Congrats to Dublin. Hopefully they can keep at it and take KK in the final.
They made a serious effort to throw this game away today. A lot of scoreable chances missed by the dubs in the second half a lot missed by wexford too it must be said. Well done to the sub Lambert for steadying the ship with two good points when dublin were down to fourteen men at the finish. Dublins full back line were very strong in the last twenty minutes.
The amount of young lads around 12 - 14 yrs old fm Dublin that ran onto the pitch after the game was as good as Dub's winnin Leinster Final for me. Good day for hurling. Dubs backs are terrific.
QuoteHopefully they can keep at it and take KK in the final.
They haven't a hope I'm afraid.
Quote from: Zulu on June 21, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
QuoteHopefully they can keep at it and take KK in the final.
They haven't a hope I'm afraid.
I reckon you're right but it would be nice all the same.
A great day for Dublin hurling today. Won't look like much to traditional counties but that was 10 years in the making today. It's 18 years since we beat a recognised hurling county in the championship. All the underage coaches, dublin colleges coaches, Tommy Naughton etc have all contributed to that result today.We've at least given ourselves a foothold in the middle tier of hurling counties and hopefully there is more to come in the years ahead.
We played really well in the first half but stalled in the 2nd. Missing the likes of fallon and ross o carroll, liam ryan and then mc crabbe going off injured was a disaster. but they showed composure to see it home when down to 14 men. Over the moon today after all the hard work. Its a lot harder to break the glass ceiling in hurling than in football IMO.
Nothing to lose in the final and we're just looking for a performance and possibly a last 8 place. We've one in a hundred chances of beating kilkenny but we needed to get the monkey off our back today. Backs were outstanding today. forwards faded in the 2nd half but 4 of them are u21 and we really bar Dotsy lack experience up there.
Massive credit goes to Daly, he didn't have to take it and the commitment he's shown driving up and down from clare- watching the u21 and even the intermediate team playing mtaches has been exemplery. Can't thank him enough for the work he's done with this team.
Quote from: Zulu on June 21, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
QuoteHopefully they can keep at it and take KK in the final.
They haven't a hope I'm afraid.
We are aware of that. Hurling didn't start in Dublin 10 years ago contrary to opinion in some hurling counties.
Congrats to Dublin today was delighted to see them win,I went to the game as I was down home for the weekend
While the hurling skills displayed in Nowlan Park was nowhere near the game in O'Connor Park last night I still think it's great that Dublin hurling is being rewarded for the effort they are putting in.It was great to see them invade the pitch at the end.
I will defiantly go and support the Dubs in the final,if they can stay within 6-7 points of KK it will be a good result for them IMHO..
Brilliant to see and a good score so no one can say its a fluke.
Absolutely delighted to finally get one over on our Bogey Team No 2 (Bogey Team no 1 awaits). Full value imo for win. Brady, Boland, Corcoran and young Gough were excellent.
Walked across pitch after game and was nice to see S Hiney signing autographs patiently for the kids.
A special mention to all the Wexford fans around us in the Stand who went out of their way to congratulate us and wish us well. Very humbling experience and one I will not forget.
Usual bottleneck in Castledermott on way home. Very strange weather, left Dublin in the pouring rain and was absolutely lovely in KK.
Think that Rushie and Carton need to improve on their display's today. Feel that we need Ro Fallon back (if fit/sharp) at centre back with Boland going out wingback to really improve the team.
Will go out on a limb here and say that WE WILL give the cats a right rattle in 2 weeks.
Btw.......E30 in was ott imo.
Quote from: Canalman on June 21, 2009, 09:02:38 PM
Absolutely delighted to finally get one over on our Bogey Team No 2 (Bogey Team no 1 awaits). Full value imo for win. Brady, Boland, Corcoran and young Gough were excellent.
Walked across pitch after game and was nice to see S Hiney signing autographs patiently for the kids.
A special mention to all the Wexford fans around us in the Stand who went out of their way to congratulate us and wish us well. Very humbling experience and one I will not forget.
Usual bottleneck in Castledermott on way home. Very strange weather, left Dublin in the pouring rain and was absolutely lovely in KK.
Think that Rushie and Carton need to improve on their display's today. Feel that we need Ro Fallon back (if fit/sharp) at centre back with Boland going out wingback to really improve the team.
Will go out on a limb here and say that WE WILL give the cats a right rattle in 2 weeks.
Btw.......E30 in was ott imo.
Why didn't you stand so.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 21, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Congrats to Dublin today was delighted to see them win,I went to the game as I was down home for the weekend
While the hurling skills displayed in Nowlan Park was nowhere near the game in O'Connor Park last night I still think it's great that Dublin hurling is being rewarded for the effort they are putting in.It was great to see them invade the pitch at the end.
I will defiantly go and support the Dubs in the final,if they can stay within 6-7 points of KK it will be a good result for them IMHO..
:o :o
G Nevin, was with sister and her family who had got the tickets. Was E20 in to the terrace anyway.
Were you there?
Delighted that Tomás Brady and Joey Boland (my first cousin) played well. I turned channel when Wexford got the goal and they had their dander up at that stage, I thought Dublin were going to fall short again. Hopefully they can keep up with KK at least, Joey reckons they're training to be as competitive as Kilkenny anyway. Here's hoping.
Quote from: Canalman on June 21, 2009, 09:22:58 PM
G Nevin, was with sister and her family who had got the tickets. Was E20 in to the terrace anyway.
Were you there?
Was working .
Fair enough........ a tad less of the sneering would imo be more appropriate imo.
Quote from: Canalman on June 21, 2009, 09:28:59 PM
Fair enough........ a tad less of the sneering would imo be more appropriate imo.
Wasn't sneering just suggesting that if you considered 30 to expensive you had a cheaper option .
jaysus lads will be happy for once in your feckin lives. 30 quid - 20 quid - who cares - we won
Well done to Dublin. As Indiana said this has been a long time coming and is a big boost. This is only the start though for Dublin hurling.
Wexford GAA folk in my experience are among the most decent you'd ever meet and I'm not surprised by the sporting reaction described above. That's what the GAA is all about.
Leinster better than Munster this year?
Great result but that final could be a horror show.....
Will we ever see the Hill full for a Dublin Hurling match? Congrats though, its all about intensity, can Dublin live with the level shown by KK the last day. Always liked the Dubs in Football and Hurling so hope ye win it.
Dissappointed but Congrats to Dublin, this result should have came last season but we got lucky. I hope all the folk who have been involved in Dublin hurling over the last 10 years are patting themselves on the back because they deserve it. Hopefully they give KK a good game but sur if they do lose by a massive score then so what! This KK team has beaten everbody at some stage of over the last 2 years by a cricket score.
Great result for Dublin. Good to see the hard work paying off.
When was the last time Dublin played in a Leinster SHC Final?
90 or 91 I think ???
Dublin were last in the final in '91...just heard it on the radio yesterday...im actually a bit suprised that it isnt further back to be honest!
Congrats to Dublin, commiserations to Wexford there wasnt much between the teams at the end despite Dublin's earlier dominance. I fancy dublin to give everything in the final, I pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game.
If Dublin play with the same intensity I think they will stick with them for a lot of the match (I hope) but I cant see them being within a score of Kilkenny at the end. KK will have been warned after the league game between the two sides and may be welcoming back some regulars competing for starting places so I cant see Dublin catching them on the hop.
Best of luck in the final...real progress in leinster this year, it is now uber competitive between the first five teams..and there is nothing to say antrim cant take a step up in the coming years. Its been a better provincial championship than munster this year so far and with the teams currently in it, probably will be for the foreseeable future
Proud to have been there yesterday - a great day and it was fantastic to see us finishing off the match when it looked like we would blow it. Thought our fullback line was fantastic and everyone really upped their performances from the Antrim game. Dotsy is a class act when he gets on the ball but he still doesn't get out in front of his man enough for my liking. For all his hard work Rushe's striking lacks something for me and McCrabbe is a class act no doubt. Great to walk on the hallowed turf after the game - what a surface - and it was great to see folks who have had some dark days over the years really enjoying the moment - Fair play to the team for signing autographs etc in the melee for a lot of very happy youngsters. Was at the game with a Wexford mate and as said earlier in the thread they yella bellies were very sporting and gracious in defeat recognising that it was more important for us to win that game irrespective of what happens in the final. I think we'll have less pressure on us in the final and we'll give it a right rattle and if we keep it under double figures it'll be a great performance.
Days like yesterday and the match on Saturday night are a great reminder of what the GAA is all about and make up for an awful lot of the bad days and shite results. Up the Dubs
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
Dublin were last in the final in '91...just heard it on the radio yesterday...im actually a bit suprised that it isnt further back to be honest!
Congrats to Dublin, commiserations to Wexford there wasnt much between the teams at the end despite Dublin's earlier dominance. I fancy dublin to give everything in the final, I pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game.
If Dublin play with the same intensity I think they will stick with them for a lot of the match (I hope) but I cant see them being within a score of Kilkenny at the end. KK will have been warned after the league game between the two sides and may be welcoming back some regulars competing for starting places so I cant see Dublin catching them on the hop.
Best of luck in the final...real progress in leinster this year, it is now uber competitive between the first five teams..and there is nothing to say antrim cant take a step up in the coming years. Its been a better provincial championship than munster this year so far and with the teams currently in it, probably will be for the foreseeable future
would you shut up talking shite, hurling is not supported in Dublin like football was not supported in Wexford until 5years ago - that doesnt mean the people that go now are not GAA people. also i dont think there is any need to worry about a bandwagon of non gaa people as they would have no interest in watching this game i would think....
Quote from: Tankie on June 22, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
Dublin were last in the final in '91...just heard it on the radio yesterday...im actually a bit suprised that it isnt further back to be honest!
Congrats to Dublin, commiserations to Wexford there wasnt much between the teams at the end despite Dublin's earlier dominance. I fancy dublin to give everything in the final, I pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game.
If Dublin play with the same intensity I think they will stick with them for a lot of the match (I hope) but I cant see them being within a score of Kilkenny at the end. KK will have been warned after the league game between the two sides and may be welcoming back some regulars competing for starting places so I cant see Dublin catching them on the hop.
Best of luck in the final...real progress in leinster this year, it is now uber competitive between the first five teams..and there is nothing to say antrim cant take a step up in the coming years. Its been a better provincial championship than munster this year so far and with the teams currently in it, probably will be for the foreseeable future
would you shut up talking shite, hurling is not supported in Dublin like football was not supported in Wexford until 5years ago - that doesnt mean the people that go now are not GAA people. also i dont think there is any need to worry about a bandwagon of non gaa people as they would have no interest in watching this game i would think....
Im not talking shite as you like to put it, there is many a dublin person that goes to the football games that dont actually know the team. I would hate to see their hurling fans be infiltrated by these plastic dubs that werent at the game yesterday and didnt even know it was on. Im talking about my brother in law and his mates who are part of this brigade. I also used to work with Stephen Cluxetons sister who was often telling us stories of dubs fans saying stupid stuff to her brother after the matches. Im not tarring all dubs fans with this brush but im afraid there is a minority that are clueless and only go for a drinking session unfortunately
I'll go and watch(support even) Dublin hurlers until the Hill 16 yobs start following them...
Can you imagine Henry Shefflin or someone taking a 65 and those idiots booing him as he goes to take it ::)
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Tankie on June 22, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
Dublin were last in the final in '91...just heard it on the radio yesterday...im actually a bit suprised that it isnt further back to be honest!
Congrats to Dublin, commiserations to Wexford there wasnt much between the teams at the end despite Dublin's earlier dominance. I fancy dublin to give everything in the final, I pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game.
If Dublin play with the same intensity I think they will stick with them for a lot of the match (I hope) but I cant see them being within a score of Kilkenny at the end. KK will have been warned after the league game between the two sides and may be welcoming back some regulars competing for starting places so I cant see Dublin catching them on the hop.
Best of luck in the final...real progress in leinster this year, it is now uber competitive between the first five teams..and there is nothing to say antrim cant take a step up in the coming years. Its been a better provincial championship than munster this year so far and with the teams currently in it, probably will be for the foreseeable future
would you shut up talking shite, hurling is not supported in Dublin like football was not supported in Wexford until 5years ago - that doesnt mean the people that go now are not GAA people. also i dont think there is any need to worry about a bandwagon of non gaa people as they would have no interest in watching this game i would think....
Im not talking shite as you like to put it, there is many a dublin person that goes to the football games that dont actually know the team. I would hate to see their hurling fans be infiltrated by these plastic dubs that werent at the game yesterday and didnt even know it was on. Im talking about my brother in law and his mates who are part of this brigade. I also used to work with Stephen Cluxetons sister who was often telling us stories of dubs fans saying stupid stuff to her brother after the matches. Im not tarring all dubs fans with this brush but im afraid there is a minority that are clueless and only go for a drinking session unfortunately
Same as every county .Sure their is a small minority of the Offaly support have run the country in to the ground but we don't pin that on the lot of you.
Quote from: Gnevin on June 22, 2009, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Tankie on June 22, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
Dublin were last in the final in '91...just heard it on the radio yesterday...im actually a bit suprised that it isnt further back to be honest!
Congrats to Dublin, commiserations to Wexford there wasnt much between the teams at the end despite Dublin's earlier dominance. I fancy dublin to give everything in the final, I pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game.
If Dublin play with the same intensity I think they will stick with them for a lot of the match (I hope) but I cant see them being within a score of Kilkenny at the end. KK will have been warned after the league game between the two sides and may be welcoming back some regulars competing for starting places so I cant see Dublin catching them on the hop.
Best of luck in the final...real progress in leinster this year, it is now uber competitive between the first five teams..and there is nothing to say antrim cant take a step up in the coming years. Its been a better provincial championship than munster this year so far and with the teams currently in it, probably will be for the foreseeable future
would you shut up talking shite, hurling is not supported in Dublin like football was not supported in Wexford until 5years ago - that doesnt mean the people that go now are not GAA people. also i dont think there is any need to worry about a bandwagon of non gaa people as they would have no interest in watching this game i would think....
Im not talking shite as you like to put it, there is many a dublin person that goes to the football games that dont actually know the team. I would hate to see their hurling fans be infiltrated by these plastic dubs that werent at the game yesterday and didnt even know it was on. Im talking about my brother in law and his mates who are part of this brigade. I also used to work with Stephen Cluxetons sister who was often telling us stories of dubs fans saying stupid stuff to her brother after the matches. Im not tarring all dubs fans with this brush but im afraid there is a minority that are clueless and only go for a drinking session unfortunately
Same as every county .Sure their is a small minority of the Offaly support have run the country in to the ground but we don't pin that on the lot of you.
Gnevin...reread my post. I wasnt pinning it on the lot of you. In fact I was saying the exact opposite that i didnt want those yobbos that turn up for the football to start ruining the hurling matches aswell, they are the opposite to the gaa ethos and completely ruin the enjoyment of matches for the teams playing them. Dublin hurling fans are not this, there are a loyal bunch of a couple of thousand that turn up to the games and id hate to see what will be their glory day (whatever the outcome) marred by a few drunken idiots who wouldnt know a sliotar from a cricket ball.
I hope the Leinster council push the boat out and promote this game properly, free entry for u-16s accompanioed by an adult that sort of thing. Threw a few thousand tickets out to the schools in Dublin and KK. What would the average gate be at a Leinster final for the last five years, 35,000? 25,000?. If lots of bandwagon jumpers want to come out and support the dubs all well and good it might inspire some of the younger generation to pick up hurls instead of footballs.Abit of hype and excitement is just what the hurling championship needs.
Would fear for some of our young forwards against the kilkenny backs. Think we'll be horsed out of it personally up there. Daly has to put someone on Walsh who can put manners on him. If the likes of Hickey and Cha are fit and JJ goes to wing back. Think we may get a hiding to be honest. The roughing up Dotsy and Rushe got yesterday will be nothing compared to what the kilkenny backs will be dishing out. We just don't have the experience and cutting up there to give kilkenny a really serious game. Think the backs wil do fine- but somewhere along the line wthe dam will burst.
Still we're in bonus territory now.
It's probably better for the Dublin team if it is not hyped up! If Kilkenny are given stick from the opposition supporters we might just see a mauling. Low key is in Dublins best interest
I am not talking about promoting Dublins chances of winning the match, as you say probably best for the dubs to play it low key tell everyone how great KK are etc etc and then try to ambush them, do not think Cody will fall for that. The point I was making was that the Leinster Council should promote/ hype the match as much as possible to put bums on seats and generate intrest in hurling overall. It is a sad indictment of hurling followers when only 20-30000 got to Croke park to watch ( arguably ) the best team of all time.
