Sligo team v London: Greene, Cawley,Martyn,Donovan, Harrison,McIntyre,Curran, Gilmartin,Taylor, Egan,Hughes,McManus, Breheny,Marren,F Quinn
Is Kelly on the bench or ruled out completely?
CONNACHT please >:( >:( >:(
Th'oul garrison game has left it's mark on the Shliigos alright. :-[ :-[
I expect a handy one for Sligo here to set up the only 50/50 game in Connacht ;) this year.
When I saw the team earlier I got even more worried. Surely it can't be the right team? forget about Kelly - where's Kilcullen?
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
When I saw the team earlier I got even more worried. Surely it can't be the right team? forget about Kelly - where's Kilcullen?
Kildare are at it again.
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;D ;D ;D
Connacht it is LOL. Come on the Rovers!
I'm really worried about this London game. We are not strong, on paper at least
Not a very strong team. Only marren and brehony are proven scores. Is kilcullen injured?
Backs look strong but midfield and forwards will need to be on top of their game.
I expect to win by 3 or 4 if we are lucky.
No kilcullen, coen, Davey, Ohara,Kelly.
Why is Murphy not playing. Did he not score 9 pts last week v mayo in the junior final?
Sligo will have enough for London. Suppose Walsh has to try something different, and here's where to start. Sligo's Connacht Championship was respectable last year. This was because they wanted to win the Nestor Cup. Once they were out of that and into the qualifiers (subliminally) the rest did not matter. The same happened in 2010, once they lost to Ros they were only fulfilling the fixture against Down.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 24, 2013, 07:44:25 PM
Sligo will have enough for London. Suppose Walsh has to try something different, and here's where to start. Sligo's Connacht Championship was respectable last year. This was because they wanted to win the Nestor Cup. Once they were out of that and into the qualifiers (subliminally) the rest did not matter. The same happened in 2010, once they lost to Ros they were only fulfilling the fixture against Down.
I was at the Kildare match in the Qualifiers. Kildare didn't even play well and totally destroyed Sligo. There was the six day turnaround and the totally unexpected loss to us in the 2010 final but they had two weeks to get their heads straight for Kildare and it was easily the most unforgivably poor performance Sligo turned out in recent years. They barely touched the ball in Kildare's half.
There will be wholesale switches at the start. Harrison and Cawley, Quinn and Hughes will switch. There are 4 forwards who won't trouble the scoreboard too much. Where is Kilcullen-Taylor getting yet another chance to show he is up to inter county standard.
With that team this could be a humiliation
Sligo remain inconsistent reached the Connacht final last year pushed Mayo all the way compared to the year before when they were beaten at home by Leitrim and knocked out of the championship by Wicklow.
London championship results have improved they got close v Antrim,Leitrim last year and the year before they brought Mayo to extra time plus they bet Fermanagh. League form wasn't good only one win in Div 4 (bet Waterford by 1pt)
Sligo should win on Sunday but by how much will depend on which Sligo side will turn up?
Have a gut feeling that London might sneak this. They are very hard to beat over there. One thing standing them is that they have a pretty settled squad for the first time in ages. No chopping and changing.
If that named sligo team starts im lumping on london to offset the pain of losing to them, holy fck there has to changes before throw in. Either way its sad, trying to play mind games and naming boogey team is a new low for walsh against the likes of london ffs. martyn is injured but named????kilcullen and murphy not starting seriously??? walsh is numpty and sooner hes gone the better for sligo gaa
I presume Kilcullen is playing with Ballaghdarreen this weekend in the Mayo Senior Championship.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
I presume Kilcullen is playing with Ballaghdarreen this weekend in the Mayo Senior Championship.
He's a born and bred Roscommon man who plays for a Roscommon club which are Mayo champions, he's the current Mayo club player of the year and he plays for Sligo. It's a wonder the poor lad doesn't turn up at the wrong county's training sessions.
Nice one putting the boot in, though.
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
I presume Kilcullen is playing with Ballaghdarreen this weekend in the Mayo Senior Championship.
Actually that's a good call! Club before adopted county!
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we dont know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
Kilcullen is traveling to london this weekend i am told on sunday morning, i wish him a safe and punctual journey.
Difficult situation for him in fairness, he's played all his life with Ballagh (reigning county champions) so his first loyalty would surely be to them but obviously he's joined up with Sligo this year.
I presume that's the reason for him not starting?
Is murphy a sub?
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 25, 2013, 08:50:02 AM
Difficult situation for him in fairness, he's played all his life with Ballagh (reigning county champions) so his first loyalty would surely be to them but obviously he's joined up with Sligo this year.
I presume that's the reason for him not starting?
If he's going why would it be?
Given how Walsh turfed out O'Hara after he couldn't commit to training I doubt he'd have brought in Kilkullen to be a part-time county player when it suited. I'm sure all that was hashed out before he joined up with Sligo.
Is there another reason for him not starting?? As far as I'm aware, he started most of Sligo's league games and did fairly well??
My mother-in-law got a new Jack Russell pup that yaps
at absolutely everything that moves-I suggested she
call him SYFERUS
Quote from: sans pessimism on May 25, 2013, 02:29:06 PM
My mother-in-law got a new Jack Russell pup that yaps
at absolutely everything that moves-I suggested she
call him SYFERUS
I think you'll find I'm pretty well informed on that area of the country.
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we dont know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
He will be available for both games. Walsh may wait to see him in London before considering him though.
Syferus, Kilcullen played for Mayo and now has chosen to play for Sligo. If he yearns so much to play for Ros he has a funny way of showing it.
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we dont know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
Well it seems you don't know as much as you claim about the Mayo champions
Quote from: criostlinn on May 25, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we don't know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
Well it seems you don't know as much as you claim about the Mayo champions
Walsh will not be happy, whether he says so in public is another matter. It does show up his decision to drop O'Hara because he couldn't commit early in the season to training but he tolerates James playing (if true) a club match the day before Sligo's first championship match because he's more important to his plans. Very obvious double standards is not a route to a happy camp.
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 25, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we don't know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
Well it seems you don't know as much as you claim about the Mayo champions
Walsh will not be happy, whether he says so in public is another matter. It does show up his decision to drop O'Hara because he couldn't commit early in the season to training but he tolerates James playing (if true) a club match the day before Sligo's first championship match because he's more important to his plans. Very obvious double standards is not a route to a happy camp.
Jez, the lad is in an tough situation. Both fixtures are Championship games! You make it sound like he's playing a reserve match for Ballagh! I'm sure Walsh and Kilcullen have talked from way out about this? If Walsh had a major issue then it would have been discussed and if Kilcullen was going against his wishes, he would not be heading to London the next day? As for the other wish wash, Roscommon was open to him and he did not take it and Finally Ballaghdereen is a Mayo Club, it's ours - tough.... end of!
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 25, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we don't know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
Well it seems you don't know as much as you claim about the Mayo champions
Walsh will not be happy, whether he says so in public is another matter. It does show up his decision to drop O'Hara because he couldn't commit early in the season to training but he tolerates James playing (if true) a club match the day before Sligo's first championship match because he's more important to his plans. Very obvious double standards is not a route to a happy camp.
It's true
https://twitter.com/Ballagh_GAA/status/338328869289480193/photo/1/large
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 25, 2013, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 25, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 25, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
Quote from: criostlinn on May 24, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Who's putting the boot in.
A senior intercounty championship match ranks a little higher in importance than a group stage county championship match.
Unless there's ructions we don't know about there's only one place James will be this weekend and it won't be playing club football.
Well it seems you don't know as much as you claim about the Mayo champions
Walsh will not be happy, whether he says so in public is another matter. It does show up his decision to drop O'Hara because he couldn't commit early in the season to training but he tolerates James playing (if true) a club match the day before Sligo's first championship match because he's more important to his plans. Very obvious double standards is not a route to a happy camp.
It's true
https://twitter.com/Ballagh_GAA/status/338328869289480193/photo/1/large
Yeah, saw it in the Indo just now.
It creates an interesting situation because Walsh was all about players always being there but he's allowing James to play a club game the day before a serious championship tie, this London team is on a different level to the old teams and one that could realistically shock Sligo tomorrow. If Sligo do slip up there will be a lot of questions asked about probably your best midfielder playing a club game the day before.
I've seen this happen in the league with U21 players this year playing the next day after a championship game, on top of everything else it's very dangerous. In that regard at least (I hope) Walsh isn't starting him.
Is the penny beginning to drop with the non Sligo people about our manager? O'Hara is still a better midfielder than the two lads named in that position for Sligo tomorrow. The Kilcullen situation is in my book unacceptable, especially when you made a "stand" pre-Christmas and already backtracked on it.
As for Murphy - the lad is from my club and someone I get on well with and have a lot of time for. I'm very biased. I think he has huge potential and it has really annoyed me how he has been fcuked around by Walsh and co since he joined the senior panel. I don't beleive he has finished a game he has started in that time for starters. Maybe he is not as good as I think but you certainly do not get the best out of a young scoring forward by always taking him off and then dropping him.
Anyway - I'll try to be positive even though I cannot remember a feeling like this before a Sligo championship game. Maybe if we somehow fall over the line tomorrow, things might improve. Who knows?
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2013, 11:47:53 PM
Is the penny beginning to drop with the non Sligo people about our manager? O'Hara is still a better midfielder than the two lads named in that position for Sligo tomorrow. The Kilcullen situation is in my book unacceptable, especially when you made a "stand" pre-Christmas and already backtracked on it.
As for Murphy - the lad is from my club and someone I get on well with and have a lot of time for. I'm very biased. I think he has huge potential and it has really annoyed me how he has been fcuked around by Walsh and co since he joined the senior panel. I don't beleive he has finished a game he has started in that time for starters. Maybe he is not as good as I think but you certainly do not get the best out of a young scoring forward by always taking him off and then dropping him.
Anyway - I'll try to be positive even though I cannot remember a feeling like this before a Sligo championship game. Maybe if we somehow fall over the line tomorrow, things might improve. Who knows?
As i said this would have been sign posted from way off. Walsh would have made his decision! The call would have been tougher, had it been any of the home counties that Sligo were playing. Tough i know, but them are the calls!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 26, 2013, 01:36:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2013, 11:47:53 PM
Is the penny beginning to drop with the non Sligo people about our manager? O'Hara is still a better midfielder than the two lads named in that position for Sligo tomorrow. The Kilcullen situation is in my book unacceptable, especially when you made a "stand" pre-Christmas and already backtracked on it.
As for Murphy - the lad is from my club and someone I get on well with and have a lot of time for. I'm very biased. I think he has huge potential and it has really annoyed me how he has been fcuked around by Walsh and co since he joined the senior panel. I don't beleive he has finished a game he has started in that time for starters. Maybe he is not as good as I think but you certainly do not get the best out of a young scoring forward by always taking him off and then dropping him.
Anyway - I'll try to be positive even though I cannot remember a feeling like this before a Sligo championship game. Maybe if we somehow fall over the line tomorrow, things might improve. Who knows?
As i said this would have been sign posted from way off. Walsh would have made his decision! The call would have been tougher, had it been any of the home counties that Sligo were playing. Tough i know, but them are the calls!
As in because they'd be a harder match for them? Very little between London and Leitrim these days and Sligo on current form only survived D3 thanks to Wicklow and the Umbrellas' ineptitude. Without Kelly and Kilcullen (mostly) it makes Ruslip an even dodgier setting to be heading off to.
Really blind-sighted me that Kilcullen would be allowed to play a club game the day before a championship match given the O'Hara situation. Either way it's a double standard that's only going to rub Sligo supporters up the wrong way again.
The same situation will probably arise with Kilcullen for the Connacht semi final if they get through.
What does Walsh do for that one.
This is an awkward situation. Does this happen often that a player transfers to a different county but continues to play club football in his home county
Quote from: criostlinn on May 26, 2013, 06:43:07 AM
The same situation will probably arise with Kilcullen for the Connacht semi final if they get through.
Correct - Ballaghadreen v Garrymore on the weekend of 22/23 June.
Unless they can get the club game moved to the following weekend and if forced to choose, surely Kilcullen would want to play for his club?
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 07:53:29 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on May 26, 2013, 06:43:07 AM
The same situation will probably arise with Kilcullen for the Connacht semi final if they get through.
Correct - Ballaghadreen v Garrymore on the weekend of 22/23 June.
Unless they can get the club game moved to the following weekend and if forced to choose, surely Kilcullen would want to play for his club?
