And the fun beings again........ :)
You're jokin LL
Quote from: Declan on April 22, 2009, 09:18:48 PM
You're jokin LL
Nope,Just announced on sky sports news,
Expected to be appointed in next 24 hours
Mad Ted
He has resigned.
Disapponted for former Sarsfield's man Jim Magilton, but I suppose it was inevitable. Can't see that Ipswich would be much better off in the Premiership. I think they have found their level. Assuming LL is joking, would a return to Portman Road be on the cards for Mogga?
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 22, 2009, 09:23:11 PM
Disapponted for former Sarsfield's man Jim Magilton, but I suppose it was inevitable. Can't see that Ipswich would be much better off in the Premiership. I think they have found their level. Assuming LL is joking, would a return to Portman Road be on the cards for Mogga?
I'm not joking...
Nothing on Ipswich site but there is a banner on the SSN one stating that - Can't believe it really but he did say he'd come back. Anyone buying or selling a blue shirt
I saw earlier that there had been a run of money on Keane and the bookies were getting close to closing the book.
RTE reporters will have to get used to saying Roykeanesipswichtown from now on if this is true!!!. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: hardstation on April 22, 2009, 09:22:31 PM
Expect to meet loads of Ipswich fans tomorrow.
Expect to meet loads of Norwich fans tomorrow.
Can we now have an "E-ON Ipswich Town Thread" to replace the "Boylesports Sunderland Thread".
Just notice tractors on fire all round Glenmornan here.
BURN, BURN, BURN.
Journo from Ipswich on Newstalk now - confirming story that he'll be offered the gig in the morning. Apparentely Magilton's sacking has been in the air for a while since the new chief exec took over. Said he'd probably have to move to the area as part of the deal
Sky Sports News sources understand Roy Keane will be named the new Ipswich Town manager within the next 24 hours.
Ipswich sacked Jim Magilton on Wednesday following the club's failure to make the play-offs in the Championship this season.
New chief executive Simon Clegg told Sky Sports News that Town were close to appointing a successor to Magilton at Portman Road.
Former Sunderland boss Keane is now understood to be on the brink of accepting a return to management with Ipswich.
Keane left his role at the Stadium of Light back in December, having spent just over two years in charge on Wearside.
During his time at the Black Cats helm, Keane led Sunderland from the bottom of the Championship to promotion to the Premier League in his first season.
The Irishman secured a 15th place finish in the top flight last term, but had presided over a disappointing run of form before his exit in early December.
The tractor boys have just got a whole band of new 'fans'
Quote from: Onlooker on April 22, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
RTE reporters will have to get used to saying Roykeanesipswichtown from now on if this is true!!!. ;D ;D ;D
I was thinking that.
It was ridiculous carry on by the media. Why not Martinoneillsastonvilla?
I assume he won't have a big pot of money to squander before walking out on them?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 22, 2009, 10:34:46 PM
I assume he won't have a big pot of money to squander before walking out on them?
Or will he hoover up every second rate Irish player thats doing the rounds and give them a contract.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 22, 2009, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on April 22, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
RTE reporters will have to get used to saying Roykeanesipswichtown from now on if this is true!!!. ;D ;D ;D
I was thinking that.
It was ridiculous carry on by the media. Why not Martinoneillsastonvilla?
Or Arsene Wengers Arsenals Andre Arshavin
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
Up to Keane to make a go of this now. He's shown he has the ability, if not quite the temperment.
Unless the new chairman/chief exec brings a load of money with him I reckon it will be tight enough money wise at Ipswich. They have not beeen in the PL for a long time so any parachute payments are gone. When you lok at Southampton and Charlton maybe Ipswich have not got a lot to complain about. A bit harsh on Magilton. A real test of Keanes ability this, if he can bring Ipswich up with no real maoney then he is a proper manager.
Will be very interesting to see how this goes. In fairness to him I thought he done pretty well at Sunderland, though he did waste a lot of money on poor players but you learn from your mistakes. I wish him the best. Time will tell all...
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 22, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
Up to Keane to make a go of this now. He's shown he has the ability, if not quite the temperment.
I heard he was sacked over the phone after being granted leave from the club to look after his sick mother. Very poor form if true...
I'd say there's a whole squad of players in Ipswich can't wait till he arrives :D :D
Wonder how much David Connolly will cost them? :-\
Is'nt Alan Lee already there
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on April 22, 2009, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 22, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
Up to Keane to make a go of this now. He's shown he has the ability, if not quite the temperment.
I heard he was sacked over the phone after being granted leave from the club to look after his sick mother. Very poor form if true...
Jesus that is low, no man deserves that, magilton should take what ever money he gets and tell them to get fcuked
I expect Ryanair now to start flying into Ipswitch airport from Cork and Dublin to transport langers off to see 'Roykeanesipswich' in action.
He will, no doubt, bring Stan on board cos he will have learned from Sir Bobby, one of Ipswich's more successful managers in the past.
You read it here first!
(edit cos O'Neill is correct)
Ipswich's first manager was a Kildare man, Mick O'Brien, who played for both the IFA and the FAI.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 22, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
I expect Ryanair now to start flying into Ipswitch airport from Cork and Dublin to transport langers off to see 'Roykeanesipswich' in action.
He will, no doubt, bring Stan on board cos he will have learned from Sir Bobby, Ipswich's most successful manager.
You read it here first!
Alf Ramsey would've probably disputed that...
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 22, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
Not as long as that, Burley took them up since and they had a brilliant first season and qualified for Europe. Then got relegated the next year.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 23, 2009, 12:05:22 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 22, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
Not as long as that, Burley took them up since and they had a brilliant first season and qualified for Europe. Then got relegated the next year.
They played Inter Milan that year in the UEFA Cup didn't they?
I think they beat them 1-0 at Portman Rd
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 22, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
They were back up for a couple of seasons about 6 years ago and even qualified for Europe, back when Matty Holland had his big run of about 3 seasons without missing a game.
The jury's out on Keane, he done brilliantly in his first season at Sunderland but IMO a lot of that had to do with the whole aura/mythology surrounding Keane as the ultimate driven winner as a footballer, which may have been enough to spur the players on to playing above themselves. Bryan Robson had this effect in his first season as manager but was found out subsequently.
Keane has proved himself in this division, he hasnt in the PL, so maybe this is his level for the time being
Well it is estimated that there's a fair bit of cash behind Ipswich as a result of this guy Marcus Evans taking them over in 2007. I say estimated because nobody seems to know how wealthy he is as he is a tax exile.
Ipswich are a decent championship side but I couldn't see them getting promoted with the current squad. Therefore, I think we can all assume that Keane has been offered a pile of spending money for the summer because there is only one place he wants to be and that is the Premier League.
From an Irish perspective (the only perspective I'm really concerned with) Owen Garvan should step up to the plate now and show us all what he's made of. He's a fine footballer and with a bit of quality around him he should hopefully flourish.
Confirmed
Keane takes up new challenge at Ipswich
Roy Keane was confirmed as the new manager of Ipswich this morning. The former Republic of Ireland midfielder has signed a two-year contract with the Championship side, who sacked former boss Jim Magilton yesterday.
The 37-year-old has been out of work since departing as Sunderland manager last December.
Keane told the Ipswich website: "I truly believe that I am joining a club that has the potential, ambition and infrastructure to once again be a Premier League side.
"The club's owner (Marcus Evans) and chief executive (Simon Clegg) impressed upon me their total focus on achieving this quest at the earliest opportunity and I can't wait to get started."
Magilton fell victim to the Portman Road regime's top-flight aspirations yesterday when he was sacked as Ipswich manager after failing to lead them into the Championship play-offs.
That followed a €14million, Evans-funded spending spree on new players following the hospitality entrepreneur's takeover late in 2007.
However, the new investment failed to produce a concerted push for promotion, as the Tractor Boys were consigned to mid-table and an eighth straight season in the second tier.
Evans said: "I am delighted that Roy has agreed to join us and we are completely aligned in our ambitions for Ipswich Town.
"He has extensive contacts in the game and is a proven winner who encourages his team to play the attractive football that Ipswich Town fans have come to expect.
"I believe he is the right man to take this club where we want to be — the Premier League."
QuoteI expect Ryanair now to start flying into Ipswitch airport from Cork and Dublin to transport langers off to see 'Roykeanesipswich' in action.
It's only down the road from Stansted.
Quote from: full back on April 23, 2009, 08:15:46 AM
Keane has proved himself in this division, he hasnt in the PL, so maybe this is his level for the time being
Took the words right off my keyboard full back!
Best of luck to him :)
Dunphy is on RTE talking about Ipswich's proud tradition and that Roy needs to be more humble. ;D
I remember they beat Arsenal in a cup final way back, 4 nil or something or it felt like a 4 nil win.
Quote from: Main Street on April 23, 2009, 10:13:18 AM
Dunphy is on RTE talking about Ipswich's proud tradition and that Roy needs to be more humble. ;D
I remember they beat Arsenal in a cup final way back, 4 nil or something or it felt like a 4 nil win.
1-0 1978 Remember it well... Roger Osborne scored and they were all over Arsenel and hit post twice before the goal. Paul Mariner was there big star then and the tough boy with the moustache played for England.
That would be John Wark who also played for Liverpool and the Allied Forces in 'Escape to Victory'
Had to look it up on a website - Mick Mills I was thinking of captained them to that cup final-I think he captained England as well.
Sorry Fox - Wark was Scottish I think.
QuoteSorry Fox - Wark was Scottish I think.
correct- Was it Kevin Beattie you were thinking of?
Yep, Wark was Scottish
Looks very like Bruce
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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 22, 2009, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on April 22, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
RTE reporters will have to get used to saying Roykeanesipswichtown from now on if this is true!!!. ;D ;D ;D
I was thinking that.
It was ridiculous carry on by the media. Why not Martinoneillsastonvilla?
Why not MickMcCarthy'sWolves?
Interesting the hoohaa over Keane - following the billionaire to Ipswich to buy another over-hyped period of mediocrity - to McCarthy with the youngest team in the division and practically no budget heading in the other direction.
But then he's not REALLY Irish is he?
And he never did show much loyalty to Ireland as a player or manager did he?
big challenge for keane... Needs to have learned from his mistakes at sunderland or he'll be gone in a year. Suppose he'll get a heap of ex Utd players and a few from Sunderland
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 23, 2009, 10:17:29 AM
Quote from: Main Street on April 23, 2009, 10:13:18 AM
Dunphy is on RTE talking about Ipswich's proud tradition and that Roy needs to be more humble. ;D
I remember they beat Arsenal in a cup final way back, 4 nil or something or it felt like a 4 nil win.
1-0 1978 Remember it well... Roger Osborne scored and they were all over Arsenel and hit post twice before the goal. Paul Mariner was there big star then and the tough boy with the moustache played for England.
QuoteThat would be John Wark who also played for Liverpool and the Allied Forces in 'Escape to Victory'
After football the lads joined the Navy and released a song about it. They had another hit about something called the YMCA.
LMAO at this thread. All the moaning about "new Ipswich fans" from people who just don't like Roy Keane. FFS its natural that Irish people take and interest in the clubs that Irish people are involved in. Lots of folk follow Duff's fortunes at Newcastle, Keane's at Tottenham, Liverpool, Tottenham, the lads at Reading and only last week we had supporters of other soccer teams lauding Mick McCarthys successes. But no - Roy Keane is a bad man and you're a muppet if you take an interest in his team. Pure hypocrites.
I wish him well and love him or hate him - it does bring a bigger buzz when he's involved. Look at this thread as an example.
Waiting for the tractor.
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Quote from: Foreverhopeful on April 23, 2009, 10:55:49 AM
big challenge for keane... Needs to have learned from his mistakes at sunderland or he'll be gone in a year. Suppose he'll get a heap of ex Utd players and a few from Sunderland
I'd say Ipswich will be happy enough if he makes the same mistakes and brings them up.
I'd say good luck to him - he obviously feels that he needs to prove to himself that he has what it takes to take a smaller club to the premiership! One thing I think is pretty clear though - whatever way it works out - he'll not be there for long! If he's a success and he'll be off to a bigger club and if things dont go well he'll be off like a shot! I'd be surprised if he's still there this time next year! So i'd advise people not to get their Ipswich Town tattoos just yet!
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Am I the only genuine Ipswich fan on this board? Those of you older than 36 will remember the great Ipswich team of the late '70s. So close on several occasions to winning the league, even though they did win it in 1963 under Alf Ramsey, who then went on to manage the '66 england team. The '78 FA cup final was won with a goal in the 77th. minute by a Roger Osbourne (8) goal. He was about to be substituted before he found himself in the right place to blast past Pat Jennings. Oh how I celebrated...as an 11y.o. would. The moustachioed one referred to above was Mick Mills who went on to captain England.
We'll not talk about the 0-9 game. Still painful.
Re. Keane, good luck. it'll be needed.
There's always one who claims to have been there before the bandwagon :)
Age 36 or older? remember a cup final from 31 years ago?
The people who are old enough to remember Ipswich playing Arsenal off the park in 1978 are also struggling to stop memory decay.
r
I remember it alright- Osborne socks down around the ankles ;)
QuoteThe people who are old enough to remember Ipswich playing Arsenal off the park in 1978 are also struggling to stop memory decay.
I remember, the goal came from (yet another) Willie Young f*ckup - possibly the worst defender ever to win an international cap (for Scotland). If I remember correctly, the guy who scored the winner (Osborne) had to leave the field through exhaustion/injury immediately after scoring.
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 23, 2009, 02:24:51 PM
QuoteThe people who are old enough to remember Ipswich playing Arsenal off the park in 1978 are also struggling to stop memory decay.
I remember, the goal came from (yet another) Willie Young f*ckup - possibly the worst defender ever to win an international cap (for Scotland). If I remember correctly, the guy who scored the winner (Osborne) had to leave the field through exhaustion/injury immediately after scoring.
I remember Arnold Murhen was a good player. Aye they had a very good team then.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 23, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 23, 2009, 02:24:51 PM
QuoteThe people who are old enough to remember Ipswich playing Arsenal off the park in 1978 are also struggling to stop memory decay.
I remember, the goal came from (yet another) Willie Young f*ckup - possibly the worst defender ever to win an international cap (for Scotland). If I remember correctly, the guy who scored the winner (Osborne) had to leave the field through exhaustion/injury immediately after scoring.
I remember Arnold Murhen was a good player. Aye they had a very good team then.
Didn't Mike Tyson play for them?
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 23, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 23, 2009, 02:24:51 PM
QuoteThe people who are old enough to remember Ipswich playing Arsenal off the park in 1978 are also struggling to stop memory decay.
I remember, the goal came from (yet another) Willie Young f*ckup - possibly the worst defender ever to win an international cap (for Scotland). If I remember correctly, the guy who scored the winner (Osborne) had to leave the field through exhaustion/injury immediately after scoring.
I remember Arnold Murhen was a good player. Aye they had a very good team then.
Didn't Mike Tyson play for them?
No
Mike Tyson!!!!
Frans Thijssen, another Dutch international. They won the UEFA Cup in 1981 beating AZ Alkmaar (this years Dutch champions), as well under Bobby Robson. Mick Mills was the skipper and also captained England in 1982 WC in the absence of injured Kevin Keegan.
Although if the rumours are to be believed the sacking of Magilton was pretty grubby, at the same time Ipswich have been quick to move and get the man they wanted before others started to court him. There will be a lot of vacant jobs in the summer, some even in the Premiership and some closer to Macnchester. There were even rumours of him being looked at by QPR. If Ipswich wanted Keane as much as they said they did, then now is the time to get him, before any more potential offers landed on Michael Kennedy's desk.
Back in the day, Ipswich used to have a super sub a la David Fairclough called Kevin O'Callaghan (Irish international) who was always their twelfth man. Although a winger, he bizarrely also played the goalkeeper in Escape to Victory, that was before Sly Stallone broke his arm so that ehe could take the position, strangest bit of casting ever.... well no Michael Caine as a footballer was stranger....... and not a lot of people know that!!!!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 23, 2009, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 23, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 23, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 23, 2009, 02:24:51 PM
QuoteThe people who are old enough to remember Ipswich playing Arsenal off the park in 1978 are also struggling to stop memory decay.
I remember, the goal came from (yet another) Willie Young f*ckup - possibly the worst defender ever to win an international cap (for Scotland). If I remember correctly, the guy who scored the winner (Osborne) had to leave the field through exhaustion/injury immediately after scoring.
I remember Arnold Murhen was a good player. Aye they had a very good team then.
Didn't Mike Tyson play for them?
No
Tiger Woods?
I remember Muhren alright from his Unied days. Wasa fine player and was on the 1983 FA Cup winning team. They also had the ever modest Eric Gates if memory serves.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 23, 2009, 08:00:38 PM
I remember Muhren alright from his Unied days. Wasa fine player and was on the 1983 FA Cup winning team. They also had the ever modest Eric Gates if memory serves.
Muhren hit the cross for that Van Basten volley v Russia if I recall. He was over 35 at the time I think as well.
I think Keanes tenure will be short and the divorce will be messy when it happens. Two years tops and he will be gone but I really dont think he will last 18 months.
I am sure he is going to be interested in the Ireland job when it next comes up, I hope to God he doesnt get it.
QuoteEric Gates
Gates had a head on him like a well slapped arse.
The odds of 3/1 against Ipswich getting promotion are not that bad.
11/1 to top the league table.
Keane has been talking about being impressed with the ambition of the club.
I presume that means, not just the ambition to meet his salary demands plus bonuses, but also money for new signings.
If Keane has learnt from his drunken redneck shotgun approach to signings he might well get them promoted easily enough.
Lets say, I wouldn't bet against them getting promoted.
Romeo Zonderman... there's a name. John Wark as well.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 23, 2009, 09:06:41 PM
QuoteEric Gates
Gates had a head on him like a well slapped arse.
He headed up to Sunderland when he left Ipswich when Lawrie McMenemy took over as the Messiah aat Roker Park and signed up a whole load of over 30s , all on big money.... I think Sunderland ended up getting relegated that year.
QuoteAm I the only genuine Ipswich fan on this board?
Cooper
Burley
Mills
Butcher
Beattie/Osman
Muhren
Thijssen
Wark
Gates
Mariner
Brazil
..and no...I didnt need to use Google...
(edit: ok, I did have to check on how to spell Thijssen !)
The team as I remember it from the early 80s was
Cooper
McCall - Butcher - Osman - Mills
Thijssen - Muhren - Wark - Gates
Brazil - Mariner
Beattie was gone by then, and Zondervan didnt arrive till later. Burley was there or thereabouts, but my memory is Steve McCall got more games around then.
Twas a super team, 3rd-2nd-2nd in a 3 year spell, should really have won it the year Villa did, but at least they won a UEFA Cup.
Was funny though that Gates, Brazil and Mariner who were all brilliant at Ipswich, did not live up to expectations when they moved on.
I saw briefly Keanes press conference yesterday and he went up in my estimation due to the total disdain he showed Garth Crooks when he asked Keane a few daft questions.
Quote from: Minder on April 24, 2009, 08:05:10 AM
I saw briefly Keanes press conference yesterday and he went up in my estimation due to the total disdain he showed Garth Crooks when he asked Keane a few daft questions.
Is Garth Crooks capable of asking any other type of question?
Quote from: Hound on April 24, 2009, 07:54:33 AM
The team as I remember it from the early 80s was
Cooper
McCall - Butcher - Osman - Mills
Thijssen - Muhren - Wark - Gates
Brazil - Mariner
Beattie was gone by then, and Zondervan didnt arrive till later. Burley was there or thereabouts, but my memory is Steve McCall got more games around then.
Twas a super team, 3rd-2nd-2nd in a 3 year spell, should really have won it the year Villa did, but at least they won a UEFA Cup.
Was funny though that Gates, Brazil and Mariner who were all brilliant at Ipswich, did not live up to expectations when they moved on.
Amazingly Villa won the title in '81 using just 14 players for the entire season....... goes to show how much the game has changed and Ipswich wouldn't have used many more than that either and I think it was only the likes of David Geddis, Mich D'avry and Kevin O'Callaghan that got any games. I think Steve McCall used t slot into midfield at times too as well as contesting the full back slot with Burley. They had a sub keeper at the time who had been with them for years before Paul Cooper came along called Lawrie Sivell. Cooper was the penalty saving expert (and not an ipod in sight) and generally regarded as the best keeper of his generation never to win an England cap..... mind you he did have Shilton, Clemence and Corrigan in his way.
QuotePaul Cooper
As I recall, his 'big' problem was he was too small (5'9"). He holds the amazing record that of the 10 penalties he faced in the 1979-80 season, he saved 8 of them - even Rufus T Firefly would be impressed.
Alf Ramsey managed Ipswich to the old D1 title in 1961, their only time to win the title. They've always had decent managers, and I don't think Keane will let that record down.
A shocking fued has developed between Keane and Cascarino:
A brave, and some may say foolhardy, Tony Cascarino has laid down the gauntlet to Roy Keane after being the subject of stinging criticism from the new Ipswich manager, telling his former international team-mate that 'Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance'.
A rift was driven between the two former Republic of Ireland colleagues when Cascarino claimed in December that no club would want to employ Keane following his decision to walk out on Sunderland.
When asked about the comments in a press conference on Thursday, Keane responded by stating that Cascarino 'Is a man I certainly do not respect' and that the reasons for that dislike would 'shock' people if ever revealed.
Cascarino has responded by claiming he has nothing to hide though, threatening Keane with his own revelations as well as claiming he has the stomach for a public battle with the notoriously intense figure.
"Roy Keane's got 'shocking' information about me? I'd like to know what that is," wrote Cascarino in The Times. "Tell the world, Roy. I've got nothing to hide.
"But I know plenty about you that would shock quite a few people. If Roy's trying to intimidate me, it won't work. You can't bully me, Roy — Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance.
"As for him not respecting what I say, I couldn't give two hoots. I won't lose a minute's sleep. It's funny, I never had a fallout with Roy over a decade as Ireland team-mates, but as soon as I started writing my honest opinion about the way he behaves, he didn't like it.
"Roy needs to look at his own behaviour, not mine. He needs to ask why rumours spread within the game about why many players at Sunderland weren't happy while he was in charge there.
"He should look at why he left Sunderland in the lurch, just like he did with Ireland. Will the same thing happen at Ipswich?"
http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/Football/2009/04/24/Championship-Cascarino-on-Keane/gnid-50026/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/Football/2009/04/24/Championship-Cascarino-on-Keane/gnid-50026/)
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 24, 2009, 09:35:40 AM
Alf Ramsey managed Ipswich to the old D1 title in 1961, their only time to win the title. They've always had decent managers, and I don't think Keane will let that record down.
I agree. I think Ipswich is the perfect place for Keane to relaunch his managerial career. They have modest ambition and have always given their managers a fair go. Yes they want to be in the Premiership, but if it doesn't happen next year they won't get bent out of shape about it, as long as there is progress. How they finished their relationship with Magilton is another argument , but he still got three seasons in the job. My club, QPR have had something like seven managers in that same period of time and are mid-table - the same as Ipswich. People like John Lyall, George Burley, Bobby Ferguson and Joe Royle all got fair cracks at it too. There will be hope among the supporters but he will get time to get it right. I can see Keane still being manager of Ipswich in five years time and certainly if he is prepared to move his family down that direction then that is a statement of intent in my mind.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on April 24, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
A shocking fued has developed between Keane and Cascarino:
A brave, and some may say foolhardy, Tony Cascarino has laid down the gauntlet to Roy Keane after being the subject of stinging criticism from the new Ipswich manager, telling his former international team-mate that 'Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance'.
A rift was driven between the two former Republic of Ireland colleagues when Cascarino claimed in December that no club would want to employ Keane following his decision to walk out on Sunderland.
When asked about the comments in a press conference on Thursday, Keane responded by stating that Cascarino 'Is a man I certainly do not respect' and that the reasons for that dislike would 'shock' people if ever revealed.
Cascarino has responded by claiming he has nothing to hide though, threatening Keane with his own revelations as well as claiming he has the stomach for a public battle with the notoriously intense figure.
"Roy Keane's got 'shocking' information about me? I'd like to know what that is," wrote Cascarino in The Times. "Tell the world, Roy. I've got nothing to hide.
"But I know plenty about you that would shock quite a few people. If Roy's trying to intimidate me, it won't work. You can't bully me, Roy — Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance.
"As for him not respecting what I say, I couldn't give two hoots. I won't lose a minute's sleep. It's funny, I never had a fallout with Roy over a decade as Ireland team-mates, but as soon as I started writing my honest opinion about the way he behaves, he didn't like it.
"Roy needs to look at his own behaviour, not mine. He needs to ask why rumours spread within the game about why many players at Sunderland weren't happy while he was in charge there.
"He should look at why he left Sunderland in the lurch, just like he did with Ireland. Will the same thing happen at Ipswich?"
http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/Football/2009/04/24/Championship-Cascarino-on-Keane/gnid-50026/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/Football/2009/04/24/Championship-Cascarino-on-Keane/gnid-50026/)
Go! Casa-give him hell. Keane can't handle the truth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo)
If you read the summary of Keane's press conference where he has a go at Quinn and Ellis Short again and rubbishes Bruce, Hughes etc as managers, the theme of "It's everybody's fault execept mine" comes to the fore again. Until Keane accepts (even in his own head) responsibility for his own mistakes he will not make as a manager at higher levels than Ipswich.
...and stops walking out when he is needed...
He is a joke of a man sold out the country and should neevr be forgiven.
QuoteIf you read the summary of Keane's press conference where he has a go at Quinn and Ellis Short again and rubbishes Bruce, Hughes etc as managers, the theme of "It's everybody's fault execept mine" comes to the fore again
If you actually listen to the press conference you'll see that this isn't what he said. Rubbish Hughes and Bruce - no he said they hadn't won anything - true, but that Hughes had done a good job at Blackburn but faced a different challenge at Man City - again true and he said that Bruce had done a good job this season with Wigan -true - but that he had been a manager for 6/7 years but had won nothing -again true.
I'm always amazed at how hype surrounds Keane's utterances. He's said that he's made mistakes in the past and hopes to learn from them so nothing sensationalist there. As far Cascarino does anyone really take anything he says seriously?
I think he was wrong to leave Sunderland but in the larger scheme of things it's not the greatest mistake he could have made. Signing those idiots Chimbonda etc was much worse in my mind
Quote from: Declan on April 24, 2009, 10:37:51 AM
I think he was wrong to leave Sunderland but in the larger scheme of things it's not the greatest mistake he could have made. Signing those idiots Chimbonda etc was much worse in my mind
It's one of the issues with the criteria for management nowadays too. The PL etc insist on having managers with UEFA Pro Licence and that is a good thing to a point. However, if you are fully qualified as a coach but haven't a clue how to operate in the transfer market , then you won't necessarily be a successful manager. A "common sense" qualification might be a lot more useful to most managers. After all, surely it's the coaches that need the pro Licence not the managers. Harry Rednapp appointed Les Ferdinand and Tim Sherwood, both TV pundits, as coaches at Spurs when he took over and I'm pretty sure neither of them has a Pro Licence but they are the one's working with the players. Often a manager at or near the very top is only as good as his ability to work in the transfer market.
Quote from: irunthev on April 24, 2009, 10:07:16 AM
I agree. I think Ipswich is the perfect place for Keane to relaunch his managerial career. They have modest ambition and have always given their managers a fair go. Yes they want to be in the Premiership, but if it doesn't happen next year they won't get bent out of shape about it, as long as there is progress. How they finished their relationship with Magilton is another argument , but he still got three seasons in the job. My club, QPR have had something like seven managers in that same period of time and are mid-table - the same as Ipswich. People like John Lyall, George Burley, Bobby Ferguson and Joe Royle all got fair cracks at it too. There will be hope among the supporters but he will get time to get it right. I can see Keane still being manager of Ipswich in five years time and certainly if he is prepared to move his family down that direction then that is a statement of intent in my mind.
If reports are to be believed, he turned qpr down last week - ven with the promise of a fortune to spend.
Quote from: The GAA on April 24, 2009, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: irunthev on April 24, 2009, 10:07:16 AM
I agree. I think Ipswich is the perfect place for Keane to relaunch his managerial career. They have modest ambition and have always given their managers a fair go. Yes they want to be in the Premiership, but if it doesn't happen next year they won't get bent out of shape about it, as long as there is progress. How they finished their relationship with Magilton is another argument , but he still got three seasons in the job. My club, QPR have had something like seven managers in that same period of time and are mid-table - the same as Ipswich. People like John Lyall, George Burley, Bobby Ferguson and Joe Royle all got fair cracks at it too. There will be hope among the supporters but he will get time to get it right. I can see Keane still being manager of Ipswich in five years time and certainly if he is prepared to move his family down that direction then that is a statement of intent in my mind.
If reports are to be believed, he turned qpr down last week - ven with the promise of a fortune to spend.
I think Briatore's track record with "terminating contracts" as he likes to put it, will be off-putting to any manager. He insists that he doesn't interfere with team selections, but by all accounts, he will express his displeasure f you pick a team he doesn't approve of.... that displeasure, once exhibited a couple of times, generally ends up with having your contract terminated. He also insists that he never sacks anyone.... merely terminates their contract and says that his legal team are looking into taking action against the press for using the word sacking. As much as I want QPR to be a success and as glad as I am that Briatore is in there, I think they will struggle to get a manager of any real pedigree as long as the owners continue to be as hands on. In Briatore's defence, his argument is that if he is the one paying the bills and the wages, why wouldn't he have say in how things are run. Alas that's not the way football in England has always been run.... the English game has always enjoyed its "generous benefactors" and the "interfering investor" still has to find their place in the game.
Strongest defence i've heard of Keane's coaching abiity is that from the point where he took over at sunderland at the bottom of the championship til he won the title that may, he spent an overall balance of £4.5m
James Lawton of the (London) Independent not a big Keano fan then??
His greatest obsession will always be himself
Almost everyone defers to Roy Keane, even the bookmakers who yesterday installed Ipswich Town as favourites to win the Championship as a reflex reaction to his appointment. It's a habit of mind, untouched apparently by his shameful exit from Sunderland when the going got tough, and is hardly surprising when you consider the meaning of all his years at Old Trafford and his initial impact at the Stadium of Light.
But sometimes you have to separate an aura, however ferociously well established the reputation that has made it, and the reality of the performance.
When you do this, Ipswich's reclusive billionaire owner, Marcus Evans, cannot be said to have invested in a sure thing.
It is the gamble that the Sunderland chairman, Niall Quinn, made when he overrode his own personally, and painfully, acquired evidence that Keane's greatest obsession will probably always be himself and his own convenience – and saw the wager collapse in a dereliction of commitment and loyalty that still leaves a bitter taste.
The indictment against Keane, however much you recognise his days as arguably the most influential player in the history of the Premier League, and his superb contribution to Ireland's cause right up the moment of ultimate betrayal in Saipan in 2002, is not easily withdrawn as he takes up his duties in the footsteps of the football knights, Alf Ramsey and Bobby Robson – men who made indelible marks on the history of the club because of their knowledge and, above all else, their understanding that a football club is about rather more than your own sense of importance and destiny.
It is about nurturing the character and the self-belief of your players. It is to do with an understanding of strengths and weaknesses and the best way of developing potential.
It rewards working closely with your players, understanding their strengths and their weakness, and proving to them that you are there for the long haul, for those disappointments and failures which inevitably come before the moments of success. It is never about quitting when things are going not quite as you hoped – or when the man who pays your wages, and gives you more or less everything you have ever asked for, demands a little time to talk over his concerns – and get a little measure, maybe, of how you are standing up to, say, a humiliating 4-1 thrashing by Bolton Wanderers.
Those of us who had few qualms about predicting a serious managerial future for Keane based our optimism on the sense of the player and the remorseless leadership and influence he exerted on the field for Manchester United, a role that even the all-seeing, all-powerful Sir Alex Ferguson was happy to celebrate.
But then along with that promise was the nag of Saipan, where Keane made the interests of the team he had helped so magnificently to reach the World Cup finals, so secondary to his own frustration about how the team was being prepared.
The trouble with the Sunderland episode is that it produced so many echoes of the one in Saipan.
It spoke of a man answerable only to his own moods and whims – and prejudices. It suggested someone who could make a virtue in his own mind of behaviour which would strike another only as outrageously impulsive and self-involved.
When Sunderland picked up the challenge of survival in the Premier League, and fought bravely to a narrow defeat at Old Trafford, Keane's temporary replacement Ricky Sbragia was at pains not to besmirch the name of his departed boss. Of course Roy Keane would emerge as a major figure in the game. Of course he had the right stuff. But Sbragia, no doubt necessarily, was less illuminating when asked to explain Keane's role, and the extent to which it had been hands-on.
The reality was evident soon enough. Keane had often been the absent squire. He had affected some of the style of his one-time mentor Brian Clough, but without the certainty of his effect. There was no insurrection, no pleadings, when Keane made the telephone call that said it was all over.
What was over, precisely? It was the time when Keane could ride with all the glory of a warrior – and a winner. A time when no player could look at Keane the manager and doubt his right to make demands on what he perceived to be the limit of available talent.
One wave of Keane's hand to a crowd yearning for success was enough to provoke thousands of dreams. But that was before the manager submitted himself to the test that has been applied to every manager football has ever known: the test of his nerve and staying power.
When he left Sunderland Keane made something of a philosophical statement, albeit one to provoke a string of questions, the most important one concerning his own motivation – and the sense of what he could do and what he couldn't.
Keane said, "Alex Ferguson comes out and says, 'You never know what he is going to do next'. What did he think I was going to do? Go backpacking around Mexico? I have five kids. Football is in my blood. I'd just had enough at Sunderland. End of bloody story."