Quote from: slow corner back on June 22, 2009, 02:50:32 PM
I am not talking about promoting Dublins chances of winning the match, as you say probably best for the dubs to play it low key tell everyone how great KK are etc etc and then try to ambush them, do not think Cody will fall for that. The point I was making was that the Leinster Council should promote/ hype the match as much as possible to put bums on seats and generate intrest in hurling overall. It is a sad indictment of hurling followers when only 20-30000 got to Croke park to watch ( arguably ) the best team of all time.
I think the average attendance is closer to 40 or 50,000 for Leinster Finals...but in fairness you have to look at the population of the countys getting there. For example if offaly get to the leinster final you can expect about 10 - 20,000 supporters to be there. Considering the countys population is around 50,000 that is as much as you can expect from a dual county. The likes of Kilkenny with bigger populations and only one code to support could possibly supply 30 - 40,000 on their own. It is really only the likes of Dublin etc that could probably compete with them numbers in leinster, also hosting it in croke park...a good 2 hours drive away from most of the general contenders (apart from dublin) also affects the numbers along with the extra ticket price that headquarters gets.
Need to get 40k. They will get it if they promote it well.
Do people think Kilkenny supporters will travel in any numbers for this game? Forgone conclusion and all that
QuoteIn fact I was saying the exact opposite that i didnt want those yobbos that turn up for the football to start ruining the hurling matches aswell, they are the opposite to the gaa ethos and completely ruin the enjoyment of matches for the teams playing them.
Nonsense, every county loves playing the Dubs when there is a packed CP and every sport attracts the day tripper support but if they didn't go you'd never sellout CP regardless of the teams playing or the code.
QuoteI think the average attendance is closer to 40 or 50,000 for Leinster Finals...but in fairness you have to look at the population of the countys getting there. For example if offaly get to the leinster final you can expect about 10 - 20,000 supporters to be there. Considering the countys population is around 50,000 that is as much as you can expect from a dual county. The likes of Kilkenny with bigger populations and only one code to support could possibly supply 30 - 40,000 on their own.
You're being more than generous with those figures, Offaly don't bring anywhere close to 20K for Leinster finals, certainly not since the great teams of the 80's and 90's left the scene. And Kilkenny wouldn't even get 40K for an AI let alone a Leinster final, they have often brought less than 10K for a Leinster final. Wexford are the only county that has kept attendences at Leinster finals at the 25K+ mark.
I think the attendance will be shocking for this game, kk won't travel to watch their team play Dublin and the Dubs probably will bring 10k or 15k. If there is more than 25k at this I would be very surprised
Quote from: Declan on June 22, 2009, 03:08:13 PM
Do people think Kilkenny supporters will travel in any numbers for this game? Forgone conclusion and all that
No. I can't imagine they will. A lot travelled on saturday so I can't see too many making the journey to the final.
I really hate that Daly persists with this extra back tactic. He doesn't give his full-forward line a chance. Its interesting the amount of crticism Dotsy comes in for, but what could he do? Every ball was contested 2 on 3. I really think Dublin would have won by a lot more if they had taken them man for man. I didn't even think Durkin that effective as the extra man. Against Kilkenny it might be more understandable to do it, but then it comes down to how they approach the game. Will it be to win, or merely damage limitation?
You might be surprised how many Dublin people will go. Could be 20,000 kids at it if they market it properly. Juvenile hurling in Dublin has more numbers than any other hurling county at the moment. Its getting these kids access to tickets especially in non-traditional GAA families. If they've any bloody sense they'll offer free tickets to u16's. If they do that they'll get at least 30,000 dubs at it. At the end of the day thats the audience they need to target. They aren't going to make money on this game but they might breakeven if they show a bit of innovation.
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2009, 03:09:31 PM
QuoteIn fact I was saying the exact opposite that i didnt want those yobbos that turn up for the football to start ruining the hurling matches aswell, they are the opposite to the gaa ethos and completely ruin the enjoyment of matches for the teams playing them.
Nonsense, every county loves playing the Dubs when there is a packed CP and every sport attracts the day tripper support but if they didn't go you'd never sellout CP regardless of the teams playing or the code.
QuoteI think the average attendance is closer to 40 or 50,000 for Leinster Finals...but in fairness you have to look at the population of the countys getting there. For example if offaly get to the leinster final you can expect about 10 - 20,000 supporters to be there. Considering the countys population is around 50,000 that is as much as you can expect from a dual county. The likes of Kilkenny with bigger populations and only one code to support could possibly supply 30 - 40,000 on their own.
You're being more than generous with those figures, Offaly don't bring anywhere close to 20K for Leinster finals, certainly not since the great teams of the 80's and 90's left the scene. And Kilkenny wouldn't even get 40K for an AI let alone a Leinster final, they have often brought less than 10K for a Leinster final. Wexford are the only county that has kept attendences at Leinster finals at the 25K+ mark.
Every county loves playing Dublin in front of a packed croker?? Maybe in football :-\ Any of the offaly vs dublin (football games) ive been at, a memorable one being the leinster final what 3 years ago i think it is now ive always been abused / assaulted. On that occasion i got great seats right in front of the presentation i was there with my girlfriend at the time who was from dublin in a dublin shirt, i stayed to clap on the presentation as a gracious loser only to be jostled and abused enough to make a fast exit. I have never experienced this against any other county and id say ive attended most offaly hurling and footballing games over the last two decades
I dont particularly care whether croke park was never sold out again in its lifetime...that is a mute point.
On Offaly i said between 10 & 20,000 if you reread my post, the average probably being somewhere in the middle of these. Attendance figures for the hurling are well down on previous years due to kilkennys dominance...im pretty sure ive attended some in 2000 and before that were close to 50,000 but i do take your point. I believe last years final between KK & Wexford was only around the 20,000 mark if im not mistaken
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on June 22, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: Declan on June 22, 2009, 03:08:13 PM
Do people think Kilkenny supporters will travel in any numbers for this game? Forgone conclusion and all that
No. I can't imagine they will. A lot travelled on saturday so I can't see too many making the journey to the final.
I really hate that Daly persists with this extra back tactic. He doesn't give his full-forward line a chance. Its interesting the amount of crticism Dotsy comes in for, but what could he do? Every ball was contested 2 on 3. I really think Dublin would have won by a lot more if they had taken them man for man. I didn't even think Durkin that effective as the extra man. Against Kilkenny it might be more understandable to do it, but then it comes down to how they approach the game. Will it be to win, or merely damage limitation?
Where has Dotsy been criticised? He played very well yesterday. I haven't seen any criticism.
What would you prefer Daly to do? Give Eddie and Henry the run of the place? Wexford and Offaly have tried that and been beaten out the gate. We're not much better than those two- in fact all could beat each on any given day, so there is no need to start getting ideas about ourselves.
I wish we could win- but its damage limitation unfortunately. 10-12 points would be respectable.
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on June 22, 2009, 11:23:48 AM
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Tankie on June 22, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: awfulynice on June 22, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
Dublin were last in the final in '91...just heard it on the radio yesterday...im actually a bit suprised that it isnt further back to be honest!
Congrats to Dublin, commiserations to Wexford there wasnt much between the teams at the end despite Dublin's earlier dominance. I fancy dublin to give everything in the final, I pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game.
If Dublin play with the same intensity I think they will stick with them for a lot of the match (I hope) but I cant see them being within a score of Kilkenny at the end. KK will have been warned after the league game between the two sides and may be welcoming back some regulars competing for starting places so I cant see Dublin catching them on the hop.
Best of luck in the final...real progress in leinster this year, it is now uber competitive between the first five teams..and there is nothing to say antrim cant take a step up in the coming years. Its been a better provincial championship than munster this year so far and with the teams currently in it, probably will be for the foreseeable future
would you shut up talking shite, hurling is not supported in Dublin like football was not supported in Wexford until 5years ago - that doesnt mean the people that go now are not GAA people. also i dont think there is any need to worry about a bandwagon of non gaa people as they would have no interest in watching this game i would think....
Im not talking shite as you like to put it, there is many a dublin person that goes to the football games that dont actually know the team. I would hate to see their hurling fans be infiltrated by these plastic dubs that werent at the game yesterday and didnt even know it was on. Im talking about my brother in law and his mates who are part of this brigade. I also used to work with Stephen Cluxetons sister who was often telling us stories of dubs fans saying stupid stuff to her brother after the matches. Im not tarring all dubs fans with this brush but im afraid there is a minority that are clueless and only go for a drinking session unfortunately
Same as every county .Sure their is a small minority of the Offaly support have run the country in to the ground but we don't pin that on the lot of you.
Gnevin...reread my post. I wasnt pinning it on the lot of you. In fact I was saying the exact opposite that i didnt want those yobbos that turn up for the football to start ruining the hurling matches aswell, they are the opposite to the gaa ethos and completely ruin the enjoyment of matches for the teams playing them. Dublin hurling fans are not this, there are a loyal bunch of a couple of thousand that turn up to the games and id hate to see what will be their glory day (whatever the outcome) marred by a few drunken idiots who wouldnt know a sliotar from a cricket ball.
i think Gnevin was trying to say that every country has plastic fans, the nordie teams over the past ten years have proved that.....
Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
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Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
but apparently they are true fans and anyone else is not welcome as they are only plastic fans which want to go on the piss..... ::)
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Quote from: slow corner back on June 22, 2009, 11:01:02 PM
Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
but apparently they are true fans and anyone else is not welcome as they are only plastic fans which want to go on the piss..... ::)
Tankie in fairness...there are very few other counties that have many fans that travel to go on the piss...why because its generally about 100 miles away from their home and they have to drive...so no there is no makeup quite like the dublin football fans.
You don't have to learn any player names being a Dublin supporter.
Just refer to them by the number on their back when you're abusing them!
No one on the Hill will bat an eyelid.
Jebus lads, the poor Dublin hurlers get a bit of success and they are criticized for the supporters that may follow them. I like Dublin hurling supporters, of all the counties you couldn't meet a nicer bunch with a great sense of humour. If they do bring 50,000 to Croker of which 40k will be plastic I for one would wish the Dubs all the best because of the good times I have had with those hardcore Dub fans.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on June 23, 2009, 09:38:18 AM
You don't have to learn any player names being a Dublin supporter.
Just refer to them by the number on their back when you're abusing them!
No one on the Hill will bat an eyelid.
We should all aspire to be like the peace loving, knowledgable bunch that are Tipperary Supporters. Ask PJ Delaney. He has first hand experience of them.
Quote from: EddieMerx on June 23, 2009, 10:24:53 AM
Jebus lads, the poor Dublin hurlers get a bit of success and they are criticized for the supporters that may follow them. I like Dublin hurling supporters, of all the counties you couldn't meet a nicer bunch with a great sense of humour. If they do bring 50,000 to Croker of which 40k will be plastic I for one would wish the Dubs all the best because of the good times I have had with those hardcore Dub fans.
Eddie in fairness that wasnt my point at all. I said that theie genuine supporters are as good as any countys supporters. And that I would hate for them to get a bad name like the footballers who generally everyone outside dublin loves to hate.
Well done Dubs. That was an unusual game in that it was one that was a )great to win, and b) needed to be won. Dublin simply had to beat either Wexford, Offaly, Galway or Kilkenny this year to keep the momentum, but now that they've done it, it's great.
I don't fancy their chances of winning against Kilkenny, but I do think they'll be closer than Offaly or Wexford have managed recently. I'd maybe put Kilkenny 7 points winners at the end, but it would be great if Dublin could catch the Cats.
Finally, I know where awfulynice is coming from with regard to the supporters. I've always found Dublin hurlers and their fans to be brilliant, win lose or draw, and I was glad that Offaly and now Wexford, fans were gracious losers to the Dubs in Under 21 and Senior games recently. I think he phrased it badly, but I would understand where he's coming from. I'd like Dubln to become a de facto part of the hurling family, not a sideshow like the footballers are because of 'The Hill'. The most important thing is the games themselves, not the hoopla surrounding it.
You'd swear that no other fans had day trippers. I mean Jesus Christ you get to a leinster final and all you get is people complaining. What I'm looking for is the GAA to employ a bit of lateral thinking. u16's in free and not to extort the ticket prices. If they do that they'll get a crowd. You won't make money on this game so it should be run as a loss leader.
Wexford are in the minor final and have a great chance of landing their first leinster since the mid 80's- so they'll have more than for your average minor final.
Its a question of marketing. I know a lot of football fans who are going to this one -who wouldn't normally go. With the leinster football championship so uninteresting these days - there is a strong possibility with the addition of galway that the leinster hurling championship will be ahead of the football soon in terms of popularity.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 23, 2009, 01:00:31 PM
You'd swear that no other fans had day trippers. I mean Jesus Christ you get to a leinster final and all you get is people complaining. What I'm looking for is the GAA to employ a bit of lateral thinking. u16's in free and not to extort the ticket prices. If they do that they'll get a crowd. You won't make money on this game so it should be run as a loss leader.
Wexford are in the minor final and have a great chance of landing their first leinster since the mid 80's- so they'll have more than for your average minor final.
Its a question of marketing. I know a lot of football fans who are going to this one -who wouldn't normally go. With the leinster football championship so uninteresting these days - there is a strong possibility with the addition of galway that the leinster hurling championship will be ahead of the football soon in terms of popularity.
I'd love to see Croker full of Dubs on July 4th Indiana, what I meant is that they support their team and just remember who is the star of the show. The cult of the 'Hill' in my view detracts from Dublin as a football team, especially during Pillar's reign with the walks down there, the arse boxing (copyright Tommy Lyons) with Mayo, etc etc. Day trippers are fine, if we didn't have Day trippers our championship games would have the same attendences as League Games in March. I just hope the 'meeja' and the fans remember who's actually playing, and who the story should be. Hint, they'll be wearing blue, and carrying hurls, not wearing blue and carrying flags.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 23, 2009, 12:46:31 PM
Well done Dubs. That was an unusual game in that it was one that was a )great to win, and b) needed to be won. Dublin simply had to beat either Wexford, Offaly, Galway or Kilkenny this year to keep the momentum, but now that they've done it, it's great.
I don't fancy their chances of winning against Kilkenny, but I do think they'll be closer than Offaly or Wexford have managed recently. I'd maybe put Kilkenny 7 points winners at the end, but it would be great if Dublin could catch the Cats.
Finally, I know where awfulynice is coming from with regard to the supporters. I've always found Dublin hurlers and their fans to be brilliant, win lose or draw, and I was glad that Offaly and now Wexford, fans were gracious losers to the Dubs in Under 21 and Senior games recently. I think he phrased it badly, but I would understand where he's coming from. I'd like Dubln to become a de facto part of the hurling family, not a sideshow like the footballers are because of 'The Hill'. The most important thing is the games themselves, not the hoopla surrounding it.
Jaysus il give another go and this..i dont think youre reading my posts at all or something
I was speaking about the dublin FOOTBALLERS fans and the way they act in and around croke park on match day.
The generall GAA thing is to go to the match roar on your team and have some banter with the opposing team, ive done this with all the prevalent counties in hurling including dublin over the last number of years and have often had a chat about the match afterwards with the opposing side.
This is not possible at a dublin football match and it is a different atmosphere...where I would personally not like to be walking out of the ground on my own even after a dublin football match...i was getting hit from behind by dublin football "fans" after they beat us in the Leinster football final.
I would hate if the hurling team attracts this kind of crowd aswell. For a number of reasons
A) It would definately ruin my impression of dublin supporters and my enjoyment of any future matches with Dublin, and I would assume a lot of other peoples
B) This kind of crowd is no use to you, most of the hurling matches for dublin will be played away from croke park...dont expect them to travel when you need them the most
C) It would make 99% of the rest of the country despise dublin hurling teams, who would be malligned because of no fault of their own.
Indiana, I would have no problem letting U-16s in for free...there was always a discount scheme run through the clubs (at least there used to be) and it was a great way of getting fans going and helping the game at grassroots level. I spent many a sunday in summer on a bus up to the nally stand when i was a young lad!!
