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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 11, 2020, 09:56:04 PM »
The media/FF/FG obviously did a poor job as Shinners went from 11% of the vote in May 2019 to 24% in Feb 2020.
Meanwhile Angelo comes straight from whataboutry bot school making allegations about something called "free state government".

Yes, that is partially true. When SF started polling very strongly, the big guns were rolled out. Quinn case was thrown out etc. The Media, like most of us, were caught napping by the resurgence in the SF vote. I actually think they probably did do some damage as if they played fair SF could have done even better. The other thing of course was that SF were caught themselves and didnt field enough candidates.

But none of that is really the point I am making, the point is that the mainstream media in this country is bought and they are not independent and no better than Fox news in the states. Especially that Indo rag.
I thought the unusual element about the election campaign was that as the polls rose for Sinn Fein, the noise from FF & FG rose in response, but the more they railed in the media, the more the polls rose even higher for SF. The usual throw mud at Sinn Fein tactic, traditionally a target as easy to hit as a barn door, backfired. It became somewhat comical when it was pointed out to FF and FG that the desired result was not being achieved and clearly backfiring, yet they continued to throw mud.

I've said it for a long time, let SF take the reins, stand back and watch the disaster unfold. No British govt or public services to prop them up

Says the man who votes fir a party that are Sinn Fein minus abortion. Lol

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 10, 2020, 02:24:01 PM »
Yes Mary Lou would have run more candidates, had the largest party and formed the best government in the history of the Irish state only for the establishment/media/FF/FG*

*Delete as applicable

The parallels with Donald Trump's strategy are uncanny.

Tell me where I said that you complete moron. No wonder the SDLP dont know what way is up with eejits like you in their midst

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:55:19 AM »
The media/FF/FG obviously did a poor job as Shinners went from 11% of the vote in May 2019 to 24% in Feb 2020.
Meanwhile Angelo comes straight from whataboutry bot school making allegations about something called "free state government".

Yes, that is partially true. When SF started polling very strongly, the big guns were rolled out. Quinn case was thrown out etc. The Media, like most of us, were caught napping by the resurgence in the SF vote. I actually think they probably did do some damage as if they played fair SF could have done even better. The other thing of course was that SF were caught themselves and didnt field enough candidates.

But none of that is really the point I am making, the point is that the mainstream media in this country is bought and they are not independent and no better than Fox news in the states. Especially that Indo rag.

That's exactly what a certain Mr Donald Trump says about the American media. It's like saying how dare they scrutinise us. How dare they print these bad headlines. How dare they bring up the involvement of SF and IRA members in Murders. How dare they challenge our sanitised imagine! FAKE NEWS!

Accusses me of being like Donald Trump and says "Fake News" at the end of his post. Conversation over, not enough time in the world to debate with morons.

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General discussion / Re: Holidays
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:16:16 AM »
During Lockdown I seen a high proportion of people being very aware and sensible, that was the reason why we have a very low proportion of people with out the virus and death rate very low also!

Have a bitta faith in people to do the right thing, those who have should be praised for it and there's no doubt they will continue to be cautious

Milltown - I can only say what I see and that is a total breakdown of the social distancing rules. It was probably inevitable when we started relaxing laws. But you cannot rely on people to do the right thing, you have to enforce the right thing. If that wasnt the case we wouldnt bother have drink driving or speed check points.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:14:27 AM »
The media/FF/FG obviously did a poor job as Shinners went from 11% of the vote in May 2019 to 24% in Feb 2020.
Meanwhile Angelo comes straight from whataboutry bot school making allegations about something called "free state government".

Yes, that is partially true. When SF started polling very strongly, the big guns were rolled out. Quinn case was thrown out etc. The Media, like most of us, were caught napping by the resurgence in the SF vote. I actually think they probably did do some damage as if they played fair SF could have done even better. The other thing of course was that SF were caught themselves and didnt field enough candidates.

But none of that is really the point I am making, the point is that the mainstream media in this country is bought and they are not independent and no better than Fox news in the states. Especially that Indo rag.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:10:37 AM »
True but if a gang of savage murderous thugs hadn't broken every bone in the chap's body in the process of murdering him with crowbars..... 
Mrs Quinn was more than glad of the opportunity to highlight what the savage thugs did to her son.