No, of course, it wasn't the end of the story – merely an opening chapter of disquieting implications. The most serious is that Roy Keane is not a man for all seasons, only those which suit his mood of the moment. It is a luxury he cannot expect now when he comes back to deference that, as a manager, he has not begun to deserve.
Alf Ramsay.......... Bobby Robson..........Roy Keane. Not a patch on his illustrious predecessors. I get the impression that Ipswich FC are a club that prides itself on its history and how they behave/ play the game. Not necessarily a club mad keen (no pun) for success. A smallish club for a smallish rural town.
Wonder if Keano is the right man for the job.
Lots of truths in what Lawton said but there is also the fact that the landscape changed for Keane at Sunderland, whereby when he went there he had Quinn and the other Irish investors begging him to come and giving him carte blanche to do what he pleased. They were loving having the "legend" in their midst (I use that word with a degree of irony and caution knowing that it will infuriate half the board members) Then the American came in and changed the rules... a move that certainly factored in Keane's decision to walk out... albeit at a peculiar time in the season. However, I think that at Ipswich he knows what he is signing up to and I can't see him being prepared to commit to the job and move his family to Suffolk if he wasn't prepared to accept the conditions laid down by the owners and board. I was never a fan of Keane the player and resented what he did in '02, but at the same time I am prepared to give Keane the manager the benefit of the doubt... for now at elast.
Quote from: Declan on April 24, 2009, 10:37:51 AM
QuoteIf you read the summary of Keane's press conference where he has a go at Quinn and Ellis Short again and rubbishes Bruce, Hughes etc as managers, the theme of "It's everybody's fault execept mine" comes to the fore again
If you actually listen to the press conference you'll see that this isn't what he said. Rubbish Hughes and Bruce - no he said they hadn't won anything - true, but that Hughes had done a good job at Blackburn but faced a different challenge at Man City - again true and he said that Bruce had done a good job this season with Wigan -true - but that he had been a manager for 6/7 years but had won nothing -again true.
I'm always amazed at how hype surrounds Keane's utterances. He's said that he's made mistakes in the past and hopes to learn from them so nothing sensationalist there. As far Cascarino does anyone really take anything he says seriously?
I think he was wrong to leave Sunderland but in the larger scheme of things it's not the greatest mistake he could have made. Signing those idiots Chimbonda etc was much worse in my mind
I don't know Declan, he says 'until an ex teammate of mine goes on and actually wins something , then i would not agree with what you are saying about them being a successful manager. You need a bit more than what those managers have achieved yet'
So he is saying you have to be winning to be considerd sucessful, only a couple of teams can win any one year but surely success is relative to any number of reasons, would he not consider Zola a sucees for what he has achieved this year? What about Moyes at Everton?
By Roy's standards then he must have a very low opinion of himself :)
Quote from: irunthev on April 24, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 24, 2009, 08:05:10 AM
I saw briefly Keanes press conference yesterday and he went up in my estimation due to the total disdain he showed Garth Crooks when he asked Keane a few daft questions.
Is Garth Crooks capable of asking any other type of question?
I thought he was a country singer. ;)
Quote from: Main Street on April 24, 2009, 09:00:31 PM
By Roy's standards then he must have a very low opinion of himself :)
:D :D
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 24, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
If you read the summary of Keane's press conference where he has a go at Quinn and Ellis Short again and rubbishes Bruce, Hughes etc as managers, the theme of "It's everybody's fault execept mine" comes to the fore again. Until Keane accepts (even in his own head) responsibility for his own mistakes he will not make as a manager at higher levels than Ipswich.
New Ipswich Town boss Roy Keane has begun his tenure at Portman Road by questioning the achievements of his former Manchester United team-mates in management.
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Roy Keane: The new Ipswich Town boss
The ex-Sunderland boss, who quit the Stadium of Light last December, returned to football on Thursday when he was unveiled as the Tractor Boys' replacement for the sacked Jim Magilton.
Keane will take charge of his first game on Saturday when Ipswich travel to Championship play-off hopefuls Cardiff.
And the former Republic of Ireland international has started his career in Suffolk in characteristically honest fashion by insisting former United team-mates Steve Bruce and Mark Hughes have yet to become 'successful' managers.
The respective Wigan and Manchester City leaders are often heralded among the Premier League's best, but Keane disagrees, saying: "Until an ex-team-mate of mine from '94 goes on and really achieves something, then I would not agree about them being a successful manager.
"You need a bit more than some of those managers have achieved yet.
"Who are the good managers you are talking about? Sparky (Hughes) and Brucie have not won a trophy have they?
"They have potential and Steve Bruce has had a good season. But Steve Bruce has been manager how many years?
"Sparky has done a brilliant job at Blackburn but is facing different challenges at Man City. We are all facing different challenges."
Is there anyone out there this eejit wont pick apart. With friends like him who needs enemies. ::)
I liked Hughes's response
"Everyone knows what Roy's like and having him back in football makes it interesting for the Championship, so good luck to him. I'm not going to be coming into much contact with him, obviously."
But obviously a lot of people don't realise that Keane talks a lot of egocentric drivel and contradicts himself more times than Dunphy.
Surely money and a big club has nothing to with a talented ambitious manager achieving success ::)
Didn't a small poor club like Blackburn win the EPL ...... once upon a time.
Quote from: irunthev on April 24, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
Lots of truths in what Lawton said but there is also the fact that the landscape changed for Keane at Sunderland, whereby when he went there he had Quinn and the other Irish investors begging him to come and giving him carte blanche to do what he pleased. They were loving having the "legend" in their midst (I use that word with a degree of irony and caution knowing that it will infuriate half the board members) Then the American came in and changed the rules... a move that certainly factored in Keane's decision to walk out... albeit at a peculiar time in the season. However, I think that at Ipswich he knows what he is signing up to and I can't see him being prepared to commit to the job and move his family to Suffolk if he wasn't prepared to accept the conditions laid down by the owners and board. I was never a fan of Keane the player and resented what he did in '02, but at the same time I am prepared to give Keane the manager the benefit of the doubt... for now at elast.
Sorry, but as a Man Utd fan, I thought Keane was a great player and I backed him in 02. Now I disagree with Keane the manager. Great players..... you all know the rest.
ipswich winning away from home 2 nil against cardiff!!
2/1 they were too !!!
I have been an ITFC follower since 1976, no bandwagon here...in fact after Robson left, it has been a feckin hearse.
Didn't Muhren and Thijssen join Ipswich after the World cup along with Alberto Tarantino to Birmingham, Ardiles and Villa to Spurs? There were in the team that beat Man Utd 6-0 at Portman Road, in a game where Gary Bailey saved THREE penalties.
Keane on Late Late tonight to tell us how to live our lives.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 01, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Keane on Late Late tonight to tell us how to live our lives.
He'd make a great host.
I was going to go down and watch the LLS - thanks for the warning.
" A lot of people claim to be friends of mine - they're not. "
What's the score with him and Dunphy now ??
" A lot of people claim to be friends of mine - they're not. "
That's just Roy deluding himself with his Bob Dylan identity fantasies
Quote from: Main Street on May 02, 2009, 02:33:20 PM
" A lot of people claim to be friends of mine - they're not. "
That's just Roy deluding himself with his Bob Dylan identity fantasies
I bet it has made a few "friends" think all the same.
He had a very strange dig at an unnamed Ireland player in an interview in the Indo yesterday or the day before. Something along the lines of 'there's a fella who hasn't done anything for his club for a couple of years, and I don't know how he manages to walk onto the Ireland team every time he comes over'. He has to be on about Kevin Kilbane, it was very obvious. As a United fan, I've always liked Roy but I think this was a bit of a low blow.
Quote from: AFS on May 02, 2009, 03:31:58 PM
He had a very strange dig at an unnamed Ireland player in an interview in the Indo yesterday or the day before. Something along the lines of 'there's a fella who hasn't done anything for his club for a couple of years, and I don't know how he manages to walk onto the Ireland team every time he comes over'. He has to be on about Kevin Kilbane, it was very obvious. As a United fan, I've always liked Roy but I think this was a bit of a low blow.
He keeps people thinking. That's for sure.
Quote from: orangeman on May 02, 2009, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 02, 2009, 03:31:58 PM
He had a very strange dig at an unnamed Ireland player in an interview in the Indo yesterday or the day before. Something along the lines of 'there's a fella who hasn't done anything for his club for a couple of years, and I don't know how he manages to walk onto the Ireland team every time he comes over'. He has to be on about Kevin Kilbane, it was very obvious. As a United fan, I've always liked Roy but I think this was a bit of a low blow.
He keeps people thinking. That's for sure.
:D
Yeah, and I understand what ML is on about when people have to dissect every little obscure thing he says. But to me this remark seemed very obvious, no dissection needed. I also thought it was strange because he really didn't need to have a pop at this guy, it was uncalled for and a bit disrespectful to a guy that's given a lot for Ireland in the last decade.
Disrespectful no doubt. But at the same time, it's not altogether certain that it was Kilbane that he was referring to. I suppose we might never know.
Quote from: AFS link=topjavascript:void(0);ic=12040.msg537549#msg537549 date=1241274718
He had a very strange dig at an unnamed Ireland player in an interview in the Indo yesterday or the day before. Something along the lines of 'there's a fella who hasn't done anything for his club for a couple of years, and I don't know how he manages to walk onto the Ireland team every time he comes over'. He has to be on about Kevin Kilbane, it was very obvious. As a United fan, I've always liked Roy but I think this was a bit of a low blow.
I thought it was Duff he was banging on about..
As for the Late Late show,nothing new really same old I'm right everyone else is wrong shite that he always comes out with.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 02, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: AFS link=topjavascript:void(0);ic=12040.msg537549#msg537549 date=1241274718
He had a very strange dig at an unnamed Ireland player in an interview in the Indo yesterday or the day before. Something along the lines of 'there's a fella who hasn't done anything for his club for a couple of years, and I don't know how he manages to walk onto the Ireland team every time he comes over'. He has to be on about Kevin Kilbane, it was very obvious. As a United fan, I've always liked Roy but I think this was a bit of a low blow.
I thought it was Duff he was banging on about..
As for the Late Late show,nothing new really same old I'm right everyone else is wrong shite that he always comes out with.
Suppose it could've been Duff, but I think Kilbane is more likely. Duff has played a lot more football than Kilbane recently, started almost twice as many games this season.
Quote from: AFS on May 02, 2009, 04:54:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 02, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: AFS link=topjavascript:void(0);ic=12040.msg537549#msg537549 date=1241274718
He had a very strange dig at an unnamed Ireland player in an interview in the Indo yesterday or the day before. Something along the lines of 'there's a fella who hasn't done anything for his club for a couple of years, and I don't know how he manages to walk onto the Ireland team every time he comes over'. He has to be on about Kevin Kilbane, it was very obvious. As a United fan, I've always liked Roy but I think this was a bit of a low blow.
I thought it was Duff he was banging on about..
As for the Late Late show,nothing new really same old I'm right everyone else is wrong shite that he always comes out with.
Suppose it could've been Duff, but I think Kilbane is more likely. Duff has played a lot more football than Kilbane this year, started almost twice as many games.
Maybe but over the last few years Duff hasn't played much with injury and stuff..
In fairness to Kilbane he always gives 100% when playing for Ireland so I be surprised if Keane had something against him but then he seems to have something against most people so it could be anyone really..I guess we'll never know
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 22, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Poor old Jim magilton looks like he's been set up badly. They'll not like this over on OWC. Thought it was strange when I seen on ceefax that they'd sacked him for not making the play offs. They haven't made the play offs for a while have they? Must be about 12 years since they were in the EPL. Was their last season the time United beat them 9-0?
Up to Keane to make a go of this now. He's shown he has the ability, if not quite the temperment.
Been a town fan for years!!
Not 100% sure but have a feeling we've been involved in the play-offs more than any other club(usually without any success), but only ever been successful once. Ironically magilton scorec a hat trick in the home leg of the semi that year.
Last season in top flight 02.Finished fifth the previous year and made UEFA cup place. Beaten by Milan.
United beat them 9-0 the previous time they were up, but We beat them at our place and they finished second that year ....by 2 points!!!
As for Keane.....I shall not be over next season(or as long as He is manager, whichever is shorter).
Lost again today,wonder how long till he walks away ::)
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on September 12, 2009, 05:59:54 PM
Lost again today,wonder how long till he walks away ::)
These southerners ::) eh?
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on September 12, 2009, 05:59:54 PM
Lost again today,wonder how long till he walks away ::)
He will be gone by the new year and if they keep this form up maybe even earlier.
This man should not be coaching a girls team, he is brutal.
I think that if you got him on as a pundit with Dunphy and that other gobshite Spillane you would have some craic altogether. :D
Great to see this guy get found out. It was easy at Sunderland where he had all the money to spend.
In fairness, today's game wouldn't have been one Ipswich would've expected to get much from. Away to the league favourites and that.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 12, 2009, 09:15:25 PM
Great to see this guy get found out. It was easy at Sunderland where he had all the money to spend.
Ireland, Man Utd., Sunderland - all walk away.
Surely to any reasoned observer this guy has been found out before now.
George Burley will be back as Ipswich manager before Christmas.
Whats really funny is some of those that worship were tipping him to be the next United manager! I wonder would they take him now lol
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on September 14, 2009, 12:50:26 PM
Whats really funny is some of those that worship were tipping him to be the next United manager! I wonder would they take him now lol
Drogheda United??
After last night he might be lucky to get Bluebell Utd.
Ipswich 0 Newcastle Utd 4 FT
Saw odds of 20/1 earlier today that todays game would be Keanes last with Ipswich. Might have been worth a punt............
I feel no sympathy for Keane. One of the most unlikable people in sport imo.
My 3 yr old daughter asked me earlier why that evil man chewing chewing gum is cross.
I actually like him...Hes a model pro so to speak. When things weren't up to scratch he speaks up and then gets put down as if he's arrogant!
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 27, 2009, 10:49:39 AM
I actually like him...Hes a model pro so to speak. When things weren't up to scratch he speaks up and then gets put down as if he's arrogant!
Huh. Things clearly aren't up to scratch at Ipswich. I look forward to him speaking up about that.
Well he probably has......Not every word he utters is going to be in the press.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 27, 2009, 10:45:40 AM
Roger - at best he divides opinion. You may be unaware of this but quite a lot of people actually like and admire Roy Keane.
As a player he was pretty impressive and had the right platform at United to be so. But he was pretty unlikable with it all the same. As a manager, well he isn't up to much so far and he hasn't changed any of his unlikability in the right direction either.
Quote from: Roger on September 27, 2009, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 27, 2009, 10:45:40 AM
Roger - at best he divides opinion. You may be unaware of this but quite a lot of people actually like and admire Roy Keane.
As a player he was pretty impressive and had the right platform at United to be so. But he was pretty unlikable with it all the same. As a manager, well he isn't up to much so far and he hasn't changed any of his unlikability in the right direction either.
I dont see why people dont like him so much.....He's a pretty quite family man, his kids aren't paraded all over the press. Doesn't stagger out of clubs drunk. "Roast" women...Get accused of raping women, Hit women, drink too much, miss random drug tests, take drugs.
What has he done to make you dislike him so much?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 27, 2009, 11:22:46 AM
I dont see why people dont like him so much.....He's a pretty quite family man, his kids aren't paraded all over the press. Doesn't stagger out of clubs drunk. "Roast" women...Get accused of raping women, Hit women, drink too much, miss random drug tests, take drugs.
What has he done to make you dislike him so much?
The management of his personal life in private is probably his most admirable trait. However, in my view he takes all his strengths that his admirers have identified way too far (single mindedness, professionalism, ruthlessness etc) so they become a weakness and he mixes them with bad temper, poor communication, and introversion. This mix makes him into a very unlikable character imo.
Ipswich were in a reasonable position before Roy came.
He came in early summer to make some changes for the better, to get the team promoted.
He made bad signings. He exercised poor judgement about player's qualities.
He threw out or ostracised some of the squad who were better than what he signed.
The results now are a consequence of his poor decisions not Ipswich's dire straights before he came.
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
Ipswich were in a reasonable position before Roy came.
He came in early summer to make some changes for the better, to get the team promoted.
He made bad signings. He exercised poor judgement about player's qualities.
He threw out or ostracised some of the squad who were better than what he signed.
The results now are a consequence of his poor decisions not Ipswich's dire straights before he came.
But sure its not Roy's fault,did you not know nothing is ever our Roy's fault....
Totally agree with Deiseachs last comment. Great players don't necessarily make great managers. A bloke with a proven past of shitbagging his team mates publicly (United and Ireland) mightn't be the best at getting a panel of 18 or so players, of varying abilities, performing to the max, certainly Ipswichs start to the season would suggest that is the case.
Very hard for me anyway to feel much sympathy for Roy after the way he questioned Mick McCarthy's managerial ability before, during and after Saipan
The supporters who remember Bobby Robson must have been in despair yesterday at the tributes to him and watching that clown Keane walking the line. He's sure to jump any week now.
More fool the Keane disciples that swallowed all those Keane bumper sticker musings, hook line and sinker, as if he was God's annointed.
Remember that one, "fail to prepare, prepare to fail" :)
Quote from: Roger on September 27, 2009, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 27, 2009, 11:22:46 AM
I dont see why people dont like him so much.....He's a pretty quite family man, his kids aren't paraded all over the press. Doesn't stagger out of clubs drunk. "Roast" women...Get accused of raping women, Hit women, drink too much, miss random drug tests, take drugs.
What has he done to make you dislike him so much?
The management of his personal life in private is probably his most admirable trait. However, in my view he takes all his strengths that his admirers have identified way too far (single mindedness, professionalism, ruthlessness etc) so they become a weakness and he mixes them with bad temper, poor communication, and introversion. This mix makes him into a very unlikable character imo.
well said, his rant at mick mccarthy showed the type of man he is. i dont need to hear anymore from this guy. when he does fail tho will someone please remind him of his quote 'fail to prepare. prepare to fail'
Its great to see Keane falling flat on his face. :D After his carry-on at Saipan and that f**king book, its hard not to take pleasure at any professional failures he has. Surely he'll pull his usual trick and walk out some day soon. Stick it up your bollocks Roy
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/Yorke-lifts-lid-on-Keano39s.5683893.jp
Yorke lifts lid on Keano's Sunderland meltdown
Dwight Yorke has given his account of Roy Keane's turbulent last few games in charge of Sunderland.
In his new autobiography, Born to Score, Yorke tells of the moments Keane is alleged to have screamed at his players during the half-time break when his side were trailing to League One side Northampton Town in the Carling Cup.
Yorke, whose book is being serialised in the News of the World, wrote of how the manager's relationship with the Sunderland fans began to sour during that clash.
And he went on to describe an explosive scene in the dressing room, where Keane aimed a kung-fu kick at a tactics board before launching a scathing attack on club captain Dean Whitehead and defender Danny Collins.
Keane once again blew his top as Sunderland went down 1-0 to Stoke City at the Britannia Stadium the month after.
Although the game was goalless at half-time, the former Manchester United captain still read his team the riot act.
Another tactics board bit the dust after a second kung-fu assault. Then Keane kicked-off a tirade at his players by telling Yorke he was being substituted.
The Trindad and Tobago international 'took the decision on the chin', a move which reportedly annoyed Keane.
Born to Score.
Good name for a Dwight Yorke book.
Dwight sent Keane a text after walking out on his first job in management.
"So I sent him a text saying how sorry I was how things had turned out, but thanking him for the chance at Sunderland and wishing him all the best for the future.
"Ten minutes later, I got my reply: 'Go f*** yourself.'
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 28, 2009, 04:47:41 PM
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/Yorke-lifts-lid-on-Keano39s.5683893.jp
Yorke lifts lid on Keano's Sunderland meltdown
Dwight Yorke has given his account of Roy Keane's turbulent last few games in charge of Sunderland.
In his new autobiography, Born to Score, Yorke tells of the moments Keane is alleged to have screamed at his players during the half-time break when his side were trailing to League One side Northampton Town in the Carling Cup.
Yorke, whose book is being serialised in the News of the World, wrote of how the manager's relationship with the Sunderland fans began to sour during that clash.
And he went on to describe an explosive scene in the dressing room, where Keane aimed a kung-f* kick at a tactics board before launching a scathing attack on club captain Dean Whitehead and defender Danny Collins.
Keane once again blew his top as Sunderland went down 1-0 to Stoke City at the Britannia Stadium the month after.
Although the game was goalless at half-time, the former Manchester United captain still read his team the riot act.
Another tactics board bit the dust after a second kung-f* assault. Then Keane kicked-off a tirade at his players by telling Yorke he was being substituted.
The Trindad and Tobago international 'took the decision on the chin', a move which reportedly annoyed Keane.
Wow. Astonishing revelations there. Kung-fu kick no less.
I played in a Junior game where the manager kicked the door in after fulltime. We weren't supposed to leave the pitch as we were playing extra time but he was determined to give us a bollocking so he ordered us into the dressingroom and kicked the door in.
The same man went on to have a radio programme. Just as well none of us were sensitive soccer stars who would write a book whinging about it. ::)
QuoteJust as well none of us were sensitive soccer stars who would write a book whinging about it.
???
Just exactly where does our intrepid scorer whinge?
He is telling tales of a manager who lost on the pitch and lost it in the dressing room at half time.
"The board goes up. And Keano takes a running jump and smashes it over with a kung-f* kick. He screamed at Danny Collins: 'Never come to me and ask for a contract again.' And then the captain, Dean Whitehead, is next. 'Captain? Captain? Some f***in' captain you are,' he rages, slapping Dean about the head in the process, before turning on us all. 'I can't trust any of you!'Whinge?
Quite the contrary with the bould Dwight, he could eyeball the gaffer and take it on the chin like a man.
I think Dwight got more hairdryers from fergie than any other player at Old Trafford during his time there. By thye time Roy got him Dwight was probably immune to it
Barnsley 2 Ipswich 1 (winner scored in fifth minute of injury time). Roy ("you're a crap manager Mick McCarthy") Keane should be jumping ship any day now :o
Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 03, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
Barnsley 2 Ipswich 1 (winner scored in fifth minute of injury time). Roy ("you're a crap manager Mick McCarthy") Keane should be jumping ship any day now :o
He'll hardlly last the weekend.
Big tough Roy was furious tonight when the interviewer asked him if he planed to stay at the club :P Jees! he was angry and says, 'I won't answer that.' Interveiwer says, "can I take that as a yes" and the ship jumper glares, 'Take it whatever way you like." Was more his face and glare expressed the anger. Really, why would the interviewer ask a question like that? ::)
Ah Fox but he is a "winner"
Maybe he 'failed to prepare'... :P
you would have to reckon that if Roy was to walk before he is pushed (again) that he would be kissing any future managerial career goodbye. But then you can't legislate for the type of fool that would buy a club these days. I reckon Jamie Carragher is looking over his shoulder in fear as we type
Dwight Yorke said this week that Roy would make a good international manager because he would have always good players to pick from.
Can't see the logic in this. Ireland etc won't always have good players -
Quote from: orangeman on October 04, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
Dwight Yorke said this week that Roy would make a good international manager because he would have always good players to pick from.
Can't see the logic in this. Ireland etc won't always have good players -
We only have about 3 at the moment........
Ipswich throw away a lead in injury time yet again....
Cheered me up anyway :)
poor roy, another one in the last minute
Quote from: gerry on October 20, 2009, 10:11:49 PM
poor roy, another one in the last minute
Know how he feels ! >:( :(
Go on Roy!
Whats all the hatred of Roy Keane on this thread all about. Is it because of what happened in Saipan or is it some brainless Man U/Liverpool bullshit?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
Whats all the hatred of Roy Keane on this thread all about. Is it because of what happened in Saipan or is it some brainless Man U/Liverpool bullshit?
Probably the latter, or maybe its because he's a Corkman!
Seriously though I hope the guy makes a go of it with Ipswich. Love him or loathe him, he is one of the few personalities within the soccer circus who will call a spade a spade.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2009, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
Whats all the hatred of Roy Keane on this thread all about. Is it because of what happened in Saipan or is it some brainless Man U/Liverpool bullshit?
Probably the latter, or maybe its because he's a Corkman!
Seriously though I hope the guy makes a go of it with Ipswich. Love him or loathe him, he is one of the few personalities within the soccer circus who will call a spade a spade.
If only he had the ability to look at his own shortcomings instead of pointing fingers elsewhere.
I do not hope he succeeds and I do not hope he fails, I just don't care however from what i have seen from this lad so far as a manager he is punching above his weight as he has been very poor thus far.
I think he was always open and honest about his own shortcomings as a player. I'd say he is his own harshest critic as a manager.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 31, 2009, 08:45:20 PM
I think he was always open and honest about his own shortcomings as a player. I'd say he is his own harshest critic as a manager.
yet he still leads teams knowing he is not getting the job done, Ipswich are dying on the vine and he has set them back because he is not good enough to manage at this level.
Well he isn't having a good time as a manager at the moment but he was able to move Sunderland from bottom of the championship to top in less than one season so he can't be all bad. He has surely also picked something up from working with two of the greatest managers ever in Ferguson and Clough. Some players (like Yorke) complain about his aggression but both Ferguson and Clough were famous for the "hairdryer" treatment. If you do "hairdryer" and lose then you are a poor motivator but do it and win and you are great and taking no shit.
I agree that Keane has a case to answer on his behavior in Saipan but I also have affection for him as he was the greatest Irish soccer player I have ever seen and achieved everything that could be achieved as a club player. He also was a key man for Ireland which many people conveniently forget. But most pathetic of all is Liverpool and United fans basing their opinions on Keane based on a bias for two foreign clubs - that is pathetic in my book.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 08:51:57 PM
Well he isn't having a good time as a manager at the moment but he was able to move Sunderland from bottom of the championship to top in less than one season so he can't be all bad. He has surely also picked something up from working with two of the greatest managers ever in Ferguson and Clough. Some players (like Yorke) complain about his aggression but both Ferguson and Clough were famous for the "hairdryer" treatment. If you do "hairdryer" and lose then you are a poor motivator but do it and win and you are great and taking no shit.
I agree that Keane has a case to answer on his behavior in Saipan but I also have affection for him as he was the greatest Irish soccer player I have ever seen and achieved everything that could be achieved as a club player. He also was a key man for Ireland which many people conveniently forget. But most pathetic of all is Liverpool and United fans basing their opinions on Keane based on a bias for two foreign clubs - that is pathetic in my book.
Agreed
I'm objective :)
Nothing like the sweet smell of the chickens coming home to roost for that langer.
Quote from: Main Street on October 31, 2009, 09:10:15 PM
I'm objective :)
Nothing like the sweet smell of the chickens coming home to roost for that langer.
:D
I dont care about United or liverpool in this situation, i base my opinion on him on Saipan and the fact he was very quick to point haaland was disgusting and cowardly.
I think Keane is choosing the rong time to stay on just to show he can. Still fair play on his first win today.
So are there any Liverpool "fans" that have time for Keane. See if people are not showing a stupid bias based on english soccer clubs then there should be 50% of Liverpool fans that think highly of him (they say the country was split 50/50 on the Saipan issue).
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 09:29:29 PM
So are there any Liverpool "fans" that have time for Keane. See if people are not showing a stupid bias based on english soccer clubs then there should be 50% of Liverpool fans that think highly of him (they say the country was split 50/50 on the Saipan issue).
I wouldnt say that i think highly of him but i dont despise him the way i did when he was playing. Any time he is interviewed he is very honest. He just does not seem cut out for management.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 08:51:57 PM
But most pathetic of all is Liverpool and United fans
Precisely the reason I started supporting Ipswich in 1976.
Not overly suicidal about the club, but it is disappointing to see. Mind you Leeds are no better.
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 09:29:29 PM
So are there any Liverpool "fans" that have time for Keane. See if people are not showing a stupid bias based on english soccer clubs then there should be 50% of Liverpool fans that think highly of him (they say the country was split 50/50 on the Saipan issue).
I wouldnt say that i think highly of him but i dont despise him the way i did when he was playing. Any time he is interviewed he is very honest. He just does not seem cut out for management.
Why did you "despise" him as a player?
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
He just does not seem cut out for management.
It might be a bit premature to write him off completely. He's had three years of management - one excellent year, one average year, and one shite year. Getting promoted straight away and getting handed a pile of cash at Sunderland was probably the worst thing that could have happened to him. When starting out, he could've done with a three or four year stint about the Championship with no money and no expectations, where he could've built up a bit of experience.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 31, 2009, 08:51:57 PM
Well he isn't having a good time as a manager at the moment but he was able to move Sunderland from bottom of the championship to top in less than one season so he can't be all bad. He has surely also picked something up from working with two of the greatest managers ever in Ferguson and Clough. Some players (like Yorke) complain about his aggression but both Ferguson and Clough were famous for the "hairdryer" treatment. If you do "hairdryer" and lose then you are a poor motivator but do it and win and you are great and taking no shit.
I agree that Keane has a case to answer on his behavior in Saipan but I also have affection for him as he was the greatest Irish soccer player I have ever seen and achieved everything that could be achieved as a club player. He also was a key man for Ireland which many people conveniently forget. But most pathetic of all is Liverpool and United fans basing their opinions on Keane based on a bias for two foreign clubs - that is pathetic in my book.
I'm a Liverpool fan but thats not the reason I dislike Keane
Quote from: AFS on October 31, 2009, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
He just does not seem cut out for management.
It might be a bit premature to write him off completely. He's had three years of management - one excellent year, one average year, and one shite year. Getting promoted straight away and getting handed a pile of cash at Sunderland was probably the worst thing that could have happened to him. When starting out, he could've done with a three or four year stint about the Championship with no money and no expectations, where he could've built up a bit of experience.
Thats the thing though AFS, no matter where he was there would be huge expectation because he is "Roy Keane".
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2009, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 31, 2009, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2009, 09:31:44 PM
He just does not seem cut out for management.
It might be a bit premature to write him off completely. He's had three years of management - one excellent year, one average year, and one shite year. Getting promoted straight away and getting handed a pile of cash at Sunderland was probably the worst thing that could have happened to him. When starting out, he could've done with a three or four year stint about the Championship with no money and no expectations, where he could've built up a bit of experience.
Thats the thing though AFS, no matter where he was there would be huge expectation because he is "Roy Keane".
Suppose he's done a pretty good job of lowering expectations at Ipswich the last few months anyway. Maybe this was the plan all along. All those last minute winners/ equalisers are starting to make sense.
I would say Jim Magilton is having a laugh, sacked for finishing outside the playoffs last year.
All we can say about Roy as a manger, with any degree of certainty, is that he is better at it than Niall Quinn.
Woooooo hooooo, first win for the season.
Ipswich's first win in 15 games (against the unmitigated disaster of a club that is Derby) warrants a full report in the Sunday Tribune. The media love-in with spit-the-dummy Keano continues.
Credit were credit is due, they won.
Quote from: Leo on November 01, 2009, 11:43:48 AM
Ipswich's first win in 15 games (against the unmitigated disaster of a club that is Derby) warrants a full report in the Sunday Tribune. The media love-in with spit-the-dummy Keano continues.
It's because people like you, who are obsessed with him one way or another, buy it.
Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy left Saipan behind a long time ago. I suggest some others should do so as well.
Roy doesn't leave grudges behind him.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 01, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy left Saipan behind a long time ago. I suggest some others should do so as well.
Roy also left Sunderland and any of these days ditto Ipswich...
Who the f**k are you to tell any what to do Seanie? Nice one fox lol
How are Wolfsburg???
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 08:17:18 AM
Who the f**k are you to tell any what to do Seanie? Nice one fox lol
I made a suggestion if you were able to follow simple English. Obviously a little over your head but that's not a surprise.
Are you as predictable in real life as you are on the internet Seanie! Lol
How are Wolfsburg?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2009, 01:52:08 PM
How are Wolfsburg?
Are they the small team that won the Bundesleague a few years ago? Or maybe the team where everyone is called Wolf?
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
Are you as predictable in real life as you are on the internet Seanie! Lol
One mans predictable is another mans consistent.
Do you realise how gimpish that sounds! Lol
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 04:40:02 PM
Do you realise how gimpish that sounds! Lol
It sounds that way to you and for that I am grateful. Unless you speak for everyone else in the world, which I somehow doubt. ;)
I'd actually think you were funny if i didn't already think you were a saddo! People say pints is the most serious and grumpy on the board my vote goes to you! Lol
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 02, 2009, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2009, 01:52:08 PM
How are Wolfsburg?
Are they the small team that won the Bundesleague a few years ago? Or maybe the team where everyone is called Wolf?
Yes they are. Mr Partitionist supports them. He said he'd do regular updates but he has slipped by the wayside after their loss to Utd a few weeks back.
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 07:23:15 PM
I'd actually think you were funny if i didn't already think you were a saddo! People say pints is the most serious and grumpy on the board my vote goes to you! Lol
If there was a "biggest gob shite ever to own a pc" board vote you'd be so far in front the bookies would pay out before the vote even started.
That's not nice myles! Lol
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
Are you as predictable in real life as you are on the internet Seanie! Lol
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 04:40:02 PM
Do you realise how gimpish that sounds! Lol
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 07:23:15 PM
I'd actually think you were funny if i didn't already think you were a saddo! People say pints is the most serious and grumpy on the board my vote goes to you! Lol
Quote from: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on November 02, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
That's not nice myles! Lol
Personally I think the saddo is the one who posts Lol at the end of every post. The sad thing is I believe you probably do laugh out loud at these pathetic, not in the least bit humourous, comments. If you stop laughing out loud we might promote you to gimp.
Is there many non united fans who actually believe keane has the making of a good manager??!
Very witty muppet!lol
Quote from: stiffler on November 02, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
Is there many non united fans who actually believe keane has the making of a good manager??!
Atm I think if he works hard at it, he has the possibility to be as good as Bryan Robson was for Middlesbrough.