I think it would be the best idea to run it through the clubs rather than just a free for all...as it will ensure that the people you let in for free are genuinenly interested and will get the most benefit from the free admission
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Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
but apparently they are true fans and anyone else is not welcome as they are only plastic fans which want to go on the piss..... ::)
Tankie in fairness...there are very few other counties that have many fans that travel to go on the piss...why because its generally about 100 miles away from their home and they have to drive...so no there is no makeup quite like the dublin football fans.
I would disagree - when the Armagh and Tyrone bandwagon are you actually telling me non f then were piss head fans? Or Kilkenny, Kerry or Laois fans for a big game or a final.....
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Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
but apparently they are true fans and anyone else is not welcome as they are only plastic fans which want to go on the piss..... ::)
Tankie in fairness...there are very few other counties that have many fans that travel to go on the piss...why because its generally about 100 miles away from their home and they have to drive...so no there is no makeup quite like the dublin football fans.
I would disagree - when the Armagh and Tyrone bandwagon are you actually telling me non f then were piss head fans? Or Kilkenny, Kerry or Laois fans for a big game or a final.....
Well I cant claim to know anything about Armagh, Tyrone or Kerry fans..they are footballing teams and we havent played them in quite a while. Perhaps they have the same piss head fans as dublin im not sure...if it is it is to their shame.
Laois & Kilkenny I know quite well as we play them every year and id definately disagree that they get piss head fans. Ive never had a problem with their fans and ive never been treated anything as badly as at dublin football matches...i also dont remember them having the same amount or level of drunkedness as a dublin football match
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Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
but apparently they are true fans and anyone else is not welcome as they are only plastic fans which want to go on the piss..... ::)
Tankie in fairness...there are very few other counties that have many fans that travel to go on the piss...why because its generally about 100 miles away from their home and they have to drive...so no there is no makeup quite like the dublin football fans.
I would disagree - when the Armagh and Tyrone bandwagon are you actually telling me non f then were piss head fans? Or Kilkenny, Kerry or Laois fans for a big game or a final.....
Well I cant claim to know anything about Armagh, Tyrone or Kerry fans..they are footballing teams and we havent played them in quite a while. Perhaps they have the same piss head fans as dublin im not sure...if it is it is to their shame.
Laois & Kilkenny I know quite well as we play them every year and id definately disagree that they get piss head fans. Ive never had a problem with their fans and ive never been treated anything as badly as at dublin football matches...i also dont remember them having the same amount or level of drunkedness as a dublin football match
So I'm a pisshead now because I go and watch the footballers? Of course no other county has pissheads of fans or who can't get to the ground on time. I mean you're walking a tightrope with posts like that. The vast majority of Dublin football fans are fine. There is a perception created by a minority that we are all coke sniffing, tracksuit wearing, unemployed dole lifers, raging alcoholics that haven't a watch between us.
I don't care who goes from Dublin. There is a certain snob element in relation to the dublin hurling support that would prefer to see 3,000 dubs rather than 30,000 because they wouldn't be termed "real" fans. Is it any wonder with thinking like that its taken 18 years. Thankfully the people in the county board who setup our development system didn't have such chips on their shoulders.
Indiana Wexford are not in the minor final yet, we've to play Westmeath tomorrow night in Portalaoise - Dublin made the mistake of taking them for granted, lets hope we don;t make the same one!
that was offaly who took them for granted- we lost to laois. still I'd fancy wexford to win leinster.
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Antrim Hurlers havent, no more than 3000 Antrim fans at any match for the last 15 years >:(
but apparently they are true fans and anyone else is not welcome as they are only plastic fans which want to go on the piss..... ::)
Tankie in fairness...there are very few other counties that have many fans that travel to go on the piss...why because its generally about 100 miles away from their home and they have to drive...so no there is no makeup quite like the dublin football fans.
I would disagree - when the Armagh and Tyrone bandwagon are you actually telling me non f then were piss head fans? Or Kilkenny, Kerry or Laois fans for a big game or a final.....
Well I cant claim to know anything about Armagh, Tyrone or Kerry fans..they are footballing teams and we havent played them in quite a while. Perhaps they have the same piss head fans as dublin im not sure...if it is it is to their shame.
Laois & Kilkenny I know quite well as we play them every year and id definately disagree that they get piss head fans. Ive never had a problem with their fans and ive never been treated anything as badly as at dublin football matches...i also dont remember them having the same amount or level of drunkedness as a dublin football match
So I'm a pisshead now because I go and watch the footballers? Of course no other county has pissheads of fans or who can't get to the ground on time. I mean you're walking a tightrope with posts like that. The vast majority of Dublin football fans are fine. There is a perception created by a minority that we are all coke sniffing, tracksuit wearing, unemployed dole lifers, raging alcoholics that haven't a watch between us.
I don't care who goes from Dublin. There is a certain snob element in relation to the dublin hurling support that would prefer to see 3,000 dubs rather than 30,000 because they wouldn't be termed "real" fans. Is it any wonder with thinking like that its taken 18 years. Thankfully the people in the county board who setup our development system didn't have such chips on their shoulders.
No and for the umpteen time in one thread i have to ask people to reread my posts. I was speaking about the minority of the dublin football supporters... As I said earlier I worked with stephen cluxetons sister, who plays for dublin ladies football team..she said the last time she was on the hill was 5 years ago she got bottles thrown at her when dublin lost and hasnt been in there since.....yes they are a minority and most dubs fans are ok..but they are a sizeable minority im afraid.
Your point about me saying no other county having pissheads is true. I would claim the pisshead to supporter ratio is about 1000 times higher at dublin games than any other...if you disagree im afraid you need to get out to more matches.
Im certainly not walking a tightrope saying no other teams can get their supporters into the game on time...this happens with dubs fans a couple of times a year lately...there is no county that has even close to as bad a record at time keeping!!
I hope there is a big crowd from dublin at the match..but i hope they are real fans..the 3000 dubs fans are right...no point in having 27,000 extra lads there that dont know the team, dont know the game, create pressure with unrealistic expectations and then turn on the team when these fail to materialise.
Give the free tickets to the plenty of proper dublin hurling supporters, There are plenty of them out there and they deserve a bit of gratitude for sticking with the game for so long in the wilderness. Wouldnt it be a wonderful gesture for the gaa to give 50 free tickets to each hurling club in dublin and KK to get a good crowd there and repay some of the hard work that is being done at grassroots level in both counties.
On the minor...yes it was offaly that were beaten by westmeath...i wouldnt exactly say on the hop. I think Westmeath will give Wexford a game but id fancy the yellow bellies to come throught it.
Back to the topic of the thread, I think the Dub's will give this a fair ould lash. There is a great buzz around the place here in Dublin and the lads wonn't be going out with their minds fixed on just keeping the margin of defeat to its lowest. Dubs have a strong back line and have gained a tremendous amount of experience but have they got strength in dept in their panel in that if one or two of their key players get injured have they got equal replacements? I think not but with U21's coming through they are as good as anyone else and equally as good as any other team in Leinster to give the Cats a rattle. I am confident that no matter what the score is with twenty minutes to go that Dublin will give it 100% right to the final whistle - if they do that they will have done enough for me anyway, win loose or draw.
Tommy Walsh should have a great game again ensuring his nomination for an All-Star ;)
How time's have changed. The nephew was down in Parnell last night where Anto and the boys were signing autographs for gangs of youngfellas - He was gutted that he didn't get Dotsies
It was a special night advertised, well not advertised, but mentioned in the Herald as a Meet & Greet the players night where young fellas could come along and get autographs and meet the lads. A bloody great idea, I think in my own county we have a problem getting the players to come along. I mentioned how my little grandson (7) got himself a hurl and how more young lads are been seen with hurls, well only yesterday his two little friends called for him and they had two new hurls as well and I put this down to the chatter that is going around the schools. Jeez, if the Dubs could beat the Cats's could you imagine what it would do, there wouldn't be an ash tree left in the country.
Me thinks Dubs will make a great game of it and Daly will still be doing all the sums right up to the day. If Larkin is watched closely and Eddie Brennan, who apart from the goal against Galway in which he was left in free space is watched and can be kept under control the Dub's backs will have won half the battle. Ground hurling? Hate the expression but in tight situations following a breaking ball Dub's have to lash her out of it on the sod if they fail to get it into the paw on the first attempt because the Cats could rise the ball out of a bucket of stones and they have perfected the fella running outside waiting for the handpass out of four or five lads poking around trying tyo rise the ball and next thing it is a point at the other end.
Has anyone seen a training session of the Dub's, or are you allowed see one?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 27, 2009, 08:07:44 AM
It was a special night advertised, well not advertised, but mentioned in the Herald as a Meet & Greet the players night where young fellas could come along and get autographs and meet the lads. A bloody great idea, I think in my own county we have a problem getting the players to come along. I mentioned how my little grandson (7) got himself a hurl and how more young lads are been seen with hurls, well only yesterday his two little friends called for him and they had two new hurls as well and I put this down to the chatter that is going around the schools. Jeez, if the Dubs could beat the Cats's could you imagine what it would do, there wouldn't be an ash tree left in the country.
Me thinks Dubs will make a great game of it and Daly will still be doing all the sums right up to the day. If Larkin is watched closely and Eddie Brennan, who apart from the goal against Galway in which he was left in free space is watched and can be kept under control the Dub's backs will have won half the battle. Ground hurling? Hate the expression but in tight situations following a breaking ball Dub's have to lash her out of it on the sod if they fail to get it into the paw on the first attempt because the Cats could rise the ball out of a bucket of stones and they have perfected the fella running outside waiting for the handpass out of four or five lads poking around trying tyo rise the ball and next thing it is a point at the other end.
Has anyone seen a training session of the Dub's, or are you allowed see one?
Its great to see such an interest level starting in Dublin Hurling, I hope that expectations arent too high and that the interest can be kept up even if Dublin fail to beat KK in the final.
I think Dublin will probably die on their feet to try and win this game, there is no doubt they have the physical elements to match Kilkenny but mentally KK have been in this situation before and will know how to deal with it.
Im afraid if you keep Larkin and Brennan quite...you have left out the best hurler of the last deacade in henry shefflin, im afraid he can beat teams on his own somedays!
I think Awful has hit the nail on the head here, if you keep Larkin and Brennan quiet you still have King Henry, Power, Fogarty and also TJ Reid from the bench... That is why this Kilkenny team is so good!
Aye but Kilkenny's oxygen is goals. If Dublin can keep Kilkenny to 0 or 1 goal, I reckon they have a chance. I know full well that Kilkenny can reel off 5 or 10 points in 5 minutes, but it's the goals at vital times that they really use to kill teams off. You can score on this Kilkenny team, especially if you run at them, but they usually render that a moot point by being 10 points up at the time.
Keep Eddie Brennan and Shefflin away from the onion bag, and I think Dublin will be very credible opponents. I can't see them beating the Cats, but I can see them making them draw their claws.
The key is goals the longer they go without one- the more the game stays in the melting pot. Couple of early majors then its curtains. Simple as that.
Which, by the way, will be Kilkenny's game plan. I've never seen a team where the mantra 'take your points' means so little. From 50 or 60 metres out, grand, but when the FF line gets it inside 30 metres, they're turning the corner and heading for the twine.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 29, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
Aye but Kilkenny's oxygen is goals. If Dublin can keep Kilkenny to 0 or 1 goal, I reckon they have a chance. I know full well that Kilkenny can reel off 5 or 10 points in 5 minutes, but it's the goals at vital times that they really use to kill teams off. You can score on this Kilkenny team, especially if you run at them, but they usually render that a moot point by being 10 points up at the time.
Not any more. Kilkenny abandoned that game plan a couple of years ago. Now its very much a take your points, goals will come approach. Look at the scores Kilkenny have been clocking up in recent times. Lots of points. Not so many goals. And in a lot of those games (All-Ireland final for example) there aren't really too many cases of goals missed. They only go for goal when its a sure thing. Back in the day they tried to kill a game off in the first 15 minutes with goals, but there were too many examples of that having had a negative affect on them (league final vs Cork circa '04, semi-final against Galway '05).
Its hard not to see Kilkenny scoring at least 20 points in this game. Are Dublin capable of scoring more than that? I don't think so. Especially considering that Daly will almost certainly employ the extra defender tactic again, which I think is so wrong. All the moreso against Wexford where Shane Durkin was clearly the wrong man to have in that role.
An excellent Dublin performance against a very off-colour Kilkenny was not good enough in the league. Dublin also vastly outhurled Tipp in the league and came up short. Because of how hard it is to come by scores.
Whatever about Kilkenny and goals, if Dublin are to have any chance it is they that need goals. And they should adopt that approach. Run at the Kilkenny defense at every opportunity. Its playing to their own strengths. They have the speed and the fitness. Some of the Kilkenny backs are short on pace. So why not take them on? Durkin, Dotsy, McCrabbe, all capable of it. Maybe mix in one or 2 bigger lads to break ball, but let the game plan be very much based around speed.
It'll be damage limitation at the back. The backs need to do their best to limit Kilkenny however they can. But its the forwards that the real onus is on. You don't beat Kilkenny by containing them. You beat them by outscoring them. Thats why Dublin are doomed before the game even starts if Daly opts to take a man out of the full-forward line (Kilkenny never follow the man out - they always leave an extra man back).
QuoteThats why Dublin are doomed before the game even starts if Daly opts to take a man out of the full-forward line (Kilkenny never follow the man out - they always leave an extra man back).
Sure you only want him to keep the 3 man FF line so that the Cats have more room in their HF line to absolutely go to town on the poor ould dubs BT ;)
Quote from: Declan on June 30, 2009, 09:07:06 AM
QuoteThats why Dublin are doomed before the game even starts if Daly opts to take a man out of the full-forward line (Kilkenny never follow the man out - they always leave an extra man back).
Sure you only want him to keep the 3 man FF line so that the Cats have more room in their HF line to absolutely go to town on the poor ould dubs BT ;)
I think its a given thats going to happen anyway (with Fallon out - though Boland deputised excellently well against Wexford).
Like I say, it should be about outscoring, not containment.
We're not good enough to outscore them- thats the bottom line. No team in the country is at present. I was at the league game in Nowlan Park aand it was nothing to do with the system that beat Dublin. Dublin beat themselves because they didn't believe they could win. So I still believe astute tactical plans can give Kilkenny problems. Cork have beaten them using tactics. But you have to have the players to do it and we don't have enough at present. You can go 15 on 15 - but the consequences could be horrible.
Don't anybody be under any illusions that Kilkenny won't be up for this on Sunday. They will want to bury Dublin into oblivion.
Ticket sales are reported to be very poor, only 7,500 sold to Dublin fans and I'd imagine KK will be lucky to bring 7,000 fans.
An awful pity the GAA haven't the cop to look at supply and demand and then substantially reduce ticket prices. Would increase both attendance and gate receipts. Also doesnt help that the footballers are playing both the week before and the week after (from both a financial and a getting a pass from herself point of view).
They know the attendance is going to be poor, why don't the GAA try to make it a family day and offer a special deal while also slashing prices to get bums on seats
be lucky to get 25,000. 35 euro for adults is absolutely ridiculous. They aren't going to make money on the game so why not run it to boost attendances..If the Gaa were left to market Coca Cola it would be bankrupt within 12 mths.
Quote from: EddieMerx on July 01, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
Ticket sales are reported to be very poor, only 7,500 sold to Dublin fans and I'd imagine KK will be lucky to bring 7,000 fans.
awfulynice will be delighted with this news as he only wanted 'real' hurling fans at the game. 20k max at the game i would expect.
Dont think people are interested in watching Dublin taking a pasting in a game that they may not have much interest in as football is the main show in most Dublin clubs
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Quote from: EddieMerx on July 01, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
Ticket sales are reported to be very poor, only 7,500 sold to Dublin fans and I'd imagine KK will be lucky to bring 7,000 fans.
awfulynice will be delighted with this news as he only wanted 'real' hurling fans at the game. 20k max at the game i would expect.
Dont think people are interested in watching Dublin taking a pasting in a game that they may not have much interest in as football is the main show in most Dublin clubs
I wont take the bait tankie....or no actually I will
No Im not delighted, and of course if you actualy read my points im sure you would be on the same side as me, who wants to sit next to pissheads when youve paid 20 -40 euro to try and watch a game??
As ive said in previous posts, the entry fee's are ridiculous, expecting a family to fork out €100 - €150 for tickets to watch a game is a real shocker. Hopefully the GAA will realise this and slash it to €20 or under for adults for future games im sure there would be much higher attendances.