I am told that kilcullen has told the team and walsh that in the event of a clash he will chose his club. I dont have an issue at all with kilcullen but if he cannot commit 100% whats the point. Yes there will be a clash if we win today for the leitrim game. Its just another black mark against walsh for me and his double standards their for all to see.
I am also told this is not a boogey team and will start as selected. Unfortunetly my heart wont allow me to bet against Sligo but if i was a neutral id be lumping on london.
Whilst Seanie states about being biased about murphy i dont see it at all that way, what you say is 100% bang on whether your from his club or not. He has been consistently one of the best club forwards in the county the last few yrs. Clearly walsh doesnt fancy him and all we need is a manager to believe in him to get the best out of him. IMO he hasnt been given that chance with county yet. He should be starting imo. I think he will get on at some stage though and so will kilcullen.
Its hard to believe but i really think we are in big trouble for today, will be listening nervous as fck from georgia. You know something i want walsh gone so bad because his fcking up the development of the seniors and losing today will fasttrack that process but i cannot bring myself to want us to lose, if he wins connacht he will have proved me wrong and tbh i would more than welcome that although where im sitting now he hasnt a hope in hell so we are just delaying the inevitable.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 09:09:55 AM
Unfortunetly my heart wont allow me to bet against Sligo but if i was a neutral id be lumping on london.
Seriously?? The odds on Sligo have shortened since earlier in the week so it looks like the money is going with Sligo. Losing would be some disaster for Sligo having run Mayo close in the Connacht final last year
Anyone know if London are going well??
London in the League Lost to Offaly (by 8 ), Carlow (by 1), Tipp (by 8 ), Limerick (by 1), Clare (by 12) and Leitrim (by 2). They beat Waterford by a point. Although they lost 6 out of 7 games, Carlow, Limerick and Leitrim were close.
London 1-3 to Sligo 1. Cleaned out at midfield so far. How long before Kilcullen is on?
were in trouble, but no surprise...
Hoots of derision here in Aughrim when latest score from yere game read out!
We are in trouble
Lon 1-5
Sligo 0-4
London just missed a penalty
Wake up time......
London 1-5 Sligo 0-4 London should be further ahead missed a penalty.
That could of been 2-5 to 0-3 just before ht, instead we save the penalty and score 1 point, 1-5 to 0-4, must be hard for mcgoldrick playing his county.. still alot of work to do..
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 03:04:20 PM
That could of been 2-5 to 0-3 just before ht, instead we save the penalty and score 1 point, 1-5 to 0-4, must be hard for mcgoldrick playing his county.. still alot of work to do..
You can update your motto under your picture at least Sligonian..!
London 1-6 Sligo 0-5 HT. Sligo have the wind in the 2nd half
If we do put this off it will be fitness alone. London absence of meaningful challenge games should work against them
The Sligo boys on here were all predicting this could get messy for them and they were very unhappy with the team. I heard Kevin McStay on the radio yesterday saying that Sligo would win comfortably and that he couldn't envisage a shock. Sligo might well turn it around in the 2nd but it just goes to show again where the real expert analysts are. ;)
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
If we do put this off it will be fitness alone. London absence of meaningful challenge games should work against them
get f quinn and taylor off and put on murphy and kilcullen,
It's hard to escape the feeling that London will be made to pay for missing that penalty that would have put them 8 up.
40m gone - 1-7 to 0-6. This is could get very interesting.
London gone 6 up now. This could be historic.
think were gone, no sign of changes, london 6 pts up
Is Walsh totally clueless. 6 points down and Egan, Quinn, McManus who cannot score still on the pitch. London rightly double teaming our only scorer
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 03:34:32 PM
think were gone, no sign of changes, london 6 pts up
Jamesy on, Gilmartin off now.
7 up now. Sligo 9/1 to win.
Changes made. London down to 14. Is it too late.
cannot believe he hasnt murphy on yet, does walsh want us to lose? i echo mano sentiments, there still on top and down to 14
London down to 14 same Sligo man that missed the penalty at least he's giving his county a chance ;)
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
cannot believe he hasnt murphy on yet, does walsh want us to lose? i echo mano sentiments, there still on top and down to 14
Didn't he just come on two minutes ago?
Come on London close it out.
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
cannot believe he hasnt murphy on yet, does walsh want us to lose? i echo mano sentiments, there still on top and down to 14
Didn't he just come on two minutes ago?
while i was typing..too late
Quote from: tommysmith on May 26, 2013, 03:42:57 PM
Come on London close it out.
London will be dreaming about making the Connacht final if they do this.
Wat the score now?
London 1-11 0-08 Sligo
London 1-11 0-09 Sligo
Back to 4. 7 minutes to go
Getting nervous:
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3 minutes to go London 1-12 Sligo 0-12
Kilcullen has done more in 20 minutes than Gilmartin and Taylor did all game.
London 1-12 Sligo 0-14 into injury time
one point in it.2 min to go
London out on their feet
Well?
Some finish Sligo almost won it hit the crossbar. Well done to London and great chance for them to reach a Connacht final now.
all over.london by a point
Shoulda listened to the Sligo lads here. Stupid enough to back Sligo -3.
London win. Walsh off back to Galway with you-2 years too late
Well done London.
what a idiot brian curran going for the goal, take the point you clown, so angry, walsh out
There won't be a Marty Morrisey cliche mangled in Ruislip tonight.
Well done London. Should have been us 2 years ago.
Well done London, second championship win in three years.
Disastrous result for Sligo.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 09:09:55 AM
Unfortunately my heart wont allow me to bet against Sligo but if i was a neutral id be lumping on London.
Bang on the money Sligonian - didn't really believe it so only put a fiver on.
Shocking even if we should have a 45 at the end.
Very poor team selection - time for change.
Jaysus. Maybe Sligo will get armagh in the qualifiers.
Time to get a new manager in for the qualifiers
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
Jaysus. Maybe Sligo will get armagh in the qualifiers.
Or Galway? they like beating Galway.
Well done London.
That's the end of Walsh (should have gone before now)! Connacht final was the requisite this year! Unlike 2010 it's was set up for Sligo to a Connacht final without peaking to early. The Back door has been a disaster for Sligo over the past number of years, and i can't see them going far in that route. All open now on that side of the draw. Leitrim and London will see a great chance for a big day out and a chance to make the last 12!
By the way - Well done London!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 26, 2013, 04:40:36 PM
That's the end of Walsh (should have gone before now)! Connacht final was the requisite this year! Unlike 2010 it's was set up for Sligo to a Connacht final without peaking to early. The Back door has been a disaster for Sligo over the past number of years, and i can't see them going far in that route. All open now on that side of the draw. Leitrim and London will see a great chance for a big day out and a chance to make the last 12!
By the way - Well done London!
What will happen in the event of a London Connacht final? If it was Ros v London you'd assume they'd choose Castlebar given the proximity to Knock and the Hyde if Mayo can beat us. They wouldn't allow the other county play a home final, right?
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 26, 2013, 04:40:36 PM
That's the end of Walsh (should have gone before now)! Connacht final was the requisite this year! Unlike 2010 it's was set up for Sligo to a Connacht final without peaking to early. The Back door has been a disaster for Sligo over the past number of years, and i can't see them going far in that route. All open now on that side of the draw. Leitrim and London will see a great chance for a big day out and a chance to make the last 12!
By the way - Well done London!
What will happen in the event of a London Connacht final? If it was Ros v London you'd assume they'd choose Castlebar given the proximity to Knock and the Hyde if Mayo can beat us. They wouldn't allow the other county play a home final, right?
Wembley.
If its Roscommon versus London I hope they play the final in London and I'll gladly give you a one way ticket syphilis!
Atrocious result for Sligo who maybe had one eye on a Connacht final. Will Walsh stay for the backdoor?
Quote from: Itchy on May 26, 2013, 04:54:07 PM
If its Roscommon versus London I hope they play the final in London and I'll gladly give you a one way ticket syphilis!
Atrocious result for Sligo who maybe had one eye on a Connacht final. Will Walsh stay for the backdoor?
You think I'd post less if I had no games to go to? :-*
Nobody will want to draw Sligo in the qualifiers. Backlash and all that!!
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
Congrats London and their Ros manager ;)
Mind you it most likely says more about Shliigo than London.
Leitrim laughing and the Connacht Treasurer disgusted.
big win there for London
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2013, 05:53:43 PM
Congrats London and their Ros manager ;)
Mind you it most likely says more about Shliigo than London.
Leitrim laughing and the Connacht Treasurer disgusted.
A mighty West Ros man at that 8)
Leitrim better not be laughing too hard because I can see them being over-turned even if they're fully focused.
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
No sign of walsh resigning judging the arrogance of his post match interview.. he went on about how we missed goal chances but never mentioned the 3/4 ones london incl a penalty, then went on about how london should of beaten leitrim and mayo, never mentioned they had 14 men for 25 mins, i feel sick, i honestly feel sick, this is so hard to take, i honestly feel like crying, supporters are so helpless, we can't force walsh to play scoring forwards, but why o why does he not see it, its just sad, i am sick of it..his interview is soul destroying, tbh, people are slagging grimley for apologing to fans, we get arrogance and absolutely no responsibility.
County board time to stand up and be counted, and sack walsh..if you care anything about sligo gaa do it please..
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
From what I heard he did well when he was brought on? You may not like bringing in a player from outside the county but he's hardly the root of ye're problems ::) ::)
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
From what I heard he did well when he was brought on? You may not like bringing in a player from outside the county but he's hardly the root of ye're problems ::) ::)
Kilcullen almost saved Sligo's blushes in 20 minutes. I think the problem is less Jamesy not being committed and more the double standard operated with regards to O'Hara. It just doesn't look good and I can't imagine how O'Hara felt hearing his county fall in Ruslip.
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
From what I heard he did well when he was brought on? You may not like bringing in a player from outside the county but he's hardly the root of ye're problems ::) ::)
Kilcullen almost saved Sligo's blushes in 20 minutes. I think the problem is less Jamesy not being committed and more the double standard operated with regards to O'Hara. It just doesn't look good and I can't imagine how O'Hara felt hearing his county fall in Ruslip.
Mano isnt having a go at kilcullen, its the double standards of walsh, ffs we are hurting tonight so try not to come on here and fck us about twisting words, walsh is the problem, ohara and kilcullen should both of been there today,thats the point...
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
From what I heard he did well when he was brought on? You may not like bringing in a player from outside the county but he's hardly the root of ye're problems ::) ::)
Kilcullen almost saved Sligo's blushes in 20 minutes. I think the problem is less Jamesy not being committed and more the double standard operated with regards to O'Hara. It just doesn't look good and I can't imagine how O'Hara felt hearing his county fall in Ruslip.
Mano isnt having a go at kilcullen, its the double standards of walsh, ffs we are hurting tonight so try not to come on here and fck us about twisting words, walsh is the problem, ohara and kilcullen should both of been there today,thats the point...
Well to be fair Mano was making it a Kilcullen over O'Hara issue. Kilcullen is clearly Sligo's best midfielder with or without O'Hara there so the decision was hardly O'Hara or Kilcullen for the last spot on the panel.
Hard luck though, Sligonian. There's really no words that can be said to make a defeat like that any better. Ye'll at least have a true home game against us in the minor championship now.
Didn't see that coming i thought Sligo would have enough to beat London. Out of interest how many of Sligos team that started v Galway last year started today? the missed penalty/sending off should have been turning points but why was the Sligo lad going for goal when all his team needed was a point?
Well done London first Connacht win since 1977 i think.
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 05:59:43 PM
Leitrim better not be laughing too hard because I can see them being over-turned even if they're fully focused.
Laythrum will win that handily in Carrick.
When them Londonites see the crowd of wild things baying at them through the wire in Páirc Seán they'll be afraid of their own shadows ;D
I suppose the best thing we can do now is let Mayowestros bate us so the Hyde and Ros town can gain from the CF.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 26, 2013, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 05:59:43 PM
Leitrim better not be laughing too hard because I can see them being over-turned even if they're fully focused.
Laythrum will win that handily in Carrick.
When them Londonites see the crowd of wild things baying at them through the wire in Páirc Seán they'll be afraid of their own shadows ;D
I suppose the best thing we can do now is let Mayowestros bate us so the Hyde and Ros town can gain from the CF.
And our minors a third successive home Connacht final 8)
I'd
fear for our lads, though, they'll probably win it just to spite the county board. Stenson's balance sheet won't look so pretty this year. :-X
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
From what I heard he did well when he was brought on? You may not like bringing in a player from outside the county but he's hardly the root of ye're problems ::) ::)
Kilcullen almost saved Sligo's blushes in 20 minutes. I think the problem is less Jamesy not being committed and more the double standard operated with regards to O'Hara. It just doesn't look good and I can't imagine how O'Hara felt hearing his county fall in Ruslip.