Has been mentioned on FAI thread but the coaching legend ::) deserves this on his own one.
Roy Keane had little sympathy for the Football Association of Ireland's campaign to have their controversial World Cup play-off against France replayed and said: 'What goes around comes around.'
After cutting into the FAI,... Keane laid the blame on Ireland's defence rather than Henry, who handled the ball before crossing for William Gallas to head in.
'I'd focus on why they didn't clear it,' he said. 'I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry. How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you?
'If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?'
He is so full of bitterness and there was never any joy in Keane's game.
Question is , Where the f** was he when Cameroon, Germany and Spain scored against Ireland in 2002 World Cup? Shay Given wasn't walking his dog around Manchester the other nite.
Does Keane think he owns keepers? he might have got away with acting the p***k at United until Ferguson brought him to heel but it is a bit for Keane to be dispensing advice to the current crop of players for the Republic, the last time I checked they played one of the best games for their Country that has ever been played for the Country and not one of them has ever thrown a hissy fit and walked out on his Country or got sacked, depending on your point of view.
Given is a class keeper but for whatever reason Keane is all over him every chance he gets, maybe he is pissed that Given didnt buy into his bile filled ranting in Saipan and saw him for the divisive, self loving hoor that he was.
Roy, focus on the the latest team you are driving into the ground and leave the players that love to play for their country alone you tosser.
Given dropped a few balls that a world class keeper should've held onto. Good job there was an Irish defender there to hoof them away.
Roy Keane has criticised the Football Association of Ireland and chief executive John Delaney, stating in his own inimitable style that "what goes around comes around" in the wake of the country's failure to qualify for the World Cup finals.
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• FIFA reject replay request
• Domenech: Henry's no cheat
• Paper Round: Replay not the answer
• Palmer: Deep gloom engulfs Ireland
• FAI request France replay
• Keane blasts FIFA and UEFA
Ireland attracted the sympathy of millions on Wednesday night when an impressive performance in Paris went unrewarded, with Thierry Henry attracting strong criticism when handling the ball and teeing up William Gallas for the goal that made it 2-1 on aggregate.
But while Keane does feel for Giovanni Trapattoni, his players and the nation that was so infuriated by Henry's actions, his sympathies do not extend to the FAI, which on Friday learned that FIFA had rejected its request for a play-off.
Keane famously clashed with the FAI when he left Ireland's camp at the 2002 World Cup and the Ipswich manager reserved particular ire for Delaney in a strong response to the controversy on Friday.
"I think the supporters deserve better, the manager (Giovanni Trapattoni) deserves better and probably most of the players deserve better, but I'm not sure the FAI deserve better," Keane said. "What goes around comes around.
"People seem to forget what was going on in that World Cup (in 2002), and that man (FAI chief executive John Delaney) is on about honesty. I was one of the players and he didn't have the courtesy to ring me.
"I'd been involved with Ireland since I was 15 years of age and that man didn't have the decency to make a phone call. He could have phoned me, of course he could have."
Keane also claimed that Ireland had been the beneficiaries of fortunate decisions earlier in the campaign, as well as pointing the finger at Shay Given and the Ireland defence for failing to deal with the free-kick that found its way to Henry.
"Ireland had their chances in the two games (against France), and they never took them," Keane added. "But it's the usual FAI reaction - 'We've been robbed', 'The honesty of the game...'
"There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game. I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay.
"I'd focus on why they didn't clear it (the free-kick). I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry. How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you? If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?"
He would be better off asking himself why his ipswich team are complete and utter shite and getting worse or are the FAI to blame for that as well?
Roy needs help, he should forget about the FAI and Ireland and concentrate on the job he is paid to do and that seems to be to mis-manage Ipswich.
Roy Keane came across as a proper cnut in that interview today.
Good footballer yes, but a shit manager and a complete p***k!
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on November 20, 2009, 05:33:45 PM
Roy Keane came across as a proper cnut in that interview today.
Good footballer yes, but a shit manager and a complete p***k!
Once a cnut, always a cnut
God it must stick in the craw to realise how far youve fallen, from hero and idol to what he is now. Hated in his own country, and its pretty much his own doing.
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2009, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on November 20, 2009, 05:33:45 PM
Roy Keane came across as a proper cnut in that interview today.
Good footballer yes, but a shit manager and a complete p***k!
Once a cnut, always a cnut
Agree with all above. An absolute scum bag. Another Cork w**ker.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2009, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2009, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on November 20, 2009, 05:33:45 PM
Roy Keane came across as a proper cnut in that interview today.
Good footballer yes, but a shit manager and a complete p***k!
Once a cnut, always a cnut
Agree with all above. An absolute scum bag. Another Cork w**ker.
Not surprised he's a shit manager, he's hardly someone you'd bust yourself for, I feel sorry for the players!
Has Roy questioned Given any where else?
Its his opinion that the defense should have cleared the ball. Is he wrong?
If it is the friendlies debate, has Kiely not said something about this as well. Is it true?
Givin is the best goalkeeper in the premiership and has been consistant for the last 10 years.
Truth will out.
If you are referring to Ipswich Town can everyone take the lead of RTE and refer to them as RoyKeanesIpswichTown.
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2009, 07:23:37 PM
If you are referring to Ipswich Town can everyone take the lead of RTE and refer to them as RoyKeanesIpswichTown.
Aye, right up to the point were he leaves them in the shit because he has them ruined, it will be someone elses fault and he will walk away.
While Roy made a few good points he should have given the lads a bit of credit. Don't think it was fair to blame the keeper either, but Roy doesn't seem to like Given. Fair point about missing chances and the FAI but he could have been a bit more sympathetic towards the lads that played their hearts out.
Where are Roys champions these days, funny a lot of the usual suspects are conspicious by their absence, you know, the united loving bucks that swear the man can do no wrong! maybe they are beginning to see that he is exactly the arrogant pile of shite we always said he was.
How did that anti Irish football rant taste royfans?
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 20, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
While Roy made a few good points he should have given the lads a bit of credit. Don't think it was fair to blame the keeper either, but Roy doesn't seem to like Given. Fair point about missing chances and the FAI but he could have been a bit more sympathetic towards the lads that played their hearts out.
Wow a measured post on Roy.
His main point was letting the ball hop in the 6 yard box. Anyone disagree and think the defense were right to let it bounce from a free in the small rectangle?
Roy Keane is an Irish footballing legend, he brought Ireland to the world cup by playing against FRANCE and I'm sure every poster here loved him. He took a stand and left. Get over yourselves. He owes Ireland nothing.
Ireland lost out by not topping their group.
Though typical shite started by Liverpool supporters.
Brilliant interview from Keane. Sums up perfectly my feelings on the reactions of the Irish fans, some players and govt. officials.
And that's from someone who fairly despised the man.
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 20, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
While Roy made a few good points he should have given the lads a bit of credit. Don't think it was fair to blame the keeper either, but Roy doesn't seem to like Given. Fair point about missing chances and the FAI but he could have been a bit more sympathetic towards the lads that played their hearts out.
Wow a measured post on Roy.
His main point was letting the ball hop in the 6 yard box. Anyone disagree and think the defense were right to let it bounce from a free in the small rectangle?
Thing is they didn't intend to let it bounce. Dunne went up to head it away outside the 6 yard box and got in a tangle with the French player and didn't get up like he needed to. Ball sailed over his head and landed in the 6 yard box. McShane and Henry probably both thought Dunne was heading it clear but Henry reacted quicker but even then still had to handle the ball to stop it going wide. McShane as a defender should have been expecting the worst and that Dunne would miss the ball but he switched off thinking it was about to be headed 20 yards clear.
Keane dragging Given into the argument was a bit pathetic and another bit of score settling IMO. He had a cut at Given a few years ago as well for turning up for friendlies or something so there's a bit of history there. For all he knows Dunne might have called for it. Would he have wanted Given charging from his goal then?
The man has a list of grudges from his playing career as long as your arm that he insists on airing in public. He would be better off on the training ground with Ipswich and away from the mic stand.
Keane played his heart out for his Country but he has lost support from a vast amount of people with the way he has conducted himself when the saipan thing went down and since for his disparaging remarks about players and personnel in the Irish set up.
In twenty or thirty years time he will be remembered more for saipan by many people than his excellence and drive on the football field and that is a shame because he was an incredible player at times, easily one of Irelands best ever, he is making his bed and judging by the reactions on here he is going to have to lie in it with his legacy forever tarnished. Shame that.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 08:38:41 PM
Roy Keane is an Irish footballing legend, he brought Ireland to the world cup by playing against FRANCE and I'm sure every poster here loved him. He took a stand and left. Get over yourselves. He owes Ireland nothing.
Ireland lost out by not topping their group.
Though typical shite started by Liverpool supporters.
Were was Roy Keane the last time Ireland qualified for a world cup? He was sitting at home resting for a meaningless Utd league game 4 days later. Sums him up.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on November 20, 2009, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 08:38:41 PM
Roy Keane is an Irish footballing legend, he brought Ireland to the world cup by playing against FRANCE and I'm sure every poster here loved him. He took a stand and left. Get over yourselves. He owes Ireland nothing.
Ireland lost out by not topping their group.
Though typical shite started by Liverpool supporters.
In fairness he always did what uncle fergie told him to when dealing with matters Irish. ;)
Were was Roy Keane the last time Ireland qualified for a world cup? He was sitting at home resting for a meaningless Utd league game 4 days later. Sums him up.
If anyone other than Keane raised the exact same points as Keane would there be the same type of vitriol ? Many of the same points raised by various posters on here between the gnashing of teeth and hand wringing. I have just watched it and didnt disagree with any of it but because who is delivering the message the valid points are lost.
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
If anyone other than Keane raised the exact same points as Keane would there be the same type of vitriol ? Many of the same points raised by various posters on here between the gnashing of teeth and hand wringing. I have just watched it and didnt disagree with any of it but because who is delivering the message the valid points are lost.
Bingo.
Quote from: hardstation on November 20, 2009, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
If anyone other than Keane raised the exact same points as Keane would there be the same type of vitriol ? I have just watched it and didnt disagree with any of it but because who is delivering the message the valid points are lost.
x2.
Yip, a bitter has-been whose performance at Ipswich gives him little room to lecture anyone about soccer tactics.
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
Keane played his heart out for his Country but he has lost support from a vast amount of people with the way he has conducted himself when the saipan thing went down and since for his disparaging remarks about players and personnel in the Irish set up.
In twenty or thirty years time he will be remembered more for saipan by many people than his excellence and drive on the football field and that is a shame because he was an incredible player at times, easily one of Irelands best ever, he is making his bed and judging by the reactions on here he is going to have to lie in it with his legacy forever tarnished. Shame that.
Nonsense Stew. Anyone with a love for soccer will always appreciate the player he was. They said the same about Maradona. Now, talk about the best player ever, Maradona's name will always be mentioned. Talk about the best player Ireland had, Keane will, for the forseeable future, be mentioned.
He was 100% in this interview. The initial reaction for people in this part of the world (a leftover from a colonised land) is that British trait of wanting to find a scapegoat for hurt or failure. It's feckin sport. Don't play or watch the game if you think you cannot deal with misfortune.
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
If anyone other than Keane raised the exact same points as Keane would there be the same type of vitriol ? Many of the same points raised by various posters on here between the gnashing of teeth and hand wringing. I have just watched it and didnt disagree with any of it but because who is delivering the message the valid points are lost.
Would anyone else have blamed Shay Given?
Is there anyone else with a bigger chip on his shoulder?
He was right what he said about the Georgia game etc but could he just not have left it at that?
No not Our Roy he had to get his bitter little digs in ::)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on November 20, 2009, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 20, 2009, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
If anyone other than Keane raised the exact same points as Keane would there be the same type of vitriol ? I have just watched it and didnt disagree with any of it but because who is delivering the message the valid points are lost.
x2.
Yip, a bitter has-been whose performance at Ipswich gives him little room to lecture anyone about soccer tactics.
That's silly. He has every right to comment on it having been a world-class player in his day. He has every right to comment on it if he was a bum.
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2009, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
Keane played his heart out for his Country but he has lost support from a vast amount of people with the way he has conducted himself when the saipan thing went down and since for his disparaging remarks about players and personnel in the Irish set up.
In twenty or thirty years time he will be remembered more for saipan by many people than his excellence and drive on the football field and that is a shame because he was an incredible player at times, easily one of Irelands best ever, he is making his bed and judging by the reactions on here he is going to have to lie in it with his legacy forever tarnished. Shame that.
Nonsense Stew. Anyone with a love for soccer will always appreciate the player he was. They said the same about Maradona. Now, talk about the best player ever, Maradona's name will always be mentioned. Talk about the best player Ireland had, Keane will, for the forseeable future, be mentioned.
He was 100% in this interview. The initial reaction for people in this part of the world (a leftover from a colonised land) is that British trait of wanting to find a scapegoat for hurt or failure. It's feckin sport. Don't play or watch the game if you think you cannot deal with misfortune.
Jees! O'Neill are you playing the that card again tonight? ::)
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
If anyone other than Keane raised the exact same points as Keane would there be the same type of vitriol ? Many of the same points raised by various posters on here between the gnashing of teeth and hand wringing. I have just watched it and didnt disagree with any of it but because who is delivering the message the valid points are lost.
Lets see what Keane's points were that you agree with
"People seem to forget what was going on in that World Cup (in 2002), and that man (FAI chief executive John Delaney) is on about honesty. I was one of the players and he didn't have the courtesy to ring me".Saipan ;D
Wasn't Delaney the FAI treasurer then? why would Roy want a phone call from the treasurer?
"There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game. I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay."Worst decision? ;D
The ball hit the shoulder of a Georgian player in full view of the ref who gave a penalty. No Irish player cheated.
"I'd focus on why they didn't clear it (the free-kick). I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry. How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you? If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?"So is Roy the only bright spark to allude to McShane's culpability?
But I'd say he certainly is the only one to mention Given
"Ireland had their chances in the two games (against France), and they never took them," Keane added. "But it's the usual FAI reaction - 'We've been robbed', 'The honesty of the game...'Ireland had their chances and should have buried the tie in a magnificent performance in Paris which should have been the biggest shock result in international football for many a year.
We were robbed by an act of cheating.
The FAI got carried away on a fools errand ...... big fxcking deal.
Is all Roy's personal baggage. He needs to sort Ipswich out and stop making a tit of himself... again :P
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2009, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
Keane played his heart out for his Country but he has lost support from a vast amount of people with the way he has conducted himself when the saipan thing went down and since for his disparaging remarks about players and personnel in the Irish set up.
In twenty or thirty years time he will be remembered more for saipan by many people than his excellence and drive on the football field and that is a shame because he was an incredible player at times, easily one of Irelands best ever, he is making his bed and judging by the reactions on here he is going to have to lie in it with his legacy forever tarnished. Shame that.
Nonsense Stew. Anyone with a love for soccer will always appreciate the player he was. They said the same about Maradona. Now, talk about the best player ever, Maradona's name will always be mentioned. Talk about the best player Ireland had, Keane will, for the forseeable future, be mentioned.
He was 100% in this interview. The initial reaction for people in this part of the world (a leftover from a colonised land) is that British trait of wanting to find a scapegoat for hurt or failure. It's feckin sport. Don't play or watch the game if you think you cannot deal with misfortune.
If you mean 100% wrong then I agree with you. Maradonna loves his country, never walked out on his country and never divided his Country the way Keane did, people have picked sides on this one for the most part, read the pages on this thread for proof of that. I will always think of his actions in Saipan before I think of his great performances on the field because the stakes were as high as they had ever been and he let a lot of people who swore by him down, if not his Country depending on your point of view.
O'Neill it would appear that Roy holds Shay Given, another Irish legend as a scapegoat, the same goes for the entire defensive unit, who by the way held the french to a single flukey goal in 193 minutes of football, oh yeah, and the FAI were to blame as well, go talk to Roy about your theory on post colonial bollocks.
I dont need a scapegoat but it is interesting that you have yet to say a word about Henry's cheating (ex Arsenal player) and that you agree with Keane, you then by your own definition seem to agree that the keeper and defense are to blame, hence maiking them the scapegoats.
Finally I am an Armagh fan, I have dealt with more misfortune that you ever will.
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Does the opposite also apply?
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Does the opposite also apply?
Whats the opposite to a langer ?
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Does the opposite also apply?
Whats the opposite to a langer ?
A clanger? ;)
If Terry Henry logs on he will be glad of this thread.
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Does the opposite also apply?
Whats the opposite to a langer ?
I'll make it easy for you.
Would you agree with this statement?
I wouldn't consider a langer who hates Roy as having an opinion worth valueing (sic).
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
I dont need a scapegoat but it is interesting that you have yet to say a word about Henry's cheating (ex Arsenal player) and that you agree with Keane, you then by your own definition seem to agree that the keeper and defense are to blame, hence maiking them the scapegoats.
Well, it is a game of football afterall.
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2009, 10:04:44 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
I dont need a scapegoat but it is interesting that you have yet to say a word about Henry's cheating (ex Arsenal player) and that you agree with Keane, you then by your own definition seem to agree that the keeper and defense are to blame, hence maiking them the scapegoats.
Well, it is a game of football afterall.
Well thats the most generic ballix I have ever seen you write!
You said you agreed with Keane 100%, do you then blame Given and the back four for the loss to France?
Given, the defence, the midfield and the forwards. The ref and the linesman. Henry.
But that's football. That's sport. Bring in video footage if you will but right now we don't have it. Complaining of cheats and replays is embarrassing. We're open to the referee's discretion.
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Given, the defence, the midfield and the forwards. The ref and the linesman. Henry.
But that's football. That's sport. Bring in video footage if you will but right now we don't have it. Complaining of cheats and replays is embarrassing. We're open to the referee's discretion.
Complaining that John Delaney didn't ring you 8 years ago when asked about a game last Wednesday is embarrassing I reckon
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Does the opposite also apply?
Whats the opposite to a langer ?
I'll make it easy for you.
Would you agree with this statement?
I wouldn't consider a langer who hates Roy as having an opinion worth valueing (sic).
Well Muppet, that does not make it easy, that twists 'not idolising' into hate. In the context of my throw away comment about Langers
"I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valuing" (spelling corrected for your sensitivities) :)
'not idolise' would be the opposite of idolise. You can decide to 'not idolise' a person and maintain a rational distance from hate.
Your question does not apply to my throwaway comment.
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 10:21:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry.
Bitter rant?
Jesus, 7 years on and he still devdes people :-\
I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valueing.
That leaves the divide at about 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI.
Does the opposite also apply?
Whats the opposite to a langer ?
I'll make it easy for you.
Would you agree with this statement?
I wouldn't consider a langer who hates Roy as having an opinion worth valueing (sic).
Well Muppet, that does not make it easy, that twists 'not idolising' into hate. In the context of my throw away comment about Langers
"I wouldn't consider a langer who idolises Roy as having an opinion worth valuing" (spelling corrected for your sensitivities) :)
'not idolise' would be the opposite of idolise. You can decide to 'not idolise' a person and maintain a rational distance from hate.
Your question does not apply to my throwaway comment.
There are two ends of the spectrum with regard to Roy Keane. You announced that those at one end, i.e. those who idolize him as you put it, have opinions that are worthless. I want to know what about those at the other end of the spectrum, i.e. those who hate him?
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Given, the defence, the midfield and the forwards. The ref and the linesman. Henry.
But that's football. That's sport. Bring in video footage if you will but right now we don't have it. Complaining of cheats and replays is embarrassing. We're open to the referee's discretion.
So he does not blame Henry at all for what happened, yet you do. Is it fair to say then that you in actual fact, do not agree with Roy 100%?
Roy talks out of both sides of his mouth, on the one hand he states that the players 'deserve' better and on the other he singles out players like Given and Dunne and the rest of the defense and blames them whilst Henry gets a free pass. Maybe the last bit is the part of his argument you like. ;)
Video replays are not in play at this stage, the game is lost and the French move on. end of.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Aye Ireland has had exactly one world class player and that was Roy, FFS wise up man dear.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Yip, I would say that the FAI are shitting themselves for Trappatoni to either A. Die or B. retire so that they can hire that world class manager Roy Keane, he is more likely to manage norn Ireland that the ROI.
idolize? lets get real. we go and watch players and are taken aback by their skill and dedacation. i haven't heard anyone saying they idolize Keane.
lets start a thread about platini. he said there should not be a replay and is glad France is through. or what about one on the Ireland Coach not getting Ireland to South Africa. oh what about robbie keane/Duff missing thon chances?
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
There are two ends of the spectrum with regard to Roy Keane. You announced that those at one end, i.e. those who idolize him as you put it, have opinions that are worthless. I want to know what about those at the other end of the spectrum, i.e. those who hate him?
Why would you want to know such worthless things?
You do understand what a throwaway comment is?
Anyway, I cant help you with your perceptions of spectrums.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Is this the same Roy Keane who is destroying every club he touches as a manager?
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Yip, I would say that the FAI are shitting themselves for Trappatoni to either A. Die or B. retire so that they can hire that world class manager Roy Keane, he is more likely to manage norn Ireland that the ROI.
Of last four managers hired by the FAI only Traps CV puts Keane's to shame. McCathy's is arguably better but only just, while Kerr and Staunton had done nothing in senior management. Staunton was the assistant coach at Walsall ffs.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
There are two ends of the spectrum with regard to Roy Keane. You announced that those at one end, i.e. those who idolize him as you put it, have opinions that are worthless. I want to know what about those at the other end of the spectrum, i.e. those who hate him?
Why would you want to know such worthless things?
You do understand what a throwaway comment is?
Anyway, I cant help you with your perceptions of spectrums.
Why bother to make a comment if we are to just throw it away? Are we to treat all your posts the same?
As someone said above, who said it is clouding the matter.
If ANY ex Irish International, came out and criticised the team like Keane did ... after having been through bitter dissappointment himself ... knowing how heartbroken the players and fans were ... seeing the huge effort that was put into the game ...
If ANY Irish man came out and did that, I would think (and do think in this case) that it was bang out of order and that the person should be ashamed of themselves.
Think about this: what did Keane hope to achieve by saying that? As far as I can see his only motivation was to get a few digs in a people. To kick a few people when they're down. He's an intelligent man and knew what he was at.
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Yip, I would say that the FAI are shitting themselves for Trappatoni to either A. Die or B. retire so that they can hire that world class manager Roy Keane, he is more likely to manage norn Ireland that the ROI.
your kidding yourselves if you dont think Roy Keane will not manage Ireland. get real.
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
The current Ipswich Town manger is going to take Ireland through to the finals of a major competition?! jesus H christ
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:37:06 PM
idolize? lets get real. we go and watch players and are taken aback by their skill and dedacation. i haven't heard anyone saying they idolize Keane.
lets start a thread about platini. he said there should not be a replay and is glad France is through. or what about one on the Ireland Coach not getting Ireland to South Africa. oh what about robbie keane/Duff missing thon chances?
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Eh Milltown row, I know you are probably blinded by the light shining from Roy's arse but this "daft poster" wrote that
"leaves 95 out of 100 who think Roy is just using the opportunity to vent his old bitter grudge against the FAI"This daft poster did not write anything about "95 percent of Roy Keane haters"
Keane always likes to cut across the prevailing mood on things, so it's no surprise really that he's coming out with this. There's a lot of bitterness and anger in too many of Roy's musings, it's no wonder he can't seem to get players playing for him as a manager himself. There's just no happiness in Roy's footballing world.
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Funniest post of the year.
Liam Brady had more skill in his big toe than Keane had overall not to mention Ronnie Whelan,Paul Mcgrath,John Giles,Kevin Moran and many more
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
when Roy Keane takes the Ireland team (and he will) he will only have 5 percent of the public (according to some daft poster on here)
i cant wait to read your posts and the other 95 percent of Roy Keane haters when he takes the team to the finals of one of the main competitions.
Ireland have never produced a player like Roy Keane and to date they still havent got one coming through. be thankfull Ireland had a world class player.
Yip, I would say that the FAI are shitting themselves for Trappatoni to either A. Die or B. retire so that they can hire that world class manager Roy Keane, he is more likely to manage norn Ireland that the ROI.
your kidding yourselves if you dont think Roy Keane will not manage Ireland. get real.
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
I think Keane has more chance sitting with Dunphy on the RTE panel or winning the lotto than being the republics manager.
Why would the FAI hire the cnut when all he does is mete out abuse to them?
Roy fcuks up everything he touches these days, he is about as out of his depth at managing as Stan is and that takes some doing.
I doubt that Roy will manage again after he walks out on Ipswich.
Milltown, are you a man utd fan and or Celtic fan?
Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
Now if you are talking better players for Ireland in terms of being a good team mate etc, then just about anybody that played for them, no one else wrecked a f**king world cup finals by acting the gypsy.
Sorry - I am not going to read the past posts but I have just watched the bbc interview with the 'one'. That man is so far up his own a**e that he needs a boot in the baltics. For a start; Henri, says KEANE, was wrong, the Irish fans were robbed, the Irish team was ROBBED ... but HEY! slap it up the FAI for gurning! Burying the hatchet .. not!
What an arrogant a&&hole! Did you see his reaction to the journo whose phone went off? Ignorant C&&t! He is at the end of the day a CORK TUG! who has the intelligence of a dogshite! Who the feck is he to Pontificate about the performance of the Irish team given the position Ipswich are in (at least the Irish team TURNED UP and HAD A GO! .. UNLIKE SOME) .. and dare I mention Sunderland? He thinks he is Ferguson lambasting the meejah .. but ROY .. you are an arrogant Pr££k! Discuss.
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
People should be banned for idiotic posts like such!
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Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
You are a conflicted child arent ya son, go take a tablet and lie down, I am embarassed for ya. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 10:57:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
You are a conflicted child arent ya son, go take a tablet and lie down, I am embarassed for ya. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Cannot disagree with any of what Milltown wrote.
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Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
You know years ago shoite like that would probably see you discovered in a ditch with an 'artificially induced brain disorder'. But you may get a bye-ball as the brain damage seems to have be self-inflict
ed.
Stew get a fooking grip will ya. WORLD CLASS
Ireland has only had one player, Best was better again those other numpties wish they had the class.
keane will manage Ireland. christ they let some crackers do it in the past why not give it to him.
no tablets yet, too busy watching Pudsey
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Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2009, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 10:57:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
with any of what Milltown wrote.
:D :D :D :D :D
You probably are milltown shane, either that or you are taking the michael.
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on November 20, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 20, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Long live Roy Keane, King of Ireland and future Manager.
tell it like it is. Ireland are shite.
Paul McGrath, brilliant player (Keane far Better) . Wealan shite, Giles shite, Moran better gaelic player.
anyway i only watch hurlng, soccer is for poofs
You know years ago shoite like that would probably see you discovered in a ditch with an 'artificially induced brain disorder'. But you may get a bye-ball as the brain damage seems to have be self-inflict
ed.
eh? my brain ;D ;D
and O'Neill and I aren't the same.........or are we ::)
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Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Great post muppet.
Keane was like an bitter farmer in a pub giving out about the weather, the price of cattle, the moral decay of society, turning on people he thought was laughing at him. He was a great player but he'll never even be an average manager until he learns to lighten up a bit.
Keane played midfield on an Irish team with much more talent and they never won a game abroad against a top team. Some journeymen midfielders torn apart the World Cup runners up in their back yard the other night, and won 1-0 in normal time. First time that happened since we beat Scotland back in the late 80s.
but couldn't beat teams like Cyprus and Bulgaria over the years since Keane was involved.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on November 21, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
Keane played midfield on an Irish team with much more talent and they never won a game abroad against a top team. Some journeymen midfielders torn apart the World Cup runners up in their back yard the other night, and won 1-0 in normal time. First time that happened since we beat Scotland back in the late 80s.
Catch a grip of yourself. This was a poor French outfit. They struggled to beat the Faroe Islands 1-0 3 months ago.
Quote from: ONeill on November 21, 2009, 12:49:16 AM
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on November 21, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
Keane played midfield on an Irish team with much more talent and they never won a game abroad against a top team. Some journeymen midfielders torn apart the World Cup runners up in their back yard the other night, and won 1-0 in normal time. First time that happened since we beat Scotland back in the late 80s.
Catch a grip of yourself. This was a poor French outfit. They struggled to beat the Faroe Islands 1-0 3 months ago.
Reality it was the first big name team Ireland beat abroad since Scotland over 20 years ago. Keane led Irish teams with better players against poor big name outfits too and they didn't win. Indeed the Portugal team that Ireland so bravely drew with 1-1 in Lansdowne (Keane's performance hailed as one of the greatest of all time, with the Irish crossbar also bravely saving us 3 or 4 times) got hammered 3-1 by the US in the subsequent World Cup.
Quote from: muppet on November 20, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2009, 11:01:27 PM
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Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Lazy comment. Paul McGrath 83 caps... Roy Keane 67 McGrath was world class
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
He was,he was also correct in saying we should get over it and move on...
The rest was just a bitter rant from a man with a huge chip on his shoulder and a even bigger grudge against the FAI and some of the players
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 21, 2009, 01:54:08 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
He was,he was also correct in saying we should get over it and move on...
The rest was just a bitter rant from a man with a huge chip on his shoulder and a even bigger grudge against the FAI and some of the players
No argument there!
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Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Lazy comment. Paul McGrath 83 caps... Roy Keane 67 McGrath was world class
Even lazier reply. Two magnificent careers summed up in 2 numbers?
Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
Absolutly correct?
He wasn't.
who cares what the bitter soon to be a league 1 manager thinks. . fail to prepare, prepare to fail ha ha
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Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
Absolutly correct?
He wasn't.
Actually, I think he was, but there you go.
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Quote from: Main Street on November 21, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
Absolutly correct?
He wasn't.
Actually, I think he was, but there you go.
Absolutely correct? No room for doubt that he was 100% correct?
I agree with Keane when he say the game should not be replayed.
Keane is reported as saying that
he doesn't believe the game should be replayed, pointing out that Ireland did not call for a replay after a controversial penalty saw them beat Georgia in the group stages.
I agree with Keane when he say the game should not be replayed.
There is no comparison between the Henry deliberate handball/cheating, to the penalty awarded by the ref in the game against Georgia.
The ref was in an excellent position, no Irish player cheated, the ball was deemed to be shielded away deliberatly by the Georgian defender from going in the direction of Keane? (who was anyway offside.)
It was a very soft penalty.
Those decisions balance out over a campaign, we should have had a stonewall penalty in Montenegro etc etc.
It is farcical for Keane to even mention the georgian penalty in the same breath as the play off game
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Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
He was absolutely correct about the Georgia game though!
Absolutly correct?
He wasn't.
Actually, I think he was, but there you go.
Absolutely correct? No room for doubt that he was 100% correct?
I agree with Keane when he say the game should not be replayed.
Keane is reported as saying that
he doesn't believe the game should be replayed, pointing out that Ireland did not call for a replay after a controversial penalty saw them beat Georgia in the group stages.
I agree with Keane when he say the game should not be replayed.
There is no comparison between the Henry deliberate handball/cheating, to the penalty awarded by the ref in the game against Georgia.
The ref was in an excellent position, no Irish player cheated, the ball was deemed to be shielded away deliberatly by the Georgian defender from going in the direction of Keane? (who was anyway offside.)
It was a very soft penalty.
Those decisions balance out over a campaign, we should have had a stonewall penalty in Montenegro etc etc.
It is farcical for Keane to even mention the georgian penalty in the same breath as the play off game
How is it farcical? The point of the Georgia penalty is that there was no national hysteria when we got a wrongly awarded penalty, which turned out to be vital in getting that second spot (yes, I know we finished four ahead of Bulgaria in the end, but I'm sure I don't have to spell out for you the effects that the two lost points - or three as we might well have lost the game without the penalty - might have had on the race for second spot). As Keane says, there was no clamouring to get the game replayed. There were no government ministers getting themselves involved. Its hypocrisy, plain and simple. We're happy enough when these decisions go for us, as are supporters of all teams. The difference is that there is not normally an outbreak of nationwide hysteria when they go against other teams - they simply accept it as part of the game (as you say, it goes both ways over time) and move on with at least a little dignity (the English being an exception, of course).
And if its all about the act of cheating (i.e. had France won by an offside goal none of this would have happened ::)), then where the f**k are we when our own do it? I've seen Damien Duff go down nice and easy to win frees (and maybe even a penalty, if memory serves) for Ireland. Robbie Keane handled a couple of times the other night (if the only difference is that the ref saw it, then why aren't Keane's career achievements being consigned to the dustbin in favour of this new truth, a la Henry?). How often do you see cheating on the GAA pitch?
Nitpick the differences all you want. Roy Keane is correct in my opinion.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 21, 2009, 05:01:59 PM
Thats rather rich coming from the likes of you...but then you do think quite highly of yourself so maybe thats why you are such a fan of Keane,he also has a tendency to see no wrong in himself.
But if that is indeed true about me and as someone as great as you has now said it I suspect it probably is true then I suppose I should be a expert and more than qualified to see the bitterness in Mr.Keane.. :D
I haven't started a single thread on Keane. I don't start threads pointing out how bitter he is. I honestly don't care about Roy Keane and certainly don't need to attack cyberworld every time he opens his mouth I also don't need to pray for, and cheer, any bad results he might have in his career.
You of course are the voice of reason with regard to Keane.
I like Roy Keane.
I think they are a good thing to beat Sheffield Wed now at evens.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 21, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
I like Roy Keane.
Make a run for it before LL comes back.
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Didn't say I agreed with him, I just like the man.
Minder I took your advice
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 21, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
I like Roy Keane.
Make a run for it before LL comes back.
(http://www.theblogofrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/usain-bolts-training-secret.bmp)
That's unfair,I have lost some weight in the last few weeks...
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 21, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
I like Roy Keane.
Make a run for it before LL comes back.
