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I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

So if the Hamas operatives who perpetrated the atrocities on 10/07 are hiding out in a refugee camp are they not responsible for the inevitable bombardment that's sure to follow?

Yeh they are hiding in refugee camps, under hospitals and in churches. So if those are blown up then its at least partially Hamas's fault right - like no where should be safe. Tell me, if a Hamas militant is being treated in hospital, is it his fault if the hospital is bombed, are casualties on both sides entitled to medical treatment? Would you be ok with the Brits bombing the Falls road with hi-tech weapons from the sky during the troubles too. You can spot the man who listens to Fox news all day a mile away.

These equivalences are mad. Which event during the Troubles would you say compares to what happened on October 7th?

It's true, I can't think of any event in the troubles where the British machined gunned their own civilians in such numbers in order to kill ira volunteers. Mad alright.

I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

So if the Hamas operatives who perpetrated the atrocities on 10/07 are hiding out in a refugee camp are they not responsible for the inevitable bombardment that's sure to follow?

Yeh they are hiding in refugee camps, under hospitals and in churches. So if those are blown up then its at least partially Hamas's fault right - like no where should be safe. Tell me, if a Hamas militant is being treated in hospital, is it his fault if the hospital is bombed, are casualties on both sides entitled to medical treatment? Would you be ok with the Brits bombing the Falls road with hi-tech weapons from the sky during the troubles too. You can spot the man who listens to Fox news all day a mile away.

Or Biden could be a man, explain the slaughter and why America won't stand for it. Appeal to moderate sensible people. The truth is he's in the pocket of the same people as Trump. See 2 white sheep analogy above.

If I were in your shoes I'd get my family out of that shithole.

And I'm not shouting.

Western standards laid bare for all to see:

I'm not sure the term "Western" is appropriate, every west European country and Canada, Australia and New Zealand support the ICC.

The USA don't.

Then the post should have referred to the USA and not to "Western".

While your post shouldn't have made the claim that "every western country" supports the ICC.

The point I was making is that the "western" world were up and arms and rightly so when Russia invaded Ukraine, sanctions, diplomats getting banned etc etc, but when Israel starts slaughtering the Palestinians on a scale that would make Pol Pot blush, there's none of the same concern.

Is there any nuance at all between the two conflicts or do you reckon they're directly comparable?

The direct comparison is that innocent women and children are being killed in both.

what other nuance do you need?

Intentionally targeted. I don't believe the Russians are Intentionally starving Ukraine yet or targeting hospitals and churches so I suppose they're not quite at the Israeli level of barbarism yet

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/patients-evacuated-after-gaza-hospital-struck-in-israeli-missile-attack/a1921804259.html

Ireland's full mate - https://x.com/Cobratate/status/1792969332483342412

As if we haven't enough dickheads in the country

I must have been off school the day the covered the part where the Men of 1916 anally raped the teenagers at a music festival


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141789

I must have been off school the day the covered the part where the Men of 1916 anally raped the teenagers at a music festival


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141789

Where did you get the "anal" description from. I don't think it's in the article and I don't recall that accusation being made anywhere before.

IF there was rape then there is of course no possible justification of that. But the evidence is flimsy at best.

Israel have recall that horrible hoor of an ambassador, good riddance. They've also threatened more "severe consequences" for us, Norway and Spain. Sounds like a threat to me.

I'm sure people are going to go ballistic (no pun intended) when I ask this question, but what exactly did Hamas hope to accomplish by the attacks on October 7th?

Was it a revenge attack for decades of oppression on the Palestinians?

Was it an attempt to start a war?

Was it an attempt to derail the normalization of relations between Israel and other Muslim Countries?

Netanyahu was like Tyson Fury on Saturday night and would likely have been removed from office. Why did they give him this lifeline ?

On a scale of 1-10 how did they think Israel would respond ? (1 being do nothing, 10 being dropping a nuke)

All of the above.

If you're living from one aid drop to the next, being picked off and slaughtered day and daily by the IDF in both the Gaza strip and even still in the West Bank you've nothing to lose.

Did it play into Netanyahu and his ultra right wing partners in government hands? To an extent but it may well suit the Palestinians in the longer term with how Netanyahu has went on a genocidal rampage in the Gaza strip.

Those who have turned a blind eye to the atrocities carried out by the IDF for decades can no longer sit by and watch and now I think we're seeing the start of something better for Palestine as there's no way Netanyahu and the Israelis can be seen to have benefited from this genocide.
The Us can no longer be seen to be neutral in this conversation as it never was.

Couldnt all Whiteys questions be similarly asked of Irish rebellions. We were a small, poorly armed peasantry resisting the biggest empire in the world. Could we not ask why did our crazy ancestors rebel in 1641, 1798, Robert Emmett, 1916, Tan War, Troubles. Sure didnt we know what would come to us?

Some good if belated news

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-to-officially-recognise-state-of-palestine/a128328868.html

[No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democrac]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.

I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.

But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.

Biden has to support Israeli genocide because..... He has to. That's brilliant. Thanks for explaining the complex American political landscape.

I think you support democrats as they are "your team" and as a result you are making excuses for a Genocide supporting piece of shit.

There is, as far as I'm aware, no evidence of this gang rape/mass rape thing. Its also pretty much accepted that Israel shot up a large amount of their own people. If they gave a damn about hostages they would gave negotiated their release, instead they carpet bombed civilian areas. You need to think of Israel as Nazis to understand the evil you are dealing with here.

I have no doubt that Israel wilfully murder and starve Palestinians - it's clear from their actions.

Though hasn't the ICC also accepted that Hamas fighters used sexual violence? I'd imagine they must have seen evidence before stating such.

Maybe they have, they've certainly said Hamas has a case to answer on it. But I've not seen any evidence from reliable sources and in fact some of the initial witnesses stating this were shown to be very unreliable. I would have thought it surely would've been out there for all to see if evidence was available. A bit like the weapons and tunnels in hospitals, none of it ever surfaced.

[No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democrac]

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?

And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).

If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Why does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.

Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.

After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.

As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.

I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.

Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.

How do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.

Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.

Once they started he had to take a side

Utter bollocks.

There is, as far as I'm aware, no evidence of this gang rape/mass rape thing. Its also pretty much accepted that Israel shot up a large amount of their own people. If they gave a damn about hostages they would gave negotiated their release, instead they carpet bombed civilian areas. You need to think of Israel as Nazis to understand the evil you are dealing with here.