Mano isnt having a go at kilcullen, its the double standards of walsh, ffs we are hurting tonight so try not to come on here and fck us about twisting words, walsh is the problem, ohara and kilcullen should both of been there today,thats the point...
Well to be fair Mano was making it a Kilcullen over O'Hara issue. Kilcullen is clearly Sligo's best midfielder with or without O'Hara there so the decision was hardly O'Hara or Kilcullen for the last spot on the panel.
Hard luck though, Sligonian. There's really no words that can be said to make a defeat like that any better. Ye'll at least have a true home game against us in the minor championship now.
Syferus stop twisting my words. He is an outstanding player and if he started we probably would have won. Our midfield has been a joke for years and Kilcullen brought an aerial presence which has been lacking. Walsh made to stance last Nov that whoever didn't commit fully wouldnt be allowed on the panel. This forced Maguire, Davey and O Hara into retirement. His stance strangely changed last Feb and allowed Kilcullen to join up. If he committed fully there would be no issues. But how can. County board sanction the transfer and Walsh select him knowing that when championship came along the players preference was to play with his club
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2013, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 26, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
Will be interesting to hear Eamonn O'Hara thoughts on this tonight and how he was dropped in favour of a lad who wanted to play for his club over his adopted county.
Hope he let's loose but I doubt very much he will
From what I heard he did well when he was brought on? You may not like bringing in a player from outside the county but he's hardly the root of ye're problems ::) ::)
Kilcullen almost saved Sligo's blushes in 20 minutes. I think the problem is less Jamesy not being committed and more the double standard operated with regards to O'Hara. It just doesn't look good and I can't imagine how O'Hara felt hearing his county fall in Ruslip.
Mano isnt having a go at kilcullen, its the double standards of walsh, ffs we are hurting tonight so try not to come on here and fck us about twisting words, walsh is the problem, ohara and kilcullen should both of been there today,thats the point...
Well to be fair Mano was making it a Kilcullen over O'Hara issue. Kilcullen is clearly Sligo's best midfielder with or without O'Hara there so the decision was hardly O'Hara or Kilcullen for the last spot on the panel.
Hard luck though, Sligonian. There's really no words that can be said to make a defeat like that any better. Ye'll at least have a true home game against us in the minor championship now.
Syferus stop twisting my words. He is an outstanding player and if he started we probably would have won. Our midfield has been a joke for years and Kilcullen brought an aerial presence which has been lacking. Walsh made to stance last Nov that whoever didn't commit fully wouldnt be allowed on the panel. This forced Maguire, Davey and O Hara into retirement. His stance strangely changed last Feb and allowed Kilcullen to join up. If he committed fully there would be no issues. But how can. County board sanction the transfer and Walsh select knowing that when championship came along the players preference was to p,at with his club.
Again, I'm not twisting what you said because you clearly said Walsh had dropped O'Hara for Walsh, which may not have been your intention but it was what you wrote.
I think you've cleared up what you mean there so nothing else needs to be said, and I fully agree with you.
Should Sligo's b team not be beating London? Do the players not have to accept some responsibility for their performance? Fair enough Walsh is a tool but surely on the pitch these bots should be doing the business. I also seen Coen on twitter almost sneering at the result, not the type of player I would want on my team.
Will Walsh keep his job into the qualifiers?
I'm depressed, disgusted but my overwhelming emotion is pure anger. Like many I knew this was coming. I'm just surprised we got as close as we did but obviously London's lack of match practice was a factor in their late collapse. We picked a team with no midfield and only one forward capable of scoring regularly from play. It would have needed London to have done no homework and be poor to not beat us. It was obvious from the league they were competitive. Clearly they copped that if they stopped Marren we were in trouble and so it proved. There are guys on that team who wouldn't make the top 4 or 5 club sides in the county and a few more who aren't the best we have either. Who you are not how good you are - has it ever been any other way in Sligo?
My views on Walsh are widely known and I won't go over old ground. Whether it's next week or a few weeks later I'd say that soon we won't need to talk about him any more. That it's got to this stage isn't really his fault. He should have been removed long ago. The real problem is the county board and their complete inability to make any decision based on the only thing they should consider - "what is in the best interests of Sligo GAA". You name the motivation and it's considered before the one that should be their sole driver. I've seen it at close quarters and I'm sick of it. The whole thing is rotten and things like this happening are no accident. I'd say that to anyone's face - I'm past caring what people who don't really care about Sligo GAA think.
Night is darkest just before the dawn. Maybe this catastrophe will bring the necessary upheaval to get things moving in the right direction. We can only hope.
Just on the last two comments - (1) it was almost a B team. Half those lads at least shouldn't be on the team. (2) Coen shows his true colours - what a surprise. It was long overdue he was dropped. He got so many chances over the years in comparison to a proper scoring forward like Murphy for example or Marren when he was younger.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 26, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
Just on the last two comments - (1) it was almost a B team. Half those lads at least shouldn't be on the team. (2) Coen shows his true colours - what a surprise. It was long overdue he was dropped. He got so many chances over the years in comparison to a proper scoring forward like Murphy for example or Marren when he was younger.
Even a bad manager can make some proper decisions i suppose. Val Andrews was poor but he did drop some players that needed to go.
I'm always mindful that players are amateurs and that Twitter is an instant response without any real time to filter your thoughts. No doubt it wasn't the right thing to say but when a player, particularly a young one, says something out of line you have to take it with a grain of salt. I'm sure once he sees the reaction it engenders he'll have second thoughts.
Well done to London. Captained by a local clubman and Longford man, Seamus Hannon.
Absolutely astounding that the late opportunity wasn't tapped over the bar. Given the way the match was going, surely Sligo would have won in extra time.
lorcan Mulvey, he playing for cavan a yr or too back??
O'Hara pulled no punches there on The Sunday Game. And fair play I didn't think he would come out and say too much.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 26, 2013, 09:39:42 PM
lorcan Mulvey, he playing for cavan a yr or too back??
Last played for Cavan in 2010, sent off after coming on as a sub against Wicklow in a qualifier match in breffni
O Hare didn't hold back on the Sunday game
Yep.If not last year, the year before. Another reason have London as my 2nd team.
Eamon O'Hara pulled no punches on TSG.
At least no matter how bad we do v the Rhus we will only be the third biggest disaster in Connacht this year at worst .
O'Hara had a lot to get off his chest alright.
Is he after the caretaker manager job for the Quals???
Quote from: galwayman on May 26, 2013, 09:44:48 PM
O'Hara pulled no punches there on The Sunday Game. And fair play I didn't think he would come out and say too much.
Jaysus that was some strong stuff! Kevin Walsh won't be on his Christams Card list anyway!!!!
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 26, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
I'm depressed, disgusted but my overwhelming emotion is pure anger.
Night is darkest just before the dawn. Maybe this catastrophe will bring the necessary upheaval to get things moving in the right direction. We can only hope.
As somebody who witnessed London besting Fermanagh in the qualifiers 2 years ago I can emphasise.
There are no easy answers.
Well it's hard to blame O'Hara if what he says about Walsh demanding full commitment from everybody from 1st November is true.
James Kilcullen was subsequently brought into the squad & he obviously cannot be considered to be giving full commitment given that he didn't start the game in London because he played a club championship game the day before.
And to think there was a lot of lads crying out for Walsh to be appointed Galway manager not so long ago
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
What did he say?
good job he not from limerick or there manager be getting it to, after that showing, Cork looked strong
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
Given the temperature of things in Sligo right now probably so. He might be lacing up his boots come the qualifiers too if Walsh is turfed out.
First off, well done London. They deserve their day in the sun.
As for us, well where do I start? Kevin Walsh has got to go, not this year, now! If Grimley gets lambasted last week then Walsh should too. I heard him on radio earlier with excuses and BS. Arrogance in the extreme. Get him out before he destroys us further in the qualifiers.
Quote from: Syferus on May 26, 2013, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
Given the temperature of things in Sligo right now probably so. He might be lacing up his boots come the qualifiers too if Walsh is turfed out.
Here's hoping though for that to happen Walsh will have to walk cos the county board most likely won't have the stones to do the right thing.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
I've no problem with O'Hara doing what he did. He was given the opportunity to state his views and he took it.
If what he has to say is true, then the more publicity he gets the better for Sligo football, if you follow me. I think it's obvious that he gave the matter of Walsh's managership a lot of thought and he gave his considered opinion of Walsh and the Sligo County Board.
If anyone wants to contradict him, they are entitled to do so but, somehow, I think the possibility of this is remote.
Really, the next move is up to Sligo's GAA community and I expect most will back O'Hara.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 26, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
I've no problem with O'Hara doing what he did. He was given the opportunity to state his views and he took it.
If what he has to say is true, then the more publicity he gets the better for Sligo football, if you follow me. I think it's obvious that he gave the matter of Walsh's managership a lot of thought and he gave his considered opinion of Walsh and the Sligo County Board.
If anyone wants to contradict him, they are entitled to do so but, somehow, I think the possibility of this is remote.
Really, the next move is up to Sligo's GAA community and I expect most will back O'Hara.
The Ballagh contagion wrecking the heads of yet another county, eh Lar?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 26, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on May 26, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Fair play to Eamonn he said what had to be said
Was it necessary to say it on national tv?
I've no problem with O'Hara doing what he did. He was given the opportunity to state his views and he took it.
If what he has to say is true, then the more publicity he gets the better for Sligo football, if you follow me. I think it's obvious that he gave the matter of Walsh's managership a lot of thought and he gave his considered opinion of Walsh and the Sligo County Board.
If anyone wants to contradict him, they are entitled to do so but, somehow, I think the possibility of this is remote.
Really, the next move is up to Sligo's GAA community and I expect most will back O'Hara.
The few Sligo lads on here have been saying this for years about Walsh. Tactically naive, ridiculous training. I heard training this year including dragging wheelie bins full of sand around sand dunes in Enniscrone. What has that to do with GAA
Our star young forward had to do that "training" the day before playing in a county U-20 A championship final for our club. At least pushing cars might come in useful some day if your battery went flat!
Sligo GAA is terribly divided and the old maxim - "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has been employed with disastrous consequences. There are so few people involved in county board and sub-committees with the right motivation and possessing any ability at all. It's truly sad.
Forgot to say congrats to London. Galway could probably do with the likes of Gottsche, Geraghty and Dunleavy. Funny day for Padraig McGoldrick. Very good player, got a few nice scores but missing a pen and getting sent off. Always thought he had great potential, think he won a Junior All-Ireland with us a few years back (or did he miss final with a broken arm?).
Anyone I know in Sligo wants Walsh out.
On the issue of London having a load of players from various counties underlining the unemployment issue allover the country, I heard on MWR during the week that over half of the Donegal squad is unemployed! And there is no Donegal lads on the a london team. Match that to the fact that Donegal spent a week in a 5 star hotel a few weeks back for a training camp. How the hell are they doing it?
Quote from: ck on May 26, 2013, 11:35:37 PM
Anyone I know in Sligo wants Walsh out.
On the issue of London having a load of players from various counties underlining the unemployment issue allover the country, I heard on MWR during the week that over half of the Donegal squad is unemployed! And there is no Donegal lads on the a london team. Match that to the fact that Donegal spent a week in a 5 star hotel a few weeks back for a training camp. How the hell are they doing it?
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Sure if half of them are unemployed they could be in a training camp for as long as they want. It's not them paying for the training camp. The other lads who are working probably use that time off as some of their holiday time
Roscommon - where champions are forged 8)
QuoteIf anyone wants to contradict him, they are entitled to do so but, somehow, I think the possibility of this is remote.
Where and how can he be contradicted now though Lar.
If Walsh or anyone else were to challenge O'Haras comments then it at best would make a small article buried somewhere on a weekday in the Irish Indo .... wouldn't even be the headline focus in the Sligo Champion.
It was poor form on Des Cahills behalf to allow Kevin Walshs reputation, character, etc etc to be savage on national TV without at least challenging or putting some sort of caveat in there...... more so when it was clear that O'Haras bitterness appeared to be more about him not getting special treatment rather than what is best for the county (my interpretation of his rant).
O'Haras agenda looked clear to me (in priority order):
#1: Do whats right for Eamon .... trying and get a momentum in place that demands Walsh resign now so that Eamon can tie up the boots again for the qualifiers.