(http://www.theblogofrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/usain-bolts-training-secret.bmp)
That's unfair,I have lost some weight in the last few weeks...
That is because of all the people you have been chasing.
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Quote from: Denn Forever on November 20, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Lazy comment. Paul McGrath 83 caps... Roy Keane 67 McGrath was world class
Even lazier reply. Two magnificent careers summed up in 2 numbers?
McGrath was the best of the lot and with all the games you claim he missed still played more times for Ireland than Keane and contributed more. McGrath held that defence so well even made Babb and Phelan look good :o
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Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Lazy comment. Paul McGrath 83 caps... Roy Keane 67 McGrath was world class
Even lazier reply. Two magnificent careers summed up in 2 numbers?
McGrath was the best of the lot and with all the games you claim he missed still played more times for Ireland than Keane and contributed more. McGrath held that defence so well even made Babb and Phelan look good :o
No question of McGrath's ability, especially given his problems and remember many of his caps were in midfield. But you can't measure a player purely on caps alone, otherwise Kevin Kilbane is our best ever player.
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Stew name me the other world class players from Ireand that would get on 'your' best world 11 better than Keane?
Oh Ah Paul McGrath.
Liam Brady.
John Giles.
Thats about it, the man was an unreal footballer.
All great players, but he has more medals than the three put together and no that doesn't make him better on it's own (**waits for the John O'Shea argument**) but the fact that he was the captain and frequently dragged his team to many of those titles does. None of the others did that and I say that as a huge Liam Brady fan.
Medals have feck all to do with it, (well they do a wee bit) but I simply put forth names I would put ahead of keanes on the teamsheet, I thought about Moran and decided he was about Keanes equal so not better, Whelen, although a great player and servant for ireland was not the player Roy was but he was close. In my opinion. Keane to me is one of the top 100 players ever to play the game, he was that influencial.
Of those mentioned only Whelan understood, and had the ability to control, the tempo of a game as well as Keane. But he was not quite the athlete Keane was which is why I would put Keane ahead of Ronnie.
Giles was a similar type of player in a different era which makes it hard for me to compare. When Giles deliberately took out a player due to a remark in an earlier game the tackle was celebrated (in Mark Lawrenson's book). When Keane did it there was outrage.
Brady was a one off,more talented than any of the rest and capable of winning a ame on his own. But he could be marked out of a game and frequently was unfortunately.
McGrath could have been the best of the lot but for his personal demons. It is (quite rightly) ignored that he missed many games for his club and country due to none footballing issues.
Lazy comment. Paul McGrath 83 caps... Roy Keane 67 McGrath was world class
Even lazier reply. Two magnificent careers summed up in 2 numbers?
McGrath was the best of the lot and with all the games you claim he missed still played more times for Ireland than Keane and contributed more. McGrath held that defence so well even made Babb and Phelan look good :o
No question of McGrath's ability, especially given his problems and remember many of his caps were in midfield. But you can't measure a player purely on caps alone, otherwise Kevin Kilbane is our best ever player.
I aren't maesuring him on caps alone. It was you said..'he missed many games for his club and country.' That is misleading. How many did he miss? Fact is he played more than Keane who missed a few in 2002 ;)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on November 21, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
I aren't maesuring him on caps alone. It was you said..'he missed many games for his club and country.' That is misleading. How many did he miss? Fact is he played more than Keane who missed a few in 2002 ;)
I mentioned it because Keane is villified for missing games, remember Cathal Dervan organising the booing of Keane versus Iceland (?). McGrath has his demons and was minded by the Charlton set up brilliantly (McCarthy blundered badly in this regard). We didn't know why McGrath missed games until he wrote his book and I have nothing but respect for him after reading it.
But we and the media didn't know the reasons yet it was still one rule for him and another for Keane. That was the point I was trying to make.
One of the stories involved him sneaking off for an pint in Dublin before an international and waking up in Israel!
Ipswich 0 Sheff Wed 0 the legend coach is four points from safety... he certainly won't be relegated as he will jump ship again... whose a 'sh*t manager' now?
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Ipswich 0 Sheff Wed 0 the legend coach is four points from safety... he certainly won't be relegated as he will jump ship again... whose a 'sh*t manager' now?
you have a serious hard on for Keane
very disturbing
Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 03:38:28 PMHow is it farcical? The point of the Georgia penalty is that there was no national hysteria when we got a wrongly awarded penalty, which turned out to be vital in getting that second spot
You do not know the game very well do you?
If you cannot see the difference between a legit awarded soft penalty where no Irish player cheated and the Henry handling to get that goal then I doubt if anyone can explain it to you. Most every knowledgeable football person can appreciate the difference.
QuoteAs Keane says, there was no clamouring to get the game replayed. There were no government ministers getting themselves involved. Its hypocrisy, plain and simple. We're happy enough when these decisions go for us, as are supporters of all teams. The difference is that there is not normally an outbreak of nationwide hysteria when they go against other teams - they simply accept it as part of the game (as you say, it goes both ways over time) and move on with at least a little dignity (the English being an exception, of course).
What's the points of repeating stuff about the replaying of the game. I haven't argued that toss.
Shock ....horror...Roy Keane talks sense..he might be a shite manager(which is irrelevant in this debate)...but its hard to disagree with what he says...
There probably is merit in what he said about Saint Shay, it has been said before a weakness in Givens game is not commanding his area. I know he is beyond criticism but look at Lloris performance for France ( and I am not referring to his save from Duffs pathetic shot). Every cross came in he cleaned it out.
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Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 03:38:28 PMHow is it farcical? The point of the Georgia penalty is that there was no national hysteria when we got a wrongly awarded penalty, which turned out to be vital in getting that second spot
You do not know the game very well do you?
If you cannot see the difference between a legit awarded soft penalty where no Irish player cheated and the Henry handling to get that goal then I doubt if anyone can explain it to you. Most every knowledgeable football person can appreciate the difference.
QuoteAs Keane says, there was no clamouring to get the game replayed. There were no government ministers getting themselves involved. Its hypocrisy, plain and simple. We're happy enough when these decisions go for us, as are supporters of all teams. The difference is that there is not normally an outbreak of nationwide hysteria when they go against other teams - they simply accept it as part of the game (as you say, it goes both ways over time) and move on with at least a little dignity (the English being an exception, of course).
What's the points of repeating stuff about the replaying of the game. I haven't argued that toss.
For a legit penalty any contact with the ball would have to be deliberate. It doesn't matter if the ball hits his hand, falls at his feet and he scores. It is no foul unless it is deliberate.
Henry's second contact was definately deliberate, the Georgian lads contact was no foul.
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Henry's second contact was definately (sic) deliberate, the Georgian lads contact was no foul.
Hand ball is defined as deliberate contact with the ball from the fingers to the top of the arm.
The top of the arm as you know meets the shoulder.
The Georgian was deemed to deliberately move his body to direct the ball away.
The Georgian did not use his chest nor did he move his body away away from contact with the ball. He deliberately used the top part of his arm where it connects with his shoulder.
The penalty was soft because the contact was minimal between the ball and the arm and was so unnecessary.
Robbie Keane got penalised for deliberate use of the same shoulder /upper arm body part to control the ball against France on Wednesday.
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Henry's second contact was definately (sic) deliberate, the Georgian lads contact was no foul.
Hand ball is defined as deliberate contact with the ball from the fingers to the top of the arm.
The top of the arm as you know meets the shoulder.
The Georgian was deemed to deliberately move his body to direct the ball away.
The Georgian did not use his chest nor did he move his body away away from contact with the ball. He deliberately used the top part of his arm where it connects with his shoulder.
The penalty was soft because the contact was minimal between the ball and the arm and was so unnecessary.
Robbie Keane got penalised for deliberate use of the same shoulder /upper arm body part to control the ball against France on Wednesday.
You're having a laugh. So he deliberately didn't get out of the way of the ball, that is hardly an offense. Then he deliberately let the ball brush off the top of his shoulder which achieved nothing while making no obvious movement towards the ball. All of this while the flag was up for offside on Keane.
Peno me arse.
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Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2009, 03:38:28 PMHow is it farcical? The point of the Georgia penalty is that there was no national hysteria when we got a wrongly awarded penalty, which turned out to be vital in getting that second spot
You do not know the game very well do you?
If you cannot see the difference between a legit awarded soft penalty where no Irish player cheated and the Henry handling to get that goal then I doubt if anyone can explain it to you. Most every knowledgeable football person can appreciate the difference.
I could have sworn that I already addressed the fact that I thought the claim that this was all about "the act of cheating" was still hypocritical bollocks. Otherwise, for example, Damien Duff would have been afraid to show his face around Dublin after diving to win a penalty against Spain in 2002 (or does Harte's subsequent miss excuse Duff?). But ok, despite your always humourless condescension, I'll have to concede your nitpick - if the issue causing the international incident is
solely the fact that Henry handled the ball and was not penalized, it is not exactly equivalent to the Georgian being penalized when he almost certainly didn't handle the ball.
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2009, 12:19:30 AM
There probably is merit in what he said about Saint Shay, it has been said before a weakness in Givens game is not commanding his area. I know he is beyond criticism but look at Lloris performance for France ( and I am not referring to his save from Duffs pathetic shot). Every cross came in he cleaned it out.
yeah but was roy in a position to say it?
Quote from: J70 on November 22, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
I could have sworn that I already addressed the fact that I thought the claim that this was all about "the act of cheating" was still hypocritical bollocks. Otherwise, for example, Damien Duff would have been afraid to show his face around Dublin after diving to win a penalty against Spain in 2002 (or does Harte's subsequent miss excuse Duff?). But ok, despite your always humourless condescension, I'll have to concede your nitpick - if the issue causing the international incident is solely the fact that Henry handled the ball and was not penalized, it is not exactly equivalent to the Georgian being penalized when he almost certainly didn't handle the ball.
You claimed Roy was absolutely correct to point out the hypocrisy as demonstrated by the the penalty incident in the Georgian game. My contention is that Roy is talking bollocks along with much of the negative cynical comments he made about the Irish performance and players like Given who stood up to him all those years ago.
The Georgian in full frontal view of the ref was deemed to handle the ball, the ball certainly moved in direction, no Irish player cheated.
Wasn't it Doyle who had a stonewall penalty claim already turned down in that game and a legit goal by Andrews was wrongfully disallowed. That is the game as we know it, some things go against us in a game and some things for.
There is no relevance between the Georgian game and the play off game.
I would be surprised that Roy watched enough of the Georgian game to have an opinion as he was probably too busy flicking through the channels.
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Ipswich 0 Sheff Wed 0 the legend coach is four points from safety... he certainly won't be relegated as he will jump ship again... whose a 'sh*t manager' now?
you have a serious hard on for Keane
very disturbing
He has the total opposite effect on me... a complete turn-off :-\
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Quote from: J70 on November 22, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
I could have sworn that I already addressed the fact that I thought the claim that this was all about "the act of cheating" was still hypocritical bollocks. Otherwise, for example, Damien Duff would have been afraid to show his face around Dublin after diving to win a penalty against Spain in 2002 (or does Harte's subsequent miss excuse Duff?). But ok, despite your always humourless condescension, I'll have to concede your nitpick - if the issue causing the international incident is solely the fact that Henry handled the ball and was not penalized, it is not exactly equivalent to the Georgian being penalized when he almost certainly didn't handle the ball.
You claimed Roy was absolutely correct to point out the hypocrisy as demonstrated by the the penalty incident in the Georgian game. My contention is that Roy is talking bollocks along with much of the negative cynical comments he made about the Irish performance and players like Given who stood up to him all those years ago.
The Georgian in full frontal view of the ref was deemed to handle the ball, the ball certainly moved in direction, no Irish player cheated.
Wasn't it Doyle who had a stonewall penalty claim already turned down in that game and a legit goal by Andrews was wrongfully disallowed. That is the game as we know it, some things go against us in a game and some things for.
There is no relevance between the Georgian game and the play off game.
I would be surprised that Roy watched enough of the Georgian game to have an opinion as he was probably too busy flicking through the channels.
Fair enough Main Street. I could parse this endlessly, but I have more important things to do. Your point stands.
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Quote from: J70 on November 22, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
I could have sworn that I already addressed the fact that I thought the claim that this was all about "the act of cheating" was still hypocritical bollocks. Otherwise, for example, Damien Duff would have been afraid to show his face around Dublin after diving to win a penalty against Spain in 2002 (or does Harte's subsequent miss excuse Duff?). But ok, despite your always humourless condescension, I'll have to concede your nitpick - if the issue causing the international incident is solely the fact that Henry handled the ball and was not penalized, it is not exactly equivalent to the Georgian being penalized when he almost certainly didn't handle the ball.
You claimed Roy was absolutely correct to point out the hypocrisy as demonstrated by the the penalty incident in the Georgian game. My contention is that Roy is talking bollocks along with much of the negative cynical comments he made about the Irish performance and players like Given who stood up to him all those years ago.
The Georgian in full frontal view of the ref was deemed to handle the ball, the ball certainly moved in direction, no Irish player cheated.
Wasn't it Doyle who had a stonewall penalty claim already turned down in that game and a legit goal by Andrews was wrongfully disallowed. That is the game as we know it, some things go against us in a game and some things for.
There is no relevance between the Georgian game and the play off game.
I would be surprised that Roy watched enough of the Georgian game to have an opinion as he was probably too busy flicking through the channels.
Fair enough Main Street. I could parse this endlessly, but I have more important things to do. Your point stands.
Parse- I never heard that word before-very good.
Parse-transitive verb
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Roy Keane is a w**ker
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Quote from: J70 on November 22, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
I could have sworn that I already addressed the fact that I thought the claim that this was all about "the act of cheating" was still hypocritical bollocks. Otherwise, for example, Damien Duff would have been afraid to show his face around Dublin after diving to win a penalty against Spain in 2002 (or does Harte's subsequent miss excuse Duff?). But ok, despite your always humourless condescension, I'll have to concede your nitpick - if the issue causing the international incident is solely the fact that Henry handled the ball and was not penalized, it is not exactly equivalent to the Georgian being penalized when he almost certainly didn't handle the ball.
You claimed Roy was absolutely correct to point out the hypocrisy as demonstrated by the the penalty incident in the Georgian game. My contention is that Roy is talking bollocks along with much of the negative cynical comments he made about the Irish performance and players like Given who stood up to him all those years ago.
The Georgian in full frontal view of the ref was deemed to handle the ball, the ball certainly moved in direction, no Irish player cheated.
Wasn't it Doyle who had a stonewall penalty claim already turned down in that game and a legit goal by Andrews was wrongfully disallowed. That is the game as we know it, some things go against us in a game and some things for.
There is no relevance between the Georgian game and the play off game.
I would be surprised that Roy watched enough of the Georgian game to have an opinion as he was probably too busy flicking through the channels.
Fair enough Main Street. I could parse this endlessly, but I have more important things to do. Your point stands.
Parse- I never heard that word before-very good.
Parse-transitive verb
1 a : to resolve (as a sentence) into component parts of speech and describe them grammatically b : to describe grammatically by stating the part of speech and explaining the inflection and syntactical relationships
2 : to examine in a minute way : analyze critically <having trouble parsing...explanations for dwindling market shares fore
Glad you like it! :)
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Roy Keane is a w**ker
Fair play, an honest opinion.
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 22, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
Shock ....horror...Roy Keane talks sense..he might be a shite manager(which is irrelevant in this debate)...but its hard to disagree with what he says...
Some muppets on here seem to believe that he will go on to kiss and make up with the FAI and take the job after Trappatoni leaves, imagine that useless ballix being given the Irish job, they could forget about qualifying for anything if that happened, he makes Stan look competent and that takes some doing.
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Quote from: 5 Sams on November 22, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
Shock ....horror...Roy Keane talks sense..he might be a shite manager(which is irrelevant in this debate)...but its hard to disagree with what he says...
Some muppets on here seem to believe that he will go on to kiss and make up with the FAI and take the job after Trappatoni leaves, imagine that useless t**ser being given the Irish job, they could forget about qualifying for anything if that happened, he makes Stan look competent and that takes some doing.
Nothing and I mean nothing could ever make stan look competent. :P
As was said in paper yesterday, three days later Keane tells FAI to move on re-Henry goal and then goes over Saipan 2002. Yip, move on Roy...
Don't let the bastards grind you down Roy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_div_1/8376961.stm
Keep her lit Roy. All moving in right direction.
Don't let teh bastards get you down!! ;)
10 matches unbeaten. Only 5 goals conceded in this period, just needs a striker or two and they should continue to climb up the table. It would seem that Keane's poor record in the transfer market is hampering him again, with the striker he signed for big money misfiring completely.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6954691.ece
At least he has got them out of the relegation zone before he walks away in the next ten days. Definitely gone by Christmas the geniuses said, didn't they?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6954691.ece
Is Roy still moaning on about pizzas, sandwiches, Holland game, Saipan and the FAI?
;D
When will the little lad grow up like everybody else involved has?
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Quote from: Minder on December 13, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6954691.ece
Is Roy still moaning on about pizzas, sandwiches, Holland game, Saipan and the FAI?
;D
When will the little lad grow up like everybody else involved has?
Anyone who wants to understand Saipan needs to understand the pizza reference.
That article shows while that he has some sympathy for McCarthy, now that he is a manager, it just means more of the blame goes on the FAI who have become a laughing stock.
Interesting comment about the old Delaney. People who like Keane will point to it as evidence of nepotism and further incompetence in the FAI while anti-Keane people might suggest it shows a Stephen Ireland type character who fell out with people all the way up through the under-age ranks.
There is probably a bit of both involved.
I think Roy has moved on and seems totally at ease that he did the right thing back then, but journalists will always ask him about it, and he is never afraid to answer any question honestly. Fair play to him.
In a time where the phrase "sports personality" is becoming an oxymoron and soccer is full of increasingly rich and boring people, Keane, even if you don't like him, is never dull. When was the last time you heard anything of interest from Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham or Giggs even, to use some high profile examples? Apart from spouting a few cliches, some of these guys are doing well to string a sentence together. And even if they had something of interest to say they would be too afraid of the media to come out and say it. Roy says what he likes.
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Quote from: Minder on December 13, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6954691.ece
Is Roy still moaning on about pizzas, sandwiches, Holland game, Saipan and the FAI?
;D
When will the little lad grow up like everybody else involved has?
Anyone who wants to understand Saipan needs to understand the pizza reference.
The time in Holland when Roy arrived very late for the team meal, where the proper eve of match food had already been served and duly gobbled by the squad?
Maybe Roy will need to be confronted with the experience of when his top player wants special treatment, arrives late for games, dashes off early, arrives late for team meals and complains about only sandwiches being available and still has the audacity to use it as evidence of managerial/club incompetence.
QuoteThat article shows while that he has some sympathy for McCarthy, now that he is a manager, it just means more of the blame goes on the FAI who have become a laughing stock.
The grudge remains the same, he just shifts the blame.
QuoteInteresting comment about the old Delaney. People who like Keane will point to it as evidence of nepotism and further incompetence in the FAI while anti-Keane people might suggest it shows a Stephen Ireland type character who fell out with people all the way up through the under-age ranks.
There is probably a bit of both involved.
Trap has been more than satisfied with the active assistance offered by the FAI to facilitate his coaching team.
The FAI have moved on, they make different mistakes, they are not perfect.
Roy however is still stuck with his old grudges, still believes the FAI are exactly the same as when he was a kid, still believes in FAI conspiracy theories against players from Cork. If he were a recovering addict he would be gravitating between blame and denial.
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Quote from: Minder on December 13, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6954691.ece
Is Roy still moaning on about pizzas, sandwiches, Holland game, Saipan and the FAI?
;D
When will the little lad grow up like everybody else involved has?
Anyone who wants to understand Saipan needs to understand the pizza reference.
The time in Holland when Roy arrived very late for the team meal, where the proper eve of match food had already been served and duly gobbled by the squad?
Maybe Roy will need to be confronted with the experience of when his top player wants special treatment, arrives late for games, dashes off early, arrives late for team meals and complains about only sandwiches being available and still has the audacity to use it as evidence of managerial/club incompetence.
Now you are just making shite up to yield a reaction. ::)
That is the best compliment I pay such nonsense.
he was asked this morning about what he thought about last nights match between Portsmouth and Arsenal containing no english players in the starting 22. He said it might worry Fabio Capello but he certainly hasnt lost any sleep over it. The media must dread interviewing him these days.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 31, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
he was asked this morning about what he thought about last nights match between Portsmouth and Arsenal containing no english players in the starting 22. He said it might worry Fabio Capello but he certainly hasnt lost any sleep over it. The media must dread interviewing him these days.
I have come to a delayed conclusion that Roy Keane is a tosser but I have to say I burst out laughing when I heard that piece of interview.
It's a fair answer - why would you care if you weren't english??
fair answer surely, it's just that he is the only manager who isnt afraid to tell the truth
No manager has a remit to help "the English game". If they are good enough they will get a game, allied to the price of an average English player compared to Johhny Foreigner it makes a managers choice easy. Keane (and Benitez love him or hate him) don't play the journalists game and treat them with a fair amount of contempt. Which is nice.
Quote from: Minder on December 31, 2009, 09:28:56 PM
No manager has a remit to help "the English game". If they are good enough they will get a game, allied to the price of an average English player compared to Johhny Foreigner it makes a managers choice easy. Keane (and Benitez love him or hate him) don't play the journalists game and treat them with a fair amount of contempt. Which is nice.
alla Owen and Fergie
Quote from: Square Ball on December 31, 2009, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 31, 2009, 09:28:56 PM
No manager has a remit to help "the English game". If they are good enough they will get a game, allied to the price of an average English player compared to Johhny Foreigner it makes a managers choice easy. Keane (and Benitez love him or hate him) don't play the journalists game and treat them with a fair amount of contempt. Which is nice.
alla Owen and Fergie
I can imagine the circus if the boy wonder had went to Liverpool and played as often as he has at Utd, "Rafa you do realise there is a World Cup In the summer and Mickey O won't get fit for it sitting beside you"
Good win yesterday in the cup....
Stat of the week
Sunderland are only one point better off than Roy Keane's Sunderland at the same juncture last season.
Surprises the knowledgable ones here aren't looking for Bruce to resign considering the dollars he has spent....
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 03, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
Good win yesterday in the cup....
Lucky enough, the seasiders had 2 men dismissed, 1 of which was a very harsh decision.
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
do you support ipswich?
Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
Keane will soon be emulating that managerial juggernaut Jim Magilton by steering them to just outside the playoffs.
What has he turned around? ... you'll find he has drawn most of those games
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
do you support ipswich?
No. Why do you ask?
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 16, 2010, 06:28:56 PM
What has he turned around? ... you'll find he has drawn most of those games
Still a lot of draws alright - 6 wins, 8 draws, 1 defeat. Obviously room for improvement but infinitely better than their first dozen or so games.
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Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
do you support ipswich?
No. Why do you ask?
Well you seem to be happy from your post that they are doing well, hence i thought you were a fan.
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Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
do you support ipswich?
No. Why do you ask?
Well you seem to be happy from your post that they are doing well, hence i thought you were a fan.
A Roy Keane fan then...
Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 16, 2010, 06:28:56 PM
What has he turned around? ... you'll find he has drawn most of those games
Still a lot of draws alright - 6 wins, 8 draws, 1 defeat. Obviously room for improvement but infinitely better than their first dozen or so games.
Fair play to keane and his team, they are doing very well over the past few months and he has to get credit for that and should do.
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Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 16, 2010, 06:28:56 PM
What has he turned around? ... you'll find he has drawn most of those games
Still a lot of draws alright - 6 wins, 8 draws, 1 defeat. Obviously room for improvement but infinitely better than their first dozen or so games.
Fair play to keane and his team, they are doing very well over the past few months and he has to get credit for that and should do.
Who are you and why did you steal stew's password??? ;)
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Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
do you support ipswich?
No. Why do you ask?
Well you seem to be happy from your post that they are doing well, hence i thought you were a fan.
A Roy Keane fan then...
As an Irish soccer fan, I've a healthy interest in the club. They are one of a small handful of clubs in the English league with an Irish manager, and they have more than their fair share of Irish players.
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Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 16, 2010, 06:28:56 PM
What has he turned around? ... you'll find he has drawn most of those games
Still a lot of draws alright - 6 wins, 8 draws, 1 defeat. Obviously room for improvement but infinitely better than their first dozen or so games.
Fair play to keane and his team, they are doing very well over the past few months and he has to get credit for that and should do.
Who are you and why did you steal stew's password??? ;)
hey bc, the results dont lie, i mightnt like the balliz but he is getting the job done over the past two months or so, I might have a strong opinion on the man but that does not overshadow the fact that he has got his team headed in the right direction again. Fair play to him.
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
Indeed, Roy deserves special mention not walking out after 6 months.
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
You mean when he was SENT HOME I assume.
Good on Stew for his comments. Fair play.
Ah FFS Seanie!!
Interesting article about the young goalkeeper who left earier this year.
Apparrently he hope to make the Dublin squad and a better life in Ireland. Hes going to join the Guards.
Fair play to him.
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
You mean when he was SENT HOME I assume.
Good on Stew for his comments. Fair play.
No I definatly meant WALKED OUT on his country
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
You mean when he was SENT HOME I assume.
Good on Stew for his comments. Fair play.
No I definatly meant WALKED OUT on his country
Don't let the facts get in the way of your rabid hatred.
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
You mean when he was SENT HOME I assume.
Good on Stew for his comments. Fair play.
No I definatly meant WALKED OUT on his country
Don't let the facts get in the way of your rabid hatred.
Rabid Hatred?? A bit of a O.T.T comment there,You no nothing about me it was just my opinion on the matter
Do you attack everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion?
The facts are that Keane was sent home. The debate has always been about his behaviour prior to being sent home
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Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
do you support ipswich?
No. Why do you ask?
Well you seem to be happy from your post that they are doing well, hence i thought you were a fan.
A Roy Keane fan then...
As an Irish soccer fan, I've a healthy interest in the club. They are one of a small handful of clubs in the English league with an Irish manager, and they have more than their fair share of Irish players.
Young David Cawley from Ballina making a name for himself in the reserves this year when he's still a youth team player.
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Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Another solid win for Ipswich today, edging towards the top half and with an outside chance of nipping into the playoffs if they can keep up this form til the end of the season. Only one defeat in their last 15 matches now, good job they got rid of that Keane eejit when they did. Also really great to see that Sunderland have really turned a corner since his departure from there too.
Fair play to Keane for turning it around and not walking out on Ipswich, imagine what might been achieved if he hadn't walked out on his country
You mean when he was SENT HOME I assume.
Good on Stew for his comments. Fair play.
No I definatly meant WALKED OUT on his country
Don't let the facts get in the way of your rabid hatred.
Rabid Hatred?? A bit of a O.T.T comment there,You no nothing about me it was just my opinion on the matter
Do you attack everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion?
Dakota you were the one who started this.
Keane was sent home according to Roy Keane's book, Mick McCarthy's book & Niall Quinn's book. Unless you of course know better than those 3..
Christ almighty ye are one hostile bunch! I have a opinion and I stand by it, people around here need to relax a bit. As far as I'm concered he walked out on his country as he had plenty chances to come back before the tournament started but he choose not to and that is my opinion on it so as Roy would say himself...... Get over it! And really there is no need for the name calling and sly remarks lads
Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 03:24:52 PM
Christ almighty ye are one hostile bunch! I have a opinion and I stand by it, people around here need to relax a bit. As far as I'm concered he walked out on his country as he had plenty chances to come back before the tournament started but he choose not to and that is my opinion on it so as Roy would say himself...... Get over it! And really there is no need for the name calling and sly remarks lads
There is no need to try to re-write history. Do you accept that he was sent home?
Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 03:24:52 PM
Christ almighty ye are one hostile bunch! I have a opinion and I stand by it, people around here need to relax a bit. As far as I'm concered he walked out on his country as he had plenty chances to come back before the tournament started but he choose not to and that is my opinion on it so as Roy would say himself...... Get over it! And really there is no need for the name calling and sly remarks lads
Dakota, thou shall not take the name of St. Roy of Cork in vain.
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Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 03:24:52 PM
Christ almighty ye are one hostile bunch! I have a opinion and I stand by it, people around here need to relax a bit. As far as I'm concered he walked out on his country as he had plenty chances to come back before the tournament started but he choose not to and that is my opinion on it so as Roy would say himself...... Get over it! And really there is no need for the name calling and sly remarks lads
There is no need to try to re-write history. Do you accept that he was sent home?
You can't help yourself can you! It must be a real sore point with yourself and other fellas around here..
To humor you and answer your question though if you want to be pedantic yes he was initally asked to leave but he was asked back and refused so in my opinion he left his country in the lurch as he was too stubborn or bitter or probably both to admit he was wrong, though I did read somewhere that he did admit lately that he was wrong which was nice to see.
I always found those that back him to the hilt are more blinded by there love of him by those who thought he was wrong
Btw the rabid hatred remark really doesn't sit well with me as nothing could be further from the truth and it screams of a guy who has a lot of issues to make a remark like that about someone he doesn't know and is making it on the back of a simple opinion on a subject that doesn't really matter all that much to me, a more sane person would actually see I was actually praising Keane for the job he is doing at Ipswich and the fact he was such a good player he would have made a huge difference in Japan if he had if been there, maybe Im living away from Ireland so long I didn't realize people were still upset over this
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Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 03:24:52 PM
Christ almighty ye are one hostile bunch! I have a opinion and I stand by it, people around here need to relax a bit. As far as I'm concered he walked out on his country as he had plenty chances to come back before the tournament started but he choose not to and that is my opinion on it so as Roy would say himself...... Get over it! And really there is no need for the name calling and sly remarks lads
There is no need to try to re-write history. Do you accept that he was sent home?
You can't help yourself can you! It must be a real sore point with yourself and other fellas around here..
To humor you and answer your question though if you want to be pedantic yes he was initally asked to leave but he was asked back and refused so in my opinion he left his country in the lurch as he was too stubborn or bitter or probably both to admit he was wrong, though I did read somewhere that he did admit lately that he was wrong which was nice to see.
I always found those that back him to the hilt are more blinded by there love of him by those who thought he was wrong
Btw the rabid hatred remark really doesn't sit well with me as nothing could be further from the truth and it screams of a guy who has a lot of issues to make a remark like that about someone he doesn't know and is making it on the back of a simple opinion on a subject that doesn't really matter all that much to me, a more sane person would actually see I was actually praising Keane for the job he is doing at Ipswich and the fact he was such a good player he would have made a huge difference in Japan if he had if been there, maybe Im living away from Ireland so long I didn't realize people were still upset over this
I'll take that as a yes, thank you. He was sent home, that's all I said.
If that's what you got from my post and it makes you happy then I'm glad for you even if you got it wrong
Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
If that's what you got from my post and it makes you happy then I'm glad for you even if you got it wrong
Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy & Niall Quinn agree with me. You?
Quote from: muppet on January 19, 2010, 04:18:59 PM
Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
If that's what you got from my post and it makes you happy then I'm glad for you even if you got it wrong
Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy & Niall Quinn agree with me. You?
Oh lord you have more issues than that other poster.
No my little buddy I don't agree with you,for the simple reason to say "he was sent home" is not the end of the story as you well know,and you are making it sound like that was the end of the episode,it sounds so final,which it wasn't..
He could have come back,he had the chances,he ended up putting his bitterness ahead of playing for his country,so IN MY OPINION he left his country when they needed him most,and I BELIEVE he walked out on them.
Now my good man I can't make it any clearer for you,I don't agree with your opinion and I'm sorry if that bothers you but I'm not going to change my opinion because some anonymous person on a internet forum of all places who has a hard on for Roy Keane tells me otherwise
Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 19, 2010, 04:18:59 PM
Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
If that's what you got from my post and it makes you happy then I'm glad for you even if you got it wrong
Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy & Niall Quinn agree with me. You?
Oh lord you have more issues than that other poster.
No my little buddy I don't agree with you,for the simple reason to say "he was sent home" is not the end of the story as you well know,and you are making it sound like that was the end of the episode,it sounds so final,which it wasn't..
He could have come back,he had the chances,he ended up putting his bitterness ahead of playing for his country,so IN MY OPINION he left his country when they needed him most,and I BELIEVE he walked out on them.
Now my good man I can't make it any clearer for you,I don't agree with your opinion and I'm sorry if that bothers you but I'm not going to change my opinion because some anonymous person on a internet forum of all places who has a hard on for Roy Keane tells me otherwise
You're opinion is now turning into some sort of perversion. I think I'll ignore you telling me what I know and I'll stick with Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's opinion.
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Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
If that's what you got from my post and it makes you happy then I'm glad for you even if you got it wrong
Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy & Niall Quinn agree with me. You?
Oh lord you have more issues than that other poster.
No my little buddy I don't agree with you,for the simple reason to say "he was sent home" is not the end of the story as you well know,and you are making it sound like that was the end of the episode,it sounds so final,which it wasn't..
He could have come back,he had the chances,he ended up putting his bitterness ahead of playing for his country,so IN MY OPINION he left his country when they needed him most,and I BELIEVE he walked out on them.
Now my good man I can't make it any clearer for you,I don't agree with your opinion and I'm sorry if that bothers you but I'm not going to change my opinion because some anonymous person on a internet forum of all places who has a hard on for Roy Keane tells me otherwise
You're opinion is now turning into some sort of perversion. I think I'll ignore you telling me what I know and I'll stick with Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's opinion.
So he wasn't asked back then?
If I were to read the bible it would tell me there was a God...it doesn't mean its true though
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Quote from: Dakota on January 19, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
If that's what you got from my post and it makes you happy then I'm glad for you even if you got it wrong
Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy & Niall Quinn agree with me. You?
Oh lord you have more issues than that other poster.
No my little buddy I don't agree with you,for the simple reason to say "he was sent home" is not the end of the story as you well know,and you are making it sound like that was the end of the episode,it sounds so final,which it wasn't..