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Quote from: EddieMerx on July 01, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
Ticket sales are reported to be very poor, only 7,500 sold to Dublin fans and I'd imagine KK will be lucky to bring 7,000 fans.
awfulynice will be delighted with this news as he only wanted 'real' hurling fans at the game. 20k max at the game i would expect.
Dont think people are interested in watching Dublin taking a pasting in a game that they may not have much interest in as football is the main show in most Dublin clubs
I wont take the bait tankie....or no actually I will
No Im not delighted, and of course if you actualy read my points im sure you would be on the same side as me, who wants to sit next to pissheads when youve paid 20 -40 euro to try and watch a game??
As ive said in previous posts, the entry fee's are ridiculous, expecting a family to fork out €100 - €150 for tickets to watch a game is a real shocker. Hopefully the GAA will realise this and slash it to €20 or under for adults for future games im sure there would be much higher attendances.
Nothing to do with bait, just saying that you were hoping the hill would not be blue and you have got your wish..
QuoteI pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game
so if you dont want so-called 'plastic' fans i would say 14k is a good attendance...
Quote from: Tankie on July 01, 2009, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: EddieMerx on July 01, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
Ticket sales are reported to be very poor, only 7,500 sold to Dublin fans and I'd imagine KK will be lucky to bring 7,000 fans.
awfulynice will be delighted with this news as he only wanted 'real' hurling fans at the game. 20k max at the game i would expect.
Dont think people are interested in watching Dublin taking a pasting in a game that they may not have much interest in as football is the main show in most Dublin clubs
A lot of the Dublin football fans have no interest in football either Tankie- its just that its easier for them to understand.
Football is losing ground in a lot of clubs. I've seen the participation numbers especially at juvenile. This is going to take some time before support will build up. Before Offaly made the breakthrough in the leinster final of 1980? - there was 9,000 at that game - 90% of them from kilkenny. I don't expect the dublin hurlers to have big numbers before they win anything. Thats the reality.
But at 35 euro- they've priced those with a passing interest out of the frame on sunday.
Quote from: Tankie on July 01, 2009, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: awfulynice on July 01, 2009, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Tankie on July 01, 2009, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: EddieMerx on July 01, 2009, 11:21:00 AM
Ticket sales are reported to be very poor, only 7,500 sold to Dublin fans and I'd imagine KK will be lucky to bring 7,000 fans.
awfulynice will be delighted with this news as he only wanted 'real' hurling fans at the game. 20k max at the game i would expect.
Dont think people are interested in watching Dublin taking a pasting in a game that they may not have much interest in as football is the main show in most Dublin clubs
I wont take the bait tankie....or no actually I will
No Im not delighted, and of course if you actualy read my points im sure you would be on the same side as me, who wants to sit next to pissheads when youve paid 20 -40 euro to try and watch a game??
As ive said in previous posts, the entry fee's are ridiculous, expecting a family to fork out €100 - €150 for tickets to watch a game is a real shocker. Hopefully the GAA will realise this and slash it to €20 or under for adults for future games im sure there would be much higher attendances.
Nothing to do with bait, just saying that you were hoping the hill would not be blue and you have got your wish..
QuoteI pray the hill isnt full of blue on the day as it will mean a pile of plastic dubs have shown up like they do for the football, they arent true supporters and will more than likely be too locked to even know the score by the end of the game
so if you dont want so-called 'plastic' fans i would say 14k is a good attendance...
Not talking with you anymore as you refuse to take my points and just use small quotes to try and exaggerate and twist my points, if youre going to counter my posts at least show the full post so that it can be shown in context.
On your post, it is clear we are talking about two different fans, you seem to think im talking about any fan that has a passing interest in the game being unwelcome as they are not "real" hurling fans, this is untrue. I was stating that I hoped that the stadium would not fill up with a pile of pissheads who couldnt tell a sliothar from a cricket ball.
On your second point saying that if i only wanted "real" hurling fans there that 14k is a good attendance. Now even as you wrote that you must have been having a little chuckle to yourself. There are 90 clubs in dublin with give or take 1000 people involved in each at a gestimate, making it 90k in dublin alone, and possibly another 60 - 70k in KK, so there are plenty of hurling fans that could fill the stadium, the problem is that the GAA seems to want to screw anyone that wants to go see a hurling/football match, especially in croker!!
If they were proactive, give say 1000 free tickets to each leinster county to get at least some footfall going, this could easily be distributed between clubs, also if they slashed the adult rate to maybe €20 per adult i would envisage you would at least double the attendance. All this would probably result in an attendance of 40 - 50,000 people.
Its too much to ask someone to fork out approx €100 on 70 minutes of hurling, then also have the hassle of traveling to and from dublin.
QuoteOn your second point saying that if i only wanted "real" hurling fans there that 14k is a good attendance. Now even as you wrote that you must have been having a little chuckle to yourself. There are 90 clubs in dublin with give or take 1000 people involved in each at a gestimate, making it 90k in dublin alone, and possibly another 60 - 70k in KK, so there are plenty of hurling fans that could fill the stadium, the problem is that the GAA seems to want to screw anyone that wants to go see a hurling/football match, especially in croker!!
but you seem to suggest in previous posts that most of teh people at big Dublin games are 'plastic' fan but in fact they are members of clubs who are only interested in going to big games like in every other county.
You talk about giving 1000 tickets to 'football' fans as if you are doing them a favour and showing them a foreign sport to them, these people are GAA people too and if they are interested or want to goto the game they should not be judged.
Yes there is a bandwagon of 'non GAA' people who go to inter-country games from all counties when success is there but we can hardly refuse them...I am not trying to wind you up or anything but some gaa people have little interest in hurling like 99% of Kilkenny has no interest in football but that does not mean if we want to attend a match we are piss heads or plastic fans.
Also the prices of the tickets is rediculous, the gaa are priceing the game as a final but have not realised that people are not very interested in it to pay that money....
Quote from: Tankie on July 02, 2009, 09:53:02 AM
99% of Kilkenny has no interest in football
what is the source of this assertion?
Its completely untrue. A lot of people in Kilkenny are very interested in football. Their championship is very competitive at its own level. Just because it doesn't translate to the county setup doesn't mean people aren't interested. Certain areas have a very strong football tradition with 2 clubs being football-only.
99%? Thats sounds like a very definitive statistic so if you'd care to share the source, I'll happily leave myself open to correction.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 01, 2009, 03:50:48 PM
Football is losing ground in a lot of clubs. I've seen the participation numbers especially at juvenile..
happily this is very true. Kids are far more interested in taking up hurling than football. My own club is traditionally a football club but over the past 5/6 years our underage setup in hurling has put football in the ha'penny place. I'd say thats typical of a lot of clubs, particularly the bigger ones.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 02, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: Tankie on July 02, 2009, 09:53:02 AM
99% of Kilkenny has no interest in football
what is the source of this assertion?
Its completely untrue. A lot of people in Kilkenny are very interested in football. Their championship is very competitive at its own level. Just because it doesn't translate to the county setup doesn't mean people aren't interested. Certain areas have a very strong football tradition with 2 clubs being football-only.
99%? Thats sounds like a very definitive statistic so if you'd care to share the source, I'll happily leave myself open to correction.
That is a myth I'm afraid. The clubs in kilkenny never train for the county football championshiip. It represents the same standard as 5 aside soccer in Dublin - I've seen it firsthand. There are no strong football clubs anymore. As as example of the regard for football in Kilkenny- in recent years the county football final has been subservient to the county minor final- in the sense that both teams turned up to at a pitch for a county final only to be told someone esle was playing a minor hulring match there!
To suggest football in Kilkenny is treated with any seriousness is incorrect. No other county gets away with promoting the other code at such a mickey mouse level than Kilkenny. Thats plain wrong IMO.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 10:43:04 AM
That is a myth I'm afraid. The clubs in kilkenny never train for the county football championshiip. It represents the same standard as 5 aside soccer in Dublin - I've seen it firsthand. There are no strong football clubs anymore. As as example of the regard for football in Kilkenny- in recent years the county football final has been subservient to the county minor final- in the sense that both teams turned up to at a pitch for a county final only to be told someone esle was playing a minor hulring match there!
To suggest football in Kilkenny is treated with any seriousness is incorrect. No other county gets away with promoting the other code at such a mickey mouse level than Kilkenny. Thats plain wrong IMO.
It is treated with seriousness. Maybe not relative to other counties, but those clubs in contention are all out for the championship. And it is completed before the hurling starts in order for the hurling not to prove a distraction. A lot of games are played midweek under lights, and most of the current senior hurling panel play football with their club. Muckalee, Erins Own, Railyard, Glenmore and Dunamaggin, to name a few, treat their football seriously.
The football panel was making decent progress last year. They had a great victory over London in the league and had a couple of close run things in other games. Their sights were set on the Leinster junior championship which didn't go so well for them. This year they lost 2 of their best players to the hurling panel - Micheal Grace and David Herity.
Yes, its very much second fiddle to hurling. I wouldn't deny that for a second. But is that any different to hurling in most other counties? Is hurling in Donegal, Leitrim or Louth, better treated than football in Kilkenny? Remember also, they have tieried championships to compete in in hurling. No such facility is available to weaker teams in football. A senior team competing in the junior championship isn't the most inspiring thing in the world for its players, so if anything, extra kudos should be afforded the Kilkenny football panel than hurling panels as mentioned.
People have this perception that the Kilkenny football panel is made up of hurlers with spare time. To an extent thats true. I doubt theres a single player on the panel who doesn't play hurling. Several players are star hurlers for their clubs. But why is that so wrong? No other county encourages dual stars. Kilkenny is actually one county that facilitates lads playing senior hurling and football (at club level anyway). Yep, the standard is poor, but as said before, is it any poorer than hurling in most counties? The thing about football is that Kilkenny are out there on their own in how poor they are. In hurling there are several weak counties, so there isn't the same spotlight on any single county as there is on the Kilkenny footballers. And, tell me the name of any other county whose football team is populated by even a small number of lads from hurling clubs? It doesn't exist. Every other county has a definite split between hurling and football clubs. Their football team is made up of lads (with the occasional exception admittedly) from football clubs, and likewise the hurling team with lads from hurling clubs. Kilkenny is unique in that it doesn't have such a clear-cut split.
Incidently, the Kilkenny football panel has more all-Ireland medals among its ranks than most football teams. Yep, they're hurling medals, but still........
Read the local papers in Kilkenny because I do regularly. And there have been several controversies regarding Kilkenny football and the laughable treatment of it by the county board. Last year there was a huge row over it.
The Leinster junior championship didn't go well because the hurling clubs wouldn't release players for training.
Hurling in those counties has more of a standing than Kilkenny football but thats not saying much- but at least its better than Kilkenny football.
Kilkenny doesn't facilitate any of thier footballers.
That doesn't bother me- what bothers me is that every other county is pressurised by HQ to promote both codes- but Kilkenny aren't because of the political power they have in the GAA. That does annoy me.
Quote from: Tankie on July 02, 2009, 09:53:02 AM
QuoteOn your second point saying that if i only wanted "real" hurling fans there that 14k is a good attendance. Now even as you wrote that you must have been having a little chuckle to yourself. There are 90 clubs in dublin with give or take 1000 people involved in each at a gestimate, making it 90k in dublin alone, and possibly another 60 - 70k in KK, so there are plenty of hurling fans that could fill the stadium, the problem is that the GAA seems to want to screw anyone that wants to go see a hurling/football match, especially in croker!!
but you seem to suggest in previous posts that most of teh people at big Dublin games are 'plastic' fan but in fact they are members of clubs who are only interested in going to big games like in every other county.
You talk about giving 1000 tickets to 'football' fans as if you are doing them a favour and showing them a foreign sport to them, these people are GAA people too and if they are interested or want to goto the game they should not be judged.
Yes there is a bandwagon of 'non GAA' people who go to inter-country games from all counties when success is there but we can hardly refuse them...I am not trying to wind you up or anything but some gaa people have little interest in hurling like 99% of Kilkenny has no interest in football but that does not mean if we want to attend a match we are piss heads or plastic fans.
Also the prices of the tickets is rediculous, the gaa are priceing the game as a final but have not realised that people are not very interested in it to pay that money....
I didnt suggest that most dublin fans were plastic, in fact i was saying the opposite, if you reread my post i said that they were a minority but a sizeable minority that ruin the game.
I never suggested that you give 1000 tickets to "football" fans, again reread my post, i said give 1000 tickets to each leinster county to be distributed to the clubs to get a footfall into croke park on sunday. I never mentioned football at all in that paragraph!!!
Im well aware that some GAA people have little interest in hurling, my own county is split 50 / 50 between hurling and football clubs, I myself have very little interest in football and only go to my own countys games to show support, but to be honest with you, i wouldnt turn over the channel to watch another football match from may to september. I can hardly expect other people to do what I wont do myself! That why I never suggested anything of the sort in my post, again you are reading what you want to out of my posts
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
Read the local papers in Kilkenny because I do regularly. And there have been several controversies regarding Kilkenny football and the laughable treatment of it by the county board. Last year there was a huge row over it.
The Leinster junior championship didn't go well because the hurling clubs wouldn't release players for training.
Hurling in those counties has more of a standing than Kilkenny football but thats not saying much- but at least its better than Kilkenny football.
Kilkenny doesn't facilitate any of thier footballers.
That doesn't bother me- what bothers me is that every other county is pressurised by HQ to promote both codes- but Kilkenny aren't because of the political power they have in the GAA. That does annoy me.
I think that if most of the players are dual players it would be hard to get them released for training as the codes are bound to clash. This issue has come up in many counties, im pretty sure there were a number of Dublin players that played both codes until choosing one or the other. I know there is Stephen Lucey in Limerick & a few others i cant think of right now, that were in the same boat.
At the end of the day it is up to the player, and you cant blame a KK player that has the chance to play senior for his county hurling team choosing that over the football.
In fairness to the clubs also, if a player is on the panel /s you will only have that player at training perhaps once a month. This causes any amount of disruptions for numbers at training, standard and team building. It is understandable that they would like to keep their players as much as possible.
However the KK football team is probably treated worse than the hurling team. This favouritism happens in possibly / probably most counties. Try to convince me that the Dublin hurlers are/ were always treated the same as the footballers?? Or Kerry Hurlers, Tipp Footballers, Waterford footballers, Tyrone Hurlers etc. It is natural to focus the countys resourses on the code you are most succesful at, whether that is right or not i dont know.
Thats not what I was saying at all. Every county has a stronger code but pressure is put on to ensure they put some effort into the other code. No pressure is put on Kilkenny by HQ about football- I just want to know why.
Not difficult really then to see the influence as regards referees etc that they have.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 11:31:53 AM
Thats not what I was saying at all. Every county has a stronger code but pressure is put on to ensure they put some effort into the other code. No pressure is put on Kilkenny by HQ about football- I just want to know why.
Not difficult really then to see the influence as regards referees etc that they have.
In fairness where is there pressure put on the county board to level the playing field?? I dont see this happening anywhere. The GAA has been speaking a lot about helping hurling out, but has been focusing on the likes of Antrim / Laois / Dublin, which have hurling backgrounds anyway. There is no pressure put on the Antrim / Laois / Dublin county boards to treat the hurlers & footballers the same, none that i can see anyway??
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 11:31:53 AM
Thats not what I was saying at all. Every county has a stronger code but pressure is put on to ensure they put some effort into the other code. No pressure is put on Kilkenny by HQ about football- I just want to know why.
Its not to do with influence. Its to do with there not being a source of pressure.
If football were neglected in Galway, for example, there'd be uproar from the footballing side of the county. That would be brought to bear by Croke Park after pressure from within, and steps would have to be made to rectify things.
That was my point about there not being a split in Kilkenny. No one's nose is out of joint over the fact that they're poor as hell at football. There is no area of Kilkenny that feels marginalised by the fact that they're not better and no visible steps are being taken to change things to make it so. And this is a situation that is unique to Kilkenny. In any other county you have areas that are hurling and areas that are football (and occasionally areas that are both). In Kilkenny the strong football areas are also hurling areas. Thats why Kilkenny should get credit for the fact that they have a football team at all.