#2: Do whats right for the county.... but this priority is completely tainted by him not getting the special treatment from Walsh he expected.
All in all, poor fair by the Sunday Game to allow such a rant go out unchallenged.... and bad bad form by O'Hara in my view.
Quote from: blast05 on May 27, 2013, 12:36:21 AM
QuoteIf anyone wants to contradict him, they are entitled to do so but, somehow, I think the possibility of this is remote.
Where and how can he be contradicted now though Lar.
If Walsh or anyone else were to challenge O'Haras comments then it at best would make a small article buried somewhere on a weekday in the Irish Indo .... wouldn't even be the headline focus in the Sligo Champion.
It was poor form on Des Cahills behalf to allow Kevin Walshs reputation, character, etc etc to be savage on national TV without at least challenging or putting some sort of caveat in there...... more so when it was clear that O'Haras bitterness appeared to be more about him not getting special treatment rather than what is best for the county (my interpretation of his rant).
O'Haras agenda looked clear to me (in priority order):
#1: Do whats right for Eamon .... trying and get a momentum in place that demands Walsh resign now so that Eamon can tie up the boots again for the qualifiers.
#2: Do whats right for the county.... but this priority is completely tainted by him not getting the special treatment from Walsh he expected.
All in all, poor fair by the Sunday Game to allow such a rant go out unchallenged.... and bad bad form by O'Hara in my view.
How much about what's gone on in Sligo do you know? I think there's a big division on O'Hara's 'rant' between people who have heard these issues develop over the course of years and those who are looking at like from a distance and seeing a manager taking Sligo to two Connacht finals in three years and thinking O'Hara is ungrateful and went over-board.
Walsh was a truly great footballer and did some good things in Sligo but he over-stayed his welcome and the break-up is going to be acrimonious to say the least.
If everyone in Sligo GAA had Eamon O'hara's passion and drive, we would have a lot more than 3 connacht championships to our name.
I watched the Sunday Game and I feel Eamon was justified in everything he said, we all knew the starting 15 was not the best players available and unfortunately Gilmartin and Taylor as a midfield duo are not good enough for inter - county standard.
I thank Kevin for his time with Sligo, but god almighty, he should have known that starting with two proven forwards and a weak midfield was a very scary proposition.
I don't know much about the county board shite Eamon was referring to but until we have a structure in place where only the best players are playing then we are fcuked, especially given the limited population we have to begin with.
Maybe this is the kick in the hole we needed to INSIST on changes in the management and the county board - thank you Eamon for your candor and honesty, you said what needed to be said now lets make the changes that are obvious and restore some pride to sligo football.
As a former county player, I am very disappointed with what happened today, it's a new low for us and it's time to make the changes that are obvious and bring back the pride and passion that all Sligo GAA fans deserve.
Didnt get much sleep last night, i probably could not survive many more days like yday, but just watched ohara, and im so proud, the truth at last in public, lets hope this is the catalyst for change at cb and management level that changes our future....sligeach abu..
Am I right in saying that Leitrim could possibly get to a provincial final without actually beating an Irish county? Fair play to London yesterday, I, for one, am not surprised and is reward for alot of hard work that is going on down there.
No sign of Iruntherev ? He'll be a happy man today after years of service to the entire London GAA scene !
The last time London won in the championship Elvis was alive and well !
Quote from: Bensars on May 27, 2013, 09:47:09 AM
No sign of Iruntherev ? He'll be a happy man today
These two points are probably not unconnected.
QuoteThe last time London won in the championship Elvis was alive and well !
...........and living in Enniskillen ;)
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: blast05 on May 27, 2013, 12:36:21 AM
QuoteIf anyone wants to contradict him, they are entitled to do so but, somehow, I think the possibility of this is remote.
Where and how can he be contradicted now though Lar.
If Walsh or anyone else were to challenge O'Haras comments then it at best would make a small article buried somewhere on a weekday in the Irish Indo .... wouldn't even be the headline focus in the Sligo Champion.
It was poor form on Des Cahills behalf to allow Kevin Walshs reputation, character, etc etc to be savage on national TV without at least challenging or putting some sort of caveat in there...... more so when it was clear that O'Haras bitterness appeared to be more about him not getting special treatment rather than what is best for the county (my interpretation of his rant).
O'Haras agenda looked clear to me (in priority order):
#1: Do whats right for Eamon .... trying and get a momentum in place that demands Walsh resign now so that Eamon can tie up the boots again for the qualifiers.
#2: Do whats right for the county.... but this priority is completely tainted by him not getting the special treatment from Walsh he expected.
All in all, poor fair by the Sunday Game to allow such a rant go out unchallenged.... and bad bad form by O'Hara in my view.
How much about what's gone on in Sligo do you know? I think there's a big division on O'Hara's 'rant' between people who have heard these issues develop over the course of years and those who are looking at like from a distance and seeing a manager taking Sligo to two Connacht finals in three years and thinking O'Hara is ungrateful and went over-board.
Walsh was a truly great footballer and did some good things in Sligo but he over-stayed his welcome and the break-up is going to be acrimonious to say the least.
I know very little about it Syferus. Whether or not O'Haras comments were correct (and i'm sure there are some in Sligo that would disagree with him - even some involved in the setup) ...... i just feel it was completely unbalanced and unfair on behalf of the Sunday Game to allow a complete character and reputation assassination to take place without giving the person on the receiving end the right of reply .... or at least having someone give a counter argument (as per Spillane and O'Rourke countering Brollys point last week about Galway not being a serious football county)
Bad form on O'Hara behalf (largely driven i feel by him not getting the special treatment he wanted i feel.... the rights and wrongs of what Walsh was looking for are immaterial)
Bad form on Sunday Games behalf
O Hara mentioned on Sunday Game that Walsh asked for a commitment for collective training from everybody from Nov. 1st last.
I know I ll be corrected if I m wrong, but is that not against current gaa ban on collective training during the close season?
Quote from: moysider on May 27, 2013, 11:58:53 AM
O Hara mentioned on Sunday Game that Walsh asked for a commitment for collective training from everybody from Nov. 1st last.
I know I ll be corrected if I m wrong, but is that not against current gaa ban on collective training during the close season?
That was amended last year. Teams are now back training according to when they were knocked out the previous year. Teams that progressed further were back training later than teams knocked out in early stages of the championship
O'Hara may have been correct in his sentiments but the way he delivered it was poor imo. He should have left his personal angle out of it as it basically came across as "Sligo lost because Walsh wouldn't play me".
Two of the main things he focussed on are completely unrelated to Sligo losing (but are obviously personal gripes):
- wanting players to start training on 1st Nov
- bringing a Mayoman into the squad in February
Instead, he should have focussed on what the real problems are:
- poor quality of training
- poor team selection
- ructions in the county board
O'Hara obviously had a personal axe to grind. Considering he is now 37 years of age I thought he would have been considered past it at county level at this stage anyway. Calling for a manager to resign is strong stuff and should'nt be done on National television becuase of your own personal grievances.
So doing the right thing or saying the right thing shouldn't be done in case it upsets people?
No wonder abuse and the like was covered up in this country for so long with attitudes like that about.
O'Hara was asked adirect question - "Why were you not there?" and he answered it. Sure it as probably set up but Cahill is the presenter. O'Hara was 100% right and anyone who doesn't realise that doesn't know what they're talking about. He may have his own agenda as we all do to a greater or lesser extent. I'm sure Walsh will be given a forum to defend himself should he so wish to do so so spare the crocodile tears.
Quote from: Mano on May 27, 2013, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 27, 2013, 11:58:53 AM
O Hara mentioned on Sunday Game that Walsh asked for a commitment for collective training from everybody from Nov. 1st last.
I know I ll be corrected if I m wrong, but is that not against current gaa ban on collective training during the close season?
That was amended last year. Teams are now back training according to when they were knocked out the previous year. Teams that progressed further were back training later than teams knocked out in early stages of the championship
Cheers for clarifying that.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 27, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
So doing the right thing or saying the right thing shouldn't be done in case it upsets people?
No wonder abuse and the like was covered up in this country for so long with attitudes like that about.
O'Hara was asked adirect question - "Why were you not there?" and he answered it. Sure it as probably set up but Cahill is the presenter. O'Hara was 100% right and anyone who doesn't realise that doesn't know what they're talking about. He may have his own agenda as we all do to a greater or lesser extent. I'm sure Walsh will be given a forum to defend himself should he so wish to do so so spare the crocodile tears.
Ridiculous comparision.
I'm sure Walsh will defend himself but I doubt if he will have the forum of national TV. Would O'Hara really have made that much of a difference to Sligo at 37 years af age?
Quote from: yellowcard on May 27, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 27, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
So doing the right thing or saying the right thing shouldn't be done in case it upsets people?
No wonder abuse and the like was covered up in this country for so long with attitudes like that about.
O'Hara was asked adirect question - "Why were you not there?" and he answered it. Sure it as probably set up but Cahill is the presenter. O'Hara was 100% right and anyone who doesn't realise that doesn't know what they're talking about. He may have his own agenda as we all do to a greater or lesser extent. I'm sure Walsh will be given a forum to defend himself should he so wish to do so so spare the crocodile tears.
Ridiculous comparision.
I'm sure Walsh will defend himself but I doubt if he will have the forum of national TV. Would O'Hara really have made that much of a difference to Sligo at 37 years af age?
Yes but that's only part of the point.
Really don't know how I feel about Osin getting involved in Sligo's business, he was probably asked a question but I think a lot of people criticising O'Hara don't have much of a clue of what the situation is like in the surf.
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Really don't know how I feel about Osin getting involved in Sligo's business, he was probably asked a question but I think a lot of people criticising O'Hara don't have much of a clue of what the situation is like in the surf.
Will it be better for Sligo to have all their dirty laundry washed on The Sunday Game?
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Really don't know how I feel about Osin getting involved in Sligo's business, he was probably asked a question but I think a lot of people criticising O'Hara don't have much of a clue of what the situation is like in the surf.
Bit like yourself so.
Quote from: muppet on May 27, 2013, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Really don't know how I feel about Osin getting involved in Sligo's business, he was probably asked a question but I think a lot of people criticising O'Hara don't have much of a clue of what the situation is like in the surf.
Will it be better for Sligo to have all their dirty laundry washed on The Sunday Game?
I think the general sentiment is 'thank God, finally' in Sligo. These rumblings have been humming along for years now and have been effecting preparations by the county team by all accounts. Certainly not the ideal circumstances to say those things but it was probably the only way to push it into wider focus and get some real traction on the issues facing the GAA in Sligo. You simply wouldn't have anything close to that impact doing it in any other situation.
It's obviously not just Walsh but I think he made the wrong decision to continue. From what O'Hara said the panellists heard rumblings about Walsh sniffing out our manager's job (and we heard those rumours ourselves so he's not pulling it from thin air) and that was probably the moment of no return. If your manager isn't even committed to the team how could the team ever be prepared properly, mentally or otherwise?
I think Walsh is going to end up with a black eye beyond what he deserves out of all this but O'Hara did his county a service last night. even if his own personal feelings contributed to saying what he said.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 27, 2013, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Really don't know how I feel about Osin getting involved in Sligo's business, he was probably asked a question but I think a lot of people criticising O'Hara don't have much of a clue of what the situation is like in the surf.
Bit like yourself so.
Nice job being glib but you'd do better to put your ear to the ground before commenting.
;D
Quote from: ballinaman on May 27, 2013, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Really don't know how I feel about Osin getting involved in Sligo's business, he was probably asked a question but I think a lot of people criticising O'Hara don't have much of a clue of what the situation is like in the surf.
Bit like yourself so.
;D
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2013, 12:17:26 PM
O'Hara may have been correct in his sentiments but the way he delivered it was poor imo. He should have left his personal angle out of it as it basically came across as "Sligo lost because Walsh wouldn't play me".
Two of the main things he focussed on are completely unrelated to Sligo losing (but are obviously personal gripes):
- wanting players to start training on 1st Nov
- bringing a Mayoman into the squad in February
Instead, he should have focussed on what the real problems are:
- poor quality of training
- poor team selection
- ructions in the county board
That's very well put but I'd emphasise that O'Hara was responding to a direct question put to him by Cahill. He was asked why he wasn't there and he certainly answered the question in an unambiguous way.
I was very surprised that nobody else present didn't pass any comment or put some questions to him so he was basically given a free run.
However, if that's a fault, it lies with Cahill and the other panellists.