He could have come back,he had the chances,he ended up putting his bitterness ahead of playing for his country,so IN MY OPINION he left his country when they needed him most,and I BELIEVE he walked out on them.
Now my good man I can't make it any clearer for you,I don't agree with your opinion and I'm sorry if that bothers you but I'm not going to change my opinion because some anonymous person on a internet forum of all places who has a hard on for Roy Keane tells me otherwise
You're opinion is now turning into some sort of perversion. I think I'll ignore you telling me what I know and I'll stick with Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's opinion.
So he wasn't asked back then?
I'll think stick with Keane, McCarthy & Quinn's version rather than someone who tells me what I'm thinking, even on a dreaded internet forum.
Avoid the question...fair enough if thats what you want to do
Just to help out - Keane walked out first, would have been home if flight out was available, colin healy was called in. During the night/early next day, McCarthy and keane talked and he agreed to stay. He give that interview, McCarthy called a team meeting to have it out with Keane and all hell kicked off. McCarthy put him out of squad and Keane went home and wasn't for coming back.
Yes, Keane did walk out on his country. He came back though.
Yes, McCarthy threw him out.
You's are both right.
Quote from: bingobus on January 19, 2010, 05:22:42 PM
Just to help out - Keane walked out first, would have been home if flight out was available, colin healy was called in. During the night/early next day, McCarthy and keane talked and he agreed to stay. He give that interview, McCarthy called a team meeting to have it out with Keane and all hell kicked off. McCarthy put him out of squad and Keane went home and wasn't for coming back.
Yes, Keane did walk out on his country. He came back though.
Yes, McCarthy threw him out.
You's are both right.
I'd be happy to accept that
Only took 8 years to get that cleared up so!! :D
Quote from: ballinaman on January 19, 2010, 05:27:50 PM
Only took 8 years to get that cleared up so!! :D
Sorry I was busy in the middle East ;D
Hey - what about that Thierry Henry.
Quote from: Hardy on January 19, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
Hey - what about that Thierry Henry.
Transfer news?
Quote from: Hardy on January 19, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
Hey - what about that Thierry Henry.
He agreed with Keane about Mick but wasn't in the squad and just happened to be holidaying in Saipan at the time, so Mick just told him to "f**k off, you french twat", Henry was insulted at such a slur and swore revenge on Ireland that very day. And the rest os history.
David back to his proper level?
Sunderland's David Healy and Daryl Murphy join Ipswich
Healy has struggled for first-team action at Sunderland
Ipswich Town have signed out-of-favour Northern Ireland striker David Healy from Premier League Sunderland on loan until the end of the season.
Healy, 30, will be linking up again with Roy Keane, who signed the striker for Sunderland in August 2008.
The Tractor Boys have also signed Black Cats forward Daryl Murphy on loan for the rest of the season.
The 26-year-old, who had a trial at Portman Road in 2005, also played under Keane at Sunderland.
Murphy, who has nine Republic of Ireland caps, played 27 times for Sunderland last year but has slipped down the pecking order at the Stadium of Light.
He has made seven appearances in league and cup for the Black Cats this season, including two recent starts in Premier League games at Blackburn Rovers and Chelsea.
606: DEBATE
What do you think of the new signings at Ipswich?
Healy was not a regular starter during Keane's reign and remained out of favour after Ricky Sbragia and current boss Steve Bruce took charge.
Earlier this month the Northern Ireland international spoke of his desire to move from Sunderland.
Healy told BBC Sport that he knew his future was "not going to be at Sunderland".
He added: "I'm more than willing to go back to the Championship and get back to enjoying my football again."
"It's been a disappointing time and people have said that it's time to move on but when you have a contract and a family where you live, sometimes it's difficult."
Healy was left out of the Northern Ireland side that played a friendly against Serbia in November.
It was the first time Healy had been dropped for a home game at Windsor Park since his international career started in February 2000.
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Only took 8 years to get that cleared up so!! :D
Sorry I was busy in the middle East ;D
Aha! Bingo Bush.
ha ha roy rot walked out, well first he called his manager a cnut, then he walked out. anyway delighted he lost last w/e, big one too as everyone else around him won. i was afraid he was heading for mid table there for a while but now hes back in a relegation scrap where he belongs. great the way he managed to slam his own team in the post match interview, never see alex do that. fail to prepare....
never see alex do that. fail to prepare....
Alex does not do post match interviews.
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 01, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
never see alex do that. fail to prepare....
Alex does not do post match interviews.
He was on Sky yesterday with a big smile on his face
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Quote from: Denn Forever on February 01, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
never see alex do that. fail to prepare....
Alex does not do post match interviews.
He was on Sky yesterday with a big smile on his face
That was him mooning the BBC.
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 01, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
never see alex do that. fail to prepare....
Alex does not do post match interviews.
Alex Ferguson always does post match interviews, except with the BBC because he's still thick at them over the furore over his son, the agent.
He must not like the BBC and Sky helps pays his wages.
Its as AZOffaly says.
David Healy and Daryl Murphy?
Roy does not often stray outside the radar of players he already knows.
How many ex Sunderland reserves and Cork born does that make now in the Ipswich squad?
I won't give up on Roy, maybe one day he will discover the ability to recognise a talented footballer, be a good judge of character and make a decent signing with at least a 1 in 10 success rate with the signings.
To be fair Daryl Murphy is a decent player and Healy's record at championship level is quite good too. Its probably their level and they'll improve Ipswich's current squad. They have struggled to get goals and these two should help in that area.
Roy Keane backbiting again but this time the target was Ipswich legend Paul Mariner
after being beaten at home v Plymouth managed by Mariner
Mariner returned to a club where he became an England striker to spring a shock 2-0 win on Tuesday night.
He was given a heroes welcome back, but did not accept Keane's invitation for a post-match drink.
"I had no problem with Paul coming back here," said Keane who went on: "But then after the game he didn't have the decency to come up for a drink with us, to see my staff, to see the opposition manager."
The angry ex-Sunderland boss continued: "He was too busy seeing his mates. But you remember these things in football. And it's not bad blood either. I couldn't have spoken higher about Paul before the game.
"But I would have thought he would have had the decency to come in for a drink with us."
Mariner, being a gentleman, apologises.
If I've offended anyone I apologise. I have the utmost respect for Roy and there is absolutely no way I would intentionally snub him.
"It was my first time back at Ipswich as a manager and I was kept busy in the media suite.
"Then every few yards I kept bumping into people I hadn't seen in 20 years, including Mr Sheepshanks.
"To cap it all I lost my reading glasses and I was in a bit of a panic about that before they were found and returned to me. Four members of my staff spent about 25 minutes having a drink with Roy's staff.
"It was unfortunate that I didn't see Roy afterwards but I look forward to having a drink with him next time."
Quote from: Main Street on March 29, 2010, 12:35:16 PM
Roy Keane backbiting again but this time the target was Ipswich legend Paul Mariner
after being beaten at home v Plymouth managed by Mariner
Mariner returned to a club where he became an England striker to spring a shock 2-0 win on Tuesday night.
He was given a heroes welcome back, but did not accept Keane's invitation for a post-match drink.
"I had no problem with Paul coming back here," said Keane who went on: "But then after the game he didn't have the decency to come up for a drink with us, to see my staff, to see the opposition manager."
The angry ex-Sunderland boss continued: "He was too busy seeing his mates. But you remember these things in football. And it's not bad blood either. I couldn't have spoken higher about Paul before the game.
"But I would have thought he would have had the decency to come in for a drink with us."
Mariner, being a gentleman, apologises.
If I've offended anyone I apologise. I have the utmost respect for Roy and there is absolutely no way I would intentionally snub him.
"It was my first time back at Ipswich as a manager and I was kept busy in the media suite.
"Then every few yards I kept bumping into people I hadn't seen in 20 years, including Mr Sheepshanks.
"To cap it all I lost my reading glasses and I was in a bit of a panic about that before they were found and returned to me. Four members of my staff spent about 25 minutes having a drink with Roy's staff.
"It was unfortunate that I didn't see Roy afterwards but I look forward to having a drink with him next time."
Roy must be tired carrying that bag of chips on his shoulder.
Didn't Clough hold a grudge against Don Revie for the same thing?
Roy picks up chips for fun.
Clough having a grudge against Revie for a perceived slight? at least Clough used it for a positive outcome for Derby.
Backbiting against Paul Mariner was a spectacular own goal.
He should have rang him if he was annoyed...
I suppose Roy had kept him a few prawn sandwiches ;D
Drinks?
I thought Roy was on the wagon.
Quote from: Main Street on March 29, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
Drinks?
I thought Roy was on the wagon.
Keane having a go at Mariner is ridiculous, instead of him running off to the media why didnt he pick up the phone and ask Mariner what happened, if he knowas Mariner at all he would know that he is anothing but a class act, always has been, so what could he have thought Mariner's intentions were.
I think Keane was way out of order here, once again the classless eejit inserts his foot in his pown mouth, unfortunately he also embarassed an Ipswich Legend like Paul Mariner along the way.
Memo to Roy, they way Mariner conducted himself in this situation is what you should strive for, get your paranoid, negative head out of the press long enough to act like a man and take the time to find out what happened before running off to the press like a spolit bitch.
Jaysus. If every ex-player who turned up at Anfield went to see the current players after the game then the team wouldn't be able to get into the dressing room. A strange outburst
Quote from: deiseach on March 29, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
Jaysus. If every ex-player who turned up at Anfield went to see the current players after the game then the team wouldn't be able to get into the dressing room. A strange outburst
Tis but there is a stark contrast in the way both guys handled it, Keane needs to seriously take a leaf out of Mariners book and if he is going to worry and get paranoid about every perceived slight he will end up either in a funny farm or buried six feet under after a heart attack or stroke.
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
Tis but there is a stark contrast in the way both guys handled it, Keane needs to seriously take a leaf out of Mariners book and if he is going to worry and get paranoid about every perceived slight he will end up either in a funny farm or buried six feet under after a heart attack or stroke.
Mariner looks like he was very dignified, fair play to him
Quote from: deiseach on March 29, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
Tis but there is a stark contrast in the way both guys handled it, Keane needs to seriously take a leaf out of Mariners book and if he is going to worry and get paranoid about every perceived slight he will end up either in a funny farm or buried six feet under after a heart attack or stroke.
Mariner looks like he was very dignified, fair play to him
Fair play to Roybhoys supporters on here, as of yet they havent come on to blame Mariner for this terible slight or otherwise deflect the blame for this injustice away from the great Roy Keane, maybe, finally something has happened that even they cant support him on. :P
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: deiseach on March 29, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
Tis but there is a stark contrast in the way both guys handled it, Keane needs to seriously take a leaf out of Mariners book and if he is going to worry and get paranoid about every perceived slight he will end up either in a funny farm or buried six feet under after a heart attack or stroke.
Mariner looks like he was very dignified, fair play to him
Fair play to Roybhoys supporters on here, as of yet they havent come on to blame Mariner for this terible slight or otherwise deflect the blame for this injustice away from the great Roy Keane, maybe, finally something has happened that even they cant support him on. :P
And fair play to your for not gloating.
As for Roy, a bit of a stupid thing to say to the media. But no doubt it confirms that he is in fact the AntiChrist.
Ahhhhhhhhhh......will I.....won't I .............
Nah I think i'll leave it this time
You've changed :)
Quote from: muppet on March 29, 2010, 07:57:59 PM
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: deiseach on March 29, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
Tis but there is a stark contrast in the way both guys handled it, Keane needs to seriously take a leaf out of Mariners book and if he is going to worry and get paranoid about every perceived slight he will end up either in a funny farm or buried six feet under after a heart attack or stroke.
Mariner looks like he was very dignified, fair play to him
Fair play to Roybhoys supporters on here, as of yet they havent come on to blame Mariner for this terible slight or otherwise deflect the blame for this injustice away from the great Roy Keane, maybe, finally something has happened that even they cant support him on. :P
And fair play to your for not gloating.
As for Roy, a bit of a stupid thing to say to the media. But no doubt it confirms that he is in fact the AntiChrist.
I am not gloating, i tend to not gloat.
You dont do sarcasm well muppet.
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 08:42:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 29, 2010, 07:57:59 PM
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: deiseach on March 29, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: stew on March 29, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
Tis but there is a stark contrast in the way both guys handled it, Keane needs to seriously take a leaf out of Mariners book and if he is going to worry and get paranoid about every perceived slight he will end up either in a funny farm or buried six feet under after a heart attack or stroke.
Mariner looks like he was very dignified, fair play to him
Fair play to Roybhoys supporters on here, as of yet they havent come on to blame Mariner for this terible slight or otherwise deflect the blame for this injustice away from the great Roy Keane, maybe, finally something has happened that even they cant support him on. :P
And fair play to your for not gloating.
As for Roy, a bit of a stupid thing to say to the media. But no doubt it confirms that he is in fact the AntiChrist.
I am not gloating, i tend to not gloat.
You dont do sarcasm well muppet.
You should read your own attempt.
This thread may soon be academic. Roy has got the dreaded vote of confidence from the Chairman and Alan Curbishly has been to Ipswich games lately.
A couple of days after the game against Plymouth,
Roy made this bizarre statement to the local press.
Speaking to the local press Keane said: "Maybe we're all too nice? Some of the image of the club has to be changed a little bit. I think we're set in our ways.
"Tradition is fantatsic, and I think I've played my part in that over the last few months. But that needs to be looked at, this nicey, nicey image," added Keane.
"Maybe we need to start upsetting a few people. Maybe we have become too nice. Having said that, our home record has been decent, and it's not like teams are coming here and rolling us over."
Quote from: Main Street on March 30, 2010, 12:35:44 AM
A couple of days after the game against Plymouth,
Roy made this bizarre statement to the local press.
Speaking to the local press Keane said: "Maybe we're all too nice? Some of the image of the club has to be changed a little bit. I think we're set in our ways.
"Tradition is fantatsic, and I think I've played my part in that over the last few months. But that needs to be looked at, this nicey, nicey image," added Keane.
"Maybe we need to start upsetting a few people. Maybe we have become too nice. Having said that, our home record has been decent, and it's not like teams are coming here and rolling us over."
Head case.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on March 30, 2010, 09:03:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 30, 2010, 12:35:44 AM
A couple of days after the game against Plymouth,
Roy made this bizarre statement to the local press.
Speaking to the local press Keane said: "Maybe we're all too nice? Some of the image of the club has to be changed a little bit. I think we're set in our ways.
"Tradition is fantatsic, and I think I've played my part in that over the last few months. But that needs to be looked at, this nicey, nicey image," added Keane.
"Maybe we need to start upsetting a few people. Maybe we have become too nice. Having said that, our home record has been decent, and it's not like teams are coming here and rolling us over."
Head case.
Probably too early to catch on, but what's unusual about that statement?
This particular story started in reply 449.
Is he definitely on about the club rather than his team? Saying his team need to get a bit nastier wouldn't be that strange. A bit hard to tell without knowing what he was asked about in the first place. Slagging the club off would be stupid, if that's what he was at.
With all that confusion running rampant in your head, it's no wonder you don't get the black irony.
Having a slow day but I'm fairly sure I've twigged it - Plymouth not nice; we shouldn't be nice. Just making sure. Roy wouldn't be the Roy we know and love if he didn't contradict himself every 5 minutes.
I see that the Ipswich board have backed him - that's him fecked then!
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on March 30, 2010, 10:11:24 PM
I see that the Ipswich board have backed him - that's him fecked then!
Well spotted Hurler.
Keane has "resigned" (by invitation I suggest) this morning. Jim Magilton hotly tipped to return to the club as manager, according to Tractorboys website.
And now he takes over at Celtic?
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 01, 2010, 11:59:29 AM
And now he takes over at Celtic?
And will be chief executive of the FAI in his spare time.
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on March 30, 2010, 10:11:24 PM
I see that the Ipswich board have backed him - that's him fecked then!
Well spotted Hurler.
Keane has "resigned" (by invitation I suggest) this morning. Jim Magilton hotly tipped to return to the club as manager, according to Tractorboys website.
;D
Well done Leo, 10/10.
Go on Notts Forest :)
Interesting insight from Roybhoy here.
Roy Keane thinks alcohol is "an issue" with Irish players.
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Roy Keane and Paul McGrath in action for Ireland at the World Cup in 1994
Keane, a former Ireland international, admits he had some wild times as a youth but he believes there is an underlying problem with footballers, particularly young Irishmen.
The Ipswich manager is friends with former Ireland international Paul McGrath, who has had well documented problems with alcohol, and he told the Irish Times: "I was talking to Paul a couple of months ago.
"Everybody loves Paul, but he knows the score. He knows where to go and get help. He says it himself. He has to help himself. It has to be down to Paul. I can't do it for him. How many people in Ireland have tried to help Paul? He knows by now where to get help.
"When I was having my own escapades I hope I was being young and raw and stupid. I went too far sometimes, but my social life in that way had a short life-span. Burned out. The penny dropped a few years ago for a number of reasons. Thank God.
"I care about Paul. I care about the man. When the playing stops the buzz goes, but for some lads that need is there even when playing. I can just say to Paul that he can stop if he goes to the right people. When you stop playing there is a bit of boredom. People throw drink at you, not helping. Paul knows where to go. He has to want it.
"Living in Ireland, the drink is going to be there all the time. When I come back I get a bit of a buzz for two or three days. I think it's embedded in us. This thing, 'let's get out, there's something on here and there'. Drink. It's in the air.''
Keane also warned that the problem extends beyond his former national team colleague. "Especially when you stop playing and you are getting up for the day and there is no buzz, you need it,'' he said.
"It's a problem. It's there, especially in the Irish players, I notice. In my short time in management I notice that just about every incident we have had to deal with that is drink-related, it is Irish lads. It's an issue with Irish players. Always.''
An interview with Keane in todays independent
I, Keano: Football, lies, loose talk and drink
By David Kelly
Saturday May 01 2010
In his most revealing interview in years, Roy Keane tells David Kelly that he is learning more about himself than at any time in his life. He explains how he is too hard on himself, how perfection can never be achieved and how so many people he has trusted over the years have let him down. But does he still get angry? "Bet your life I do?" he says. Especially at lies and loose talk about his drinking past.
DAVID KELLY: Remember the last pre-World Cup meeting we had? 2002? Outside your room in Saipan after everyone else had gone? You with no shirt on and Dylan's 'Positively 4th Street' blasting in the background?
ROY KEANE: You were trying to get into my room, was that what it was?
DK: Still as big a Dylan fan as ever?
RK: Yeah, of course. He's the man, no doubts. I go to see him live as much as possible, yeah. He's still going strong too.
DK: That really left a lasting impression, in terms of all the madness of the time, you seemed so chilled. Not necessarily switched off, but switched into something else. There's this crazy tumult convulsing the whole world, it seemed, and the guy in the middle is the calmest of the lot! How come?
RK: I think for years and years, or whatever, my frustration, whatever stuff had gone on then, I'd come to a conclusion. I mean, I wasn't listening to Bob Dylan at 3.0am, I was thinking about what was happening. But then the next morning, when I knew the team was gone, I said it is over now. I said to myself : 'Hey, I may as well chill out and play a bit of music.' Do you know what I mean?
I wasn't chilled out throughout all of it. But there comes a point where you say: 'Ah listen'. And if there was ever a morning to listen to Bob, it was that morning. I remember that now, yeah, now that you're asking me.
I do remember incidents like that, there are times in your life and career you recall as an important time. That was one. The team had gone by then. I thought there's no going back now. I might as well get my bag organised, pay my hotel bill and hopefully the flight will be okay. It wasn't like a doom and gloom moment. More, 'this is it'.
DK: Is that an easy thing for you to do generally, whatever it is, say, if you have a puncture?
RK: I think sometimes when it comes to the end of something, whether it be situations with Ireland, with Sunderland, United, Celtic, there can be times of indecision. But once you've come to that decision it's a case of, like Saipan, that morning, 'well it's done now'. There's no point worrying about it or thinking what if? It was done.
It happens in family life too. When you come to a conclusion, you might as well relax with it. Whether it's right or wrong, I don't know. The hard part is making the decision.
People look back over my career where I've had incidents or major stuff and they've gone: 'Oh, he's relaxed'. But I'm not and I've been hurt by certain stuff. But there comes a certain point where you go, it's over now, move on.
But a lot of stuff happens in between. But then you come to a point ... When I left United, people thought he's dead blasé about it, he's a tough man. But people get upset around me, I get upset with certain stuff.
But there comes a point ... get on with it. Whether that means listening to music, doing the school runs, taking holidays, whatever. You have to move on.
DK: Don't forget the dogs!
RK: Of course. People have this image. The usual clip comes up of me walking the dogs, as if I don't do anything else. It's the only one they show, perhaps it's the only clip they've got. Some people think it's the only thing I ever do. It's not. I've family stuff to do, friends to meet. There's plenty of stuff to do. And anyway now my dogs can't walk too much, especially the oldest one. I don't do it all the time.
DK: The last 10 years have been fairly interesting. Do you wonder what the next 10 years might hold or do you try not to look that far ahead?
RK: I try not to. I certainly don't want to be a manager that's changing clubs every two or three years. I know managers have less of a choice. It's different when you're a player, you get a four or five-year contract and if you're doing well, you stay there.
I don't want to be uprooting my family. But I do, in the back of my mind, know my choices are going to be less in terms of being able to make a choice like that. My family have moved down there (to Ipswich), we're happy there, but that can change this evening.
That's the down side of management. But then I suppose none of us know what's around the corner. I don't mind that, I don't mind that. You have to be brave as well.
The average employment is 13 months in the Championship. There's so much uncertainty being a manager, you can't look too far ahead, but I'm pretty relaxed with that.
DK: But you still want to be managing in 10 years, still in football?
RK: I do enjoy the management side of it. I've still got lots to learn. I've learned more this year than at any time in my entire life. Obviously, management is a hundred times harder than being a player, because then I only had to look after myself.
DK: Have you tried to do anything different this time around, with Ipswich?
RK: There's been different stuff thrown at us. If anybody had predicted the bad start, the amount of draws. There's stuff in the background which we've done, we do feel we've made progress there, myself and the staff. But you're judged on the results, I know that. They haven't been good enough.
But, hopefully, I've learned from the mistakes at Sunderland and the mistakes I've made here. Hopefully, I won't make the same next year. But I look at top managers and see them making mistakes.
I think what I've always been is very critical of myself, particularly towards the end of my time at Sunderland.
Sometimes I have to go easier on myself a little bit and that's something I hope will come from experience.
DK: About that overly self-critical side of your character, do you think that continuing quest for perfection is ever going to be realistic?
RK: It's not, you're right. There's a danger in that. Being a manager there's a lot more disappointments than ups, only a few of them can win trophies, usually the bigger teams. Even in our league, West Brom and Newcastle were always going up.
I've got to learn that it's more about progress rather than perfection. And that's something that's held me back a little bit, but also it makes me the person that I am. This is the way I was made and there are pluses and minuses to that, like with everybody. But as a manager, I have to go easier on myself.
DK: So, not change your core values entirely, maybe moderate them?
RK: Yeah, moderated a little bit.
DK: Trust is another word I have down. You, maybe, over-rely on people you trust.
RK: There's not too many I trust ...
DK: Sorry, I meant should there be more people you can trust?
RK: No, because generally speaking the people I have put a lot of trust in over the years have proved me wrong, believe it or not. I don't think that's too much I should worry about.
I see managers who take staff wherever they go. Martin O'Neill has three or four staff who have followed him around from Wycombe to Leicester and Celtic and you understand why.
Before, I used to wonder why they do that, but now I understand. They develop a trusting relationship with them and build on that. I'm only in this management game two minutes, but I bring the same staff with me now. There is that element of trust. I don't think you can go around trusting every Tom, Dick and Harry. No you can't. I did that a little bit at Sunderland, people I thought I knew, but no ...
DK: There are loads of assumptions out there, a public perception about your anger issues, going back to the quest for perfection, the intemperate behaviour on occasions ...
RK: Anger is an emotion. Do I get angry? Bet your life I do. Do I get angry like people think I do? Of course I don't! I wouldn't get a wink's sleep, I'd be too tired all the time. As you say, people assume things. But that's a very dangerous thing to do.
Hopefully I've had the balance right. At the beginning of the season, we'd a bad start, but I was as cool as a breeze.
The same at Sunderland, but there were a couple of incidents which were blown up as usual.
I've worked with managers and they could quite happily lose their temper, let me tell you. Alex Ferguson, Brian Clough. My manager at Rockmount. If you needed telling something, they'd tell you. I don't tip toe around players either. It will come from experience.
I appreciate some players need an arm put around them and others need a telling off. But you've got to be careful. You've got to make sure they know who's in charge.
DK: So, it's all about people management as much as football management?
RK: There's a skill to it, of course, and that's something I need to improve ...
DK: You're getting a little bit better ...
RK: Of course. It's like anything, there's skills to deal with being a good dad, being a good husband, skills for dealing with the media. There are different skills I think I'm okay on, certain others I think I can brush up on.
But it's not something that will keep me awake at night. That's something that will come down the line from being in management. Again, I see loads of football matches and top managers and say: 'Ah, I wouldn't have done that'. And they're top managers, vastly experienced managers. So, if I think I'm not going to make any mistakes, I'm kidding myself.
DK: Would you have put Messi wide against Inter instead of leaving him in the middle?
RK: But it's amazing. You're saying that, but he's had a decent start, that manager ...
DK: But you talk about managers making mistakes even at the highest level ...
RK: But we know that at the highest levels of sport, it's about the fine margins. Maybe he's sitting there this morning, thinking I should have done that. Or maybe not. Because they still had chances, the boy missed a header.
For some reason, we have a chat at work ... we talk about Inter like a pub team. But they've got established South American internationals, 50 or 60 caps.
We're saying Barcelona should do this or that. No matter how Barcelona play, they're going to have these five or six guys on the edge of the box. Good luck to them breaking that down.
We're all sitting at home watching it, saying he should have done this or that. But that's why we're sitting at home! I was in a hotel bar last night watching it thinking the same.
I'd love to have been on that sideline and then the next morning someone saying you should have done this. But I wasn't. So, you get on with your job and I'll get on with mine. Because we're all great managers. All the great managers are sitting on the sofa with a mug of tea and a chocolate biscuit. I'm like that as well. But at least I get a chance every Saturday.
DK: What are your best qualities as a manager? Or do you know what they are yet?
RK: I think you'd have to ask players I've worked with.
There'll always be the ones who are upset with you, usually the lads who don't play in the team. We saw an interview last week, the lad Boateng talking about the previous manager at Hull. What chance have you got with these type of players? They're slagging every manager off. I mean, you don't have to like the manager, but a bit of respect does help.
What are my strengths? I can tell you my weaknesses (laughs). Nah, there's loads of things I need to improve upon, spotting players, getting the right people around me.
DK: You've said that you're going to stop using your club press conferences to talk about subjects other than Ipswich Town. Why?
RK: With the television? Listen, I do the media every Friday. I spend10 minutes talking about Ipswich then at the end someone would ask me who do you think will win between Man United and Chelsea and then it's boom! I appreciate that happens, but I've stepped back from that.
Someone came over to me a while ago from an Irish paper and asked me about Munster, two questions. Then two days later, it's my insight into rugby, my knowledge of rugby. I answered two questions.
I know very little about rugby. But this stupid message goes out that I'm a supposed expert on rugby, it was the 'Times,' I think, exclusive about rugby! For Jesus' sake. You try to be respectful and answer their questions.
Let's not get sidetracked by rugby or who's going to be the next Celtic manager.
DK: But you answered that Celtic one didn't you?
RK: No, I didn't. They'll go back to something I said before a year ago. They'll ask me who's going to be the next manager and I'll say they have a manager. So, they presume that's 'Keane says give job to Lennon!' But I didn't actually say that!
You'll have to go to one of my press conferences.
It was the same at Sunderland. I know this is the way it is and I can't do much about it. Keane lashes this, Keane blasts that. It's lazy journalism, there are a lot of lazy journalists out there. Steve Bruce took his own PR person to Sunderland. I'd never do that, but I understand why he did it. All the politicians have them, they control the media, you write this, you write that.
I've never gone down that road and all the trouble I've ever gotten into is from what I'm supposed to have said, going back to Saipan, United. Silly headlines. Lies. And all of a sudden you're moving club and you're moving this ...
DK: But, in fairness, if someone goes from Ireland or London to Ipswich on a Friday, they're more interested in, say, Trapattoni and Andy Reid than who's going to start up front for Ipswich?
RK: It's amazing. Last year over here, someone was asking me about players in England. I was saying I couldn't get my head around the fact that players up and down the country weren't lasting 90 minutes, they were being taken off after an hour because they aren't fit enough.
A few days later, suddenly it was if I was having a go at Andy Reid. Amazing. I never mentioned the boy. But then there's these headlines because there'd been other silly headlines before about him when people asked me about the Ireland team.
But that's up to Trapattoni.
I don't know if you can stop it now, really, there's always something rolling throughout the last few years with my career. It's frustrating, as I say lazy journalism. I'd like to meet a reporter who'd ask me different questions instead of the same old stuff.
Who's going to get the Celtic job? What about United? Who's going to win the league? For Christ's sake?
DK: Can I ask you a very personal question? Were you really an alcoholic?
RK: Sorry?
DK: Were you an alcoholic?
RK: That's none of your business.
DK: Okay, It's an assumption out there, it's been written.
RK: I'm sure it is. It's nobody's business. There's been enough porkies told about me, this and that. I had it at the World Cup. There was a story I got this girl pregnant in Dublin ...
DK: But you drank a lot back in the days, over a weekend, after a match ... that's different ...
RK: In a sense, it is, but that's nobody's business -- what I was then and what I am now. And that's where I find you have to draw the line with certain people. People can write lies all they want. Stuff like that doesn't keep me awake, but you draw the line in certain ...
DK: But surely it's not nice to be called that?
RK: People get called worse. There'll be something next week about something else. If people want to say that about me, or anger ... Stuff like that doesn't upset me. Because a few years ago, I was the hero of Ireland, then I let them down. I was captain of United and then I'm not mentioned anymore. So, people betray you as something.
So, never get carried away when people call you a 'great one.' I certainly don't get carried away. If people say drink issues, anger issues, let the country down, whatever people want to add ... stuff like that. I know myself what's real and not real. Talk like that is nonsense, absolute nonsense.
DK: Do you still have a drink?
RK: No I don't have a drink, nah.
DK: A glass of wine with dinner?
RK: Nah, I've no interest. I think I've had my time with it. I don't go out much anyway. My relaxation is going to the pictures, walking the dogs, watching football. Ten years ago, I had a different way of doing things. I was going out with the lads in Dublin, back to Cork. Now I'm over here, drinking tea and tucked up in bed at ten.
DK: It's called getting old!
RK: I'm not old yet.
DK: What would your epitaph be?
RK: Who knows?
DK: Who knows? That would be a good one!
RK: I won't be worried about it at that stage.
DK: Would you like your kids to follow in a similar career path?
RK: They've taken more of an interest in Ipswich. They're older, I suppose. They've only been at one match, I think. But they've taken more interest in me as a manager than as a player. They don't really know me as a player. When they were younger, they'd no interest, but it was a military operation bringing them to matches, so my wife didn't bother too much with doing that.
We'd got to functions, we'd good nights out with the other families though, I wouldn't say otherwise. But my kids never got bogged down in what I was doing. My kids wouldn't have a clue whom I've played for or what I've won, not that I'm aware of, because we never discussed it.
I remember winning the league one year, I can't remember what year it was, they used to give us chocolate medals for the kids. The kids were more interested in that, not the fact we were after winning the league. That's what it's all about. When you've a good family around you, that's important, not getting too carried away with winning leagues.
I think they've their own paths to go down, they do all sports, the four girls and the young fella. I trust them to do what they want. And the kids don't worry about me either.
Hopefully, we can keep our base here if I can make this work. In fairness, it's the first time we've moved in 15 years. We've always been based in Manchester.
But I could be here for 10 years or gone this evening. Managers have lost their job after better seasons than the one I just had. I don't worry about stuff I'm not in control of anymore. I used to. The people at Ipswich are good to me, they treat me with respect and that's all I ask. But what will be, will be.
DK: That's the quirk of the whole managerial thing, isn't it? You don't know what's going to happen, you don't know where you might go next. And you haven't made a success of it yet?
RK: You're right. My family are switched on to that, especially my wife, if I have to move on. As a manager, I'll probably experience more moves than I did as a player. It's unusual in management. I'm open-minded.
If we have to move house and schools, we will. I don't want to do it every two or three years. I like being in a house, having dinner with the family.
Roy Keane was speaking at the launch of the annual Irish Guide Dogs for the Blind / Supervalu SHADES campaign
- David Kelly
Irish Independent
As a genuine tractor boy I can only hope that Roy the boys' days are numbered.
I suspect Evans will give him a shot at the start of next season, but if we're not top six early on it'll be a vote of confidence and then the heave ho with any luck.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 04, 2010, 08:50:58 PM
As a genuine tractor boy I can only hope that Roy the boys' days are numbered.
I suspect Evans will give him a shot at the start of next season, but if we're not top six early on it'll be a vote of confidence and then the heave ho with any luck.
Seriously deluded ::)
Look at the teams coming down, promoted and what could be left in the championship. Boro, Sheffield Utd and Reading seriously underachieved this year and I would not be surprised if Norwich is right up there come the start of next season. While you like him or not, he's done a reasonable job at Ipswich after a bit of a bad start to the season. With a bit of luck they could have been pushing for a playoff position; you only have to look at the number of draws they had. I don't see how bringing in a new manager will improve their chances of promotion against what I would class as bigger teams with more resources available but please explain?
Quote from: thebigfella on May 05, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 04, 2010, 08:50:58 PM
As a genuine tractor boy I can only hope that Roy the boys' days are numbered.