I'm quite close to the Kilkenny football setup. I know the manager well. He was a little dejected this year for sure but it wasn't to do with resources. They got everything they needed from the board. They were well looked after in that regard. The wheels started to come of a little when Herity and Grace joined the hurling panel. And yes, part of the reason they went so poorly in the Leinster junior is because the clubs had started back hurling training. But to be honest, I think their main goal was a good showing in the league. They did reasonably ok last year. They were dire this year. I'm not sure what next year will hold, but no matter what (and this came from Nicky Brennan himself when he was president), its highly unlikely Kilkenny will ever be allowed not have a senior football team.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 11:31:53 AM
Thats not what I was saying at all. Every county has a stronger code but pressure is put on to ensure they put some effort into the other code. No pressure is put on Kilkenny by HQ about football- I just want to know why.
Sometimes thats irrelevant though. Look at Cork. They're generally stronger in hurling than football and pretty much always have been. For some reason though, the footballers always got treated better than the hurlers (remember the first strike?).
I'm not sure what things are like in Galway but to me the football and hurling setup seem like 2 completely separate entities where one doesn't impact the other in the slightest. Football would be traditionally stronger there, but I don't get the impression that the hurlers are left wanting for much.
Dublin have a chequered past in that regard. I think things are fine now. They weren't so great under Naughton or Kelleher. When Mick O'Grady was there he demanded that they be well looked after, and he got his wish. They had everything they needed back then. So its been up and down.
I played on Dublin teams and we were told by the board that the amount of gear we were going to get depended on how far the football went went. Needless to say we were all hoping they'd be knocked out as soon as possible.
If you look at Kerry - hurling shouldn't exist at all- but it does. And they are reasonably good- relatively speaking obviously. I'm just saying giving Kilkenny a carte blanche on the hurling does contribute to their utter hurling domination to some extent. I know Paul Galvin missed the odd county football session because he had to play a club championship hurling game. That wouldn't happen in kilkenny.
12,500 sold as of this evening - another 10k for corporate and they're expecting another 5k or so to buy tickets between now and then..
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
If you look at Kerry - hurling shouldn't exist at all- but it does. And they are reasonably good- relatively speaking obviously. I'm just saying giving Kilkenny a carte blanche on the hurling does contribute to their utter hurling domination to some extent. I know Paul Galvin missed the odd county football session because he had to play a club championship hurling game. That wouldn't happen in kilkenny.
still not apples and apples though. Kerry has plenty of hurling country on the outskirts of Tralee (Abbeydorney, etc). You don't really get Kilmoyley or Lixnaw lads playing with the footballers.
Anyway, we digress. The original claim was that 99% of people in Kilkenny have no interest in football. By my reckoning thats far from the truth.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 02, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
If you look at Kerry - hurling shouldn't exist at all- but it does. And they are reasonably good- relatively speaking obviously. I'm just saying giving Kilkenny a carte blanche on the hurling does contribute to their utter hurling domination to some extent. I know Paul Galvin missed the odd county football session because he had to play a club championship hurling game. That wouldn't happen in kilkenny.
hurling shouldnt exist at all in Kerry?? Ummm id say there are quite a few that would disagree with you on that one, they have one all ireland and have some quite competitive clubs and schools, an example is Causeway in the schools competition they are generally one of the better teams in munster.
Also their team is not good, I would rank them about 14 or 15th in terms of hurling at the moment. They are not treated particularly well as i have seen when they have traveled to play offaly on a few occasions in the past few years.
Paul Galvin missed a few training sessions...now are you really trying to tell me that if we had the likes of Henry Shefflin missing what 4 or 5 training sessions in the year that it would make the difference between KK winning or losing an AI???
Im afraid my friend you and some others on this forum are going to have to face up to the truth
There is no conspiracy, no favouritism either inside or outside of KK, no backhanders, no carte blanche.
KK are the best hurling team in this country and have been for probably the last 5 - 10 years. They are because they have got a gifted crop of players together, not unlike Clare or Offaly in the nineties, sure there underage structures played a part and the fact that hurling is more a religion than a sport was also a factor. But Im afraid you cant make people like football / hurling. The simple fact is that the majority of people love hurling and prefer it over football.
The argument you are making now could be made against Dublin 5 years ago, or any other number of counties for that matter
Quote from: heffo on July 02, 2009, 10:09:54 PM
12,500 sold as of this evening - another 10k for corporate and they're expecting another 5k or so to buy tickets between now and then..
I'm guessing the upper tiers will be closed. They've done that for the past few Leinster hurling finals, leaving the capacity at 40K or so.
Circa 30k at the game could still feel very empty. Its a shame this wasn't moved to a ground that might lend itself to a better atmosphere (Portlaoise, Thurles).
Quote from: awfulynice on July 03, 2009, 08:49:04 AM
hurling shouldnt exist at all in Kerry??
I think its a lot easier for hurling to exist in Kerry than for football to do likewise in Kerry. As said before, they contest a championship that they have a chance of actually winning. They have a chance of a Croke Park appearance on all-Ireland semi-final day (assuming the GAA are reverting those fixtures back to the way they were). They dropped out of the Munster hurling championship.
So there are a few parallels between the Kerry hurlers and Kilkenny footballers. But there are differences too. And those differences tend to favour Kerry's chances of building a half decent hurling team.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 03, 2009, 08:49:16 AM
Quote from: heffo on July 02, 2009, 10:09:54 PM
12,500 sold as of this evening - another 10k for corporate and they're expecting another 5k or so to buy tickets between now and then..
I'm guessing the upper tiers will be closed. They've done that for the past few Leinster hurling finals, leaving the capacity at 40K or so.
Circa 30k at the game could still feel very empty. Its a shame this wasn't moved to a ground that might lend itself to a better atmosphere (Portlaoise, Thurles).
It couldn't be moved to a provincial ground due to commercial commitments with sponsors and people who'd bought 10 year premium tickets etc..
Quote from: heffo on July 03, 2009, 08:59:17 AM
It couldn't be moved to a provincial ground due to commercial commitments with sponsors and people who'd bought 10 year premium tickets etc..
yep, the GAA have left themselves slaves to the corporate sector. They have to guarantee X amount of games per year.
By the way, is the ticket office at the back of the Cusack still open these times? Or where do they do the public sale from nowadays?
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 03, 2009, 09:35:40 AM
yep, the GAA have left themselves slaves to the corporate sector. They have to guarantee X amount of games per year.
By the way, is the ticket office at the back of the Cusack still open these times? Or where do they do the public sale from nowadays?
New GAA ticket office is on Dorset st, 2 doors up from The Red Parrot pub.
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on July 03, 2009, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on July 03, 2009, 09:35:40 AM
yep, the GAA have left themselves slaves to the corporate sector. They have to guarantee X amount of games per year.
By the way, is the ticket office at the back of the Cusack still open these times? Or where do they do the public sale from nowadays?
New GAA ticket office is on Dorset st, 2 doors up from The Red Parrot pub.
cheers. Yeah I just heard that. And I just heard that they only take cash. Good to see them moving with the times!
Kilkenny shud hammer dublin,but being frm galway hopefully it wil b a win 4 Dublin
Hope to head in on Sunday and I'm sure the dubs will give a good account of themselves.Realistically if they stay within 7/8 points of Kilkenny it'll be an achievement
Realistically, Kilkenny should hammer Dublin, Dublin, like most, aren't anywhere near Kilkenny. If they manage to get any sort of result against KK, then something will need to go terribly wrong for KK and Dublin will need to be perfect.
Dublin aren't near Kilkenny, no one really is, and to be blunt, bar a miracle Kilkenny will go through comfortably, probably hammer Dublin.
A lot will depend on how much of a fight Dublin will put up, if their attitude, which has been the attitude of all Leinster teams really when the play KK, is to keep the score down then it'll be a mascre, but if they give a fair old lash at it, then the game really will depend on Kilkenny, and how much of an effort Kilkenny put in, and how accurate they are.
If both teams play to their best there is no question about who'll win. Logic says it'll be a hammering. But hopefully Dublin will put up a fight and then well, when has logic ever applied to hurling.
Ok - time to nail the colours to the mast -
Kilkenny have been here before many, many times - they're not going to be complacent today - pressure is on Dublin to give a good account of themselves - that's all the pressure they have -
Kilkenny will have too much for them all over the field - Dublin and the big pitch ???
I expect it to be tight enough for about 40 -45 minutes and KK to pull away after that.
Kilkenny by 10 points.
not looking good for the Dubs.....KK doing their usual build up of points and before a team knows it they are 7 points down...
Come on Dublin.
anyone a link?
This game is over. KK not letting up.
tv3 are streaming it
Ref making a game of it -
1-10 to 0-7 at half time - Dublin lucky to be only 6 behind.
Dublin need to be careful - Kilkenny finish strong and could get hammered if they don't "front up" ( new expression apparently ).
29,427 in Croker.
umm Dublin are staying in it just about. I really cant see them winning, all the play is pretty much in their half. Dublin are worked really hard and are still 6 points down, I can see them tiring 20 - 25 minutes into the second half and kk might pull away
ok crowd at the match
Excellent crowd for a game most believe would be a foregone conclusion
Quote from: Tankie on July 05, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
tv3 are streaming it
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http://www.justin.tv/iraq101
password "iraqgoals"
Good feed.
Quote from: Square Ball on July 05, 2009, 04:45:08 PM
Quote from: Tankie on July 05, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
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Come on Dublin.
Comerford goal
Kilkenny 2-16 Dublin 0-15
Comerford 2-4 so far
Dublin doing rightly, slightly slower pace that the Galway game (due to the 7 man defence) Kilkenny know how to get goals though and thats the difference. what a shot save and what a miss from Comerford
Well done KK - Hard luck to Dublin who gave KK a real game of it.
Dublin have some beautiful hurlers and their spirit was unreal.
The goals were killers - KK know how to get goals and the goals were the difference.
Really enjoyed what i seen of it, second half, some fantastic points taken and the intensity of the game was great. thought Kilkenny would have way too much but the dubs stuck to their task and has a go at them.
Really enjoyed the game (especially as Jimmy Keavney was sitting next to me) - Dublin gave a very good account of themselves and can look forward with optimism to the qualifiers.
KK are so clinical and really punish any hesitancy or mistakes - I think any Dublin supporter would've taken a six point defeat before the game.
Good to hear the Dublin fans get right behind their team, it was evident from the start that any positive contributions would be cheered on enthusiastically. Even at the final whistle they sang away, so much for bandwagoners, they showed their appreciation of the efforts put in and also of what potential there is to step up again from this.
This Leinster title must mean so much more to Kilkenny that the previous few as they got 2 tough competitive matches from Galway and Dublin and not the cakewalk of recent years. Good to note also that the games in Leinster from semis on were tight close affairs, maybe hurling is in better shape than some may lead us believe.
Fair play to Dublin, players and fans.
Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all. But Dublin really put it up to them, and it was the goals that killed Dublin in the end.
Fair play though, a great game.
Quote from: Reillers on July 05, 2009, 09:33:55 PM
Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
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Quote from: Reillers on July 05, 2009, 09:33:55 PM
Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
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Quote from: Reillers on July 05, 2009, 09:33:55 PM
Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
Delighted with the lads today. Got pissed on on the Hill and had to listen to some insufferable louts from Kilkenny but it was a good day. Hardly got a wink of sleep last night fearing an annilaition but thankfully that never materialised. Think we're beyond that stage now but we still have some way to go before we are winning championships.
We were never going to win the game with the tactics used but going 15 on 15 conventionally is not an option with kilkenny. We're not good enough to beat them yet and I think Daly played a blinder tactically. We gave a very creditable performance, our young lads got great experience, and we proved to the hurling snobs out there - we're no longer a bunch of whipping boys.
Had we got a hiding today, we'd be dreading the quarter final.
Thought 30,000 was a great game for a horrible wet day and a near expected win for Kilkenny.
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
Maybe they were off the pace because they weren't let play Reillers. Maybe that never occurred to you. Or maybe Kilkenny are sliding a tad. I think they will win the all-ireland this year- but I actually can see a few cracks in their team for the coming years.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
Maybe they were off the pace because they weren't let play Reillers. Maybe that never occurred to you. Or maybe Kilkenny are sliding a tad. I think they will win the all-ireland this year- but I actually can see a few cracks in their team for the coming years.
The cracks are definitely starting to appear.
Cody was doing his damndest today to beat Dublin by as many as he could and kill the game as a contest but Dublin refused to lie down.
The writing is starting to appear on the wall for this great KK team. Wterfotd in the league, Tipp in league final and Galway a few weeks back and now Dublin.
Ok only Waterford of those 4 games beat them, but it's nearing the end for them.
Cork to re-emerge ! ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
Maybe they were off the pace because they weren't let play Reillers. Maybe that never occurred to you. Or maybe Kilkenny are sliding a tad. I think they will win the all-ireland this year- but I actually can see a few cracks in their team for the coming years.
I never said any of that wasn't an option, but Kilkenny were off pace, for whatever reason. Same way Dublin were excellent like I said, theit determination, their heart, their attitude, the way they were willing to die on the ball and not sit back in awe, and something that's different from other years, they weren't afraid of Kilkenny, they didn't go in with a, lets keep the score down, attitude, they didn't fear Kilkenny so they shouldn't fear anyone else. And there was an impressive Dublin crowd at the game roaring them on which was great.
And a lot of people, myself included (and that's a lot coming from Cork) hope Dublin do well this year..just not against Cork.
It'd be good for them and the game in general, clearly they'll be around in the future and I wouldn't fancy, if we get there, coming up against Dublin at all in the quarters. I can see them taking a few scalps yet. Just hopefully not Cork's. ;)
And I do think Kilkenny are slidding a bit, well in that match anyway, or just haven't aimed to peak for that match, whichever, but they made some sloppy, uncharacteristic mistakes. But it's the start of July, and no doubt Cody will have them running well come the serious days out. And also, it doesn't matter how many "cracks" appear in certain areas of the field, or how many players have off days, Kilkenny have such a strong squad that someone will always pull it out of the bag for them, they might have been a bit off it today, but as long as they can score goals they'll win matches.
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Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
Maybe they were off the pace because they weren't let play Reillers. Maybe that never occurred to you. Or maybe Kilkenny are sliding a tad. I think they will win the all-ireland this year- but I actually can see a few cracks in their team for the coming years.
The cracks are definitely starting to appear. Ammm no anyday you can win a leinster final with your best player (henry shefflin) not scoring from play is a good day
Cody was doing his damndest today to beat Dublin by as many as he could and kill the game as a contest but Dublin refused to lie down. True dublin showed great fighting spirit, not sure if we can be certain Cody was looking to beat dublin by as much as possible, might be looking to lose the certain favourites tag
The writing is starting to appear on the wall for this great KK team. Wterfotd in the league, Tipp in league final and Galway a few weeks back and now Dublin. What a really ridiculous comment,they lost one game in the league, and missing some vital players managed to overcome the other contenders by 5 - 6 points, Rather I would say the writing is on the wall for the rest of the teams
Ok only Waterford of those 4 games beat them, but it's nearing the end for them. As above, no basis in this argument, and believe me id love to believe it aswell, but this KK team definately has another 2-3 years at the top
Cork to re-emerge ! ;)
Were you at the match last night?? Cork certainly wont be re-emerging this year unless they make a massive improvement, and i certainly cant see them being within an asses roar of kilkenny this year
Hats off to the lads yesterday - great effort and the fact that they kept hurling until the 72nd minute is great. The goals killed us and Comerford's finishing was top drawer. I got the "ah sure Kilkenny weren't really trying stuff" last night as well. Utter nonsense in my opinion. The Dubs gave it their all and just came up short. A pity that Dotsie had such an off day but the 5 man forward line had a lot to do with the lack of scores. Great to hear the support as well especially at the end of the match.
Quotehad to listen to some insufferable louts from Kilkenny
- There was a couple of right yokes beside me in the Cusack as well. Jaysus talk about ungracious winners but anyway didn't let them spoil my enjoyment of the match- Hope we can kick on from here and good to see Anto's obvious disappointment in the interview after the game
QuoteKilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Well I hope to sweet jesus they don't peak when they meet Cork again.
Yesterday was a great day for Leinster Hurling, a fact that was clearly acknowledged by all of the Kilkenny players when the final whistle was blown and almost every one of them to a man went to their opponents and took the time to appreciate the effort the Dubs have put in. Dublin have now raised the bar for Laois, Offaly and Wexford and this is a young team, one only 18yrs, who are still in the championship in July and who would have thought that two years ago.