I'd agree completely that the issues he harped on were not directly related to the embarrassing loss yesterday but, again, he was answering a direct question. He certainly left no one in any doubt over his personal feelings on the current state of Sligo football or the ability of the manager.
Now I know I can be a bit pernickety at times but he gave his reasons for not being involved yesterday, as he was invited to do, and it's up to others to accept or deny the validity of his gripes.
Again, I agree that those were personal issues and the ones most likely to grab headlines whereas the real problems lie with the county board and Walsh's managerial style.
Strictly speaking, Walsh isn't obliged to answer to anyone other than to the county board that appointed him in the first place.
Seems to me that getting rid of Walsh won't solve Sligo's problems; I think his position is untenable but his resignation/dismissal alone won't change Sligo's football fortunes one little bit.
seeing as everyoones ears are so close to the the Ground , What ructions are taking place in the Sligo County boards and how is this affecting the Teams performance.
Blib word apart, To me all this sounds like a complete lack if respect for london and their efforts. no one give a shit about county board when things are going well or sligo are doing their normal losig to Mayo Galway or Roscommon but dare to lose to London and its 'bring me a head , any head'
Mayo were gulity of this after losing to Sligo and more so Longfors a few years back
At the end of day some of the outsiders have not got a clue. OHara said what his county needed to said, he has done his county another favour. The county board are a disaster and always have been, those in power doing anything to stay there, those not, doing anything to sabotage it while someone else runs the ship and in the middle good sligo gaa folk walkaway.
Walsh has been a disaster since 2010, i am proud of Ohara even more after yday, he did Sligo GAA a huge service. Most outside of sligo are criticiing Ohara whereas most of Sligo is backing OHara. who knows more, whose in the best position to comment.?There is alot of stuff that goes on in Sligo GAA that people dont know about, in fact there are very few people in Sligo that actually care about Sligo GAA, O Hara said what needed to be said, the county board infighting has to stop and urge anyone involved that is not in it for the right reasons to please leave and let the few that care get on, that means massive changes as they're are people sabotaging the efforts of good people in an effort to gain and keep power, this is why we only won 3 connacht titles in 125 yrs, o hara told the truth last night in public and fair play to him, i back him 100%. This has to be the catalyst for change imo. Lets hope this is our darkest night and we can rise again to a new dawn. sligeach abu
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 27, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2013, 12:17:26 PM
O'Hara may have been correct in his sentiments but the way he delivered it was poor imo. He should have left his personal angle out of it as it basically came across as "Sligo lost because Walsh wouldn't play me".
Two of the main things he focussed on are completely unrelated to Sligo losing (but are obviously personal gripes):
- wanting players to start training on 1st Nov
- bringing a Mayoman into the squad in February
Instead, he should have focussed on what the real problems are:
- poor quality of training
- poor team selection
- ructions in the county board
That's very well put but I'd emphasise that O'Hara was responding to a direct question put to him by Cahill. He was asked why he wasn't there and he certainly answered the question in an unambiguous way.
I was very surprised that nobody else present didn't pass any comment or put some questions to him so he was basically given a free run.
However, if that's a fault, it lies with Cahill and the other panellists.
I'd agree completely that the issues he harped on were not directly related to the embarrassing loss yesterday but, again, he was answering a direct question. He certainly left no one in any doubt over his personal feelings on the current state of Sligo football or the ability of the manager.
Now I know I can be a bit pernickety at times but he gave his reasons for not being involved yesterday, as he was invited to do, and it's up to others to accept or deny the validity of his gripes.
Again, I agree that those were personal issues and the ones most likely to grab headlines whereas the real problems lie with the county board and Walsh's managerial style.
Strictly speaking, Walsh isn't obliged to answer to anyone other than to the county board that appointed him in the first place.
Seems to me that getting rid of Walsh won't solve Sligo's problems; I think his position is untenable but his resignation/dismissal alone won't change Sligo's football fortunes one little bit.
I agree we need people who are sabotaging the cb to step away and those who in for power, title, ego, junkets etc... to walkaway aswell. Of course its not all walsh but his tactics and team selection has sabotaged any chances of the seniors winning connacht. But yes the bigger picture is the mess the cb are in and thats the changes that will make all the difference. One step at a time though. We dont a situation where the guys who are sabotaging either to get back in and that could easily happen given the numpties at cb level.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 27, 2013, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 27, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2013, 12:17:26 PM
O'Hara may have been correct in his sentiments but the way he delivered it was poor imo. He should have left his personal angle out of it as it basically came across as "Sligo lost because Walsh wouldn't play me".
Two of the main things he focussed on are completely unrelated to Sligo losing (but are obviously personal gripes):
- wanting players to start training on 1st Nov
- bringing a Mayoman into the squad in February
Instead, he should have focussed on what the real problems are:
- poor quality of training
- poor team selection
- ructions in the county board
That’s very well put but I’d emphasise that O’Hara was responding to a direct question put to him by Cahill. He was asked why he wasn’t there and he certainly answered the question in an unambiguous way.
I was very surprised that nobody else present didn’t pass any comment or put some questions to him so he was basically given a free run.
However, if that’s a fault, it lies with Cahill and the other panellists.
I’d agree completely that the issues he harped on were not directly related to the embarrassing loss yesterday but, again, he was answering a direct question. He certainly left no one in any doubt over his personal feelings on the current state of Sligo football or the ability of the manager.
Now I know I can be a bit pernickety at times but he gave his reasons for not being involved yesterday, as he was invited to do, and it’s up to others to accept or deny the validity of his gripes.
Again, I agree that those were personal issues and the ones most likely to grab headlines whereas the real problems lie with the county board and Walsh’s managerial style.
Strictly speaking, Walsh isn’t obliged to answer to anyone other than to the county board that appointed him in the first place.
Seems to me that getting rid of Walsh won’t solve Sligo’s problems; I think his position is untenable but his resignation/dismissal alone won’t change Sligo’s football fortunes one little bit.
I agree we need people who are sabotaging the cb to step away and those who in for power, title, ego, junkets etc... to walkaway aswell. Of course its not all walsh but his tactics and team selection has sabotaged any chances of the seniors winning connacht. But yes the bigger picture is the mess the cb are in and thats the changes that will make all the difference. One step at a time though. We dont a situation where the guys who are sabotaging either to get back in and that could easily happen given the numpties at cb level.
apart from infight can you list what the county board are doing wrong.
rember London have pushed galway and may close in recnt years surely it was not big of a suprize that one day they would win a match against a leitrim roscommon or a sligo
Quote from: rosnarun on May 27, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 27, 2013, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 27, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 27, 2013, 12:17:26 PM
O'Hara may have been correct in his sentiments but the way he delivered it was poor imo. He should have left his personal angle out of it as it basically came across as "Sligo lost because Walsh wouldn't play me".
Two of the main things he focussed on are completely unrelated to Sligo losing (but are obviously personal gripes):
- wanting players to start training on 1st Nov
- bringing a Mayoman into the squad in February
Instead, he should have focussed on what the real problems are:
- poor quality of training
- poor team selection
- ructions in the county board
That's very well put but I'd emphasise that O'Hara was responding to a direct question put to him by Cahill. He was asked why he wasn't there and he certainly answered the question in an unambiguous way.
I was very surprised that nobody else present didn't pass any comment or put some questions to him so he was basically given a free run.
However, if that's a fault, it lies with Cahill and the other panellists.
I'd agree completely that the issues he harped on were not directly related to the embarrassing loss yesterday but, again, he was answering a direct question. He certainly left no one in any doubt over his personal feelings on the current state of Sligo football or the ability of the manager.
Now I know I can be a bit pernickety at times but he gave his reasons for not being involved yesterday, as he was invited to do, and it's up to others to accept or deny the validity of his gripes.
Again, I agree that those were personal issues and the ones most likely to grab headlines whereas the real problems lie with the county board and Walsh's managerial style.
Strictly speaking, Walsh isn't obliged to answer to anyone other than to the county board that appointed him in the first place.
Seems to me that getting rid of Walsh won't solve Sligo's problems; I think his position is untenable but his resignation/dismissal alone won't change Sligo's football fortunes one little bit.
I agree we need people who are sabotaging the cb to step away and those who in for power, title, ego, junkets etc... to walkaway aswell. Of course its not all walsh but his tactics and team selection has sabotaged any chances of the seniors winning connacht. But yes the bigger picture is the mess the cb are in and thats the changes that will make all the difference. One step at a time though. We dont a situation where the guys who are sabotaging either to get back in and that could easily happen given the numpties at cb level.
apart from infight can you list what the county board are doing wrong.
rember London have pushed galway and may close in recnt years surely it was not big of a suprize that one day they would win a match against a leitrim roscommon or a sligo
That's a bit rich coming from a county that drew with them only two years ago and needed extra-time to get the job done.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 27, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
apart from infight can you list what the county board are doing wrong.
rember London have pushed galway and may close in recnt years surely it was not big of a suprize that one day they would win a match against a leitrim roscommon or a sligo
You are mixing New York and London up http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2009/0524/249573-galway_london/
Galway play London next year they have been warned with yesterdays result,the narrow Leitrim win last year and rotten robbery in Ruislip two years ago.
Financial disaster for the Connacht Council looming if London reach the Connacht Final. Imaging a Mayo v London or a Roscommon v London Connacht Final? There's be about 3,000 there. This at €35 a head, in case anyone has romantic notions of a mahoosive crowd arriving from five corners of Connacht to witness the novelty.
Having London join in the Connacht championship is all very well. But they're not really supposed to win the darn match, are they?
Guess they'll have to have a word in the referee's ear pre-match. "Don't have London win." "You do want to referee another match, don't you?"
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 07:33:39 PM
Financial disaster for the Connacht Council looming if London reach the Connacht Final. Imaging a Mayo v London or a Roscommon v London Connacht Final? There's be about 3,000 there. This at €35 a head, in case anyone has romantic notions of a mahoosive crowd arriving from five corners of Connacht to witness the novelty.
Having London join in the Connacht championship is all very well. But they're not really supposed to win the darn match, are they?
Guess they'll have to have a word in the referee's ear pre-match. "Don't have London win." "You do want to referee another match, don't you?"
There will be at least three thousand Rossies there if we make the minor final alone.
They'll take a big hit no doubt but you went off the deep end there. Firstly tickets are €25 a head for the stand, €20 for the terrace and not €35 which you seem to have pulled out of the sky from who knows where.
And who really gives a flying f**k about the costings but the bean counters? That's just sport. Prenty will be crying into his money hat but that would probably bring a smile to the rest of Connacht.
I'd love to see London in a Connacht final.
What I find interesting is that Sligo people today are relieved that the sh*ite in the county has been exposed and we are more proud of O'Hara than ever.
Yet people from other counties are on here giving off about O'Hara. Come off your moral high grounds and appreciate that this episode of straight talking will help Sligo GAA. Too many commentators sit on the fence and speak out of both sides of their mouths. Brolly and O'Hara give voices to the unheard and for that I welcome the platform the Sunday game has given them. Long may it continue.
Success has many parents failure is an orphan (or County Team manager or County Board). Remind me again how many years ago is it that Mayo were nearly handed their arses over in Ruislip. Perhaps there is a serious lack of respect for the victors here. Put it this way, if Cavan had been heading over to Ruislip in the first round of anything I wouldn't be getting too far ahead of myself.
Quote from: anglocelt39 on May 27, 2013, 09:48:13 PM
Success has many parents failure is an orphan (or County Team manager or County Board). Remind me again how many years ago is it that Mayo were nearly handed their arses over in Ruislip. Perhaps there is a serious lack of respect for the victors here. Put it this way, if Cavan had been heading over to Ruislip in the first round of anything I wouldn't be getting too far ahead of myself.
London is just the lightning rod for something that extends much deeper. There's not many London supporters here so there's plenty of reason for the reaction to focus on Sligo even before you get to what O'Hara said.
Perhaps you should give a "flying f**k" as you put it. A substantial loss of revenue is a serious concern to everyone.
Clubs may have applied to the CC for capital grants, grants which might not be possible.
Coaching activities currently being paid for by the CC may have to be curtailed. Or scrapped. Jobs may consequently be lost.
The Association does not on fresh air run.
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
There will be at least three thousand Rossies there if we make the minor final alone.
They'll take a big hit no doubt but you went off the deep end there. Firstly tickets are €25 a head for the stand, €20 for the terrace and not €35 which you seem to have pulled out of the sky from who knows where.
And who really gives a flying f**k about the costings but the bean counters? That's just sport. Prenty will be crying into his money hat but that would probably bring a smile to the rest of Connacht.