I suspect Evans will give him a shot at the start of next season, but if we're not top six early on it'll be a vote of confidence and then the heave ho with any luck.
Seriously deluded ::)
Look at the teams coming down, promoted and what could be left in the championship. Boro, Sheffield Utd and Reading seriously underachieved this year and I would not be surprised if Norwich is right up there come the start of next season. While you like him or not, he's done a reasonable job at Ipswich after a bit of a bad start to the season. With a bit of luck they could have been pushing for a playoff position; you only have to look at the number of draws they had. I don't see how bringing in a new manager will improve their chances of promotion against what I would class as bigger teams with more resources available but please explain?
If their finances are anything to go on, I wouldn't imagine Hull or Portsmouth will be returning to the Premier League anytime soon.
Good article small white mayoman.
Championship is always a tough league to get out of, apart from down to "league one"!
Hull and Portsmouth won't challenge as they are in the muck financially. It is always the sort of league that any of the teams in it can go well - look at the teams in the playoff positions - no one would have picked them out.
However I would agree that if Ipswich are not in contention by the end of 2010, a change of management will be likely.
Quote from: thebigfella on May 05, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 04, 2010, 08:50:58 PM
As a genuine tractor boy I can only hope that Roy the boys' days are numbered.
I suspect Evans will give him a shot at the start of next season, but if we're not top six early on it'll be a vote of confidence and then the heave ho with any luck.
Seriously deluded ::)
Look at the teams coming down, promoted and what could be left in the championship. Boro, Sheffield Utd and Reading seriously underachieved this year and I would not be surprised if Norwich is right up there come the start of next season. While you like him or not, he's done a reasonable job at Ipswich after a bit of a bad start to the season. With a bit of luck they could have been pushing for a playoff position; you only have to look at the number of draws they had. I don't see how bringing in a new manager will improve their chances of promotion against what I would class as bigger teams with more resources available but please explain?
Keane did a reasonable job this season, he righted the ship and they went on a good run of form and overall he deserves another crack at it, I think they would need to be challenging for a play off spot at least if they were to retain his services and I think he can accomplish that.
Quote from: stew on May 05, 2010, 04:34:38 PM
Keane did a reasonable job this season, he righted the ship and they went on a good run of form and overall he deserves another crack at it, I think they would need to be challenging for a play off spot at least if they were to retain his services and I think he can accomplish that.
Ignoring the bad start over the first 3 months, for the remainder of the season Ipswich would have been 8th, as per the table below:
1 Newcastle (P) 75
2 WBA (P) 66
3 Nottm Forest (PO) 56
4 Leicester City (PO) 55
5 Reading 53
6 Cardiff City (PO) 50
6 Swansea City 50
8 Sheffield Utd 48
8 Ipswich Town 48
10 Blackpool (PO) 47
11 Doncaster 46
12 Derby County 42
13 Barnsley 40
14 Bristol City 39
15 Middlesbrough 38
16 Coventry City 37
17 Scunthorpe 35
18 QPR 34
19 Watford 33
20 Crystal Palace 32
20 Plymouth (R) 32
22 Preston 31
22 Sheffield Wed (R) 31
24 Peterborough (R) 23With 3 of the teams above them now gone, and the 3 coming down being no great shakes, next year could be wide open and a playoff position is certainly gettable.
Good start to the season for Roys lads. Not pulling up any trees but have as many points now as after 2 months last season and two extra time cup wins. No wonder this thread has gone quiet. ;)
Quote from: Boycey on September 10, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
QuoteRoy Keane is mourning the passing of his dog Triggs.
The golden labrador has been a constant companion for the Republic of Ireland legend.
Keane, now boss of Ipswich, famously took Triggs for walks - followed by a mass of journalists - on his return home from the 2002 World Cup, when he walked out after a blazing row with Mick McCarthy.
Never one for meeting his team-mates away from the pitch or training HQ, Keane trusted his dog more than his fellow players.
Triggs passed away at the age of nine after a battle with cancer.
A source was quoted in The Sun as saying: 'Roy has lost his best friend. Triggs has been a calming influence on him over the years. This news will have the Ipswich players panicking.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1310863/Roy-Keanes-dog-Triggs-dies.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0z9AdABHx
I particularly like the last bit.....
I prefer that bit in bold ;)
May his paws rest in peace - finally.
RIP Triggs
Through to round 4 of Carling Cup and sitting 2nd in the Championship.
Quote from: Main Street on September 10, 2010, 07:57:26 PM
May his paws rest in peace - finally.
RIP Triggs
He's not dead
Do we only get updates from our Roy fans when Ipswich win ???
Anyway just in case they missed it after tonights defeat thats 1 point from 6 for our Roykeanesipswichtown
Hope he gets it back on track soon.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 28, 2010, 10:34:12 PM
Do we only get updates from our Roy fans when Ipswich win ???
Anyway just in case they missed it after tonights defeat thats 1 point from 6 for our Roykeanesipswichtown
Hope he gets it back on track soon.
Back to the Liverpool thread with you Lucas.
Quote from: muppet on September 28, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 28, 2010, 10:34:12 PM
Do we only get updates from our Roy fans when Ipswich win ???
Anyway just in case they missed it after tonights defeat thats 1 point from 6 for our Roykeanesipswichtown
Hope he gets it back on track soon.
Back to the Liverpool thread with you Lucas.
This is my thread,I started it
Yea post on the Liverpool thread how they are doing ye muppet :D :D
Quote from: new devil on September 28, 2010, 11:02:48 PM
Yea post on the Liverpool thread how they are doing ye muppet :D :D
Let's hope he doesn't just post there when Liverpool win.
:D :D :D
Quote from: never kickt a ball on September 28, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
Quote from: new devil on September 28, 2010, 11:02:48 PM
Yea post on the Liverpool thread how they are doing ye muppet :D :D
Let's hope he doesn't just post there when Liverpool win.
:D :D :D
Nice to see the two gimps following me around the board like two sheep, they must have been lost without me while I was on holiday the past few weeks.
You were away?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 29, 2010, 12:38:18 PM
Nice to see the two gimps following me around the board like two sheep, they must have been lost without me while I was on holiday the past few weeks. I Dr
they were suffering withdrawal systoms!! I think New Devil was for meeting you in New York!! :D
Full Time
Roykeanesipswichtown 1 - 2 Coventry City
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 16, 2010, 06:13:36 PM
Full Time
Roykeanesipswichtown 1 - 2 Coventry City
Recently married & bored 1- Get the f**k over it 2
Quote from: muppet on October 17, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 16, 2010, 06:13:36 PM
Full Time
Roykeanesipswichtown 1 - 2 Coventry City
Recently married & bored 1- Get the f**k over it 2
Just updating my thread.
I thought someone else was doing it but they seem to have stopped.
Nottingham Forest 2
Roykeanesipswichtown 0
Down to 13th :(
JusttheonequestionTheRealLaoisladwhynospacesinyourthreadtitles?
It's the missing apostrophe that bugs me.
Why isn't Laoislad keeping this thread updated??? Beat the conquerors of Liverpool tonight 3-1
I suspect the boul Roy will be getting a vote of confidence any day now!!!
Quote from: ross4life on October 26, 2010, 09:58:40 PM
Why isn't Laoislad keeping this thread updated??? Beat the conquerors of Liverpool tonight 3-1
Surethatsnobigdeal!
Not going well at half time for our Roy,hope he can turn it around in 2nd half
Big win for keanos boys tonight!
they play arsenewengersarsenal in the semi's
This could spell the end of Roy.2-1 down against swansea
Quote from: gerrykeegan on December 04, 2010, 02:20:00 PM
This could spell the end of Roy.2-1 down against swansea
bate 1-3 in the end, will he walk?
he will be spending xmas with the family this year i reckon
They got shafted today though. When it was still 2-1 with 5 minutes to go Ipswich had a stone wall penalty not given, then Swansea went up and scored the 3rd.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 04, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
They got shafted today though. When it was still 2-1 with 5 minutes to go Ipswich had a stone wall penalty not given, then Swansea went up and scored the 3rd.
Nail on the head. Ironic that it was Andy D'Urso!!
A couple of the goals Swansea got were terrible from a defensive point of view.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 04, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
They got shafted today though. When it was still 2-1 with 5 minutes to go Ipswich had a stone wall penalty not given, then Swansea went up and scored the 3rd.
What's that got to do with it Archie? Don't you know you should never let the truth get in the way of having a go at Roy. ::)
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 04, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
They got shafted today though. When it was still 2-1 with 5 minutes to go Ipswich had a stone wall penalty not given, then Swansea went up and scored the 3rd.
you're not joking !! as clear a penalty as i have ever saw.
as Rufus said, how ironic it was D'urso. Keano has obviously mellowed in his years, he was quite calm in his interviews. I wonder is D'urso sitting with his feet up tonight having a wee smile to himself.
I think he has mellowed quite a bit. When things were going wrong at Sunderland you could see it in his face he was eething. In the recent bad run for Ipswich he looks sort of chilled out. Concerned yes but not manic. A good thing I think overall.
Quote from: hardstation on December 05, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
Yeah, his psychiatrist seems to have worked wonders with him.
"Roy, before you throw a wobbler, repeat this sentence........"
"Nobody died, get over it".
Indeed!!
Yeah, he is saying that a lot!
Seriously though, I think you can see it in his demeanour that he is mor at ease with things.
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 05, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
Yeah, he is saying that a lot!
Seriously though, I think you can see it in his demeanour that he is mor at ease with things.
He is a complete embarrassment! Trying to tell people that things don't matter as his job comes tumbling down around him! I honestly loved Keane as a player and listened to him when he spoke at Sunderland! But now he is is nothing more than another small voice in a small league! Roy will probably get replaced by a journeyman manager. Someone like Alan Curbishley who will probably do a great job at Ipswich, sure at least nobody died!
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 05, 2010, 03:33:52 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 05, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
Yeah, he is saying that a lot!
Seriously though, I think you can see it in his demeanour that he is mor at ease with things.
He is a complete embarrassment! Trying to tell people that things don't matter as his job comes tumbling down around him! I honestly loved Keane as a player and listened to him when he spoke at Sunderland! But now he is is nothing more than another small voice in a small league! Roy will probably get replaced by a journeyman manager. Someone like Alan Curbishley who will probably do a great job at Ipswich, sure at least nobody died!
You might replace him yourself.
That's the first intelligent thing you have ever posted on this board, Muppet! Well done!
Boris Becker has already cornered the market in 'no one died'. The difference is that Becker was ultimately only playing for himself. Ger Loughnane put it better when, after another near miss for Clare in Munster, he observed (in words to this effect) that yes, no one died, but at that moment death would seem like a sweet release
http://roykeanesgum.tumblr.com/post/2099912962/roy-keane-places-cheshire-mansion-on-the-market-for (http://roykeanesgum.tumblr.com/post/2099912962/roy-keane-places-cheshire-mansion-on-the-market-for)
Keane's house is on the market. Photos at the bottom of the article. Some house!
The end is nigh.
Suppose he always has the Champions' League medal to fall back on.
Or 8 league medals.
Quote from: ONeill on December 11, 2010, 05:28:36 PM
Suppose he always has the Champions' League medal to fall back on.
:D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 11, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 11, 2010, 05:28:36 PM
Suppose he always has the Champions' League medal to fall back on.
:D
Am i missing something here? Hows that funny ???
Quote from: new devil on December 11, 2010, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 11, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 11, 2010, 05:28:36 PM
Suppose he always has the Champions' League medal to fall back on.
:D
Am i missing something here? Hows that funny ???
Check out the Football Trivia quiz thread, it's O'Neill idea of humour after his failed quiz last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E2hYDIFDIU
Chris Houghton Sacked
Big Sam Sacked
Roy Keane defies belief
Next game v Sven's Leicester at home this Sat 5.20pm ko. A toughie.
Rumours going around that he had an "altercation" on the training ground yesterday - He'll surely go soon
Ooops - that'll learn me for spreading gossip
http://www.examiner.ie/home/angry-ipswich-refute-keane-delaney-bust-up-claim-139361.html (http://www.examiner.ie/home/angry-ipswich-refute-keane-delaney-bust-up-claim-139361.html)
The snow and ice must suit Roy,Maybe he should become a Ice Hockey manager..
How this game is not being called off is staggering btw,you can't see see any of the lines on the pitch
Anyone else watching this game on Sky Sports now? must be incredibly difficult for the officials to make out the markings on the pitch
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 18, 2010, 06:03:40 PM
The snow and ice must suit Roy,Maybe he should become a Ice Hockey manager..
How this game is not being called off is staggering btw,you can't see see any of the lines on the pitch
I thought the same thing myself,can't believe the game is continuing.
Quote from: Eddie Stobart on December 18, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 18, 2010, 06:03:40 PM
The snow and ice must suit Roy,Maybe he should become a Ice Hockey manager..
How this game is not being called off is staggering btw,you can't see see any of the lines on the pitch
I thought the same thing myself,can't believe the game is continuing.
It be actually quite funny if the game was called off with Ipswich 3-0 up :)
Play stopped.
Back on again, crazy stuff
Game back on
gone , mutual consent is what im hearing tonight
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1344794/Roy-Keane-sacked-Ipswich-Tractor-Boys-dismiss-boss-promotion-promise-falls-short.html
Triggs is in for some going over in the morning!!
Strange time to sack Roy Keane with the FA cup, Carling Cup semi-finals coming up i guess saves the embarrassment?
Keano for Anfield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2011, 01:19:30 AM
Keano for Anfield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
couldn't do any worse than that clown hodgson!!!
Results were not good enough after an encouraging start to the season. I'd say Roy would be the first to admit that himself.
Keano is just not up to it, is he ?
Look at where Sunderland are now.
QuoteTriggs is in for some going over in the morning!!
A gruesome thought as Triggs died over 6 months ago.
That's it for Keano in management unless he does a Tony Adams and effs off to Azerbaijan or some other God forsaken place.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 07, 2011, 09:46:46 AM
QuoteTriggs is in for some going over in the morning!!
A gruesome thought as Triggs died over 6 months ago.
That's it for Keano in management unless he does a Tony Adams and effs off to Azerbaijan or some other God forsaken place.
Or Longford Town FC....
QuoteOr Longford Town FC....
Known locally as Tallaght Town FC!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 07, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
QuoteOr Longford Town FC....
Known locally as Tallaght Town FC!
I think I would rather live in Azerbaijan than Longford
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 07, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 07, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
QuoteOr Longford Town FC....
Known locally as Tallaght Town FC!
I think I would rather live in Azerbaijan than Longford
I think they are twinned anyway!
I thought I read that Roy denied Triggs died. He said that was just some rumour?
Good to see the Liverpool fans cheered up temporally. Can't wait for Sunday now. (rubbing hands together) ;D
In fairness Ipswich gave him ample time to turn it around, 20 months is a lifetime in the Championship.
Quote from: m***** s***** on September 22, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Through to round 4 of Carling Cup and sitting 2nd in the Championship.
Amazing what can happen in 4 months.....Sure at least they still have the Carling Cup I suppose.
Everytime I see Ipsich have a good run and then suddenly implode I always think of what Shane Supple said about them
For a couple of years the Dubliner had doubts about the life he had once dreamt about while playing back home. They began as soon as he departed an underage set-up that had carried Ipswich to the 2005 FA Youth Cup, beating a Southampton team that included Gareth Bale and Theo Walcott. By 17 he had made his senior debut but a quick look around the dressing room at Portman Road told him it was only a matter of time before he walked away.
"All along you are with a bunch of young lads whose ambition is solely to get to the first team but when you get there, ambitions change. You want to win things and achieve things but others are different. Some people are happy to just be there. It wasn't what I expected. You can't begrudge someone for their motives but ideally you want people there because they love the game and want to win things. But a lot just do it for money and the lifestyle. I didn't want to be stuck in England for the rest of my life not happy, surrounded by that."
It was that same attitude he saw back in July during his time in the Colchester garrison. With the squad split into teams, his group had planned to work hard and win each task over the military proving ground. In the end they did, but the competition wasn't sniping away right behind them. "Maybe I enjoyed it more than some of the other players. A few lads weren't too happy with the situation, with the phone being taken off them and stuff like this. A few lads were broken come the end of it, but I liked the toughness. Maybe it showed the difference between me and some of the others even more."
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 07, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 07, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
QuoteOr Longford Town FC....
Known locally as Tallaght Town FC!
I think I would rather live in Azerbaijan than Longford
I think i would prefer a Longford accent to a Laois one. De mudder and de fadder.
Longford is a state of mind. If the Longfod genes could be transplanted to Mayo there would be no
200 page long football crucifixions on this board.
This wasn't the Roy I was hoping would get sacked today.
Quote from: Minder on January 07, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
This wasn't the Roy I was hoping would get sacked today.
+1, sooner woy is away the better
Paul Jewell being tipped to take over.
The RealLaoisLad must know his stuff
Re: Nottingham Forest Thread
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Great win for Forest, The hangmans noose gets tighter around our Roys neck.....
And.....
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 30, 2010, 12:32:13 AM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on December 29, 2010, 11:36:45 PM
Big win against Derby tonight 5 - 2. We are starting to play well now, look good for at least the play offs. Bring on Ipswich (and yer man who manages them, Keano or something!) this weekend!!
f**k keano. i remember his interview in 1993, after relegation from the 1st premier league season.
"Thats it, im out of here" - those were his words
Roy Keane walking out of somewhere when the going gets tough I don't believe you
Just a little irony in the fact that his last game was against Forest!
In fairness leaveherinsir it didn't take a genius to see his time was up.
I'm just surprised the gobshite lasted as long as he did...
As a long time fan of ITFC, I am disappionted that yet another manager has failed to cut the mustard at the club. Ah well, another year of checking the progress of the mediocrity that has cursed the club since Bobby Robson left.
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
The RealLaoisLad must know his stuff
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Great win for Forest, The hangmans noose gets tighter around our Roys neck.....
And.....
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2010, 12:40:45 AM »
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 30, 2010, 12:32:13 AM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on December 29, 2010, 11:36:45 PM
Big win against Derby tonight 5 - 2. We are starting to play well now, look good for at least the play offs. Bring on Ipswich (and yer man who manages them, Keano or something!) this weekend!!
f**k keano. i remember his interview in 1993, after relegation from the 1st premier league season.
"Thats it, im out of here" - those were his words
Roy Keane walking out of somewhere when the going gets tough I don't believe you
Just a little irony in the fact that his last game was against Forest!
Keane came third in the YPOT award that year (Giggs won it). I think he was also Forest's POTY that season voted by the fans. No one could accuse him of not having done his best for the club.
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
How long before someone says he walked out on Ipswich?
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
Is their any other job in the world that you can do so bad but walk out the door with millions?
Hopefully Roy & Rafa don't take up any more managing jobs as it will stop RLL starting these silly threads.
Quote from: ross4life on January 07, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
Is their any other job in the world that you can do so bad but walk out the door with millions?
Taoiseach
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
That would be a common enough theme with Roy, "im right and the rest of the world is wrong" The question is "Is Roy Keane a muppet?" ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 07, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
How long before someone says he walked out on Ipswich?
He didnt make them look good before walking!
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
That would be a common enough theme with Roy, "im right and the rest of the world is wrong" The question is "Is Roy Keane a muppet?" ;)
Thats my missus mantra too
Roy is a legend, as a footballer he is up there with the best. As a manager he had one good spell and hasn't cut the mustard.
I think Liverpool supporters would prefer to rip the back out of Ireland's best player than talk about the demise of the once great Liverpool.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
Roy is a legend, as a footballer he is up there with the best. As a manager he had one good spell and hasn't cut the mustard.
I think Liverpool supporters would prefer to rip the back out of Ireland's best player than talk about the demise of the once great Liverpool.
On this thread I would imagine they would alright....
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
That would be a common enough theme with Roy, "im right and the rest of the world is wrong" The question is "Is Roy Keane a muppet?" ;)
Would it really? Any chance of backing any of that shite up?
Quote from: muppet on January 08, 2011, 04:13:29 AM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
That would be a common enough theme with Roy, "im right and the rest of the world is wrong" The question is "Is Roy Keane a muppet?" ;)
Would it really? Any chance of backing any of that shite up?
Forest, United, Ireland, Celtic, Sunderland, Ipswich maybe! P.S. Lighten up sir, only a wee joke that last comment :)
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
That would be a common enough theme with Roy, "im right and the rest of the world is wrong" The question is "Is Roy Keane a muppet?" ;)
The more I think about it I think the question is "Is muppet Roy Keane?"
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 08, 2011, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 08, 2011, 04:13:29 AM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: leaveherinsir on January 07, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Leaving to join United, enough to break the heart of any Forest fan! I think the quote below the one you highlighted says more about Keane tho.
If I recall from his book he was pissed off at other players not having pulled their weight that season, including senior players.
That would be a common enough theme with Roy, "im right and the rest of the world is wrong" The question is "Is Roy Keane a muppet?" ;)
Would it really? Any chance of backing any of that shite up?
Forest, United, Ireland, Celtic, Sunderland, Ipswich maybe! P.S. Lighten up sir, only a wee joke that last comment :)
Memo to self: don't post at 4am after pints.
Eamon Dunphy has said that he believes Roy Keane is not suited to management, and that he is unlikely to get another managerial job following his sacking as Ipswich Town boss.
Speaking on Morning Ireland, Dunphy told Darren Frehill that he was not surprised by Keane's sacking. Under the Cork man, Ipswich have lost 10 of their last 14 games.
Dunphy said: "The results have been very poor, and he has been sniping at the club for not giving him money to buy players. I don't think he is cut-out for management. His record at Sunderland was OK, but the constant stories of fights with players and his public denunciation of his own players are bad signs. I don't think Roy Keane is cut-out temperamentally for management. You have to respect other people".
Dunphy also believes that Keane was too vocal at press conferences and tended to speak his mind:
"A lot of his press conferences are bizarre to say the least. Journalists love him because he is always controversial. A football club should always be about the team and the players, and I think that having such a high-profile and controversial character as manager puts a spotlight on players who are really only Championship players. They are journeymen, I was one myself, and there is enough pressure inherent in being that. When he arrived at Ipswich in a glare of publicity, and with the targets he set himself, this increased the pressure on what are, basically, ordinary players".
Keane had moderate success as a manager when he teamed up with former Ireland team-mate, Niall Quinn at Sunderland.
Dunphy added: "He got promotion at Sunderland, and they were close to the bottom of the table when he arrived, but he was still a remote figure to the players. I have spoken to players who played for him there and he wasn't liked. He was feared actually, and you can't get results on a continuing basis if players are afraid of you. I don't think he will get another job in football. He has proved, like many great players, to be unable to do the difficult job (of management)".
Dunphy was not entirely critical of Keane however, and did offer some praise:
"The other thing to be said about Roy Keane is that he is a remarkable man. He has five beautiful children and a very nice wife. He is taking care of his parents and friends in Cork, and he has never forgotten where he has come from. There are an awful lot of positives in Roy Keane's story and in his life".
Roy Keane as a player was someone everyone would want on their team but obviously doesn't have waht it takes to be a manager (yet). Maybe he should drop down a couple of divisions and work upwards.
Jeez he must be hard to live with at the min. God help the wife and kids. You'd also hate to be his mate at the min. Can you imagine how bad the coversation would be over a few pints?
Quote from: under the bar on January 08, 2011, 11:42:01 PM
Roy Keane as a player was someone everyone would want on their team but obviously doesn't have waht it takes to be a manager (yet). Maybe he should drop down a couple of divisions and work upwards.
Jeez he must be hard to live with at the min. God help the wife and kids. You'd also hate to be his mate at the min. Can you imagine how bad the coversation would be over a few pints?
Funny enough I have a hunch that he's not too bad about it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/maybe-he-failed-to-prepare-2489412.html
Certainly no Keane fan, and not even a soccer fan and never commented on this thread (feel necessary to clear that up right at the start given the diametrically opposed views on Keane on here). But seems an unnecessary article. Couple of fair paragraphs about Giggs, Scholes and then some of Roy's unnecessary rants, but a bitchy article kicking someone when they're down, strikes me as rather pathetic.
Quote from: screenexile on January 09, 2011, 01:31:22 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/maybe-he-failed-to-prepare-2489412.html
I think it hits the nail on the head, but as you say Keane does divide opinion! Going to quote Tom Humphries from yesterday's Irish Times here, think it sums it up fairly well...
.. Thats the thing. The blessing and the curse for the man. Very few of us can ever look at Roy Keane dispassionately. And that quality, the ability to sharply divide opinion, that is what will keep him working.
Not going well for Ipswich today,pity I like to see them do well always had a soft spot for them
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
kicking someone when they're down, strikes me as rather pathetic.
Bit ironic to defend Keane with a statement like that
It's a very good, harsh, biting article. The unfortunate truth being that you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
If Roy was a journalist that is the kinda thing he would have written in the past.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
kicking someone when they're down, strikes me as rather pathetic.
Bit ironic to defend Keane with a statement like that
;D
Bring back Roy
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
kicking someone when they're down, strikes me as rather pathetic.
Bit ironic to defend Keane with a statement like that
Instead of pathetic, I considered hypocritical, obviously should have gone with that, if you construe my comment as a defence of Keane. Your own opinions on the man are well known, but criticising criticism of him is not defending him. I just happen to think it is sh*t journalism as opposed to biting, and all too easy to do - don't think there is anything new in the article whatsoever, just rehashing of various musings from multiple commentators in the past. That doesn't stop it containing some valid points however.
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
kicking someone when they're down, strikes me as rather pathetic.
Bit ironic to defend Keane with a statement like that
Instead of pathetic, I considered hypocritical, obviously should have gone with that, if you construe my comment as a defence of Keane. Your own opinions on the man are well known, but criticising criticism of him is not defending him. I just happen to think it is sh*t journalism as opposed to biting, and all too easy to do - don't think there is anything new in the article whatsoever, just rehashing of various musings from multiple commentators in the past. That doesn't stop it containing some valid points however.
It's the Sunday independent, shite journalists writing shite articles is what they Di best. I thought everyone knew that at this stage. I still reckon Roy will be back and will do a good job with some other team. The great Brian clough even had times like this.
I thought PM's were Private Messages?
I won't post the PM's you sent me crying and whinging about me having a go at your hero,which made me send that PM in the first place as I was tired of your moaning,anything to shut a woman up and all that.
I have more class..
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Thats the email notification about the PM. All those notifications come from admin@gaaboard.com
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Quote from: screenexile on January 09, 2011, 01:31:22 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/maybe-he-failed-to-prepare-2489412.html
Brilliant article. Sums the Keane myth for the hypocritical media loving individual that he was. Love the bit about comparing Roy's win at all costs or you're loser attitude to the so called celtic tiger cubs. The Giggs and Scholes professionalism is an excellent contrast.
Keane should become a pundit. Excellent for ratings and he could continue being a hypcritical mouth piece like his former buddy Eamo.
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Why can't we all just move on....they have...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 09, 2011, 09:31:29 PM
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Why can't we all just move on....they have...
Look at the guy with a gun in Keane's back.
Laoislad where were you that day?
He has too much hair to be me..
Electric Shock would be my preferred option of killing anyways...all that water would have made a excellent conductor as well.
If Keane ever gets around to updating his autobiography, It should be more interesting than the original.
High standards are admirable, but he must now realise that most of the sh1te he has spouted about managers in recent years, were the words of someone incapable of understanding the bigger picture.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D
The A-League rumour mill has gone into overdrive after Roy Keane was spotted at Sydney FC's Asian Champions League match at the Sydney Football Stadium on Wednesday night - fuelling speculation that the former Manchester United captain is set to be appointed Melbourne Victory manager.
It was reported during Fox Sports' coverage of the match that Keane was avoiding approaches from journalists, constantly moving seats.
Rumours begun circling on Tuesday that Keane had arrived in Australia for talks with Melbourne, and reports from the Sydney Football Stadium via Twitter confirmed Keane's arrival in Australia.
The Australian's Ray Gatt posted during the match: "Well, just spotted Roy Keane. He is with his son. He did not want to talk and that is understandable".
Fox Sports' Mark Bosnich wrote: "Roy Keane was at the SFS 2night for the Asian Champions League Game".
Keane has been out of work since January when he was sacked by Ipswich after his 20 months in charge failed to ignite a Premier League promotion challenge".
Although caretaker coach Mehmet Durakovic has stated his desire to stay in the job long term, the Manchester United legend, who guided Sunderland from the bottom of the Championship into the Barclays Premier League as manager in 2007, would be a high-profile replacement for Ernie Merrick at Melbourne Victory.
If it is true I suppose he has found his level....
Melbourne already has a sprinkling of the O'Halpins, is there room in OZfor another Langer ?
Saipan be a handy wee trip for a pre-season training camp...........
Jazes.
Australia swopping Bryan McFadden for Roy Keane.
Who's doing well in this one?
Good to see Keano showing his loyalties again last night . . . why do people all around Ireland continue to worship this man?? It's beyond me!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2011, 09:36:37 AM
Good to see Keano showing his loyalties again last night . . . why do people all around Ireland continue to worship this man?? It's beyond me!!
What did he do?
He was on ITV panel for Engerland v Sveeden last night.
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2011, 09:36:37 AM
Good to see Keano showing his loyalties again last night . . . why do people all around Ireland continue to worship this man?? It's beyond me!!
Not Keane's biggest fan and didn't see the England game but how was he being disloyal by being a studio pundit? Handy money I'd say when you see the rest of them.
I'd say he was for fortright than Southgate anyway. And RTE have their pundits sorted.
He referred to Ireland qualifyng several times as they this, they that, there fans, etc... which without being pedantic i found disappointing, it annoys me when i hear the english born Irish players doing that but even more so Roy shouldnt be at it imo, I dont think utv or the brit public would mind him refer to his country as we...i just dont get it.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 16, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
He referred to Ireland qualifyng several times as they this, they that, there fans, etc... which without being pedantic i found disappointing, it annoys me when i hear the english born Irish players doing that but even more so Roy shouldnt be at it imo, I dont think utv or the brit public would mind him refer to his country as we...i just dont get it.
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Roy was being loyal to "Team Roy". Nothing new in that. He'll probably develop his punditry career now and morph in to Eamon Dunphy.
He's already more hateful than Dunphy!
Sure why dont RTE go and get another Trevor Stevens or Graham Souness for their panels, I hear Mark Hately is looking some TV work.
Roy in Nov 2008
QuoteI was asked by ITV to do the Celtic versus Manchester United game but I've done it once for Sky and never again. I'd rather go to the dentist.
'You're sitting there with people like Richard Keys and they're trying to sell something that's not there.
'Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say "he's playing well" and I'm thinking "no, he's not."
'My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinions.
'There are ex-players and ex-referees being given air-time who I wouldn't listen to in a pub.'
He's a hypocrite, very hard to respect his opinions these days, a caricature of himself.
You've lost me with that one Dinny - Are just getting cranky?
Quote from: Declan on November 16, 2011, 02:50:28 PM
You've lost me with that one Dinny - Are just getting cranky?
No just stupid, forgot to put in the quote..
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 16, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
He referred to Ireland qualifyng several times as they this, they that, there fans, etc... which without being pedantic i found disappointing, it annoys me when i hear the english born Irish players doing that but even more so Roy shouldnt be at it imo, I dont think utv or the brit public would mind him refer to his country as we...i just dont get it.
I've seen lads getting lambasted on this site for saying "we" when talking about a club team they support or follow. He must be wary of the gaaboard i'd say....and obviously feels he has no connection to the team itself now, hence they instead of we....
It is annoying all that being said.
As a pundit, how was he? Didn't see the game or highlghts. Did he tell it as it was (maybe England played well) or did he trot off the usual platitudes?
Still the best soccer player that was born in Ireland. was voted onto the most premier teams of the season also (i think) so considering his vast experience and knowledge of the game I'd say he'd be a quality pundit. I find it strange so many Irish men dislike him.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2011, 06:10:03 PM
I find it strange so many Irish men dislike him.
Just typical Irish begrudgery
Poor old Roy. He has turned into a true gobshite. Now his football management career is over, he decides to get into something he abhorred 3 years ago. Total Baffoon. And he rarely does have much interesting to say and ITV should be careful he doesnt get them into shit loads of trouble by doing a Big Ron impression somewhere down the line.
roys a twat, no common sense whatsoever.
A sad response. though very typical of Irish men
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2011, 07:31:17 PM
A sad response. though very typical of Irish men
He always has nice designer stubble going on eh MR2? ;)
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 16, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
He referred to Ireland qualifyng several times as they this, they that, there fans, etc... which without being pedantic i found disappointing, it annoys me when i hear the english born Irish players doing that but even more so Roy shouldnt be at it imo, I dont think utv or the brit public would mind him refer to his country as we...i just dont get it.
As mentioned before, you were disappointed by Marty Clarke writing "Northern Ireland" on his arm, so forgive me for not caring if Roy upset you.
Have always maintained that Keane is a bollocks, but the fact he said "they" instead of "we"? Cop the f**k on like.
Maybe it's a Cork thing.
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 16, 2011, 07:27:52 PM
Poor old Roy. He has turned into a true gobshite. Now his football management career is over, he decides to get into something he abhorred 3 years ago. Total Baffoon. And he rarely does have much interesting to say and ITV should be careful he doesnt get them into shit loads of trouble by doing a Big Ron impression somewhere down the line.
That's a bit low. Haven't you enough stuff in his back catalogue to whinge about without groundlessly supposing that the man is racist?
He is back and still dividing opinions as sharply as ever!!
No LL yet either :D
Quote from: AFS on November 16, 2011, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 16, 2011, 07:27:52 PM
Poor old Roy. He has turned into a true gobshite. Now his football management career is over, he decides to get into something he abhorred 3 years ago. Total Baffoon. And he rarely does have much interesting to say and ITV should be careful he doesnt get them into shit loads of trouble by doing a Big Ron impression somewhere down the line.