Had a smile at Cody's reply to the journalist in the Tribune or Indo yesterday when asked "Did he think that Tommy Walsh was hurling too close to the edge" with regard to him being close to getting a second yellow against Galway. Cody's reply was, "No, but I'd be fairly worried if he was not hurling close to the edge". !
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Hats off to the lads yesterday - great effort and the fact that they kept hurling until the 72nd minute is great. The goals killed us and Comerford's finishing was top drawer. I got the "ah sure Kilkenny weren't really trying stuff" last night as well. Utter nonsense in my opinion. The Dubs gave it their all and just came up short. A pity that Dotsie had such an off day but the 5 man forward line had a lot to do with the lack of scores. Great to hear the support as well especially at the end of the match.
Quotehad to listen to some insufferable louts from Kilkenny
- There was a couple of right yokes beside me in the Cusack as well. Jaysus talk about ungracious winners but anyway didn't let them spoil my enjoyment of the match- Hope we can kick on from here and good to see Anto's obvious disappointment in the interview after the game
Yeah it was a good effort from dublin, their workrate was immense, probably the one real thing that kept them in the game at stages yesterday. On Dotsie, he was very dissapointing at times aswell yesterday, especially when he drifted out to the midfield area, there was 2 - 3 occasions inside 5 minutes where he took on the KK defence when there was no need, a simple pass was 5 yards away and a chance of a point, but he went alone, gets dispossed and i think 2 of the 3 occasions resulted in scores. A brilliant player yes but he seems to have a tendancy to want to do everything himself, he needs to learn to be a little less selfish imo. It will be very interesting to see who Dublin get in the quarter final and how they would fare against the likes of Tipp. I could see them giving them a right game, Tipp are probably more gifted but Dublin will be able to stay with Tipp when they try one of their flying starts, and probably more than stay with them tempo wise for the rest of the game should give them a chance.
On the couple of louts, All you can do is ignore them, then hope you meet them to prove them wrong in september!!
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
You continue to post off a badly-rehearsed script.
I'm not 'looking for a fight' - you posted that Dublin's performance was due to KK being 'tired' and KK not playing well - your standard refrain for anyone who disagrees with you is 'You know nothing about Hurling' - it's funny how no one else be it analyst or journalist has commented on this KK tiredness at the start of July - so I'll re-iterate my point that it was an ungracious comment from you - same as your comment about Offaly on Friday..
All I want to do is talk hurling - if you continue to talk shi*e though, I'm going to call you on it
QuoteOn the couple of louts, All you can do is ignore them, then hope you meet them to prove them wrong in september!!
Without using the old cliche, every county has them and Kilkenny have very few of them. However, they have a small problem with the few they have and in recent years this crowd, about twenty five or thirty of them congregate up at the back wall of the Cusack side of Hill 16 and they were trying to cause trouble against Waterford and Cork last year. On the last occasion the stewards dealt with them but as we all know, they do not represent Kilkenny supporters.
It was great to see the Dubs play with heart and passion, the result was never in doubt but unlike most counties the heads never went down and they stuck to the task of playing for 70 mins. Leinster hurling is alive and kicking
Well done Dublin, and congratulations to the Cats again. In 20 years time we'll only be able to look back and shake our heads at what this team is doing at the moment. I know this may be lazy analysis but did anyone else see a touch of the Clares in Dublin? Every ball on the ground became a scrum, which obviously helped slow the Kilkenny forwards down. Conditions may have been a factor, but I thought Dublin had a real intention of committing men to the 'ruck', to borrow a rugbyism.
Kilkenny usually come away with those balls before it has a chance to develop, but yesterday they were getting tied up in the close quarters stuff. Again with Kilkenny, the goals at vital times were the real difference. Comerford's second was a real game winner at a time when they looked like they were at least a bit rattled.
I hope Dublin kick on from this now. I don't think there's any reason why they can't go to a semi final at least.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
Maybe they were off the pace because they weren't let play Reillers. Maybe that never occurred to you. Or maybe Kilkenny are sliding a tad. I think they will win the all-ireland this year- but I actually can see a few cracks in their team for the coming years.
I don't think Kilkenny will win the All Ireland this year. I have no real rationale behind that statement, but I just get the feeling that perhaps they are a little bit off the boil. Maybe they will find another gear in August and September, but I think they are primed for the right team to take them. It could be Tipp, if Tipp learn the ruthlessness that you need to put teams away when you are on top, or it could well be Cork. Galway and Waterford will also suddenly be sniffing the air.
Not so sure- I think Cody will make several changes for the SEMI FINAL. I think hIckey will be back at full back which will release JJ to wing back. Cha will come in as well. I think TJ may come in come front and Richie Hogan may also get a shot at it. he has the capacity to make changes. A lot of teams don't. Being on the road for quite a stretch does catcup eventually.
But I don't see any team out there this year good enough to beat them.
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Quote from: INDIANA on July 05, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
Maybe they were off the pace because they weren't let play Reillers. Maybe that never occurred to you. Or maybe Kilkenny are sliding a tad. I think they will win the all-ireland this year- but I actually can see a few cracks in their team for the coming years.
I don't think Kilkenny will win the All Ireland this year. I have no real rationale behind that statement, but I just get the feeling that perhaps they are a little bit off the boil. Maybe they will find another gear in August and September, but I think they are primed for the right team to take them. It could be Tipp, if Tipp learn the ruthlessness that you need to put teams away when you are on top, or it could well be Cork. Galway and Waterford will also suddenly be sniffing the air.
Im afraid id completely disagree with you on that statement. I think KK will win the AI this year.
Galway they have already beaten...missing 5 players, with Galway completely on form so i just cant see Galway being able to stick with them in an AI final
Tipp again threw everything at KK, they have shown twice this year that they fade out of games for 15 - 20 mins, do that against KK and you find yourself 10 - 15 points down as they dont fade out like other teams
Cork are in no shape to challenge KK at the moment. I would find it incredible if they are collecting liam mccarthy in september.
Waterford. Perhaps the best suited team to match KK, they have a point to prove, beat them in the league and can improve further. It will take a lot for them to beat KK but i think they might just have a chance
But no matter what way you put it, KK have beaten Tipp and Galway by 5-6 points, and hammered Cork in the league, albeit the strike may have hampered Corks performance.
Waterford in my view aren't good enough to beat kilkenny. Think they'd get within 5/6 points but won't beat them.
Tipp if they sort out the defence would have the best chance in my view.
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
You continue to post off a badly-rehearsed script.
I'm not 'looking for a fight' - you posted that Dublin's performance was due to KK being 'tired' and KK not playing well - your standard refrain for anyone who disagrees with you is 'You know nothing about Hurling' - it's funny how no one else be it analyst or journalist has commented on this KK tiredness at the start of July - so I'll re-iterate my point that it was an ungracious comment from you - same as your comment about Offaly on Friday..
All I want to do is talk hurling - if you continue to talk shi*e though, I'm going to call you on it
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and I made it crystal clear in the post under it.
Look whenever you and Bud (who can't go a post without moaning about Cork) are ready to stop crying and bitching and looking for fights. Maybe then we can talk about the game, but at the moment you're too obsessed with being right, and getting the upper hand. Like I said if you want to post more of the crap you've been posting instead of talking about the game, go do it on AFR there's plenty of them there I hear. Mostly WUMs and people who moan about almost everything, you'd fit in just fine.
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
You continue to post off a badly-rehearsed script.
I'm not 'looking for a fight' - you posted that Dublin's performance was due to KK being 'tired' and KK not playing well - your standard refrain for anyone who disagrees with you is 'You know nothing about Hurling' - it's funny how no one else be it analyst or journalist has commented on this KK tiredness at the start of July - so I'll re-iterate my point that it was an ungracious comment from you - same as your comment about Offaly on Friday..
All I want to do is talk hurling - if you continue to talk shi*e though, I'm going to call you on it
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and I made it crystal clear in the post under it.
Look whenever you and Bud (who can't go a post without moaning about Cork) are ready to stop crying and bitching and looking for fights. Maybe then we can talk about the game, but at the moment you're too obsessed with being right, and getting the upper hand. Like I said if you want to post more of the crap you've been posting instead of talking about the game, go do it on AFR there's plenty of them there I hear. Mostly WUMs and people who moan about almost everything, you'd fit in just fine.
I am talking about hurling Reillers lad - you're going off on a solo run which no-one has alluded to and ungraciously putting Dublin's performance down to KK being 'tired'
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
You continue to post off a badly-rehearsed script.
I'm not 'looking for a fight' - you posted that Dublin's performance was due to KK being 'tired' and KK not playing well - your standard refrain for anyone who disagrees with you is 'You know nothing about Hurling' - it's funny how no one else be it analyst or journalist has commented on this KK tiredness at the start of July - so I'll re-iterate my point that it was an ungracious comment from you - same as your comment about Offaly on Friday..
All I want to do is talk hurling - if you continue to talk shi*e though, I'm going to call you on it
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and I made it crystal clear in the post under it.
Look whenever you and Bud (who can't go a post without moaning about Cork) are ready to stop crying and bitching and looking for fights. Maybe then we can talk about the game, but at the moment you're too obsessed with being right, and getting the upper hand. Like I said if you want to post more of the crap you've been posting instead of talking about the game, go do it on AFR there's plenty of them there I hear. Mostly WUMs and people who moan about almost everything, you'd fit in just fine.
I am talking about hurling Reillers lad - you're going off on a solo run which no-one has alluded to and ungraciously putting Dublin's performance down to KK being 'tired'
No you're not, you're highlighting one line from my post, taking it completley out of context and trying to stirr shite with it. I've made it clear that I thought Dublin were excellent, and if that's not clear from the post where you highlighted the line, it's perfectly clear from the one bellow it. So just stop. Like I said, if you want to continue to do what you're doing feck off to AFR or something, you'd fit in well. Mainly people who WUM and cry about everything, all the time (or so I hear.) You'd love it.
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
You continue to post off a badly-rehearsed script.
I'm not 'looking for a fight' - you posted that Dublin's performance was due to KK being 'tired' and KK not playing well - your standard refrain for anyone who disagrees with you is 'You know nothing about Hurling' - it's funny how no one else be it analyst or journalist has commented on this KK tiredness at the start of July - so I'll re-iterate my point that it was an ungracious comment from you - same as your comment about Offaly on Friday..
All I want to do is talk hurling - if you continue to talk shi*e though, I'm going to call you on it
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and I made it crystal clear in the post under it.
Look whenever you and Bud (who can't go a post without moaning about Cork) are ready to stop crying and bitching and looking for fights. Maybe then we can talk about the game, but at the moment you're too obsessed with being right, and getting the upper hand. Like I said if you want to post more of the crap you've been posting instead of talking about the game, go do it on AFR there's plenty of them there I hear. Mostly WUMs and people who moan about almost everything, you'd fit in just fine.
I am talking about hurling Reillers lad - you're going off on a solo run which no-one has alluded to and ungraciously putting Dublin's performance down to KK being 'tired'
No you're not, you're highlighting one line from my post, taking it completley out of context and trying to stirr shite with it. I've made it clear that I thought Dublin were excellent, and if that's not clear from the post where you highlighted the line, it's perfectly clear from the one bellow it. So just stop. Like I said, if you want to continue to do what you're doing feck off to AFR or something, you'd fit in well. Mainly people who WUM and cry about everything, all the time (or so I hear.) You'd love it.
Will you come off that script for once?
You said Dublin were excellent and then qualified that comment by saying KK were tired and weren't up to their normal standard as they were 'tired'
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2009, 11:34:43 AM
You said Dublin were excellent and then qualified that comment by saying KK were tired and weren't up to their normal standard as they were 'tired'
I think its quite evident that was the case. KK did look lethargic (but not for a minute like they weren't trying - they were, hard).
But Dublin were playing with 1 hand tied behind their back in the shape of those negative Daly tactics. I just wonder when people are going to call enough on this. If Dublin contest the next 3 Leinster finals against Kilkenny and deploy the same tactics (these tactics cost Dublin vital league points against KK and Tipp in my view), they'll come up short in a similar fashion every time. At what stage does an honourable defeat become tired? At what point to people ask that the most talented bunch of hurlers in Dublin since 1991 be let off the leash and be allowed to express themselves as they no doubt can? At what point do these tactics stop being 'safety first' from a Dublin point of view and be viewed as self-serving from an Anthony Daly point of view (because its starting to look that way to me now).
Kilkenny scored 2-18 against Dublin while playing those tactics. Dublin scored 0-18. 2 things I think we can safely ascertain from the situation, had Dublin not employed McCaffrey in such a negative role. Kilkenny would have scored slightly more (really, they wouldn't have scored a whole lot more). Dublin would have scored a lot more. Would it have been enough to win? Maybe. Maybe not. Would Dublin have had a chance of winning? Yes, absolutely. Did Dublin have a chance of winning yesterday? In my view, no.
I'm willing to give Daly the benefit of the doubt though, it being his first year and all. He has instilled a great sense of self-belief in this set of players, which is all the more remarkable given the tactics he then asks them to go out and employ. He is a fine manager in that regard, but he needs to put a little more faith in his players' abilities. They are fast, fit, strong and can hurl. The need to be allowed make use of all these attributes in a manner that will allow them go out with a chance of winning games.
But, if this is going to become the norm for Daly, and Dublin are to suffer honourable defeat after honourable defeat, then I don't think that can be classed as progress.
In my opinion.
I'm delighted the game was competitive, but one couldn't help get the sense that KK were fending off Dublin at arms length. Take the 10 minutes after half-time as a classic example of this. Dublin dominated that period, clawed the deficit back from 6 to 3 points. Then in a 2 minute spell, KK knocked over 3 points at ease.
The game should bring on Dublin a lot, but its time to stop being patronising and to allow the players they have to chase that undoubted ambition they have. They're capable of great things in my view. Not all-Ireland glory. Yet anyway, but they have what it takes to make it to (maybe) a semi-final.
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Kilkenny though were a bit of the pace. They looked drained and a bit tired to be honest. Not like Kilkenny at all.
Thanks for that Reillers - uncharacteristically qualify the faintest of praise..
What are you moaning about this time? ::)
What is wrong with what I just said. Absolutely nothing, but you, yet again, are looking to stirr more shite. Not like I should be surprised. Moaning instead of talking about the game..shock horror.
I'm 'moaning' about your continued GPA-Foot-in-mouth syndrome - go and shi&e with your KK are off the pace - the 27 point humilation your bunch of strikers took must still hurt.
If you want to go WUM go off to AFR.
I didn't say a word about the GPA, yet you moaning again, looking for a fight, grow up will ya ffs.
Kilkenny were off the pace, clearly you didn't see, well understand the game, but Kilkenny were off pace anyone, (well apparently not) who knows anything about the game would have seen that.
Dublin were great but ffs would ya grow up or go complain and WUM somewhere else. AFR are full of them, you'd fit in well. Anyone with a pair of eyes could have seen that KK were off pace against Dublin. But you, yet again, looking for a fight instead of wanting to talk about hurling. Not surprised at this stage.
You continue to post off a badly-rehearsed script.
I'm not 'looking for a fight' - you posted that Dublin's performance was due to KK being 'tired' and KK not playing well - your standard refrain for anyone who disagrees with you is 'You know nothing about Hurling' - it's funny how no one else be it analyst or journalist has commented on this KK tiredness at the start of July - so I'll re-iterate my point that it was an ungracious comment from you - same as your comment about Offaly on Friday..
All I want to do is talk hurling - if you continue to talk shi*e though, I'm going to call you on it
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and I made it crystal clear in the post under it.
Look whenever you and Bud (who can't go a post without moaning about Cork) are ready to stop crying and bitching and looking for fights. Maybe then we can talk about the game, but at the moment you're too obsessed with being right, and getting the upper hand. Like I said if you want to post more of the crap you've been posting instead of talking about the game, go do it on AFR there's plenty of them there I hear. Mostly WUMs and people who moan about almost everything, you'd fit in just fine.
I am talking about hurling Reillers lad - you're going off on a solo run which no-one has alluded to and ungraciously putting Dublin's performance down to KK being 'tired'
No you're not, you're highlighting one line from my post, taking it completley out of context and trying to stirr shite with it. I've made it clear that I thought Dublin were excellent, and if that's not clear from the post where you highlighted the line, it's perfectly clear from the one bellow it. So just stop. Like I said, if you want to continue to do what you're doing feck off to AFR or something, you'd fit in well. Mainly people who WUM and cry about everything, all the time (or so I hear.) You'd love it.