I'd love to see London in a Connacht final.
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 07:33:39 PM
Financial disaster for the Connacht Council looming if London reach the Connacht Final. Guess they'll have to have a word in the referee's ear pre-match. "Don't have London win." "You do want to referee another match, don't you?"
Like 1998 all over again >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
Perhaps you should give a "flying f**k" as you put it. A substantial loss of revenue is a serious concern to everyone.
Jobs may consequently be lost.
Cathal Cregg's among them Syf ya clown. >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2013, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
Perhaps you should give a "flying f**k" as you put it. A substantial loss of revenue is a serious concern to everyone.
Jobs may consequently be lost.
Cathal Cregg's among them Syf ya clown. >:(
I doubt Cregger's job depends on London not making a Connacht final, you court jester's behind.
You can't act like costings are something you can build your house on in sport because the very essence is everyone has a chance. Connacht GAA take a hit this year, whatever. If London derseve to be there they deserve to be there, simple.
It'd be one of the GAA's stories of the decade and I would love to see it happen. Exiles reaching a provincial final. Tell me another sport, another country where this can happen at the top level. It goes to the heart of our national identity and it's worth a hell of a lot more than a few thousand ticket sales in one year out of 129 Connacht finals.
On the sg question...it look like a pre-prepared answer. The reason i d proffer for the non-intrusion was the panel knew what was coming. Eamonn was obviously unhappy with his treatment and having given 20 years to the cause he deserved accommodating. Think Paul mc grath. His combative approach would have been well suited to ruislip.
Lets call the spade a digging implement though..blaming management is the easy route. If we re honest about our club football @ the min, the raw material for senior provincial honours is lacking at present. Curry were excellent last year but Sean davey and Kenny Morley were the main men. Once the other curry star was shackled last Sunday where had we to go. No David Kelly meant we were relying on fit and commited lads to do what they can't...score. That being said we almost replicated what mayo and Leitrim managed...comebacks in the last 10. Dare I say that had it been mayo or galway the 45 at the death wud have been given?that's straying however.
Definitely the county board childishness needs sorting, but talk about walking into a room full of scorpions and snakes. The revenue wud have fun finding the books never mind going thru them.
As expected, the Sligo County Board have given their backing to Kevin Walsh and also rejected claims that there was acrimony of any sort between members of the board.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sligo-throw-weight-behind-boss-walsh-after-ohara-broadside-29300574.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sligo-throw-weight-behind-boss-walsh-after-ohara-broadside-29300574.html)
COLM KEYS – 28 MAY 2013
Sligo County Board have given their full backing to manager Kevin Walsh in the wake of former All Star Eamonn O'Hara's call for him to step down.
O'Hara used the platform of 'The Sunday Game' to criticise Walsh's tactical nous and suggested that he had "lost" the players.
But Sligo secretary Gerard O'Connor insisted that there was no question of Walsh (above) being pushed out of the job or leaving before the end of the year on the back of Sunday's defeat to London. The indications are, however, that Walsh will end his time with Sligo when he completes his fifth season in charge.
OPINIONS
O'Connor said O'Hara was entitled to his opinions but added it was "obvious there is a personality clash or spleen between him and the manager, but it's nothing to do with Sligo County Board".
Walsh was not available to comment on O'Hara's outburst on Sunday night, which concluded with a call to step down.
O'Hara had wanted to play on for a 19th championship season but claims Walsh produced a comeback deadline last November that he couldn't meet.
"It is very easy to be critical at times like this, but what's forgotten is that London have been threatening to pull off a result like this for quite some time," O'Connor added.
"It is important to remember that Kevin Walsh brought us up two divisions in the league in his first two years as well as reaching two Connacht finals.
"Eamonn is a commentator and he is paid for his comments, but that is just his opinion."
O'Connor also refuted the suggestion that Sligo GAA was split at administrative level .
"There are no major splits in the board. People didn't take up posts for their own reasons.
"And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."
Sligo throw weight behind boss Walsh after O'Hara broadside
COLM KEYS – 28 MAY 2013
Sligo County Board have given their full backing to manager Kevin Walsh in the wake of former All Star Eamonn O'Hara's call for him to step down.
O'Hara used the platform of 'The Sunday Game' to criticise Walsh's tactical nous and suggested that he had "lost" the players.
But Sligo secretary Gerard O'Connor insisted that there was no question of Walsh (above) being pushed out of the job or leaving before the end of the year on the back of Sunday's defeat to London. The indications are, however, that Walsh will end his time with Sligo when he completes his fifth season in charge.
OPINIONS
O'Connor said O'Hara was entitled to his opinions but added it was "obvious there is a personality clash or spleen between him and the manager, but it's nothing to do with Sligo County Board".
Walsh was not available to comment on O'Hara's outburst on Sunday night, which concluded with a call to step down.
O'Hara had wanted to play on for a 19th championship season but claims Walsh produced a comeback deadline last November that he couldn't meet.
"It is very easy to be critical at times like this, but what's forgotten is that London have been threatening to pull off a result like this for quite some time," O'Connor added.
"It is important to remember that Kevin Walsh brought us up two divisions in the league in his first two years as well as reaching two Connacht finals.
"Eamonn is a commentator and he is paid for his comments, but that is just his opinion."
O'Connor also refuted the suggestion that Sligo GAA was split at administrative level .
"There are no major splits in the board. People didn't take up posts for their own reasons.
"And as for the failure to finish the centre of excellence that Eamonn referred to, we will not ask him back to finish the job until we have finance in place to pay the contractor."
Good man lar...looks like they backed him twice!
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2013, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
Perhaps you should give a "flying f**k" as you put it. A substantial loss of revenue is a serious concern to everyone.
Jobs may consequently be lost.
Cathal Cregg's among them Syf ya clown. >:(
I doubt Cregger's job depends on London not making a Connacht final, you court jester's behind.
You can't act like costings are something you can build your house on in sport because the very essence is everyone has a chance. Connacht GAA take a hit this year, whatever. If London derseve to be there they deserve to be there, simple.
It'd be one of the GAA's stories of the decade and I would love to see it happen. Exiles reaching a provincial final. Tell me another sport, another country where this can happen at the top level. It goes to the heart of our national identity and it's worth a hell of a lot more than a few thousand ticket sales in one year out of 129 Connacht finals.
First of all, stand tickets were €30 last year, or so it seems - http://www.swinfordgaa.ie/news/ticket-details-connacht-gaa-football-championship-finals-2012/ (http://www.swinfordgaa.ie/news/ticket-details-connacht-gaa-football-championship-finals-2012/)
Secondly, even allowing for an attractive pairing in the minor final, you'd still do well to get more than 5,000 or 6,000 people, which would be a loss of revenue of the order of half a million euro or so. There's no way that the Connacht Council would have budgeted for this contingency since this has never happened before and it would have been considered a hugely unlikely outcome before the draw was made. That will of course have a knock on effect, it would be foolish to pretend that it wouldn't.
Can't see London beating Leitrim in Carrick to be fair. Was exepcting us to be beaten by 8-10 if we got over London.
Promotion of football will greatly outweigh money complaints. It's all about money with people, money, money, money.
I would love to see London in the final, be over the moon!
Quote from: Lone Shark on May 28, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2013, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
Perhaps you should give a "flying f**k" as you put it. A substantial loss of revenue is a serious concern to everyone.
Jobs may consequently be lost.
Cathal Cregg's among them Syf ya clown. >:(
I doubt Cregger's job depends on London not making a Connacht final, you court jester's behind.
You can't act like costings are something you can build your house on in sport because the very essence is everyone has a chance. Connacht GAA take a hit this year, whatever. If London derseve to be there they deserve to be there, simple.
It'd be one of the GAA's stories of the decade and I would love to see it happen. Exiles reaching a provincial final. Tell me another sport, another country where this can happen at the top level. It goes to the heart of our national identity and it's worth a hell of a lot more than a few thousand ticket sales in one year out of 129 Connacht finals.
First of all, stand tickets were €30 last year, or so it seems - http://www.swinfordgaa.ie/news/ticket-details-connacht-gaa-football-championship-finals-2012/ (http://www.swinfordgaa.ie/news/ticket-details-connacht-gaa-football-championship-finals-2012/)
Secondly, even allowing for an attractive pairing in the minor final, you'd still do well to get more than 5,000 or 6,000 people, which would be a loss of revenue of the order of half a million euro or so. There's no way that the Connacht Council would have budgeted for this contingency since this has never happened before and it would have been considered a hugely unlikely outcome before the draw was made. That will of course have a knock on effect, it would be foolish to pretend that it wouldn't.
Stand tickets for the QF in Salthill last week were €25.
Quote from: theticklemister on May 28, 2013, 11:28:54 AM
Promotion of football will greatly outweigh money complaints. It's all about money with people, money, money, money.
I would love to see London in the final, be over the moon!
In particular it is all about money to one particular Irish Newspaper and its GAA journos.
Quote from: Lone Shark on May 28, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2013, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 27, 2013, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on May 27, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
Perhaps you should give a "flying f**k" as you put it. A substantial loss of revenue is a serious concern to everyone.
Jobs may consequently be lost.
Cathal Cregg's among them Syf ya clown. >:(
I doubt Cregger's job depends on London not making a Connacht final, you court jester's behind.
You can't act like costings are something you can build your house on in sport because the very essence is everyone has a chance. Connacht GAA take a hit this year, whatever. If London derseve to be there they deserve to be there, simple.
It'd be one of the GAA's stories of the decade and I would love to see it happen. Exiles reaching a provincial final. Tell me another sport, another country where this can happen at the top level. It goes to the heart of our national identity and it's worth a hell of a lot more than a few thousand ticket sales in one year out of 129 Connacht finals.
First of all, stand tickets were €30 last year, or so it seems - http://www.swinfordgaa.ie/news/ticket-details-connacht-gaa-football-championship-finals-2012/ (http://www.swinfordgaa.ie/news/ticket-details-connacht-gaa-football-championship-finals-2012/)
Secondly, even allowing for an attractive pairing in the minor final, you'd still do well to get more than 5,000 or 6,000 people, which would be a loss of revenue of the order of half a million euro or so. There's no way that the Connacht Council would have budgeted for this contingency since this has never happened before and it would have been considered a hugely unlikely outcome before the draw was made. That will of course have a knock on effect, it would be foolish to pretend that it wouldn't.
Iirc, the sideline seating section in the Hyde is €25 for Connacht finals. I had thought the new stand last year was €30 but neither Sligo GAA or Mayo GAA's pricing announcements made mention of that when I looked back on them before I responded. Probably CBs confusing sideline seating with stand seating. The point remains the person I responded to was entirely wrong in pricing even at the very, very top end.
In the fullness of the sport, of Connacht even, it's a drop in the ocean and to focus on attendences if London make a Connacht final is about as cynical and dead-hearted an approach I'll have ever seen. They're in the Connacht championship and rightly so. This is sport, sure bets lose and that's the essence of why anyone posts here or goes to games. We can't just assume a certain final or pairing is a formality and then complain when someone tears up shoddy logic. Blame Sligo (and maybe Leitrim) for losing.
Prices go up with each Round in Connacht.
Last year for the Final the Terrace was €20, open seats €30 and Stand €35.
As for money - syfín who is 13 and lives at home with his parents doesn't have to worry about it .
however in the real world it costs money to run clubs, it costs money to run County boards, it costs money to run Provincial Councils, to maintain pitches/stadia, to kit out teams and the last time I looked McDonalds wanted money from the Ros minors when they had their post match banquet.
I'm sure other Counties have to pay for their top dollar hotel meals just like we have to pay the Chippy for feeding our lads :-[
Quote from: Rossfan on May 28, 2013, 02:41:48 PM
Prices go up with each Round in Connacht.
Last year for the Final the Terrace was €20, open seats €30 and Stand €35.
As for money - syfín who is 13 and lives at home with his parents doesn't have to worry about it .
however in the real world it costs money to run clubs, it costs money to run County boards, it costs money to run Provincial Councils, to maintain pitches/stadia, to kit out teams and the last time I looked McDonalds wanted money from the Ros minors when they had their post match banquet.
I'm sure other Counties have to pay for their top dollar hotel meals just like we have to pay the Chippy for feeding our lads :-[
They weren't €35 and if you'd even attempted to read the thread you'd have seen that.