That's a bit low. Haven't you enough stuff in his back catalogue to whinge about without groundlessly supposing that the man is racist?
Wasn't necessarily calling him a racist, although he did say live on telly at half time in the Villareal v City game that what else would you expect from the Spanish when they were diving, hardly racist tho
Good old KeanO - legend
Best player ever to have pulled on the Irish jersey. I'm sure he would not give 2 fcuks what a bunch of nobodies on here think of him.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 16, 2011, 09:32:06 PM
Best player ever to have pulled on the Irish jersey. I'm sure he would not give 2 fcuks what a bunch of nobodies on here think of him.
He couldn't lace Liam Brady's boots
far better player than Brady Doug. Brady was a great player, but Roy was a greater player.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 16, 2011, 09:32:06 PM
Best player ever to have pulled on the Irish jersey. I'm sure he would not give 2 fcuks what a bunch of nobodies on here think of him.
Does Georgie Best not count for wearing an Irish shirt ;)
Aside from him you are probably to young to remember the likes of John Giles playing for Ireland, he was as good as Keane IMO.
Brady is probably the most naturally gifted player to ever play for us.
Paul McGrath
It's probably been said before, but Roy Keane could have raped and buggered Mother Teresa in front of a classroom of disabled children, and some of his fans would still worship the ground he walks on.
He was a very fine footballer, but that shouldn't disguise his troubled nature.
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 16, 2011, 08:50:27 PM
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Wasn't necessarily calling him a racist, although he did say live on telly at half time in the Villareal v City game that what else would you expect from the Spanish when they were diving, hardly racist tho
Good old KeanO - legend
Ironic that Roy was the first player to be booked in the EPL for diving to win a penalty.
A great player and no slighting of his ability not be regarded as one of our greatest.
Is he any good at the punditry thing? can't be that difficult to sound intelligent on ITV, isn't Andy Townshend there?
Quote from: gallsman on November 16, 2011, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 16, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
He referred to Ireland qualifyng several times as they this, they that, there fans, etc... which without being pedantic i found disappointing, it annoys me when i hear the english born Irish players doing that but even more so Roy shouldnt be at it imo, I dont think utv or the brit public would mind him refer to his country as we...i just dont get it.
As mentioned before, you were disappointed by Marty Clarke writing "Northern Ireland" on his arm, so forgive me for not caring if Roy upset you.
Have always maintained that Keane is a bollocks, but the fact he said "they" instead of "we"? Cop the f**k on like.
Nothing to forgive Gallsman, i wasnt upset, just disappointed, and it stayed in my conciousness for about 30 secs like you know. Unlike the 4/5 yrs and counting some of the saddos on here remember the perceived negatives i said. Gallsman i certainly cant remember nore do i want to remember anything you or anyone else says, nore am i bitter or pityful enough to store it in my memory bank. What does that say about you?
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Quote from: sammymaguire on November 16, 2011, 08:50:27 PM
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Wasn't necessarily calling him a racist, although he did say live on telly at half time in the Villareal v City game that what else would you expect from the Spanish when they were diving, hardly racist tho
Good old KeanO - legend
Ironic that Roy was the first player to be booked in the EPL for diving to win a penalty.
A great player and no slighting of his ability not be regarded as one of our greatest.
Is he any good at the punditry thing? can't be that difficult to sound intelligent on ITV, isn't Andy Townshend there?
He's there but I don't know how intelligent he sounds. He had Davids on with him once and someone on here was writing about the look on Andy's face as Davids was explaining a tactical point, looked like he was listening to Steven Hawking explaining quantum mechanics!
Yes the wobble has him down as a fine player. says it all
failed manager now trying to be a pundit-these were the type of people he used to give out about.he cannot do without a bit of attention
Quote from: thewobbler on November 16, 2011, 11:04:15 PM
It's probably been said before, but Roy Keane could have raped and buggered Mother Teresa in front of a classroom of disabled children, and some of his fans would still worship the ground he walks on.
He was a very fine footballer, but that shouldn't disguise his troubled nature.
That's a bit harsh, you'd need the full story. What if she accused him of feigning injury to skip Palm Sunday Mass?
Finest player to wear the Irish Jersey or the finest player to disgrace the Irish Jersey . . . I know which Camp I'm in!
An ego so big that he reckoned he was bigger than the Country and then Man Utd in the end. He's been shown up as an asshole on many's an occasion and his ego means he will never succeed as a manager.
Whatever about Ferguson (and I can't stand him) he didn't let his ego get in the way when dealing with Rooney as he knew that in certain situations the Club was more important than he is. Keane has not learned this in any shape or form.
For all his 'greatness' as a footballer I would still have him behind Scholes from that era and I think his ability has been much exaggerated when you try and compare him to the best around today!!
I've no time for the man, but he was a much better player than Scholes. Scholes never quite got in the goals again once Keane's driving force behind him was removed.
By the way, Scholes also let his county down, albeit in a much more adult way.
George Best
good player in terms of commitment but talent wise ireland and man had far greater
Ireland have had some very good players over the years but a few real world class players. Giles to my mind is out on top followed closely by Keane, Carey, McGrath and then Brady. Jobs are limited enough for ex-players so unless he decides to go back into coaching/managing then we can look forward to hearing Roy's musings on TV - I think it's great
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on November 17, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
good player in terms of commitment but talent wise ireland and man had far greater
Ireland had far more committed players also!! Y'know like the ones that didn't walk out on their country during a World Cup!
Quote from: screenexile on November 17, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on November 17, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
good player in terms of commitment but talent wise ireland and man had far greater
Ireland had far more committed players also!! Y'know like the ones that didn't walk out on their country during a World Cup!
I think the current posts are about him being the best player Ireland had, I for thought he was outstanding and by himself drag Ireland into that World Cup on his own. But that's just my opinion.
I wanted him to stay at the World Cup also.
Yes he was very head strong, but most winners are. He made his decision at the time and so did Mick
He was an integral part of the WCQ2002 campaign with two brilliant performances and two very good performances.
But you'd have to have those special Roy Keane blinkers on, to think he dragged us there alone.
He wasn't there when Ireland beat Estonia away or held on against Iran in the 2nd leg. Others came to the fore when needed.
It was Matt Holland who secured the away draw against Portugal in a game that was lost.
It wasn't him who scored against Holland away or who saved the crucial point at the end.
I can't count the nr of saves Given made throughout, but those 2 brilliant ones against Iran stand out, with a half paced Roy lost at sea.
I'm fed up with this myth about Roy, that he dragged us to the 2002 WC. It's a crock of dung.
Can someone lock this thread? There's nothing to be gained by going down this road, is there?
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 18, 2011, 11:42:32 AM
Can someone lock this thread? There's nothing to be gained by going down this road, is there?
a little bit of debate on the pros and cons of Roy Keane, what he is, what he was, what he stands for etc... whats wrong with that?, some love him, some loathe him...
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 18, 2011, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 18, 2011, 11:42:32 AM
Can someone lock this thread? There's nothing to be gained by going down this road, is there?
a little bit of debate on the pros and cons of Roy Keane, what he is, what he was, what he stands for etc... whats wrong with that?, some love him, some loathe him...
I'm not one to suppress any discusssion but has this topic not been done to death? Feel free to go on if you must though.
Yeah, lock the thread, we all agreed he was a twat sometime ago, nothing more to be said ;)
The more of Roy Keane on the TV the better, is always worth listening to especially when he is passionate about things. As an individual it never ceases to amaze me how all the Utd. fans back him 100%, effectively chosing this global brand over their own country. Is this what our heroes died for ?? ;) :D
I think I was right initially...
Quote from: spuds on November 18, 2011, 05:16:13 PM
The more of Roy Keane on the TV the better, is always worth listening to especially when he is passionate about things. As an individual it never ceases to amaze me how all the Utd. fans back him 100%, effectively chosing this global brand over their own country. Is this what our heroes died for ?? ;) :D
Who died?
Like he gives a toss what you or the other begrudger's think. An Irish man that done good and still ya's give off. When he played for Ireland the praise was unreal for him. No doubt if ya's were on the board at time he was playing you lot would have been singing his praise.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2011, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: spuds on November 18, 2011, 05:16:13 PM
The more of Roy Keane on the TV the better, is always worth listening to especially when he is passionate about things. As an individual it never ceases to amaze me how all the Utd. fans back him 100%, effectively chosing this global brand over their own country. Is this what our heroes died for ?? ;) :D
Who died?
Like he gives a toss what you or the other begrudger's think. An Irish man that done good and still ya's give off. When he played for Ireland the praise was unreal for him. No doubt if ya's were on the board at time he was playing you lot would have been singing his praise.
Are you totally simple ? Of course we enjoyed his contributions to the Irish soccer team but his parting of the ways with us is hardly something that he can be proud of. I couldn't give a fiddlers what he thinks of me or the people who speak the truth ! ;)
That's all he done spuds, spoke the truth. Get over it. Hatred is a terrible thing. Don't stand up for you're beliefs now. You'd be a c**k if ya did :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2011, 12:58:50 AM
That's all he done spuds, spoke the truth. Get over it. Hatred is a terrible thing. Don't stand up for you're beliefs now. You'd be a c**k if ya did :D
Exactly, that's all he done, talk when it was football time.
could never agree with not playing on the biggest stage for your country but the fai were a complete shambles for the wc..
regardless if he walked out or was kicked out it was the way he addressed the issues and his temper that was the problem.
one of irelands and the red evils best midfielders - shit manager - average pundit
mind you, the more he keeps dividing peoples opinions (like on here/similar) - the more work he will get
I'd like to propose an Irish corollary to Godwin's Law:
QuoteAs an online discussion grows longer, the probability of someone dismissing an opposing point of view as 'begrudgery' approaches 1
Have to agree with spuds on this one I think he has hit the nail on the head.
As a United fan I loved Keane but as an Irish fan I felt he let us and his country down.
I also can't understand how so many people can see no wrong in him.
Quote from: Jonah on November 19, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Have to agree with spuds on this one I think he has hit the nail on the head.
As a United fan I loved Keane but as an Irish fan I felt he let us and his country down.
I also can't understand how so many people can see no wrong in him.
Please show one quote or argument that points to 'no wrong in him'.
he always thought he was too good to play for ireland and it was more of a burden for him,he was up the ass of fergie to much ,then fergie got rid of him when he got to big for his boots.now no one wants him
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on November 19, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
he always thought he was too good to play for ireland and it was more of a burden for him,he was up the ass of fergie to much ,then fergie got rid of him when he got to big for his boots.now no one wants him
Of course stevieg, a well thought out and clever response/post
Quote from: muppet on November 19, 2011, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: Jonah on November 19, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Have to agree with spuds on this one I think he has hit the nail on the head.
As a United fan I loved Keane but as an Irish fan I felt he let us and his country down.
I also can't understand how so many people can see no wrong in him.
Please show one quote or argument that points to 'no wrong in him'.
I give you the musings of a certain E Dunphy;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prep4trYNj4
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r310/ludermor/raw_image_1.jpg)
( it may just be an unfortunate headline position.....)
He's from Cork. Did we really need 48 pages to figure out he's a twat !
Interview on Off the Ball tonight - here's the teaser they put out
http://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/ken-early-meets-roy-keane (http://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/ken-early-meets-roy-keane)
Should be interesting anyway
Quote from: Declan on May 03, 2012, 04:44:31 PM
Interview on Off the Ball tonight - here's the teaser they put out
http://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/ken-early-meets-roy-keane (http://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/ken-early-meets-roy-keane)
Should be interesting anyway
First time agreeing with Roy, what that plank Ken Earley thinks does not matter.
Looks like Roy did walk out and wasn't sent home :)
Saipan revisited
Mick did send you home?
"Mick sent me nowhere. I told him where to go."
That's what he said at his press conference.
"That's not true. Was this the press conference that was done within half an hour of the private meeting with, what's his name, the lad who organised the media? Piss-up in brewery springs to mind, but there you go.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0504/1224315590398.html?via=mr
That's that cleared up then.
Roy Keane is an arsehole of the highest calibre
Who was? For what it's worth in my opinion it was Paul McGrath. (Breaks my heart to say it)
I thought the point of boards like this was the actual discussion of topics, someone posts something, someone else replies. If you want to keep something private between you and LL then how about using the private message function. ;)
Maybe you have a thing for Keano?
I'm not asking you to discuss anything with me, but if you post something on a forum like this then you have to accept that people will reply. If you want to keep things private between yorself and LL then maybe you should say so.
Hard to believe it's 10 years since Roy Keane walked out on Ireland even harder to believe Roy Keane would get 50 pages on GAA forum.
Feck
Longest documented case of priapism on record.
Arse
The continued Irish fixation with Roy Keane as some sort of sports superman is amazing. He was a very good premier league player with a great ability to pass the ball sideways and bring some passion to a Man Utd team of even greater talent. But to say he was the best Irish player of all time can only come from those who never heard of Cantwell, Carey, Giles, Jennings, McGrath, Brady - and certainly Best!!!!!
Even at the height of his career with Man Utd he never once featured in the annual world soccer selection nor get a European footballer of the year nimination.
Perspective please. His current "punditry" is about his level.
Had Roy Keane not walked out on Ireland at the World Cup we wouldn't be having this conversation/thread. Simple fact would be that Keane would have been put up there with the likes of Brady McGrath and co. Even the ABU's would have applauded his ability and leadership skills.
As for someone saying he just passed the ball sideways, then he never watched a lot of football. A quick google check will show he scored as many goals for Ireland than Brady and more that Whelan and Giles.
This a stupid thread for people to stick the boot into someone they were cheering from the rafters when he played in the qualifier against Spain one year.
QuoteThe other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected,
I can't help it. Go on, explain this new information please.
Quote
For anyone to defend Keane in this saga is ridiculous and for him to have no regrets is an absolue disgrace but sure what can you expect from a pig but a grunt!
This.
The End.
Quote from: Leo on May 06, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
Even at the height of his career with Man Utd he never once featured in the annual world soccer selection nor get a European footballer of the year nomination.
Not a single blinkered langar has adressed this point.
I wish everyone would forget about Roy keane,he,s yesterday's news.failed manager that no one cares about anymore.he was the exact person who used to slate pundits when he played and he now writes for a rag of a newspaper and tries to be a pundit.
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 07, 2012, 11:57:51 AM
I wish everyone would forget about Roy keane,he,s yesterday's news.failed manager that no one cares about anymore.he was the exact person who used to slate pundits when he played and he now writes for a rag of a newspaper and tries to be a pundit.
A bit like King Kenny lately ;)
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 07, 2012, 11:57:51 AM
I wish everyone would forget about Roy keane,he,s yesterday's news.failed manager that no one cares about anymore.he was the exact person who used to slate pundits when he played and he now writes for a rag of a newspaper and tries to be a pundit.
Is your username based on the England player and sometimes captain Steven Gerrard?
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
QuoteThe other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected,
I can't help it. Go on, explain this new information please.
As you wish!
Keane described the training pitch as being "...like concrete, pot-holed with loads of loose stones lying around." Given his track record with injuries he was rightfully concerned for his safety. On the Tuesday he described the pitch as partially flooded and partially rock hard. Even Mick McCarthy admitted that the pitch was way below the standard that he had been promised. According to McCarthy he picked Saipan as the venue for light training, relaxation and squad bonding. The serious pre-tournament training would take place in Izumo in Japan where the facilities were top class. McCarthy said in his World Cup Diary [Page 161] that he also picked Saipan because of the widespread popularity of Manchester United in the Far East. For the period of time spent in Saipan Ireland's captain could acclimatise to the heat but he would be spared the unwanted attentions of autograph hunters and fans.
No Goalkeepers - [Page 257-259]
Following a training session on the Tuesday they players ended with a practice game. The goalkeepers had been training separately from the outfield players and had started their training a half hour earlier than the other players. Roy Keane wanted the goalkeepers to take part in the end-of-training game but the coach, Alan Evans, insisted that the keepers were too tired. After the game Keane challenged goalkeeping coach Packie Bonner and goalkeeper Alan Kelly. They had a heated row and Keane and Kelly squared off against each other. Later Kelly and Keane spoke and patched up their differences. Packie Bonner categorised the row with Keane as not as bad as rows that he had had with his kids over homework. On one hand Keane was dismissive of the significance of the row himself; "...if I was to fall out with everyone I'd had an argument with, I'd be talking to nobody." [Page 262]. On the other hand it seems to have been the last straw for Keane. "By the time I got back to the hotel I'd had enough. This wasn't for me." After a taking a shower to cool down Keane met with Mick McCarthy and announced that he was going home.
Summary
Clearly the problems with the training pitch were real and significant. McCarthy had been assured by the by the authorities of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands that the pitch at Oleai Field would be upgraded. It was reported later in the Saipan Times that $20,000 had been spent on improvements. McCarthy and / or the FAI are culpable for not not checking on the state of the pitch in advance of the arrival of the Irish football team. However, according to McCarthy's World Cup Diary [Page 152], he chose Saipan to build a foundation for the more intense training at the state of the art facilities in Izumo in Japan. Keane was aware that the serious training would begin in Izumo. McCarthy said that the Pacific island was chosen for the purposes of acclimatisation to the heat and humidity, and for light training. Ray Treacy, former international and the man who made the Irish World Cup travel arrangement, confirmed that Saipan was chosen for acclimatisation purposes and because the more famous players such as Roy Keane would not be mobbed by fans.
The airport check-in, the row with the journalists in Schipol, the training gear arriving late, the row over the goalkeepers for a training match were either relatively insignificant or not the fault of Mick McCarthy or the FAI. Clearly a mistake was made over the pitch but as Keane's own autobiography amply demonstrates Keane's career is littered with mistakes on and off the field. Twelve red cards and numerous late night brawls and scrapes with the police are testament to that. When taken in the round it is difficult to understand how the small list of issues that Roy Keane outlined in his autobiography could have brought him to the point that he felt that he "had enough". Not one other player in the Irish soccer squad came to the same conclusion, including players that had been involved with the Irish soccer set up for a longer period than Keane.
As we were to find out during Keane's tirade during the Irish team meeting none of these were germane to the real issue which was - Roy Keane's complete and utter disdain for Mick McCarthy.
Quote from: Leo on May 06, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 06, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
Even at the height of his career with Man Utd he never once featured in the annual world soccer selection nor get a European footballer of the year nomination.
Not a single blinkered langar has adressed this point.
So what, he was one of the top three midfielders in the world for about seven years, some donkeys have gotten FOTY nominations.
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
QuoteThe other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected,
I can't help it. Go on, explain this new information please.
As you wish!
Keane described the training pitch as being "...like concrete, pot-holed with loads of loose stones lying around." Given his track record with injuries he was rightfully concerned for his safety. On the Tuesday he described the pitch as partially flooded and partially rock hard. Even Mick McCarthy admitted that the pitch was way below the standard that he had been promised. According to McCarthy he picked Saipan as the venue for light training, relaxation and squad bonding. The serious pre-tournament training would take place in Izumo in Japan where the facilities were top class. McCarthy said in his World Cup Diary [Page 161] that he also picked Saipan because of the widespread popularity of Manchester United in the Far East. For the period of time spent in Saipan Ireland's captain could acclimatise to the heat but he would be spared the unwanted attentions of autograph hunters and fans.
No Goalkeepers - [Page 257-259]
Following a training session on the Tuesday they players ended with a practice game. The goalkeepers had been training separately from the outfield players and had started their training a half hour earlier than the other players. Roy Keane wanted the goalkeepers to take part in the end-of-training game but the coach, Alan Evans, insisted that the keepers were too tired. After the game Keane challenged goalkeeping coach Packie Bonner and goalkeeper Alan Kelly. They had a heated row and Keane and Kelly squared off against each other. Later Kelly and Keane spoke and patched up their differences. Packie Bonner categorised the row with Keane as not as bad as rows that he had had with his kids over homework. On one hand Keane was dismissive of the significance of the row himself; "...if I was to fall out with everyone I'd had an argument with, I'd be talking to nobody." [Page 262]. On the other hand it seems to have been the last straw for Keane. "By the time I got back to the hotel I'd had enough. This wasn't for me." After a taking a shower to cool down Keane met with Mick McCarthy and announced that he was going home.
Summary
Clearly the problems with the training pitch were real and significant. McCarthy had been assured by the by the authorities of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands that the pitch at Oleai Field would be upgraded. It was reported later in the Saipan Times that $20,000 had been spent on improvements. McCarthy and / or the FAI are culpable for not not checking on the state of the pitch in advance of the arrival of the Irish football team. However, according to McCarthy's World Cup Diary [Page 152], he chose Saipan to build a foundation for the more intense training at the state of the art facilities in Izumo in Japan. Keane was aware that the serious training would begin in Izumo. McCarthy said that the Pacific island was chosen for the purposes of acclimatisation to the heat and humidity, and for light training. Ray Treacy, former international and the man who made the Irish World Cup travel arrangement, confirmed that Saipan was chosen for acclimatisation purposes and because the more famous players such as Roy Keane would not be mobbed by fans.
The airport check-in, the row with the journalists in Schipol, the training gear arriving late, the row over the goalkeepers for a training match were either relatively insignificant or not the fault of Mick McCarthy or the FAI. Clearly a mistake was made over the pitch but as Keane's own autobiography amply demonstrates Keane's career is littered with mistakes on and off the field. Twelve red cards and numerous late night brawls and scrapes with the police are testament to that. When taken in the round it is difficult to understand how the small list of issues that Roy Keane outlined in his autobiography could have brought him to the point that he felt that he "had enough". Not one other player in the Irish soccer squad came to the same conclusion, including players that had been involved with the Irish soccer set up for a longer period than Keane.
As we were to find out during Keane's tirade during the Irish team meeting none of these were germane to the real issue which was - Roy Keane's complete and utter disdain for Mick McCarthy.
What book is this from?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
QuoteThe other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected,
I can't help it. Go on, explain this new information please.
As you wish!
Keane described the training pitch as being "...like concrete, pot-holed with loads of loose stones lying around." Given his track record with injuries he was rightfully concerned for his safety. On the Tuesday he described the pitch as partially flooded and partially rock hard. Even Mick McCarthy admitted that the pitch was way below the standard that he had been promised. According to McCarthy he picked Saipan as the venue for light training, relaxation and squad bonding. The serious pre-tournament training would take place in Izumo in Japan where the facilities were top class. McCarthy said in his World Cup Diary [Page 161] that he also picked Saipan because of the widespread popularity of Manchester United in the Far East. For the period of time spent in Saipan Ireland's captain could acclimatise to the heat but he would be spared the unwanted attentions of autograph hunters and fans.
No Goalkeepers - [Page 257-259]
Following a training session on the Tuesday they players ended with a practice game. The goalkeepers had been training separately from the outfield players and had started their training a half hour earlier than the other players. Roy Keane wanted the goalkeepers to take part in the end-of-training game but the coach, Alan Evans, insisted that the keepers were too tired. After the game Keane challenged goalkeeping coach Packie Bonner and goalkeeper Alan Kelly. They had a heated row and Keane and Kelly squared off against each other. Later Kelly and Keane spoke and patched up their differences. Packie Bonner categorised the row with Keane as not as bad as rows that he had had with his kids over homework. On one hand Keane was dismissive of the significance of the row himself; "...if I was to fall out with everyone I'd had an argument with, I'd be talking to nobody." [Page 262]. On the other hand it seems to have been the last straw for Keane. "By the time I got back to the hotel I'd had enough. This wasn't for me." After a taking a shower to cool down Keane met with Mick McCarthy and announced that he was going home.
Summary
Clearly the problems with the training pitch were real and significant. McCarthy had been assured by the by the authorities of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands that the pitch at Oleai Field would be upgraded. It was reported later in the Saipan Times that $20,000 had been spent on improvements. McCarthy and / or the FAI are culpable for not not checking on the state of the pitch in advance of the arrival of the Irish football team. However, according to McCarthy's World Cup Diary [Page 152], he chose Saipan to build a foundation for the more intense training at the state of the art facilities in Izumo in Japan. Keane was aware that the serious training would begin in Izumo. McCarthy said that the Pacific island was chosen for the purposes of acclimatisation to the heat and humidity, and for light training. Ray Treacy, former international and the man who made the Irish World Cup travel arrangement, confirmed that Saipan was chosen for acclimatisation purposes and because the more famous players such as Roy Keane would not be mobbed by fans.
The airport check-in, the row with the journalists in Schipol, the training gear arriving late, the row over the goalkeepers for a training match were either relatively insignificant or not the fault of Mick McCarthy or the FAI. Clearly a mistake was made over the pitch but as Keane's own autobiography amply demonstrates Keane's career is littered with mistakes on and off the field. Twelve red cards and numerous late night brawls and scrapes with the police are testament to that. When taken in the round it is difficult to understand how the small list of issues that Roy Keane outlined in his autobiography could have brought him to the point that he felt that he "had enough". Not one other player in the Irish soccer squad came to the same conclusion, including players that had been involved with the Irish soccer set up for a longer period than Keane.
As we were to find out during Keane's tirade during the Irish team meeting none of these were germane to the real issue which was - Roy Keane's complete and utter disdain for Mick McCarthy.
What book is this from?
The book of revelations! :P
I believe that info came from soccer-ireland.com.
The full article cites keane's autobiography as well as McCarthy's, it also shows tells us that Keane had his mind made up to go home prior to the players meeting.
The man pissed and moaned from he got to the airport until he slunk off and left his fellow countrymen hanging, not one of them backed him and a lot of them stated that Keanes version of events were, to say the least, economical with the truth, in short, he is and was a lying bastard!
Why can't everyone just move on...
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 06, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
QuoteThe other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected,
I can't help it. Go on, explain this new information please.
As you wish!
Keane described the training pitch as being "...like concrete, pot-holed with loads of loose stones lying around." Given his track record with injuries he was rightfully concerned for his safety. On the Tuesday he described the pitch as partially flooded and partially rock hard. Even Mick McCarthy admitted that the pitch was way below the standard that he had been promised. According to McCarthy he picked Saipan as the venue for light training, relaxation and squad bonding. The serious pre-tournament training would take place in Izumo in Japan where the facilities were top class. McCarthy said in his World Cup Diary [Page 161] that he also picked Saipan because of the widespread popularity of Manchester United in the Far East. For the period of time spent in Saipan Ireland's captain could acclimatise to the heat but he would be spared the unwanted attentions of autograph hunters and fans.
No Goalkeepers - [Page 257-259]
Following a training session on the Tuesday they players ended with a practice game. The goalkeepers had been training separately from the outfield players and had started their training a half hour earlier than the other players. Roy Keane wanted the goalkeepers to take part in the end-of-training game but the coach, Alan Evans, insisted that the keepers were too tired. After the game Keane challenged goalkeeping coach Packie Bonner and goalkeeper Alan Kelly. They had a heated row and Keane and Kelly squared off against each other. Later Kelly and Keane spoke and patched up their differences. Packie Bonner categorised the row with Keane as not as bad as rows that he had had with his kids over homework. On one hand Keane was dismissive of the significance of the row himself; "...if I was to fall out with everyone I'd had an argument with, I'd be talking to nobody." [Page 262]. On the other hand it seems to have been the last straw for Keane. "By the time I got back to the hotel I'd had enough. This wasn't for me." After a taking a shower to cool down Keane met with Mick McCarthy and announced that he was going home.
Summary
Clearly the problems with the training pitch were real and significant. McCarthy had been assured by the by the authorities of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands that the pitch at Oleai Field would be upgraded. It was reported later in the Saipan Times that $20,000 had been spent on improvements. McCarthy and / or the FAI are culpable for not not checking on the state of the pitch in advance of the arrival of the Irish football team. However, according to McCarthy's World Cup Diary [Page 152], he chose Saipan to build a foundation for the more intense training at the state of the art facilities in Izumo in Japan. Keane was aware that the serious training would begin in Izumo. McCarthy said that the Pacific island was chosen for the purposes of acclimatisation to the heat and humidity, and for light training. Ray Treacy, former international and the man who made the Irish World Cup travel arrangement, confirmed that Saipan was chosen for acclimatisation purposes and because the more famous players such as Roy Keane would not be mobbed by fans.
The airport check-in, the row with the journalists in Schipol, the training gear arriving late, the row over the goalkeepers for a training match were either relatively insignificant or not the fault of Mick McCarthy or the FAI. Clearly a mistake was made over the pitch but as Keane's own autobiography amply demonstrates Keane's career is littered with mistakes on and off the field. Twelve red cards and numerous late night brawls and scrapes with the police are testament to that. When taken in the round it is difficult to understand how the small list of issues that Roy Keane outlined in his autobiography could have brought him to the point that he felt that he "had enough". Not one other player in the Irish soccer squad came to the same conclusion, including players that had been involved with the Irish soccer set up for a longer period than Keane.
As we were to find out during Keane's tirade during the Irish team meeting none of these were germane to the real issue which was - Roy Keane's complete and utter disdain for Mick McCarthy.
This was your statement: "
he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected"
The piece above is completely biased and leaves out convenient facts, nevertheless it doesn't remotely support your claim of him lying about the equipment which is what I asked you to back up.
I actually looked that site and incredibly you failed to mention this from an interview with McAteer: http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/jason-mcateer-diary.htm (http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/jason-mcateer-diary.htm)
"McAteer seems to suggest that Keane was quite relaxed and makes no mention of Roy complaining about the fact that the training gear hadn't arrived. "Mick stood up at a meeting last night (Saturday) and said he was sorry (about the absent training gear) and that's a god quality in the man because it's not his fault."
Evidently your accusation of Keane lying about the training gear is in fact itself a 'downright lie'.
There is more than one simple side to every story. Ice is never black and white, even to soccer supporters. To blame Keane in isolation is to absolve McCarthy, Ray Treacy and the FAI among others, not to mention the two journalists involved in jealously winding up McCarthy about Keane's interview with Tom Humphries. Like everything else in life the truth tends to involve a bit more thought but like most things some people will always take the easy option, in this case the easy option being it was all Keane's fault.
Move on muppet move on....
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
Think of the children muppet.
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:59:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
Think of the children muppet.
Did you do your run today?
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:59:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
Think of the children muppet.
Did you do your run today?
I'm still hungover from Saturday night.
Had to turn back shortly after starting, knee acting up. First problem I've had, hopefully just a temporary problem.
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 06:11:28 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:59:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
Think of the children muppet.
Did you do your run today?
I'm still hungover from Saturday night.
Had to turn back shortly after starting, knee acting up. First problem I've had, hopefully just a temporary problem.
Did you quit yourself or did someone tell you to quit and go home during the run..?
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
I am not making up lies about it, Keane did a good job of that himself.
Keane wanted to make McCarthy look bad, he made himself look bad and the United muppets, who made up the vast majority of his backers in this whole saga, continue to make excuses for his behaviour and that is ridiculous.
McCarthy manned up, he stayed with the team and he was professional about it, then he went home to a firestorm of shit and he resigned, he, unlike your hero Roy Maurice Keane has some class about him.
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
I am not making up lies about it, Keane did a good job of that himself.
Keane wanted to make McCarthy look bad, he made himself look bad and the United muppets, who made up the vast majority of his backers in this whole saga, continue to make excuses for his behaviour and that is ridiculous.
McCarthy manned up, he stayed with the team and he was professional about it, then he went home to a firestorm if shit and we resigned, he, unlike your hero Roy Maurice Keane has some class about him.
You conveniently left this out of your answer, again: "The other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected,"
I have posted proof from McAteer, quoting an apology from McCarthy about the equipment being late. So why did you state the opposite?
"Roy Keane wanted the goalkeepers to take part in the end-of-training game but the coach, Alan Evans, insisted that the keepers were too tired. After the game Keane challenged goalkeeping coach Packie Bonner and goalkeeper Alan Kelly."
The above is an interesting point to me - where in Keane's remit (other than that of wanting to run the show) should he have had an opinion above the people charged with the team (i.e. the coaches)?
Anyone else think its time to give up on your argument when you start using something Jason McAteer said as evidence!!
Dunno what you're rolling your eyes about - 5 a side "keep away" games without goal keepers (and a much smaller goal target) are as common a training exercise as games with them in any soccer training I've been involved in. Not to mention, the goal of the session wouldn't have been to "have the craic".
In any case, I'm just curious as to why, having gotten an explanation from the coach (which in my mind is sufficient), he felt it something he needed to argue about further. Then again, I'm not coming from the mind of an over paid soccer star (any star, not just Roy Keane). There's getting a say - and then there's wanting to run the show. I get the former in my job, I know my place and I don't push for the latter.
Fair enough, I think you've outlined your stance pretty well - and I'd agree with most of it. I think there are subtle differences between consulting with senior players, and having senior players pull rank and start making demands etc. That's just my thoughts though.
I probably think its also fair to say that the nuclear element of what you describe has, in situations before Siapan, and situations after Siapan - been an element that surrounds Roy Keane, and is capable of going off at any time, with any stimulus. Sure, McCarthy should have, and could have handled it better - but Keano has had a few nuclear incidents in his time and does not appear to be the easiest footballer/pundit/manager managed. You'd be hard pushed to have everything to Roy's satisfaction all the time so as to avoid a nuclear outcome. The whole sorry mess as you rightly say is still going on 10 years later! Its a huge pity his international career, his Manchester career and his few forays into management have ended the way they have.
That's a good point Puck. It always seems to end bad for Roy.
Sure it's not his fault though it's someone else's.
Quote from: AFS on May 07, 2012, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 06:49:19 PM
McCarthy manned up, he stayed with the team and he was professional about it, then he went home to a firestorm if shit and we resigned, he, unlike your hero Roy Maurice Keane has some class about him.
What does this bit mean in English?
Spelling mistakes, that's what I get for not wearing glasses when typing.