The gang of thugs (exactly what they are) that carried out the murder werent standing for election 13 years later in the south. It was a cynical attempt to influence the election. They might as well have dragged up Haugheys gun running. The point is, you have to admit this was a cynical media attempt to influence the election result.

But those with vital information on the murder are in office for SF

If that is true (I doubt it is) they were in office in 2017 and 2018 and 2019. Why wait until the middle of a general election? Coincidence was it?

No coincidence but unresolved political scandals often become topical again at election time.  This sort of thing has been going on for my lifetime. The comings and goings of the 1970 Arms Trial used bother Charlie Haughey in elections campaigns in the 80s.

I dont recall it being brought up by media in such a sustained manner. Not the only example I could give you either and I think you know that full well.

Briege Quinn and the Quinn family have constantly and consistently fought to keep Paul's murder in the public eye and to suggest it has coincidence or it has been used to political point score is a slur on the Quinns. It is the modus operandi of SF and the Provo family. Deflect, start a whispering campaign, link the person murdered with crime and criminality, anything to deflect from what they did. SF and the IRA have a long, long, list of absolutely heinous crimes against the very communities they say that they protect. People would do well to remember this when they vote for them. 
Your slur on the Quinn family is absolutely disgraceful and you should retract it. They weren't and aren't being used.

There was no slur on them to say they were used and you'd have to be a complete moron to think i put any slur on them

It was a cynical attempt to influence the election. They might as well have dragged up Haugheys gun running. The point is, you have to admit this was a cynical media attempt to influence the election result

Here you clearly state that the media was using Paul Quinn's murder to influence the election. That is straight out the provo playbook. The establishment are against us!
Paul Quinn was murdered by the IRA and Conor Murphy said it was criminality and criminals who fell out, when it wasn't. The Quinn's have consistently fought for justice, similar to the McCartney sisters and the whispering campaign, intimidation and lies that have been spread about both families is absolutely disgraceful.
SF have their own set of rules that they play by.

The point I was making is that this was dragged up in the middle of an election after SF started polling strongly. The crime happened in 2007, 13 years earlier. The Southern Media for a decade barely reported on it. Then suddenly they started - have you the intelligence to ask yourself why that is?

I know the Quinns and others, on both sides I might add, continue to search for justice. But do you think it was some sort of incredible coincidence that the Quinns got a breakthrough with the Southern media in the middle of a general election after a decade of getting nowhere. And just so you can stop insinuating I am an apologist for the crime itself, the crime was carried out by the scum of the earth in a cowardly way and I hope those responsible are found and put in jail to rot for the rest of their lives. But yes, the media connived with FF/FG to drag up an old case to try to effect the election result, thats exactly what I am saying.

Because it is not true. SF are peddling this line about the media conniving with FF/FG to sully their good name. It's Donald Trumpesque it really is. The idea that it was only brought up at election time is wrong.
Breege Quinn has done 100s of interview since 2007 trying get justice for her son.
Also this bullshit SF line that the Quinns and others on both sides continue to search for justice... SF know exactly who with in the IRA carried out that murder, just like Deirdre Hegarty knew who killed Robert McCartney but never helped the investigation. Hegarty was in the bar.. and then denied that she was.. a man was murdered..a father.. murdered like. He didn't get bate up or a black eye..he was actually murdered and she denied being on the premises. Come on. For God's sake this isn't acceptable of a party of government.

You are so blinded by hatred of SF you cant even see I am not even talking about the same thing you are. I assume you are north of the border too because you have to be blind or stupid to not see how the media in the south tried to influence the election.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 10, 2020, 10:09:16 AM »
True but if a gang of savage murderous thugs hadn't broken every bone in the chap's body in the process of murdering him with crowbars..... 
Mrs Quinn was more than glad of the opportunity to highlight what the savage thugs did to her son.

The gang of thugs (exactly what they are) that carried out the murder werent standing for election 13 years later in the south. It was a cynical attempt to influence the election. They might as well have dragged up Haugheys gun running. The point is, you have to admit this was a cynical media attempt to influence the election result.