Will you come off that script for once?
You said Dublin were excellent and then qualified that comment by saying KK were tired and weren't up to their normal standard as they were 'tired'
And they did look tired. FFS you're too busy trying to stirr crap to realise that that's what most people here are saying. If you think that that was Kilkenny at their best then you really don't have a clue. Would you stop trying to start something and get back on topic. Like I said, if you're not willing to do that someone like you would fit in well at AFR.
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Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2009, 11:34:43 AM
You said Dublin were excellent and then qualified that comment by saying KK were tired and weren't up to their normal standard as they were 'tired'
I think its quite evident that was the case. KK did look lethargic (but not for a minute like they weren't trying - they were, hard).
But Dublin were playing with 1 hand tied behind their back in the shape of those negative Daly tactics. I just wonder when people are going to call enough on this. If Dublin contest the next 3 Leinster finals against Kilkenny and deploy the same tactics (these tactics cost Dublin vital league points against KK and Tipp in my view), they'll come up short in a similar fashion every time. At what stage does an honourable defeat become tired? At what point to people ask that the most talented bunch of hurlers in Dublin since 1991 be let off the leash and be allowed to express themselves as they no doubt can? At what point do these tactics stop being 'safety first' from a Dublin point of view and be viewed as self-serving from an Anthony Daly point of view (because its starting to look that way to me now).
Kilkenny scored 2-18 against Dublin while playing those tactics. Dublin scored 0-18. 2 things I think we can safely ascertain from the situation, had Dublin not employed McCaffrey in such a negative role. Kilkenny would have scored slightly more (really, they wouldn't have scored a whole lot more). Dublin would have scored a lot more. Would it have been enough to win? Maybe. Maybe not. Would Dublin have had a chance of winning? Yes, absolutely. Did Dublin have a chance of winning yesterday? In my view, no.
I'm willing to give Daly the benefit of the doubt though, it being his first year and all. He has instilled a great sense of self-belief in this set of players, which is all the more remarkable given the tactics he then asks them to go out and employ. He is a fine manager in that regard, but he needs to put a little more faith in his players' abilities. They are fast, fit, strong and can hurl. The need to be allowed make use of all these attributes in a manner that will allow them go out with a chance of winning games.
But, if this is going to become the norm for Daly, and Dublin are to suffer honourable defeat after honourable defeat, then I don't think that can be classed as progress.
In my opinion.
I'm delighted the game was competitive, but one couldn't help get the sense that KK were fending off Dublin at arms length. Take the 10 minutes after half-time as a classic example of this. Dublin dominated that period, clawed the deficit back from 6 to 3 points. Then in a 2 minute spell, KK knocked over 3 points at ease.
The game should bring on Dublin a lot, but its time to stop being patronising and to allow the players they have to chase that undoubted ambition they have. They're capable of great things in my view. Not all-Ireland glory. Yet anyway, but they have what it takes to make it to (maybe) a semi-final.
Too much danger of kilkenny ending the game in 10 mins. The current kilkenny team have never been beaten 15 on 15 by anyone. Even Cork in 2005 used a tactical plan to beat them and a different style of play. The thing you're overlooking is why the extra man didn't work as well as it could have.
Because the delivery from the defence wasn't good enough. The amount of times dublin played the ball to the wrong side of the pitch in the first half was incredible. Probably due to nerves. But the game was lost in the first half.
I was in nowlan Park earlier this year when they used the same tactic. The difference was they played the ball correctly out of defence.
Dublin are still missing 2 of their very best hurlers -Ronan Fallon and Ross O Carroll. If we had those and more options on a puckout maybe then we can go 15 on 15. But i think he got yesterday spot on. Winning aerial posession in the half forwards is still our biggest problem. That I believe decided Daly's tactics.
i'm for this tactic of deploying an extra man in defence against a team of Kilkenny's skill. players need confidence, and had they been blown out of the water in the first ten minutes then the game would have been a disaster for Dublin going into the next match.
maybe with ten minutes to go you bring the extra man back into the forwards to see if he can get a score or two but 15 on 15 against Kilkenny is madness.
lets judge Dublin over the 3 years Daly has them and see if they have improved. certainly they have do so already.
I see their is great structures in place in Dublin since the mid 90's. Is Gerard O'Connor from Tyrone still involved with the hurling development in Dublin?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 06, 2009, 02:43:17 PM
Is Gerard O'Connor from Tyrone still involved with the hurling development in Dublin?
Not just Hurling - he's the county games manager.
Thanks Heffo, just was wondering what role he currently had and what his role entailed?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 06, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
Thanks Heffo, just was wondering what role he currently had and what his role entailed?
Don't have his exact spec, but among other things he devises & organises coaching courses and would liase with clubs on them..
Quote from: INDIANA on July 06, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
Too much danger of kilkenny ending the game in 10 mins. The current kilkenny team have never been beaten 15 on 15 by anyone. Even Cork in 2005 used a tactical plan to beat them and a different style of play.
thats an interesting point. I'll need to think about that one. But, with Cork in '04, I think they'd have lost that game anyway. Yes, Cork did have their running game, it worked quite well for them when they got it right, but at the time of that all-Ireland final, Kilkenny were a team very much on the wane. They had been beaten already that year, had to come through the back door, and seem to tire all the more with every game. They could have lost to Clare and Waterford along the way, stumbling across the finish line in both cases. In the final Cork were much fresher. They had a serious containment plan in the first half of that final (when KK had the wind). KK couldn't unlock them at all (their one chance was a goal opportunity that presented itself to DJ but Eddie Brennan managed to scupper it). Anyway, the point being that although Cork did have their tactics right that day for sure, I couldn't ever see Kilkenny winning that game. And I'm not just saying that with the power of hindsight - I felt it before the game. I don't think it was meant to be.
I guess Kilkenny haven't lost a whole lot of matches in the last few years to its hard to assess one way or other whether tactics play a part. I don't get the impression its a big thing with Cody himself. They adopt an aggressive, play it as you see it, type game, but theres no discernable game plan as such. They have faith that every man can win his own ball, and take it from there. And anytime anyone has deployed that extra man back tactic against Kilkenny, Kilkenny have never sent the spare back out the field to pick up the loose man (some teams do).
Back to the Cork thing though, that tactic differed greatly from that of Dublin on sunday in the sense that it wasn't a negative containment-type tactic. Cork's was a plan of how to win the game. Dublin's was how not to lose by too much.
Quote from: milltown row on July 06, 2009, 01:13:41 PM
i'm for this tactic of deploying an extra man in defence against a team of Kilkenny's skill. players need confidence, and had they been blown out of the water in the first ten minutes then the game would have been a disaster for Dublin going into the next match.
maybe with ten minutes to go you bring the extra man back into the forwards to see if he can get a score or two but 15 on 15 against Kilkenny is madness.
lets judge Dublin over the 3 years Daly has them and see if they have improved. certainly they have do so already.
I don't think Daly feels the tactic worked though. He clearly wanted to win the match, judging by his post-match disappointment. To me its almost tantamount to being disappointed that you didn't win the raffle after not buying a ticket. You don't give yourself every chance, you don't succeed.
This is championship. Its about winning. Not about score difference.
But you are right, lets give Daly the benefit of the doubt. As I said before though, if Dublin get into a repetitive cycle of honourable defeats then I don't think that can be classed as progress.
He does, and that's a few times it 'nearly' worked, if you count Clare's performances against the Cats when he was over them. I suppose at what point do you say it is always 'nearly' going to work, and bite the bullet to try something that might beat them. I think Daly's approach to them is to keep them tied up and tight, and hope that you get a couple of goals or something from mistakes to push you over the edge.
From an Offaly perspective, that might be something to try, as we try to get confidence and competitive, but for a team with good hurlers like Dublin, Galway, Cork etc, there must be something more positive you can try, while at the same time limiting them. Cork's 'targetted' puckouts caused Kilkenny trouble a few times as well, because it took their half back line out of the game in terms of competing for long ball. That was a bit more positive. Wexford probably had the best appraoch, if they were a bit better, which was all based on speed. Speed of movement, speed of thought, and speed of delivery. The ball was pinging from wing to wing to isolate Wexford forwards on Kilkenny full backs, and they got a lot of joy out of it. Then they ran out of steam spectacularly.
That may be the best positive way to play them. Deep lying midfielders to try to crowd the half forwards of Kilkenny, with loads of space up front, diagonal balls in low in front of speed forwards one on one. 60-40/70-30 balls all the way. Easy to type, not so easy to do, I know.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2009, 09:56:41 AM
He does, and that's a few times it 'nearly' worked, if you count Clare's performances against the Cats when he was over them. I suppose at what point do you say it is always 'nearly' going to work, and bite the bullet to try something that might beat them. I think Daly's approach to them is to keep them tied up and tight, and hope that you get a couple of goals or something from mistakes to push you over the edge.
From an Offaly perspective, that might be something to try, as we try to get confidence and competitive, but for a team with good hurlers like Dublin, Galway, Cork etc, there must be something more positive you can try, while at the same time limiting them. Cork's 'targetted' puckouts caused Kilkenny trouble a few times as well, because it took their half back line out of the game in terms of competing for long ball. That was a bit more positive. Wexford probably had the best appraoch, if they were a bit better, which was all based on speed. Speed of movement, speed of thought, and speed of delivery. The ball was pinging from wing to wing to isolate Wexford forwards on Kilkenny full backs, and they got a lot of joy out of it. Then they ran out of steam spectacularly.
That may be the best positive way to play them. Deep lying midfielders to try to crowd the half forwards of Kilkenny, with loads of space up front, diagonal balls in low in front of speed forwards one on one. 60-40/70-30 balls all the way. Easy to type, not so easy to do, I know.
yep, completely agree. And you hit the nail on the head when you say that Dublin have good hurlers and hence don't need to try and limit other teams. A containment plan be a sensible option for a team like Offaly who are in serious rebuilding mode. Dublin are beyond that at the minute. Now they have to try and push on, be as ambitious as they can be, and see how much they can get from this bunch of players.
I think Dublin were 10 points a better team than Wexford and that the extra man back tactic (that didn't work great in that game either - Durkin was a poor choice for the roving role) almost cost them the game.
It seems that this tactic hasn't actually benefited Dublin in terms of actually beating anyone of note yet. What we're talking about is a team that came closer to Kilkenny and Tipp than a lot of other teams, but how does one rate a narrow loss? Surely teams should be judged by victories? For Dublin, they should be trying to play to their own strengths. A tactic based on energy and hard work, coupled with good hurling, perhaps consisting (as you said) of low diagonal ball into the corner forwards, or a high ball into a target man to break to the aftermentioned corner forwards, might be better.
As you also said though, perhaps easier said than done......
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Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2009, 09:56:41 AM
He does, and that's a few times it 'nearly' worked, if you count Clare's performances against the Cats when he was over them. I suppose at what point do you say it is always 'nearly' going to work, and bite the bullet to try something that might beat them. I think Daly's approach to them is to keep them tied up and tight, and hope that you get a couple of goals or something from mistakes to push you over the edge.
From an Offaly perspective, that might be something to try, as we try to get confidence and competitive, but for a team with good hurlers like Dublin, Galway, Cork etc, there must be something more positive you can try, while at the same time limiting them. Cork's 'targetted' puckouts caused Kilkenny trouble a few times as well, because it took their half back line out of the game in terms of competing for long ball. That was a bit more positive. Wexford probably had the best appraoch, if they were a bit better, which was all based on speed. Speed of movement, speed of thought, and speed of delivery. The ball was pinging from wing to wing to isolate Wexford forwards on Kilkenny full backs, and they got a lot of joy out of it. Then they ran out of steam spectacularly.
That may be the best positive way to play them. Deep lying midfielders to try to crowd the half forwards of Kilkenny, with loads of space up front, diagonal balls in low in front of speed forwards one on one. 60-40/70-30 balls all the way. Easy to type, not so easy to do, I know.
yep, completely agree. And you hit the nail on the head when you say that Dublin have good hurlers and hence don't need to try and limit other teams. A containment plan be a sensible option for a team like Offaly who are in serious rebuilding mode. Dublin are beyond that at the minute. Now they have to try and push on, be as ambitious as they can be, and see how much they can get from this bunch of players.
I think Dublin were 10 points a better team than Wexford and that the extra man back tactic (that didn't work great in that game either - Durkin was a poor choice for the roving role) almost cost them the game.
It seems that this tactic hasn't actually benefited Dublin in terms of actually beating anyone of note yet. What we're talking about is a team that came closer to Kilkenny and Tipp than a lot of other teams, but how does one rate a narrow loss? Surely teams should be judged by victories? For Dublin, they should be trying to play to their own strengths. A tactic based on energy and hard work, coupled with good hurling, perhaps consisting (as you said) of low diagonal ball into the corner forwards, or a high ball into a target man to break to the aftermentioned corner forwards, might be better.
As you also said though, perhaps easier said than done......
The reason I don't agree is ask yourself how many Dublin hurlers would get on the Kilkenny team? 3/4 at the very very best. Maybe not even at this stage. The stakes were too high for a first leinster final. A 20 point defeat would have signalled the end of this team before it began. You never recover from defeats like that and thus the cycle of being hammered by Kilkenny continues. The next time this team plays Kilkenny in a final- they'll go in thinking they can win.
For example the next time Waterford play kilkenny in the championship- they won't get a wink of sleep the night before thinking about last September.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 07, 2009, 10:45:29 AM
The reason I don't agree is ask yourself how many Dublin hurlers would get on the Kilkenny team? 3/4 at the very very best. Maybe not even at this stage. The stakes were too high for a first leinster final. A 20 point defeat would have signalled the end of this team before it began. You never recover from defeats like that and thus the cycle of being hammered by Kilkenny continues. The next time this team plays Kilkenny in a final- they'll go in thinking they can win.
For example the next time Waterford play kilkenny in the championship- they won't get a wink of sleep the night before thinking about last September.
thats all valid and fair. And I think in time we'll find out for sure if its the case or not. For now, that performance should bring on the team a lot. They should have every confidence in the qualifiers, regardless who they get drawn against. At some stage there'll come a time though when they'll need to approach the game a little more attack minded.
I should state for the record that I've always been cynical about that tactic, and that probably accounts for my opinions on sunday's game. The first time I recall it being used is by Clare in the '97 all-Ireland final. David Forde was the man brought back that day and it was Micheal Church Ryan left back as the spare man. It ended up causing an amount of confusion (that Tipp team had the least mobile full-back line in the recent history of hurling), and worked. Clare won, largely because of those tactics. But since then its been a negative thing in my view. Teams wanting to limit the damage the other team would do (which is all well and good in the case of a team playing into a gale for one half or other), and hope for the best on the break. Waterford beat Kilkenny in the league a few years back playing the same way (Dave Bennett the spare man that day). But mostly it doesn't work from what I can gather and there are upteen examples of this. I'm all for the orthodox 15-on-15 formation. Go toe-to-toe with your man, and the best team will triumph. So my views aren't necessarily that balanced.
I can see what yer sayin Bottle, but it was imperative that we emerged from the Leinster Final with confidence as intact as possible. In reality both goals could be chalked down to mix-ups and be considered a bit on the soft side, so we might have been closer at the end. As it is we've emerged into the quarter final with confidence high enough and everything to play for, the quarter final, funnily enough, is almost a more important game then the Leinster final - a good draw and things could get very interesting. I do think next year we'll see a more open Dublin team with, hopefully, McCrabbe spending more time in attack then roaming around midfield. Fallon's retuen would free up Joey Boland to play midfield alongside McCaffery.
how does the quarter final draw work? I've heard many different versions of how it might work. Anyone know for sure? Some lads I was talking to last night said that, given the possible combinations (Galway, should they beat Clare, won't be able to play Laois again), the likelihood is that Dublin will draw Cork.
All Ireland Championship
04.07.2009(Sat)
Phase I (Knock-out)
Leinster Round 1 Loser
Leinster Round 1 Loser
Leinster Round 1 Loser
Munster Round 1Loser
An Open Draw shall determine the Pairings. The first Team drawn in each pairing shall have Home Venue, provided venue meets the criteria set down by the National Safety and Infrastructure Committee.
The two Winners shall progress to Phase III
(Draw to take place on the 21st June 2009 on TV3)
11.07.2009 (Sat)
Phase II
Leinster Semi-Final Losers
Munster Semi-Final Losers
Open Draw for Pairings and a further draw for Home or Away venues (provided venue meets the criteria set down by the National Safety and Infrastructure Committee).