(http://cdn1.independent.ie/incoming/article29302327.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/754013X.jpg)
Back row left to right: Lorcan Mulvey (Cavan) Fulham Irish, Site manager; Lloyd Colfer (Wexford) GAA development officer; Greg Crowle (Westmeath) Parnells, Credit Control manager; Cathal Magee (Down) Tir Chonaill Gaels, Construction manager; Paul Geraghty (Galway) engineer manager; Danny Ryan (Mayo) maths teacher; Caolan Doyle (Derry) Tir Chonaill Gaels, Schoolteacher; Shane Mulligan (Monaghan) Fulham Irish, Engineer; Martin Carroll (Louth) plumber ; Declan Traynor (Meath) Fulham Irish, Labourer; Evan Byrne (Tipperary) student; Kevin Lynham (Offaly) Heston Gaels, Site foreman; Damien Dunleavy (Galway) block-layer; Eoin O'Neill (Galway) electrician.
Front row left to right: Brian Collins (Sligo) architect;Philip Butler (London) student; Tony Gaughan (Mayo) Neasden Gaels, Self employed plumber; Padraig McGoldrick (Sligo) Heston Gaels, Site manager; Mark Gottsche (Galway) Tir Chonaill Gaels, Works for London GAA board; Seamus Hannon (Longford) Fulham Irish, Civil engineer; Barry Mitchell (Laois) Heston Gaels, Property investor; Ciaran McCallion (Derry) Kingdom Kerry Gaels, Site engineer; David McGreevy (Down) Kingdom Kerry Gales, Recruitment consultant; Stephen Curran(Kerry) St Kiernans, Structural engineer; Sean Kelly (Mayo) student; Eamonn McConville (Down) accountant.
Statement on behalf of Sligo Senior Football Panel
In light of recent comments in the national media, players want to publicly assert their full confidence in Kevin Walsh and his Management Team going forward.
Sligo Senior Football Panel
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 28, 2013, 11:19:59 PM
Statement on behalf of Sligo Senior Football Panel
In light of recent comments in the national media, players want to publicly assert their full confidence in Kevin Walsh and his Management Team going forward.
Sligo Senior Football Panel
Propaganda, lies, how many players signed the statement, oh right none. Wonder who forced them into it and how this came about? I am sure there are players who support him because they know they will lose there place under a new manager, but i have had players come up to me giving out about walsh in the past 1.5 yrs.
Why didnt they not just say nothing. This makes them look even worse.
Laughable. Ye just lost to London! If it was me I would be keeping the head down. An apology would be more apt!
I know without being told who is behind this. Several players clearly don't agree with this. Some shambles.
Second apology of the year and it's not June!!!!!
Is it not a bit rich of O'Hara talking about rumours of Walsh having his head turned by Roscommon given the quantity of rumours that surrounded him during his career of going to play club for his uncle with us and county for mayo
It's not surprising Sligo football is going nowhere. A 37 year old is asked to commit to a training schedule from November. He doesn't want to do so. As a consequence he is not invited onto the panel. He then uses a national TV programme to slate said manager and it appears most Sligo supporters on here support him in that.
Well fine get yourselves another manager that will let a player dictate the terms of when he will join and what work he will put in and see how that goes for you.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 29, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
Is it not a bit rich of O'Hara talking about rumours of Walsh having his head turned by Roscommon given the quantity of rumours that surrounded him during his career of going to play club for his uncle with us and county for mayo
Those were not rumours-he was on the verge of changing club. Changing club however does not mean he would have changed his county allegiance. He was always fully committed to Sligo.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 28, 2013, 11:19:59 PM
Statement on behalf of Sligo Senior Football Panel
In light of recent comments in the national media, players want to publicly assert their full confidence in Kevin Walsh and his Management Team going forward.
Sligo Senior Football Panel
County Board are making fools of the county players with this statement. Players need to make a stand now
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 29, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
It's not surprising Sligo football is going nowhere. A 37 year old is asked to commit to a training schedule from November. He doesn't want to do so. As a consequence he is not invited onto the panel. He then uses a national TV programme to slate said manager and it appears most Sligo supporters on here support him in that.
Well fine get yourselves another manager that will let a player dictate the terms of when he will join and what work he will put in and see how that goes for you.
You obviously didn't bother reading the rest of the thread or watch the Sunday game last Sunday. Comment when you get your facts right
Quote from: Mano on May 29, 2013, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 29, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
Is it not a bit rich of O'Hara talking about rumours of Walsh having his head turned by Roscommon given the quantity of rumours that surrounded him during his career of going to play club for his uncle with us and county for mayo
Those were not rumours-he was on the verge of changing club. Changing club however does not mean he would have changed his county allegiance. He was always fully committed to Sligo
Personally I think it would have been worse to switch clubs but that might be a bit old school.
As someone who has relations who lined out for Sligo and am neighbours with O'Haras mams family I have no axe to grind with Sligo or O'Hara.
He is not coming out of this well, it looks like he wasn't selected on the panel and now has it in for Walsh. In one breathe he says their aim for this year was at least a Connacht final and in the next says last years final papered over the cracks. Last year ye beat Galway and ran mayo very close before going out meekly to Kildare, not a bad championship by any measure.
I think we all know the players had to back Walsh, it's signed by the Sligo panel which means Walsh asked if they wanted him to stay and no one spoke up so somebody (maybe CB level) suggested putting out a statement and nobody objected. So it is in essence from the panel but we won't know how many actually support it. Walsh will be gone at the end of the qualifiers for sure.
Quote from: Mano on May 29, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 29, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
It's not surprising Sligo football is going nowhere. A 37 year old is asked to commit to a training schedule from November. He doesn't want to do so. As a consequence he is not invited onto the panel. He then uses a national TV programme to slate said manager and it appears most Sligo supporters on here support him in that.
Well fine get yourselves another manager that will let a player dictate the terms of when he will join and what work he will put in and see how that goes for you.
You obviously didn't bother reading the rest of the thread or watch the Sunday game last Sunday. Comment when you get your facts right
Well I have done both and since ,as far as I know, this is a discussion board I am free to comment at any time without seeking your permission or approval.
Which of the statements that I have made above is not factually correct?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 29, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: Mano on May 29, 2013, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 29, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
Is it not a bit rich of O'Hara talking about rumours of Walsh having his head turned by Roscommon given the quantity of rumours that surrounded him during his career of going to play club for his uncle with us and county for mayo
Those were not rumours-he was on the verge of changing club. Changing club however does not mean he would have changed his county allegiance. He was always fully committed to Sligo
Personally I think it would have been worse to switch clubs but that might be a bit old school.
As someone who has relations who lined out for Sligo and am neighbours with O'Haras mams family I have no axe to grind with Sligo or O'Hara.
He is not coming out of this well, it looks like he wasn't selected on the panel and now has it in for Walsh. In one breathe he says their aim for this year was at least a Connacht final and in the next says last years final papered over the cracks. Last year ye beat Galway and ran mayo very close before going out meekly to Kildare, not a bad championship by any measure.
I think we all know the players had to back Walsh, it's signed by the Sligo panel which means Walsh asked if they wanted him to stay and no one spoke up so somebody (maybe CB level) suggested putting out a statement and nobody objected. So it is in essence from the panel but we won't know how many actually support it. Walsh will be gone at the end of the qualifiers for sure.
I wouldn't make any of those assumptions about this "statement." Looks a ham-fisted rushed job to me.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 29, 2013, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 29, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: Mano on May 29, 2013, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 29, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
Is it not a bit rich of O'Hara talking about rumours of Walsh having his head turned by Roscommon given the quantity of rumours that surrounded him during his career of going to play club for his uncle with us and county for mayo
Those were not rumours-he was on the verge of changing club. Changing club however does not mean he would have changed his county allegiance. He was always fully committed to Sligo
Personally I think it would have been worse to switch clubs but that might be a bit old school.
As someone who has relations who lined out for Sligo and am neighbours with O'Haras mams family I have no axe to grind with Sligo or O'Hara.
He is not coming out of this well, it looks like he wasn't selected on the panel and now has it in for Walsh. In one breathe he says their aim for this year was at least a Connacht final and in the next says last years final papered over the cracks. Last year ye beat Galway and ran mayo very close before going out meekly to Kildare, not a bad championship by any measure.
I think we all know the players had to back Walsh, it's signed by the Sligo panel which means Walsh asked if they wanted him to stay and no one spoke up so somebody (maybe CB level) suggested putting out a statement and nobody objected. So it is in essence from the panel but we won't know how many actually support it. Walsh will be gone at the end of the qualifiers for sure.
I wouldn't make any of those assumptions about this "statement." Looks a ham-fisted rushed job to me.
Ham-fisted and not worth the PDF it's written on without all the signatures.
A friend of mine just told me Comical Ali (county Secretary) was on Ocean FM. He was saying that things aren't that bad, we're in an All-Ireland semi final!!!!!
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 29, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
A friend of mine just told me Comical Ali (county Secretary) was on Ocean FM. He was saying that things aren't that bad, we're in an All-Ireland semi final!!!!!
Is Big Kev still managing the juniors? Would be ironic if he won ye an AI.
Quote from: Syferus on May 29, 2013, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 29, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
A friend of mine just told me Comical Ali (county Secretary) was on Ocean FM. He was saying that things aren't that bad, we're in an All-Ireland semi final!!!!!
Is Big Kev still managing the juniors? Would be ironic id he won ye an AI.
Yes and he has already won the Junior All Ireland for Sligo in 2010
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 29, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
A friend of mine just told me Comical Ali (county Secretary) was on Ocean FM. He was saying that things aren't that bad, we're in an All-Ireland semi final!!!!!
wow did he really say that, the propaganda machine is in full swing, theyve lost the run of themselves,
Walsh has replied on rte radio im told, havent heard it yet but he is supposed to have had a go back, check the rte website later...
Bit shown on 6 o clock News. Gist was O'Hara isn't part of the panel on his own choice and therefore can't really know what's happening. I disagree with him.
Fuel for another 20 pages
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0529/453452-walsh-critical-of-sunday-game-analysis/
Sligo manager Kevin Walsh hits back after Eamonn O'Hara's criticism on RTÉ's The Sunday Game
Updated: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:37 | 0 Comments
Sligo manager Kevin Walsh has vowed to continue his leadership of the Yeats County and hit out at the review of the defeat to London on RTÉ's The Sunday Game.
Analyst and former Sligo footballer Eamonn O'Hara criticised the county's training, selection and tactics following the loss in Ruislip.
Walsh told RTÉ: "The Sunday Game was very unfair. I felt it was very unbalanced in the presentation of the issues that did arise from Sligo in the London game.
"I felt The Sunday Game itself failed to comply with the obligations that are on RTÉ as a public service broadcasting company to adhere to the highest standards of balance in broadcasting.
"On top of that there was certain allegations made that have no basis or fact. They were allowed to be made without challenge or debate in the studio on the night. This is and has been of great disappointment for me.
"Eamonn is entitled to his opinion as an analyst. But however as a representative of Sligo management, we don't agree with opinions that he expressed and we certainly don't accept them as being valid."
Walsh added that O'Hara had made his own decision to retire and defended his authority following the attack from the Sligo great.
The manager said: "He made his own decision not to continue with the Sligo senior football team for this year. This obviously is his right but as a consequence, he is not in a position to comment with authority about internal matters in the panel or to its management.
"Management in any county panel are entitled to review a panel based on performance, form and the emergence of any new or potential talent. It is an essential right of any management to change a panel in accordance with their judgement of what is in the best interest of a county team."
Asked whether he would continue in the Sligo role ahead of the first round of qualifiers in late June, Walsh said the support of his players and county board has shown why he will stay put.
"Over the last two days, the county board have answered that question on their side. The players have answered from their side.
"My focus as team manager, as it has always been, is to achieve the best possible results and performances for all the Sligo players involved on the present team, panel and management for 2013."
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 29, 2013, 07:32:50 PM
Walsh has replied on rte radio im told, havent heard it yet but he is supposed to have had a go back, check the rte website later...
Heard the radio interview. He seemed to suggest that panel changes on a yearly basis due to loss of form, new players impressing which seemed to suggest that Eamonn was dropped due to loss of form and not due to the Nov deadline which we know is not true. He has said a few times on the Sligo Champion that players were dropped as they couldn't commit to Nov training.
http://www.rte.ie/player/ch/show/10152663/
starts at 39 minutes
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2013, 07:47:54 PM
Fuel for another 20 pages
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0529/453452-walsh-critical-of-sunday-game-analysis/
Sligo manager Kevin Walsh hits back after Eamonn O'Hara's criticism on RTÉ's The Sunday Game
Updated: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 19:37 | 0 Comments
Sligo manager Kevin Walsh has vowed to continue his leadership of the Yeats County and hit out at the review of the defeat to London on RTÉ's The Sunday Game.