But those with vital information on the murder are in office for SF

If that is true (I doubt it is) they were in office in 2017 and 2018 and 2019. Why wait until the middle of a general election? Coincidence was it?

No coincidence but unresolved political scandals often become topical again at election time.  This sort of thing has been going on for my lifetime. The comings and goings of the 1970 Arms Trial used bother Charlie Haughey in elections campaigns in the 80s.

I dont recall it being brought up by media in such a sustained manner. Not the only example I could give you either and I think you know that full well.

Briege Quinn and the Quinn family have constantly and consistently fought to keep Paul's murder in the public eye and to suggest it has coincidence or it has been used to political point score is a slur on the Quinns. It is the modus operandi of SF and the Provo family. Deflect, start a whispering campaign, link the person murdered with crime and criminality, anything to deflect from what they did. SF and the IRA have a long, long, list of absolutely heinous crimes against the very communities they say that they protect. People would do well to remember this when they vote for them. 
Your slur on the Quinn family is absolutely disgraceful and you should retract it. They weren't and aren't being used.

There was no slur on them to say they were used and you'd have to be a complete moron to think i put any slur on them

It was a cynical attempt to influence the election. They might as well have dragged up Haugheys gun running. The point is, you have to admit this was a cynical media attempt to influence the election result

Here you clearly state that the media was using Paul Quinn's murder to influence the election. That is straight out the provo playbook. The establishment are against us!
Paul Quinn was murdered by the IRA and Conor Murphy said it was criminality and criminals who fell out, when it wasn't. The Quinn's have consistently fought for justice, similar to the McCartney sisters and the whispering campaign, intimidation and lies that have been spread about both families is absolutely disgraceful.
SF have their own set of rules that they play by.

The point I was making is that this was dragged up in the middle of an election after SF started polling strongly. The crime happened in 2007, 13 years earlier. The Southern Media for a decade barely reported on it. Then suddenly they started - have you the intelligence to ask yourself why that is?

I know the Quinns and others, on both sides I might add, continue to search for justice. But do you think it was some sort of incredible coincidence that the Quinns got a breakthrough with the Southern media in the middle of a general election after a decade of getting nowhere. And just so you can stop insinuating I am an apologist for the crime itself, the crime was carried out by the scum of the earth in a cowardly way and I hope those responsible are found and put in jail to rot for the rest of their lives. But yes, the media connived with FF/FG to drag up an old case to try to effect the election result, thats exactly what I am saying.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 10, 2020, 10:03:06 AM »
They have the legal framework to do so. We do not.

Bar closing down the airports. Non issue.

So you reckon an Irish government cannot close their own airports due to their own laws. I am sorry, I simply do not accept that and I dont think any right minded person can accept that. In times of crisis governments lead, they dont get led.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: July 10, 2020, 09:28:35 AM »
A flight landed in Dublin airport this morning from Dallas.

Is there anyone else uneasy that Americans are free to visit Ireland at the minute?
I understand it will be driven by "our special relationship" with the US, but it does seem like this could lead to the re-introduction of greater instances of the virus.

If we don't prevent US flights landing here, then what is the point of blocking flights from any country at the minute?

You can't prevent movement of people, unless you live in a dictatorship. Hence why airports will always remain open.

Eh, yes you can and you dont have to live in a dictatorship. Its crazy that flights like the above are coming in unless they are bringing Irish people home who will self isolate for 2 weeks. Tourists is absolutely crazy.

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General discussion / Re: Holidays
« on: July 10, 2020, 09:27:00 AM »
It's up to the individual.

Personally, my take is that until we are sure we are on top of this virus on this island, no one should be taking the luxury of a holiday abroad. But that's just my take, as the virus is very much in the infancy of being understood. The opposite view is just as valid in other eyes.

I want my mother to enjoy her remaining years not shielding. She is and will continue to until she's sure she won't be in danger. Again, that's her call. For that to happen I want airports under serious scrutiny with testing but sure even that is unreliable.

Everyone's view on this is valid and no one is correct. You just make a call and judge it on your instinct.