The two Winners shall progress to Phase III
(Draw to take place on the 21st June 2009 on TV3)
18.07.2009 (Sat)
Phase III
Phase I Winner v Phase II Winner
Phase I Winner v Phase II Winner
Subject to avoidance of Repeat Pairings, where feasible, a Draw shall be made to determine the Pairings.
(Draw to take place on the 12th July 2009 on RTE2)
25/26.07.2009 (Sat/Sun)
All Ireland Quarter-Finals
Munster Provincial Final Runner Up v Phase III Winner
Leinster Provincial Final Runner Up v Phase III Winner
Subject to avoidance of Repeat Pairings, where feasible, a Draw shall be made to determine the Pairings.
(Draw to take place on the 19th July 2009 on RTE2)
09.08.2009 (Sun)
All Ireland Semi-Finals
Leinster Provincial Winner v Quarter-Final Winner
Draw to be made to determine pairings subject to the respective Provincial Champions not meeting the defeated Finalists from their own Province.
(Draw to take place on the 26th July 2009 on RTE2)
16.08.2009 (Sun)
All Ireland Semi-Finals
Munster Provincial Winner v Quarter-Final Winner
Draw to be made to determine pairings subject to the respective Provincial Champions not meeting the defeated Finalists from their own Province.
(Draw to take place on the 26th July 2009 on RTE2)
06.09.2009 (Sun) - (Replay 27.09.2009)
All Ireland Final
Semi-Final Winner v Semi-Final Winner
Relegation
18.07.2009 (Sat)
Round I
Phase I Loser
Phase I Loser
Phase II Loser
Phase II Loser
Subject to avoidance of Repeat Pairings, where feasible, a Draw shall be made to determine the Pairings.
25.07.2009 (Sat)
Round II
Round I Loser v Round I Loser
Daly asks for more of same from Dublin supporters
By Antony Daly (Courtesy of the Evening Herald)
This morning (Tuesday) I still felt the way I felt after the final whistle on Sunday. I am disappointed. I really thought we could win this Leinster title. We werent going into the match to just put it up to Kilkenny, we were there to win.
Of course I am proud of the lads. You almost needed to be standing on the sideline to see the effort they put it over the seventy minutes. Fellas were throwing themselves into challenges and blocks.
That is the commitment that keeps me on the road from West Clare to Dublin a couple of times a week. These lads gave everything and we really couldnt have asked for any more.
Yes, we did some silly things. Yes, we made mistakes. But every team will do that over the course of seventy minutes. It is just that when you play Kilkenny, they will kill you for it.
Naturally, we have great respect for Kilkenny but we couldnt be overawed playing them. You have to get stuck into them because they get stuck into you. If you stand back from the Cats or pay them too much respect they will destroy you.
And that is the major plus to take from this game. We lived with Kilkenny for the entire seventy minutes. And make no mistake about it, this was seventy minutes of intense championship hurling. We ended up losing by six points and conceded what we would consider to be two soft goals. A few balls squirted out of fellas hands at crucial times and we paid for it with scores at our end.
Some day some team are going to beat the Cats and when they do all of that will have to go right for them. You cannot encourage them by giving them the ball cheaply.
And of course Martin Comerford, a player who usually makes the scores for Henry or Eddie Brennan, bangs in two goals. That is typical Kilkenny. And that is typical of a great team. On a day when maybe the star names arent on the scoreboard, someone steps up and delivers.
But Sunday is over now. We have three weeks to heal and to get our heads right for the All-Ireland quarter-finals. And that is our biggest of the game of the year. We wont be afraid of any team we draw next Sunday night. Why should we be?
We are hurling into late July and if anything we are only getting better. We are in the last six of the All-Ireland hurling championship and every team that is left by the quarter-final stages will quietly fancy their chances. We will be no different.
Before I leave Sunday a word about the support the players got from the crowd. When Come on you Boys in Blue started sweeping Croke Park in the second half the hair nearly stood up on the back of my neck. And there isnt a doubt in my mind but that support lifted the players. You could visibly see it in them.
Hopefully all those Dublin supporters will be back with a few more for the quarter-final because that means something to the team.
To know a crowd are behind you like that when you are wearing the county jersey, it is special. And that was something the players spoke about afterwards. So more of that please!
The man is a saint. Best thing thats ever happened to hurling in Dublin IMO.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 09, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
The man is a saint. Best thing thats ever happened to hurling in Dublin IMO.
Not sure about the saint description. ;) But has brought this team on leaps and bounds - once the whipping boys, they're now a serious force - ok the team has great hurlers but the passion they showed last week was unreal. Everybody was predicting a slaughter - it didn't happen.
Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling
Dublin's Liam Rushe
14 July 2009
Rising Dublin hurling star Liam Rushe has added his weight to claims that Kilkenny are being given more leeway by referees than others by describing some of their tackling as "dangerous".
Rushe, who was part of the Dublin senior side that put up a creditable performance against Brian Cody's charges in last Sunday week's Leinster final, will renew acquaintances with the black and ambers tomorrow night when the counties meet in the Leinster under 21 decider at Parnell Park.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Rushe also rejects suggestions that Kilkenny were only operating at half-steam against Anthony Daly's side in the Leinster final.
"People have said that but Tommy Walsh didn't seem to be taking it easy and neither did JJ Delaney when he had both hands around me. I suppose they raise it a level above everyone else.
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114909
No smoke without fire or a case of sour grapes?
Quote from: Gnevin on July 14, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling
Dublin's Liam Rushe
14 July 2009
Rising Dublin hurling star Liam Rushe has added his weight to claims that Kilkenny are being given more leeway by referees than others by describing some of their tackling as "dangerous".
Rushe, who was part of the Dublin senior side that put up a creditable performance against Brian Cody's charges in last Sunday week's Leinster final, will renew acquaintances with the black and ambers tomorrow night when the counties meet in the Leinster under 21 decider at Parnell Park.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Rushe also rejects suggestions that Kilkenny were only operating at half-steam against Anthony Daly's side in the Leinster final.
"People have said that but Tommy Walsh didn't seem to be taking it easy and neither did JJ Delaney when he had both hands around me. I suppose they raise it a level above everyone else.
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114909
No smoke without fire or a case of sour grapes?
He'd have been better keeping his powder dry. It comes across as sour grapes.
Quote from: orangeman on July 14, 2009, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on July 14, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling
Dublin's Liam Rushe
14 July 2009
Rising Dublin hurling star Liam Rushe has added his weight to claims that Kilkenny are being given more leeway by referees than others by describing some of their tackling as "dangerous".
Rushe, who was part of the Dublin senior side that put up a creditable performance against Brian Cody's charges in last Sunday week's Leinster final, will renew acquaintances with the black and ambers tomorrow night when the counties meet in the Leinster under 21 decider at Parnell Park.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Rushe also rejects suggestions that Kilkenny were only operating at half-steam against Anthony Daly's side in the Leinster final.
"People have said that but Tommy Walsh didn't seem to be taking it easy and neither did JJ Delaney when he had both hands around me. I suppose they raise it a level above everyone else.
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114909
No smoke without fire or a case of sour grapes?
He'd have been better keeping his powder dry. It comes across as sour grapes.
Fully agree - he's only 19 though - someone should've told him what to say and what not to say in interviews..
Quote from: heffo on July 14, 2009, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 14, 2009, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on July 14, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling
Dublin's Liam Rushe
14 July 2009
Rising Dublin hurling star Liam Rushe has added his weight to claims that Kilkenny are being given more leeway by referees than others by describing some of their tackling as "dangerous".
Rushe, who was part of the Dublin senior side that put up a creditable performance against Brian Cody's charges in last Sunday week's Leinster final, will renew acquaintances with the black and ambers tomorrow night when the counties meet in the Leinster under 21 decider at Parnell Park.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Rushe also rejects suggestions that Kilkenny were only operating at half-steam against Anthony Daly's side in the Leinster final.
"People have said that but Tommy Walsh didn't seem to be taking it easy and neither did JJ Delaney when he had both hands around me. I suppose they raise it a level above everyone else.
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114909
No smoke without fire or a case of sour grapes?
He'd have been better keeping his powder dry. It comes across as sour grapes.
Fully agree - he's only 19 though - someone should've told him what to say and what not to say in interviews..
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Not in the GPA then ?
Quote from: orangeman on July 14, 2009, 10:15:52 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 14, 2009, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 14, 2009, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on July 14, 2009, 07:13:06 PM
Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling
Dublin's Liam Rushe
14 July 2009
Rising Dublin hurling star Liam Rushe has added his weight to claims that Kilkenny are being given more leeway by referees than others by describing some of their tackling as "dangerous".
Rushe, who was part of the Dublin senior side that put up a creditable performance against Brian Cody's charges in last Sunday week's Leinster final, will renew acquaintances with the black and ambers tomorrow night when the counties meet in the Leinster under 21 decider at Parnell Park.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Rushe also rejects suggestions that Kilkenny were only operating at half-steam against Anthony Daly's side in the Leinster final.
"People have said that but Tommy Walsh didn't seem to be taking it easy and neither did JJ Delaney when he had both hands around me. I suppose they raise it a level above everyone else.
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=114909
No smoke without fire or a case of sour grapes?
He'd have been better keeping his powder dry. It comes across as sour grapes.
Fully agree - he's only 19 though - someone should've told him what to say and what not to say in interviews..
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Not in the GPA then ?
One can but hope not
Its amazing though the spin the journalist can put on it to make it look like Rushe is whinging.
"Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling" - which he didn't
"[Rushe] describes some of their tackling as dangerous" - a tone up from Rushe's "pretty dangerous" comment.
If the journalist had highlighted Rushe's actual quotes of:
"we're just going to have to deal with it"
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
An entirely different spin could have been put on the article.
Yeah Hound, but these quotes are the ones that sound bad. If they are direct quotes, then he's a silly young fella.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Quote from: Hound on July 15, 2009, 09:16:43 AM
Its amazing though the spin the journalist can put on it to make it look like Rushe is whinging.
"Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling" - which he didn't
"[Rushe] describes some of their tackling as dangerous" - a tone up from Rushe's "pretty dangerous" comment.
If the journalist had highlighted Rushe's actual quotes of:
"we're just going to have to deal with it"
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
An entirely different spin could have been put on the article.
AZOfflay is right Hound. I can't believe Rushe could be that stupid. Kilkenny will feed off this for 2-3 years starting tonight at the u21 match.
I dont think its a question of sour grapes, a lot of the other counties that are trying to compete with KK have been making this argument for months now.
Not that it holds any water, i think they are subconciously trying to get refs to be harder on KK than on other teams.
I see Tipp, Galway, Dublin & Cork are easily as dirty as KK.
If he is trying to suggest KK were dirty in the leinster final he is having a laugh
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on July 15, 2009, 09:55:30 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 15, 2009, 09:16:43 AM
Its amazing though the spin the journalist can put on it to make it look like Rushe is whinging.
"Rushe condemns Kilkenny tackling" - which he didn't
"[Rushe] describes some of their tackling as dangerous" - a tone up from Rushe's "pretty dangerous" comment.
If the journalist had highlighted Rushe's actual quotes of:
"we're just going to have to deal with it"
"They've brought a new intensity to it and everyone's going to have to match them if they want to get close."
An entirely different spin could have been put on the article.
AZOfflay is right Hound. I can't believe Rushe could be that stupid. Kilkenny will feed off this for 2-3 years starting tonight at the u21 match.
I think you'll find our lads are made of sterner stuff than that. If you think a few newspaper quotes are going to decide tonights game- you're dreaming.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 15, 2009, 09:19:30 AM
Yeah Hound, but these quotes are the ones that sound bad. If they are direct quotes, then he's a silly young fella.
"I saw the tackles myself and they were pretty dangerous, but we're just going to have to deal with it," the St. Pat's, Palmerstown clubman said.
"If the referees are going to let them away with it, it means we might as well do it as bad and hopefully we'll be let away with it as well.
"It's very frustrating when you see them let away with it and you see Kevin Flynn in our semi-final against Wexford being sent off for a tackle that was nowhere near as bad."
Ach, I don't see a whole lot wrong with them. Perhaps he'd be better to say nothing but I don't see much that would or should upset a Kilkenny person. He's frustrated about inconsistent referreeing and notes that Dublin will have to be as tough as Kilkenny if they are to get closer to them.
Gallant effort by Dublin against a fine kilkenny team. Dreadful start cost us the game. Very soft goals to concede. BIt more cuteness and we could have won it. Huge total to put up and lose. 12 of the first 15 are elligible next year so there is that to look forward too. But one that might have slipped away. Kilkenny though were as clincial as ever.
Yes, very enjoyable match. A few too many wides from Dublin, and it always seemed we had to work harder than Kilkenny for our scores. So well done to the Cats, the better team on the night. Didnt think much of the ref. Hope Gough and Lambert arent badly injured.
It seems that over the last few years Dublin raised the bar in underage and now the bloody Cats have raised their's above them.... what a county
Maybe I was watching a different game but there was something seriously lacking there for me. There was no bite to the game. No championship intensity whatsoever. There was so much space and the lack of physicality from both sides was unbelievable. Every high ball on the night was contested by 2 lads trying to outjump each other. There was little or no physical contact. Backs were a mile off their men for both teams. Yes, there was some lovely hurling played, but this was a very disappointing game. It was more like a challenge match than a Leinster final.
I'd agree with the assessments above - Dublin had to work that bit harder for their scores. Kilkenny were able to pick them off almost at will. And Dublin opted at stages for that 2-man fullforward line again. Needless to say it proved highly counter-productive.
Wouldn't agree on the physicality- thought kilkenny horsed dublin out of it. I really enjoyed it thought it was a cracking match. Anytime there is a high scoring match the perception is because it was soft. I thought Dublin were too polite really in the tackle and simply won't use their bodies legitimtaely in the tackle area. Where as the cats lamped our lads quite legitimately anytime they got the chance. That was the difference for me.
Dublin are getting to a stage where they won't be hammered by any kilkenny team at the moment no matter the grade. But there is quite a difference between getting close and beating them. I'm getting tired of the moral victories. That was a game Dublin could have won last night.
Tactically on the puck outs we were very poor in the first half with the management telling the players to step back whil the kilkenny keeper hit the ball short to them and they promptly put it over the bar. Very naive.
Chance missed in my view. With Waterford and Clare in the Miunster final that is one chance of an all-ireland gone down the proverbial swanny.
i was at it--i thought the Dublin centre back was outstanding--is he the boy who has left the senior football panel or the brother? who is older?
Quote from: Gold on July 20, 2009, 12:02:07 AM
i was at it--i thought the Dublin centre back was outstanding--is he the boy who has left the senior football panel or the brother? who is older?
It is the younger brother who left the senior football panel. Still u21 next year- hopefully not lost to hurling yet.
Was the older brother, Ross, eligible for the U21 hurlers this year? He came on as sub in one of the senior games so was surprised he wasnt involved in the U21 final - though being over-age would be a good reason!
He's overage Hound unfortunately. Some family- younger brother Bill is probably better than both Ross and Rory at that age. He's 18 now. Another to watch out for.
Ross is indeed overage this year. Rory will have to make the football v hurling decision sometime soon. Bill is a quality defender and a natural leader by all accounts, hope he makes a full recovery from the cruciate, should do at his age.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 16, 2009, 09:41:13 AM
Tactically on the puck outs we were very poor in the first half with the management telling the players to step back whil the kilkenny keeper hit the ball short to them and they promptly put it over the bar. Very naive.
Yea, Anto Daly highlighted the poor tactics in his match report in the herald, you can't force the HB line to stay back and leave their men roam out the field unless your HFs are playing deep to cover the space or you leave the opposition room to pick off scores from distance, which kilkenny did again and again, as you'd expect kilkenny to do. Made some of the Dublin defenders look a lot worse then they actually are. Very naive from the sideline. We got roasted at the start and just couldnt ever catch up sadly, just like the seniors we leaked a bad goal just when we were fighting back, desperately disappointing for the lads.
On the plus side most of the best players will be underage again next year, apart from the lads now playing regularly for the seniors, I thought Peter Kelly played really well in the second half, took some great scores and worked back well. O'Carroll looks very strong and potentially dominating at CHB. Bring in lads like McMorrow, Kevin O'Loughlin, Bill O'Carroll and co and we'll have a decent team again next year.