Analyst and former Sligo footballer Eamonn O'Hara criticised the county's training, selection and tactics following the loss in Ruislip.
Walsh told RTÉ: "The Sunday Game was very unfair. I felt it was very unbalanced in the presentation of the issues that did arise from Sligo in the London game.
"I felt The Sunday Game itself failed to comply with the obligations that are on RTÉ as a public service broadcasting company to adhere to the highest standards of balance in broadcasting.
"On top of that there was certain allegations made that have no basis or fact. They were allowed to be made without challenge or debate in the studio on the night. This is and has been of great disappointment for me.
"Eamonn is entitled to his opinion as an analyst. But however as a representative of Sligo management, we don't agree with opinions that he expressed and we certainly don't accept them as being valid." he trained for 4 yrs under you
Walsh added that O'Hara had made his own decision to retire and defended his authority following the attack from the Sligo great.
The manager said: "He made his own decision not to continue with the Sligo senior football team for this year. This obviously is his right but as a consequence, he is not in a position to comment with authority about internal matters in the panel or to its management.this is blatantly false
"Management in any county panel are entitled to review a panel based on performance, form and the emergence of any new or potential talent. It is an essential right of any management to change a panel in accordance with their judgement of what is in the best interest of a county team."
Asked whether he would continue in the Sligo role ahead of the first round of qualifiers in late June, Walsh said the support of his players and county board has shown why he will stay put.
"Over the last two days, the county board have answered that question on their side. The players have answered from their side. clearly orchestrated and where are the signatures
"My focus as team manager, as it has always been, is to achieve the best possible results and performances for all the Sligo players involved on the present team, panel and management for 2013."and youve done a great at that havent
Far be it for any Sligo person to question your methods on any of those performances and results, your clearly doing it all right.
Why are non Sligo people so keen to object to Eamon O'Haras comments? Yet Sligo GAA people are relieved!
The farce continues. I know a county player in my club. He didn't sign any statement backing Walsh and was simply told tha it was happening and being issued by the county board on behalf of the players. Incidentally he agreed with O'Haras comments!
I think todays lies by Walsh together with the Dads Army approach of the CB show what we're up against.
Please leave my county Mr Walsh. It has gone way to far.
Would be good crack to see Galway play Sligo in the qualifiers.
If you were a Galway player ..... "they insult one of our legends and have no respect for him despite the success he has had with them, we'll show those motherf*ckers, hammer them out the gate .... agh, but wait ..... if we do beat them, then we are only confirming what they are saying about our Kevin. Ah, what to do, what to do...."
Quote from: ck on May 29, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
Why are non Sligo people so keen to object to Eamon O'Haras comments? Yet Sligo GAA people are relieved
Nobody outside of Sligo cares about who is right or wrong. It's like 2 bald men fighting over a comb or maybe even 2 combs fighting over a bald man!!
My issue is that O'Hara was on TSG as a panelist not as a Sligo man. He did not seem to understand the role he is there for. RTE and Cahill share the blame and Walsh is right to be annoyed.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 29, 2013, 11:55:32 PM
I think todays lies by Walsh together with the Dads Army approach of the CB show what we're up against.
Please leave my county Mr Walsh. It has gone way to far.
Is Walsh the only problem? Is he maybe hamstrung with this Dads Army county board you Sligo ones keep going on about or is he part of a much bigger problem which even Jimmy McGuinness, Mick O'Dwyer and Mickey Harte together couldn't solve?
There's very few county boards in Ireland who're well thought of by us keyboard warriors all the same.
Quote from: johnneycool on May 30, 2013, 02:30:32 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 29, 2013, 11:55:32 PM
I think todays lies by Walsh together with the Dads Army approach of the CB show what we're up against.
Please leave my county Mr Walsh. It has gone way to far.
Is Walsh the only problem? Is he maybe hamstrung with this Dads Army county board you Sligo ones keep going on about or is he part of a much bigger problem which even Jimmy McGuinness, Mick O'Dwyer and Mickey Harte together couldn't solve?
There's very few county boards in Ireland who're well thought of by us keyboard warriors all the same.
And rightly so. The whole GAA system is accountable to people doing the exact same thing thing CBs are doing but on a provincial level.
I read 'the Road to '51' a year or so ago.
Anyone who thinks things are bad now should read about the 30 man selection committee we had back then. Teams were picked by people who had never seen some of the players.
Video of this weeks county board meeting, a must see for anyone wanting to see how our county is run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIOcyoAG8w
PS whilst it is hilarious i dont like the pat hughes part, hes a good lad and decent player,
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
Have any Sligo players left the panel yet?
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 01, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
Have any Sligo players left the panel yet?
If things are as bad as O'Hara made out, I'm surprised there's anyone still on the squad!
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
That idea is neither stupid nor inane.
These guys have been reading the english tabloids too much.
Iirc it wasn't the state of sligo football he was asked about but his personal situation. So you should still remain disgusted as he wasn't asked about the state of sligo football.
O'Hara is not to blame for this. Des Cahill asked the question. He just answered it.
You make out like the state of sligo football is a national outrage.
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
Why is it stupid to expect the Sunday Game to give a fair and balanced analysis of GAA games, teams, managements etc?
Quote from: Tubberman on June 01, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
Why is it stupid to expect the Sunday Game to give a fair and balanced analysis of GAA games, teams, managements etc?
Because punditry is subjective by its very nature.
Why's it subjective by it's nature? You watch a game of football and you set your loyalties aside. Sometimes they shine through but as a PROFESSIONAL it's your job to do your best to set them aside. These guys are professionals. Even Gary Neville can almost come across as objective :-[
That is neither here nor there withO'Hara. He was asked a personal question.
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
Fair enough Syferus, but for me there isnt enough analysis of what happens on the pitch with tactics discussed and opinions expressed about how to overcome systems etc. Theres too much personal attacks and sound bytes. Also, there's too much talking altogether and not enough time spent actually showing the game. I wonder what the time spent showing the London v Sligo game to time spent talking about it (or talking about the sligo situation) ratio was?
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
Here we have the problem in a nutshell. The Sunday Game should not be about punditry. It is about Gaelic games and bringing as much of the top level games to the masses. The problem is that these self publicising pundits and, more importantly, their bosses at RTE think that this idiotic perception is true.
The sunday game in its current game in its current guise feeds the sleeping masses and ignores or at best ridicules people with a decent interest in the games in terms of match coverage and analysis.
The standard of analysis is laughably bad. How past players can be so ineptly informed in current tactic and trends is beyond me. When Brolly goes on his eloquent rambles, the content is largely garbage - utter garbage - and everyone i would chat to football about consider him the village idiot of football analysis.
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
People?
People don't have to 'get over that fact'. Which by the way is not a 'fact'. It is an opinion, something TSG doesn't understand either so you are in good company.
'People' like me simply won't watch the attention seeking garbage anymore.
Quote from: muppet on June 01, 2013, 06:46:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
QuoteMcElkennon: RTE has an agenda
31 May 2013
Martin McElkennon suspects RTE is deliberately stirring things up.
Scathing comments made by Sunday Game pundits Joe Brolly and Eamonn O'Hara on successive weekends have attracted more column inches than any of the matches played so far in this year's championship and ace trainer McElkennon believes the national broadcaster is deliberately courting controversy to gain ratings:
"The remarks that some people have made on RTE, there seems to be an agenda there," the Tyrone man - who was himself publicly vilified by Pat Spillane while he was part of the Meath backroom team last year - comments in The Irish News.
"I think that is the best way to describe it - an agenda among some people making sweeping statements that really are only a personal opinion and there's no real facts to back it up.
"That seems the road - for some reason - that RTE is going down. I don't know why. Maybe this has been decided beforehand by the producers of the show to try and get in more viewers.
"If people are talking about it now, maybe that is what they are after. You have boys sitting in studios who have never managed a team - and this is the bit that is getting to me most - boys who have never managed an intercounty team.
"None of them have done it, yet it is very easy to turn around and say 'well I don't do it but, by the way, I will also tell you how it is done' by sitting after the game in a studio and giving your very one-sided opinion.
"I have heard some of the statements over the last few weeks and I have talked to a lot of good GAA men and I have not heard a single man say to me that they are in support of it.
"There is nobody saying to me 'what your man said last Sunday or the Sunday before, wasn't it great to hear?'. People are asking instead: what road are we going down here?'. And you have to wonder where this is going to end up."
http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491 (http://hoganstand.com/Sligo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=193491)
It really is highlighting how startling the lack of knowledge on this issue is when people are still playing the 'Bad RTE' angle and trying to lump O'Hara in with Brolly. You can argue O'Hara had an axe to grind if you want but I highly doubt increasing ratings had anything to do with what he said.
It had to do with him getting asked the question though.
As a viewer I would be absolutely disgusted if a host on analysis show didn't ask the ex-Sligo player on the panel about the state of Sligo football the night they lose to London for the first time in their history. That's basically home run situation for an interviewer. You have to ask the question, of that there should be no doubt.
People have this stupid, inane idea that The Sunday Game, a show about punditry, has some requirement to be objective (an impossible standard in itself) or fair and balanced.
It doesn't. Time for people to get over that fact.
People?
People don't have to 'get over that fact'. Which by the way is not a 'fact'. It is an opinion, something TSG doesn't understand either so you are in good company.
'People' like me simply won't watch the attention seeking garbage anymore.
Then don't watch it. The ratings are too high for them to change it in the medium term. This formula works in soccer and rugby so you're really pissing against the wind if you think there's any chance RTE will hire some wilting willows who just want to balance the scales or the GAA's answer to Brian Farrell.
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2013, 06:55:52 PM
Then don't watch it. The ratings are too high for them to change it in the medium term. This formula works in soccer and rugby so you're really pissing against the wind if you think there's any chance RTE will hire some wilting willows who just want to balance the scales or the GAA's answer to Brian Farrell.
Any chance of a link to view these 'too high' ratings?
As for the formula in rugby and soccer:
a) it is quite different talking about professionals, particularly those in England who often never even hear Dunphy and co.
b) Hook isn't taken seriously anymore by anyone.
c) You don't hear managers, or ex-players, of top teams criticising the RTE Rugby or Soccer shows as often as you hear their Gaa equivalents attacking TSG.
Quote from: muppet on June 01, 2013, 06:46:03 PM
People don't have to 'get over that fact'. Which by the way is not a 'fact'. It is an opinion, something TSG doesn't understand either so you are in good company.
'People' like me simply won't watch the attention seeking garbage anymore.
+1.
I just watch the ( all too short biteens of ) action and get up to put the kettle on/go to jacks/put cat out or just go out the door for a while till the gobshites are finished.
God be with the days when Enda Colleran was the only "expert" and he'd give reasons why team A won, team B lost , the tactics that won and lost the game etc etc.
The kind of things people like me want to hear from someone who knows these sort of things.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 01, 2013, 09:31:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 01, 2013, 06:46:03 PM
People don't have to 'get over that fact'. Which by the way is not a 'fact'. It is an opinion, something TSG doesn't understand either so you are in good company.
'People' like me simply won't watch the attention seeking garbage anymore.
+1.
I just watch the ( all too short biteens of ) action and get up to put the kettle on/go to jacks/put cat out or just go out the door for a while till the gobshites are finished.
God be with the days when Enda Colleran was the only "expert" and he'd give reasons why team A won, team B lost , the tactics that won and lost the game etc etc.
The kind of things people like me want to hear from someone who knows these sort of things.
Less faction and more action!
I contend that syphilis is just like the Sunday game pundits. Running around talking daft shite for attention. Same with Fearon in his pomp. Even though they talk utter crap you still have to take a look just so you can shake your head and think good god listen to that fool and what he's saying now. Humans must just be hardwired that way.
:D ;D :D ;D
Scratchy's sense of timing impeccable as usual.
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 04, 2018, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: galwayman on May 26, 2013, 09:44:48 PM
O'Hara pulled no punches there on The Sunday Game. And fair play I didn't think he would come out and say too much.
Look how far now Kevin Walsh has come as a manager. As for O'Hara done little in stints as club manager. Imagine he got sligo job after Corey stepping down?
If you want to pretend to be a newbie its probably best not to pulling up posts from 5 years ago.
Where did Muppet go to? Was a prolific poster and upped and gone?
A kerryman interested in Sligo GAA ;D