I don't buy into the whole...i've worked hard for this. My da worked 20 times as hard as I did and never felt the need for a foreign holiday. And there are many who feel the opposite...relaxing in the sun is a nice reward.

But again, no one is correct in their stance on this. You have a view, that's it.

However, anyone who uses the word staycation should be shot.

I cant agree with that. We cannot leave the plight of a world wide pandemic to individuals because it only takes bad decisions by a few % of the people to have a huge impact on the rest. The government are tasked with making these calls. At the moment their policies are full of contradictions and the effect is that what we are seeing is individuals making decisions as there is not a lot of clarity. Governments need to step up and do what they are paid to do. I suppose I would give them a small bit of leeway as the science seems completely all over the place at the moment.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 09, 2020, 11:39:12 PM »
True but if a gang of savage murderous thugs hadn't broken every bone in the chap's body in the process of murdering him with crowbars..... 
Mrs Quinn was more than glad of the opportunity to highlight what the savage thugs did to her son.

The gang of thugs (exactly what they are) that carried out the murder werent standing for election 13 years later in the south. It was a cynical attempt to influence the election. They might as well have dragged up Haugheys gun running. The point is, you have to admit this was a cynical media attempt to influence the election result.

But those with vital information on the murder are in office for SF

If that is true (I doubt it is) they were in office in 2017 and 2018 and 2019. Why wait until the middle of a general election? Coincidence was it?

No coincidence but unresolved political scandals often become topical again at election time.  This sort of thing has been going on for my lifetime. The comings and goings of the 1970 Arms Trial used bother Charlie Haughey in elections campaigns in the 80s.

I dont recall it being brought up by media in such a sustained manner. Not the only example I could give you either and I think you know that full well.

Briege Quinn and the Quinn family have constantly and consistently fought to keep Paul's murder in the public eye and to suggest it has coincidence or it has been used to political point score is a slur on the Quinns. It is the modus operandi of SF and the Provo family. Deflect, start a whispering campaign, link the person murdered with crime and criminality, anything to deflect from what they did. SF and the IRA have a long, long, list of absolutely heinous crimes against the very communities they say that they protect. People would do well to remember this when they vote for them. 
Your slur on the Quinn family is absolutely disgraceful and you should retract it. They weren't and aren't being used.

There was no slur on them to say they were used and you'd have to be a complete moron to think i put any slur on them

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General discussion / Re: Holidays
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:25:51 PM »
Whats the big deal on going on holidays? If the plane im due to go on is going il be on it!!
Might i add i cant bloody wait  8)

Thats no problem as long as you don't come back

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:15:07 PM »
So it appears a jealous FF junior minister leaked a story to the media about a senior FF minister and a FF activist is willing to swear on the bible he heard this and it gets no mainstream media coverage???

Of course not. It does not involved SF! I'm no SF supporter, but that's the way it goes!

I agree that's the way it goes, but amazingly there are quite a few who deny that is the case and its a fair playing field.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 09, 2020, 09:04:43 PM »
So it appears a jealous FF junior minister leaked a story to the media about a senior FF minister and a FF activist is willing to swear on the bible he heard this and it gets no mainstream media coverage???

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: July 09, 2020, 08:34:13 PM »
True but if a gang of savage murderous thugs hadn't broken every bone in the chap's body in the process of murdering him with crowbars..... 
Mrs Quinn was more than glad of the opportunity to highlight what the savage thugs did to her son.

The gang of thugs (exactly what they are) that carried out the murder werent standing for election 13 years later in the south. It was a cynical attempt to influence the election. They might as well have dragged up Haugheys gun running. The point is, you have to admit this was a cynical media attempt to influence the election result.

But those with vital information on the murder are in office for SF

If that is true (I doubt it is) they were in office in 2017 and 2018 and 2019. Why wait until the middle of a general election? Coincidence was it?

No coincidence but unresolved political scandals often become topical again at election time.  This sort of thing has been going on for my lifetime. The comings and goings of the 1970 Arms Trial used bother Charlie Haughey in elections campaigns in the 80s.

I dont recall it being brought up by media in such a sustained manner. Not the only example I could give you either and I think you know that full well.

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