Read the article, that will explain it for you, I can't be arsed.
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
I never lied, Ray Treacy met the plane and the plane landed within minutes of when he expected it to, the thing is that he, like the FAI and the hosts never thought the players were going to train at the initial venue as it was a place for rest and relaxation, in fairness the level of communication was, to say the least, horrendous.
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 07, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 07, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Move on muppet move on....
I moved on 10 years ago. I am not the one making up lies about it.
I never lied, Ray Treacy met the plane and the plane landed within minutes of when he expected it to, the thing is that he, like the FAI and the hosts never thought the players were going to train at the initial venue as it was a place for rest and relaxation, in fairness the level of communication was, to say the least, horrendous.
You said this: "The other thing Keane slabbered on about was a downright lie, he claimed that the equipment was late in getting there, it got there within minutes of when it was expected"
Quinn, McCarthy and McAteer have the same story. Are they all downright liars, or just Keane?
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 06, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 06, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
Even at the height of his career with Man Utd he never once featured in the annual world soccer selection nor get a European footballer of the year nomination.
Not a single blinkered langar has adressed this point.
QuoteSo what, he was one of the top three midfielders in the world for about seven years
, some donkeys have gotten FOTY nominations.
By whose standards other than the narrow "Man Utd infallible" or "you'll never beat the Irish" mentality? And if he couldn't beat the donkeys to a nomination doesn't that say it all?
What a horrible **** of a man!!! He has some nerve going over that last night after what he did. Shame on him at least those lads had the balls to represent their Country to the best of their ability. We weren't good enough but Keane should have more sense than to stick the boot in like that. Total ****!
Totally agree, a cutthroat w**ker of the highest degree.
He's detached from reality.
Last night was no fun, but this particular Ireland squad exceeded its potential by qualifying in the first place. Maybe if Roy had have spent his career at Forest he might have realised that for most teams potential doesn't include wining tournaments, no matter how hard you try.
If Carlow conceded an early goal to Kerry, would you not give credit to Kerry?
Or what about if the All Blacks ran in an early try against Scotland?
Last night was awful to watch, but mostly because Spain are so absolutely brilliant. They're so many levels above Ireland in terms of personnel that Ireland would always struggle. But tie that talent together with a tremendous work ethic, genuine tactical appreciation, and years of experience, and Ireland never stood a chance.
There's 10 players in the Spain squad who are worth individually more than Ireland's team last night was worth collectively.
Manner of defeat? Defeat was completely inevitable.
Roy as a tv pundit never thought I'd see the day.they used to be the type of people that got up his nose ,and now he has a column in the sun newspaper which takes it to an all time low.good player in his day but nothing near anything Spain have at present in midfield,he also would have been lost.take that chip off your shoulder
His rant seems more like a personal attack from a man who clearly has an issue with the Irish national team and everyone at the FAI. Whilst it's true that Spain wiped the floor with the Irish, what else did Keane expect. The tone and demeanour Keane exudes reeks of a man with a personal vendetta, he would do well to remember how he treated his country back in 2002.
I think Keanes comments where more directed at the FAI and some of the players. I certainly don't think that the players or fan were happy to be there and for a party.
He was getting at that we need to move forward and the impression that qualifying is enough should be a thing of the past, give it your best shot when you are there. We were blessed to get there and found to be out of our depth. Keane just likes to throw stones nowadays, he has valid points to make but given his agendas in the past they will get different airings from different camps.
Its clear though that only in Ireland can we get widespread praise on an international stage and we can find way to turn it against each other and ridicule ourselves. The amount of "too cool for school" types, particularly GAA players, on twitter who have rowed in behind this to put the boot in is typical.
Quote from: Bingo on June 15, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
I think Keanes comments where more directed at the FAI and some of the players. I certainly don't think that the players or fan were happy to be there and for a party.
He was getting at that we need to move forward and the impression that qualifying is enough should be a thing of the past, give it your best shot when you are there. We were blessed to get there and found to be out of our depth. Keane just likes to throw stones nowadays, he has valid points to make but given his agendas in the past they will get different airings from different camps.
Its clear though that only in Ireland can we get widespread praise on an international stage and we can find way to turn it against each other and ridicule ourselves. The amount of "too cool for school" types, particularly GAA players, on twitter who have rowed in behind this to put the boot in is typical.
This.
Obviously some people get carried away, but I think it is an admirable trait to be able to behave in the manner the Irish supporters did last night, even in the face of a horrific performance. I doubt anyone was happy about the result, and I'm sure there were very few who 'didn't care', it was just a nice moment. Why can't we just leave it at that and take it at face value. The rest of the World certainly does.
Where has anyone said that the FAI or the players were just happy to qualify?
Just because big mouth Keano says its true doesn't make it true.
Ireland are a second rate soccer team, their achievement was getting to the finals. None of us really expected anything more than what we have got so far. Spain are the best team in the world, their bench would have easily beaten the Irish last night. No disrespect to our lads but Duff and Robbie Keane are past their best, you could probably add Given to that list. Of the rest maybe only McClean stands out and Trap doesn't want to start him, maybe he has his reasons. When you have championship standard players and in some cases players with no clubs starting against Alonso, Torres, Fabregas, Buskets et al there is only going to be one winner. But our lads got on with the job, stuck at it and will do so against all the odds against the Italians, because they still have pride in the shirt. Something that Roy Keane never had.
Even Fergie eventually got rid of Keane. Even the English fans don't want to listen to him on TV. Writing for the Sun says it all. He really can't go any lower.
Well... the thing about it is when you start you should be a) Fresh, and b) Concentrating and c) The game hasn't developed a rythmn. So I think it's actually valid to say that you can try to keep things tight early. As the game develops, and gets into a flow, it's more understandable for people to get tired, get sidetracked or whatever. Coming out of the dressing room, you should be at your peak concentration levels.
QuoteObviously some people get carried away, but I think it is an admirable trait to be able to behave in the manner the Irish supporters did last night, even in the face of a horrific performance. I doubt anyone was happy about the result, and I'm sure there were very few who 'didn't care', it was just a nice moment. Why can't we just leave it at that and take it at face value. The rest of the World certainly does
Will you ever stop making sensible posts AZ ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
Well... the thing about it is when you start you should be a) Fresh, and b) Concentrating and c) The game hasn't developed a rythmn. So I think it's actually valid to say that you can try to keep things tight early. As the game develops, and gets into a flow, it's more understandable for people to get tired, get sidetracked or whatever. Coming out of the dressing room, you should be at your peak concentration levels.
Conversely as the game goes on you might get a bit more familiar with your opposite numbers pattern of play, and the tactics they are emplying
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
Well... the thing about it is when you start you should be a) Fresh, and b) Concentrating and c) The game hasn't developed a rythmn. So I think it's actually valid to say that you can try to keep things tight early. As the game develops, and gets into a flow, it's more understandable for people to get tired, get sidetracked or whatever. Coming out of the dressing room, you should be at your peak concentration levels.
I think Ireland were trying to keep things tight. Damn it, we're always trying to keep things tight, that's the Trap way. But we weren't playing Estonia this week.
From this championship the stats are :
Goals from 0-15 minutes - 5 (including both Ireland Games and 2 for Czechs v Greece within 10 minutes. Other goal was in 15th minute.)
Goals from 16-30 mins - 7
Goals from 31-half time - 7
Goals from Half time to 60 minutes - 6
Goals from 61-75 - 8
Goals from 75-end - 5.
Obviously only 14 games played thus far so a small enough sample. 2.78 goals per game.
Keane back talking shite in today's paper.
Will he ever fcuk off and mind his own business.
#tosser
#failedmanager
There's a surprise.
You never see anything wrong with what he says.
I used to be a fervent Keane fan but he's becoming more and more ridiculous. To say that the fan's singing somehow shows that the players aren't hurting enouh about getting hammered makes zero sense. It's just Roy trying to live up to his "I will kill to win, I won't tolerate defeat" image. As someone on here rightly said football has moved on since Roy's playing days and Xavi , Iniesta, Torres and the boys would have made Roy look clumsy too.
Have to say the easiest thing to do at the moment is to put down the Irish team! There is a feeling of twisting the knife with Keane.
Anyway what was Keanes (of the high moral standings) last foray as a manager? Oh yes, Ipswich Town the team that failed to win any of their first 14 league games!
Have to say i do agree with him on the 'You'll never beat the Irish', A really embarrassing slogan and should be abandoned rapid. Even when things were going well for us i found it cringe worthy.
Thank god we sang out the other night with 'The Fields of Athenry'.
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 17, 2012, 03:02:28 PM
I used to be a fervent Keane fan but he's becoming more and more ridiculous. To say that the fan's singing somehow shows that the players aren't hurting enouh about getting hammered makes zero sense. It's just Roy trying to live up to his "I will kill to win, I won't tolerate defeat" image. As someone on here rightly said football has moved on since Roy's playing days and Xavi , Iniesta, Torres and the boys would have made Roy look clumsy too.
I think Keane was very wrong in Saipan but he right now. Personally, I found this singing to be a bit cringe worthy when you consider the absolute shite that they were watching. However, I don't think he was really being critical of the fans more the over-riding attitude that we accept mediocrity. That's only my opinion. Interestingly, in todays tv poll on RTE 70% agreed with Keane.
Unfortunately, I expect Italy to knock 2 or 3 past us as Spain and Croatia have shown them how to beat this Irish team. Put pressure on the up the field and we don't have the skill to deal with it. The pressure will result in us thumping the ball up the field and Italy won't worry too much about that.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
Have to say the easiest thing to do at the moment is to put down the Irish team! There is a feeling of twisting the knife with Keane.
Anyway what was Keanes (of the high moral standings) last foray as a manager? Oh yes, Ipswich Town the team that failed to win any of their first 14 league games!
Have to say i do agree with him on the 'You'll never beat the Irish', A really embarrassing slogan and should be abandoned rapid. Even when things were going well for us i found it cringe worthy.
Thank god we sang out the other night with 'The Fields of Athenry'.
On SSN last week after the croatia game some Irish fans were singing "youll never beat the Irish" and " we are gonna top the group", was cringeworthy and embarrasing and showed some fans are away with the fairies and dont give a shite. Like you im glad we expanded on our songlist and sand FOA, whilst i understand keanes mentality and you only have to look at our dail to see how us Irish accept mediocrity at every turn but that rendition of FOA was immense and just because the useless players couldnt give us an opportuinty for us to show our passion and pride well fck it we did it anyway despite them.
I guess the biggest difference between those at the tOurnament and those here in Ireland, is that they've spent €1,000+ going on their holidays and are determined I had fun.
There's nothing wrong with having fun you know?
Keane's implication, shared by a surprisingly sizeable minority in Ireland, was that this was just a bunch of pissed-up Paddys on the lash, there for 'the craic' and sure if we get a result it will just help the party get into full swing.
This is as inaccurate as it is insulting. Sure people went there for a good time, but first and foremost they were there to follow the team, or to put it more accurately, to follow the country.
It cost people a lot of money to travel to Poland and what they have been treated to on the pitch so far has been two exceptionally disappointing performances.
The Irish team were as abject as the Spanish were awesome but there will be plenty of time to examine what needs to change from a footballing standpoint once the dust settles on the tournament.
But what would Keane have had us do in the last 20 minutes of the Spanish match? Walk out? Boo the team? Smash up the place?
The European Championship is a great opportunity to represent your country – for both players and fans.
The continent, and beyond, are watching; impressions good and bad are made in moments like this.
The Irish fans sang at the end, because that is the Irish way. Such behaviour reflects favourably on us as a nation. Seeing people singing, having a good time, leaving thoughts of aggression and behaviour behind, builds upon reputation that has been cultivated over the years.
Such behaviour has made the people of Ireland one of its greatest tourist attractions and also helps us get the benefit of presumed friendship when we travel abroad before we even open our mouths.
In the end, we sung an Irish song as opposed to an Irish football song.
We weren't singing because we were drunk, we weren't singing 'for the craic,' we weren't even singing for the team that let us down on the night; we were singing because we were proud to be Irish.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lord-gdansk-had-dreams-songs-105709489.html
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
Keane’s implication, shared by a surprisingly sizeable minority in Ireland, was that this was just a bunch of pissed-up Paddys on the lash, there for ‘the craic’ and sure if we get a result it will just help the party get into full swing.
This is as inaccurate as it is insulting. Sure people went there for a good time, but first and foremost they were there to follow the team, or to put it more accurately, to follow the country.
It cost people a lot of money to travel to Poland and what they have been treated to on the pitch so far has been two exceptionally disappointing performances.
The Irish team were as abject as the Spanish were awesome but there will be plenty of time to examine what needs to change from a footballing standpoint once the dust settles on the tournament.
But what would Keane have had us do in the last 20 minutes of the Spanish match? Walk out? Boo the team? Smash up the place?
The European Championship is a great opportunity to represent your country – for both players and fans.
The continent, and beyond, are watching; impressions good and bad are made in moments like this.
The Irish fans sang at the end, because that is the Irish way. Such behaviour reflects favourably on us as a nation. Seeing people singing, having a good time, leaving thoughts of aggression and behaviour behind, builds upon reputation that has been cultivated over the years.
Such behaviour has made the people of Ireland one of its greatest tourist attractions and also helps us get the benefit of presumed friendship when we travel abroad before we even open our mouths.
In the end, we sung an Irish song as opposed to an Irish football song.
We weren’t singing because we were drunk, we weren’t singing ‘for the craic,’ we weren’t even singing for the team that let us down on the night; we were singing because we were proud to be Irish.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lord-gdansk-had-dreams-songs-105709489.html
+1
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
Keane's implication, shared by a surprisingly sizeable minority in Ireland, was that this was just a bunch of pissed-up Paddys on the lash, there for 'the craic' and sure if we get a result it will just help the party get into full swing.
This is as inaccurate as it is insulting. Sure people went there for a good time, but first and foremost they were there to follow the team, or to put it more accurately, to follow the country.
It cost people a lot of money to travel to Poland and what they have been treated to on the pitch so far has been two exceptionally disappointing performances.
The Irish team were as abject as the Spanish were awesome but there will be plenty of time to examine what needs to change from a footballing standpoint once the dust settles on the tournament.
But what would Keane have had us do in the last 20 minutes of the Spanish match? Walk out? Boo the team? Smash up the place?
The European Championship is a great opportunity to represent your country – for both players and fans.
The continent, and beyond, are watching; impressions good and bad are made in moments like this.
The Irish fans sang at the end, because that is the Irish way. Such behaviour reflects favourably on us as a nation. Seeing people singing, having a good time, leaving thoughts of aggression and behaviour behind, builds upon reputation that has been cultivated over the years.
Such behaviour has made the people of Ireland one of its greatest tourist attractions and also helps us get the benefit of presumed friendship when we travel abroad before we even open our mouths.
In the end, we sung an Irish song as opposed to an Irish football song.
We weren't singing because we were drunk, we weren't singing 'for the craic,' we weren't even singing for the team that let us down on the night; we were singing because we were proud to be Irish.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lord-gdansk-had-dreams-songs-105709489.html
Beautiful
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 17, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
I see Joe B**lly had a pop at Roy Keane today, among other things saying that unlike Keane in 2002, at least the Irish players on the pitch against Spain at least went out on to the field to play and represent their country.
First time I ever agreed with Brolly.
A wise Longford man once said....
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 15, 2012, 09:11:14 AM
Roy Keane and his apologists can go and fcuk themselves.
I couldn't agree more.
I honestly cannot believe he has a column in that rag of a newspaper-where are his morals gone.lighten up Roy and you might get the cobh job with your great record
Great to see Roy calling a spade a spade. Ireland team were an embarrassment to the country.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
Great to see Roy calling a spade a spade. Ireland team were an embarrassment to the country.
What country? Sure you aren't from the country this team represents.
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: Gazzler on June 18, 2012, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
Great to see Roy calling a spade a spade. Ireland team were an embarrassment to the country.
What country? Sure you aren't from the country this team represents.
:D
The irony.
(http://shop.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/eire-tony-cascarino-188-orbis-1990-world-cup-football-sticker-48983-p.jpg)
Hardly.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
Great to see Roy calling a spade a spade. Ireland team were an embarrassment to the country.
you are an absolute pollution lad
Jaysus lads - we know some of ye think Roy Keane is Judas personified among other things so why do ye feel the need to comment on his every utterance?
LET IT GO.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 18, 2012, 11:16:58 AM
Jaysus lads - we know some of ye think Roy Keane is Judas personified among other things so why do ye feel the need to comment on his every utterance?
Because they think he's Judas personified
Lads, Roy Keane was no different as a player for Ireland than any of the lads playing now. Saipan aside because everyone involved has a blinkered view and the truth is probably that every one was a little to blame. When a Club invests in you they will call the shots when it comes to you being available to your country and Keane was no different when withdrawing from squads, based on advice from his club. There was some sense in what he was saying about the team and its performances, and the fact that Trapp asked what he had won shows that he hit a nerve. Comments about the fans were a little wide of the mark, but spot on about the players. If some in a green jersey against Spain had been more honest about there fitness then perhaps we would have seen a different outcome. Judging by news reports Trapp blames his players for the defeats and makes no reference to his own mistakes. Time to let Saipan go, recognise Keane for what he is a Great player with flaws, just like Best, McGrath etc...
Quote from: Gazzler on June 18, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: Gazzler on June 18, 2012, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
Great to see Roy calling a spade a spade. Ireland team were an embarrassment to the country.
What country? Sure you aren't from the country this team represents.
:D
The irony.
(http://shop.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/eire-tony-cascarino-188-orbis-1990-world-cup-football-sticker-48983-p.jpg)
Hardly.
Post of the year. ::) ::)
Might be helpful if Roy had a go at fans for spending thousands going to Poland but then can't find tens to go watch the League of Ireland.
LOI fans point finger at Delaney as Monaghan call it a day (http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/tri-0026000-1)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
Keane's implication, shared by a surprisingly sizeable minority in Ireland, was that this was just a bunch of pissed-up Paddys on the lash, there for 'the craic' and sure if we get a result it will just help the party get into full swing.
This is as inaccurate as it is insulting. Sure people went there for a good time, but first and foremost they were there to follow the team, or to put it more accurately, to follow the country.
It cost people a lot of money to travel to Poland and what they have been treated to on the pitch so far has been two exceptionally disappointing performances.
The Irish team were as abject as the Spanish were awesome but there will be plenty of time to examine what needs to change from a footballing standpoint once the dust settles on the tournament.
But what would Keane have had us do in the last 20 minutes of the Spanish match? Walk out? Boo the team? Smash up the place?
The European Championship is a great opportunity to represent your country – for both players and fans.
The continent, and beyond, are watching; impressions good and bad are made in moments like this.
The Irish fans sang at the end, because that is the Irish way. Such behaviour reflects favourably on us as a nation. Seeing people singing, having a good time, leaving thoughts of aggression and behaviour behind, builds upon reputation that has been cultivated over the years.
Such behaviour has made the people of Ireland one of its greatest tourist attractions and also helps us get the benefit of presumed friendship when we travel abroad before we even open our mouths.
In the end, we sung an Irish song as opposed to an Irish football song.
We weren't singing because we were drunk, we weren't singing 'for the craic,' we weren't even singing for the team that let us down on the night; we were singing because we were proud to be Irish.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lord-gdansk-had-dreams-songs-105709489.html
Well put CO. Great stuff.
Quote from: Cold tea on June 18, 2012, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: Gazzler on June 18, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: Gazzler on June 18, 2012, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 18, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
Great to see Roy calling a spade a spade. Ireland team were an embarrassment to the country.
What country? Sure you aren't from the country this team represents.
:D
The irony.
(http://shop.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/eire-tony-cascarino-188-orbis-1990-world-cup-football-sticker-48983-p.jpg)
Hardly.
Post of the year. ::) ::)
Really?
Thanks.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
Keane's implication, shared by a surprisingly sizeable minority in Ireland, was that this was just a bunch of pissed-up Paddys on the lash, there for 'the craic' and sure if we get a result it will just help the party get into full swing.
This is as inaccurate as it is insulting. Sure people went there for a good time, but first and foremost they were there to follow the team, or to put it more accurately, to follow the country.
It cost people a lot of money to travel to Poland and what they have been treated to on the pitch so far has been two exceptionally disappointing performances.
The Irish team were as abject as the Spanish were awesome but there will be plenty of time to examine what needs to change from a footballing standpoint once the dust settles on the tournament.
But what would Keane have had us do in the last 20 minutes of the Spanish match? Walk out? Boo the team? Smash up the place?
The European Championship is a great opportunity to represent your country – for both players and fans.
The continent, and beyond, are watching; impressions good and bad are made in moments like this.
The Irish fans sang at the end, because that is the Irish way. Such behaviour reflects favourably on us as a nation. Seeing people singing, having a good time, leaving thoughts of aggression and behaviour behind, builds upon reputation that has been cultivated over the years.
Such behaviour has made the people of Ireland one of its greatest tourist attractions and also helps us get the benefit of presumed friendship when we travel abroad before we even open our mouths.
In the end, we sung an Irish song as opposed to an Irish football song.
We weren't singing because we were drunk, we weren't singing 'for the craic,' we weren't even singing for the team that let us down on the night; we were singing because we were proud to be Irish.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lord-gdansk-had-dreams-songs-105709489.html
Way to miss the point.
Keane made his comments immediately after watching players give post match interviews in which all they talked about was how good the fans were. More in their line to apologize.
Any mates I know gone out would like the team to do well but don't really care
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 18, 2012, 01:53:30 PM
Judging by news reports Trapp blames his players for the defeats and makes no reference to his own mistakes.
Trapp's comments on the players has been extraordinarily mild (as they should be in fairness). He's made some collective (wishy washy) comments, that they all seemed nervous or losing the early goal affected them, etc, but otherwise he's been biting his tongue.
Our gameplan was, and always has been under Trapp, to keep it tight at the back, don't give possession away in dangerous areas, be a threat from set pieces and on the the break, and frustrate the opposition into making mistakes.
That's poor to watch but its not the main reason we lost. We lost because we gave away stupid goals. Because Shay Given gave the worst 3 performances he's ever given in the green jersey. Dunne gave the worst two performances he's given under Trap (and wasnt great v Italy either). Every significant goal conceded in this tournament was pretty much handed on a plate to the opposition - that's nothing to do with systems of play, or playing the wrong winger or striker. I'm sure Trap would love to say Given and Dunne had shockers and that' s why we looked so bad defensively (O'Shea and Ward are what they are, they werent any worse than normal, its just usually they are covered by Richie and Shay).
Of course struggling to create any chances after we went behind is a different matter and what all the media are focusing on, and we would all love to see us playing a bit more football (though we'll see what that gives in terms of results...)
Roy Keane set to take top job with Kasimpasa in Turkey
Roy Keane will be confirmed as the new manager of Kasimpasa SK today, according to the Turkish club's vice-president.
The former Republic of Ireland captain has been on the managerial market since January last year when he was sacked by Ipswich but few expected him to be heading for the Turkish Super Lig.
However, Hasan Hilmi Oksuz told Turkey's Anadolu Agency yesterday a deal has been agreed with the former Manchester United skipper.
"We reached an agreement with Keane," he said. "He will be in Istanbul tomorrow [Monday] if nothing extraordinary happens. We will benefit from his experiences right into our vision. We believe he can lead this club to the glorious results."
If appointed, Keane will succeed former Fenerbahce player Metin Diyadin, who was sacked by Kasimpasa despite winning promotion from the second tier last year and leading them to second in the league this season.
A 2-0 win over Fenerbahce on Saturday saw them move to within a point of Turkish giants Galatasaray after six games.
Keane, who managed Sunderland to promotion from the Championship in 2007 before eventually standing down in December 2008 halfway through a disappointing second season in the top flight, has recently been more visible as a pundit with ITV.
Roykeaneskasimpasa has a certain ring to it!
Not!
The over-hyped MU-lionised sideways-passer has reached the summit. Move over Dustin, ye langar.
RoyKeanesNottinghamForest
Al Hasawi says he has made contact with "PL Manager and meeting today".Has to be O'Neill,who has turned down this job on numerous occasions,but might find it irresistible this time,if a big war chest is on offer plus the fact that things are not exactly hunky dory at Sunderland.
Obv was never going to be O'Neill but I think it's not a great appointment. Think the guy they sacked can rightly feel pee'ed off to be truthful.
fearon on the ball as usual
Sorry,I interpreted "EPL manager" as currently working EPL manager ;D
Quote from: Leo on October 01, 2012, 11:37:41 PM
The over-hyped MU-lionised sideways-passer has reached the summit. Move over Dustin, ye langar.
How is the best Neil Warnock goalkeeper in England getting on these days?
Let the fun begin....again :D
Quote from: laoislad on November 04, 2013, 01:33:50 PM
Let the fun begin....again :D
Bahumbug to international saccer.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 04, 2013, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 04, 2013, 01:33:50 PM
Let the fun begin....again :D
Bahumbug to international saccer.
It's all a circus expertly managed by the guy who won the second mobile phone licence to distract people from institutionalised corruption. All you have to do is tell people they are great fans and they'll forget everything else.
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"Any one of you who doesn't go out there and perform their absolute best can have a chat to Roy at half time" - Martin O'Neill's first pre-match talk on charge of Ireland.
See this bouncing round FB, had a wee laugh at it,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 07, 2013, 08:08:46 PM
"Any one of you who doesn't go out there and perform their absolute best can have a chat to Roy at half time" - Martin O'Neill's first pre-match talk on charge of Ireland.
See this bouncing round FB, had a wee laugh at it,
I like it. ;D
Found this wee website
Naturally it's a bit biased but still an interesting read though I've only started it
http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm (http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm)
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 08, 2013, 01:51:45 PM
Found this wee website
Naturally it's a bit biased but still an interesting read though I've only started it
http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm (http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm)
No such thing as an unbiased account of what went on there.
The great Roy about to walk out on his country....again?
Quote from: laoislad on May 29, 2014, 07:39:20 PM
The great Roy about to walk out on his country....again?
At least you can go back supporting the boys in green again...(afterall, you did say that you couldn't wait until they got hammered by some team when Roy was in 'charge'. ;)
Quote from: laoislad on May 29, 2014, 07:39:20 PM
The great Roy about to walk out on his country....again?
Roy the story that keeps on giving ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2014, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 29, 2014, 07:39:20 PM
The great Roy about to walk out on his country....again?
At least you can go back supporting the boys in green again...(afterall, you did say that you couldn't wait until they got hammered by some team when Roy was in 'charge'. ;)
No I didn't.
Had to blow the dust off this one :P
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Celtic is the perfect club for Keane and his massive ego.
He is absolutely guaranteed to win the league every season for the foreseeable future.
I think he will be found out in the Champions League to be honest but he will have plenty of league and cup titles on his CV when the inevitable day comes that he walks out of the club when a better offer comes along.
Yes after the disaster at Ipswich and mediocre spell at Sunderland where some poor signings were made with decent funds available, this is a good chance for him to redeem himself and have some trophies on the CV. I thought Celtic would have looked elsewere, was talk of Michael Laurdrup with Morten Wieghorst as assistant.
Hope Keane does well anyway should he get the job
He can f**k off. I want him absolutely nowhere near Celtic. Will only get the job because of his relationship with Desmond
w**ker
Oh la la
Why I am a tosser?
You must be a gloryhunter. Can't be saying anything bad about the great Roy Keane now. Even though he walked out on his country
Quote from: Apparently so on May 29, 2014, 10:46:34 PM
He can f**k off. I want him absolutely nowhere near Celtic. Will only get the job because of his relationship with Desmond
w**ker
What are you trying to say?
What does it matter who manages Celtic. Until Rangers return, Celtic are nothing really.
The sensible thing for Roy Keane to do here would be to turn down the biggest managerial job he could possibly hope for, with a pretty big club, guaranteed to play in the CL year in year out so he can continue his part time job as Irish team assistant. It's so obvious!
People need to stop getting so emotional about 12 years ago. And if they can't help being emotional maybe they should do a bit of research and read some facts.
Quote from: laoislad on May 29, 2014, 07:39:20 PM
The great Roy about to walk out on his country....again?
Just like the supporters really.They have walked too.Only 15 thousand at the game on Sunday last.
Where were the self titled best fans in the world?YBIG me bo!!1x.
Mmm manage a team who are the strongest in their league and will play in the Champions League compared to being number 2 over a little statelet of 26 counties who will never win anything.
Decisions decisions.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Mmm manage a team who are the strongest in their league and will play in the Champions League compared to being number 2 over a little statelet of 26 counties who will never win anything.
Decisions decisions.
Also known as his country.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Mmm manage a team who are the strongest in their league and will play in the Champions League compared to being number 2 over a little statelet of 26 counties who will never win anything.
Decisions decisions.
Are we still a dominion? I thought that fool John A Costello was suppose to repeal the External Relations Act beyond in Canada. Feckin blueshirts can do anything right >:(
Is the emergency over yet? ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 30, 2014, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Mmm manage a team who are the strongest in their league and will play in the Champions League compared to being number 2 over a little statelet of 26 counties who will never win anything.
Decisions decisions.
Also known as his country.
That he has done way more than all but a very few for. He owes us nothing and frankly he'd be some tit if he turned this down out of some faux national pride. FFS.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 30, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 30, 2014, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Mmm manage a team who are the strongest in their league and will play in the Champions League compared to being number 2 over a little statelet of 26 counties who will never win anything.
Decisions decisions.
Also known as his country.
That he has done way more than all but a very few for. He owes us nothing and frankly he'd be some tit if he turned this down out of some faux national pride. FFS.
I never said that at all. Reel in your horns. EC was talking about a 26 county statelet. I don't think Keane would be impressed with that himself.
As for the job, doesn't bother me either way. I think for Keane himself it's a good opportunity, and I'm sure he'll take it.
I misread your intention. Apologies.
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 30, 2014, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 30, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Mmm manage a team who are the strongest in their league and will play in the Champions League compared to being number 2 over a little statelet of 26 counties who will never win anything.
Decisions decisions.
Are we still a dominion? I thought that fool John A Costello was suppose to repeal the External Relations Act beyond in Canada. Feckin blueshirts can do anything right >:(
Is the emergency over yet? ;D
;D
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 30, 2014, 11:49:29 AM
I misread your intention. Apologies.
No worries. The Roy Keane subject still evokes strong feelings :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 30, 2014, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 30, 2014, 11:49:29 AM
I misread your intention. Apologies.
No worries. The Roy Keane subject still evokes strong feelings :)
No matter what the guy does he get it in the neck. It doesn't bother him so I suppose I should have more cop on!
Just thought how this might go down with one of the boards more high profile Celtic supporters. LMAO. ;D
Every silver lining has a cloud :)
Oh dear. The antiroys will not be best pleased.
The bookies are laughing. A lot of money lost on Roy backers.
Great news.
Was at the game on Saturday night. Much improved performance..Pilkington was very good, Hendrick and Meyler have much more about them than Whelan..
Ward is a worry though. O Neil rates him, started him every game but is a serious liability. Thought Pearce was decent, ahead of St Ledger now, still behind Clark I'd reckon.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 02, 2014, 02:15:44 PM
Great news.
Was at the game on Saturday night. Much improved performance..Pilkington was very good, Hendrick and Meyler have much more about them than Whelan..
Ward is a worry though. O Neil rates him, started him every game but is a serious liability. Thought Pearce was decent, ahead of St Ledger now, still behind Clark I'd reckon.
Completely agree
Hendrick was saying that he is learning a lot from Roy - prev stated by others
McCarthy still to come back into that midfield as well
Will mon go to the 352 formation that marked Celtic at their best under the astute Derry man!
It served him and Celtic well then and losing in the middle has been our problem for a few years
With Meyer McCarthy hendrick we have wonderful wingers such as Brady mcgeady pilkington McLean and maybe moving Coleman out of defense where he is a bit suspect to be a winger or wingback
Back three of oshea flanked by Clarke / Wilson and pearse/Duffy etc
Up front we have a choice of two strikers or one striker and one just behind
Will be interesting and we have decent young talent!
Sky sources understand Roy Keane is in talks to become assistant manager at Premier League club Aston Villa. http://tinyurl.com/noec6nc
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 02, 2014, 11:28:12 PM
Sky sources understand Roy Keane is in talks to become assistant manager at Premier League club Aston Villa. http://tinyurl.com/noec6nc
Here we go round the mulberry bush.
So Roy gets to work in the PL and remain as Ireland coach. Everyone is a winner!! :D
Quote from: EC Unique on June 03, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
So Roy gets to work in the PL and remain as Ireland coach. Everyone is a winner!! :D
Except Paul Lambert :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 03, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 03, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
So Roy gets to work in the PL and remain as Ireland coach. Everyone is a winner!! :D
Except Paul Lambert :D
Is Keane not going in as No.2?
Do you seriously think Keane will just be in there as a no.2 to Lambert? Very uncomfortable situation, exactly like Muelenstein coming in to be no.2 under Jol at Fulham. Jol was out within a matter of weeks.
Quote from: Hotshot Hamish on June 03, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 03, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 03, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
So Roy gets to work in the PL and remain as Ireland coach. Everyone is a winner!! :D
Except Paul Lambert :D
Is Keane not going in as No.2?
He is. But how many poor results will it take before the Keano chants start at Villa Park?
As much as I love Roy Keane the man will never be a good manager. If Villa take him on and sack Lambert God help them.
I see Keano isn't content making tea for Martin O'Neill he now wants to make it for Paul Lambert
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
I see Keano isn't content making tea for Martin O'Neill he now wants to make it for Paul Lambert
Some pay check all the same without the hassle, easy street
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/roy-keane-i-was-in-court-last-week-because-i-apparently-glare-at-people-31331189.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/roy-keane-i-was-in-court-last-week-because-i-apparently-glare-at-people-31331189.html)