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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: Today at 11:52:51 AM »
What will Donegal do heading to Kerry? Surely the players won’t take their own cars? They’d be knackered.

Fermanagh players took their own cars .
They did manage to get the somewhere to stay though on the Saturday night .
Are hotels in the south open at the minute ?

Some are. I was reading one hotel cancelled on Fermanagh but another took them in.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: Today at 11:51:54 AM »
I dont know, 3 way play off I think but there is no time build into the schedule for that.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: Today at 11:28:26 AM »
Would we (Roscommon) not be as well to concede the game and protect the scoring difference ?

This is the thing. In every county and tournament I have ever come across, once a team concedes a game then the use of score differences can no longer be used. Not sure how the GAA will work this out if it happens that some team or other will be promoted or relegated if a team doesnt field.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: Today at 09:34:58 AM »
Waterford not travelling North one of the reasons given i.e. employers saying saying 14 days isolation needed on return.What a joke Antrim totally correct in not agreeing to neutral venue in South.Terrry Hyland another spoofer couldnt gather a team last week.If they were in a promotion place i am sure they would have fielded.

They were fighting for survival you gobshite, but if you know better feel free to give us the information.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: Today at 09:33:43 AM »
Hopefully none of the rest of the panel will get the bloody thing and hope the player who has tested positive will recover quickly and not be subsequently impaired in any way.

Meanwhile I see Waterford have conceded their D4 game to Antrim citing player concerns among other things.

So where does that leave the GAA, Antrim promoted based on a thrown game. Messy.

Rossfan - which starters are effected do you know?

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: October 21, 2020, 11:48:20 PM »
No allowed 20 on bus so you need two buses. Cavan I know went by car to.kildare to avoid the very thing alleged to have happened to Roscommon.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: October 21, 2020, 11:02:29 PM »
Rossies gone from 8/13 favs to 13/8 outsiders to beat Cavan in the last hour, looks like they will be missing a good lot of players. Doesn't look great for the overall shape of the championship.
Can see why Cavan are suddenly favourites with the reports tonight.

One Roscommon player tested positive for covid and number of other players have to self isolate as deemed as close contacts.

Wow, that would be quite a tning

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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 02:08:44 PM »
Question.

GAA underage training can continue in pods of 15.

What if a kid lives more than 5km away from the pitch
What if the coach lives more than 5km away from the pitch

Anyone know are they exempt from the 5km restriction if on their way to training?

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:27:52 PM »
what happens when the numbers increase to a level that the health system cannot handle? we have seen this in other countries. what happens to other health services as the number increase? what happens the mental health of those who lose loved ones or worst are responsible for giving covid to a loved one who dies.. 

no one on here has denied there are negative aspect of lockdown. No one thinks it a great solution but better than the alterntive taking everything into consideration. i doubt anyone is happy about it but this seems beyond your understanding its easier to start name calling...

I don't know.

It's all speculation, I don't see lockdown being a better alternative to living with the virus and that's from the data we are getting at present.

It's all ifs, buts and maybes but there are a certain cohort of posters on here who know as little as the next man who are displaying bizarre levels of arrogance with absolutely no knowledge on anything and they refuse to even look at the big picture and huge consequences lockdowns and excessive restrictions have on society.

I'd be very interested to see how Slovakia do with their mass testing, it's the most progressive approach I have seen any European country take yet.

you seem very happy to speculate on the outcomes of lockdown?  why is it so hard to speculate on your approach!! which also has a certain level of restrictions.. the arrogence seems to come from you not others.

the data shows increaing numbers of cases... surely you must consider the outcome of that to use your own words people "refuse to even look at the big picture and huge consequences"

Very happy to speculate?

Well done on the most ironic comment on the thread. We are all speculating, all of us, by contending anything I say, you are by your very nature speculating. Saying domestic violence incidents rise and mental health issues are compounded by lockdowns is not speculation though, there is data there to back that assertion up, we will only know to what level in time. It is my view that the consequences of lockdowns and excessive restrictions do more harm than good, it is my view that we are getting too consumed by Covid that we cannot see the consequences of the measure we are taking to combat Covid. And all of us, across all sides are speculating.

Look at all the expert modellers predicting millions of deaths in the UK by x amount of time, how wrong have some of these projections been? And what did those experts do? They speculated, none of us have a golden ball that will tell us what happens so it's an absolute ridiculous contention to make.

The data shows increasing number of cases AND decreasing numbers of fatalties relative to those cases, dropping by double digit multiples all across Europe at present when we contrast with the first wave - that is what the CURRENT data is telling us. I'm looking at the big picture and that's why I'm leaning towards lockdowns and excessive restrictions causing a lot more harm than good. You seem to be solely focusing on Covid.

You've never addressed this question yet. At which point does Covid become an acceptable risk? We have acceptable risk with flu, every year we deem an acceptable level of death, healthcare consumption, health impacts with it and we live with it. At what level do we have to get with Covid before it becomes acceptable? Can you please answer this question? I've done you the courtesy of answering the same question you've posed to me on about 6 different occasions, can you now do me the same?

It’s quite likely that the expert modellers would’ve been right but for lockdown measures, combined with masks and social distancing. The fatality rate falling can easily be explained by the fact that it’s mainly younger people who are getting infected now and their immune system is better able to fight off the virus. At the start a good number of older people were exposed to the virus and a large number sadly died.

The danger of not having lockdowns is that the NHS becomes overwhelmed meaning that sick people (with all illnesses, not just covid) can’t be treated. That will inevitably happen if the virus is allowed to spread unchecked. The aim of the lockdowns and other measures is mainly to ensure the hospitals don’t have the situations we saw in March in Spain and Italy where patients were lying on hospital floors because all beds were taken.

Another important point about the virus is that it’s really not like the flu. A lot of people are trying to minimise the risk by saying it’s just a mild flu. There are hundreds of thousands of people around the world suffering from “long covid”. I know of 3 people who have terrible symptoms 6 months after they contracted the virus with no signs of these symptoms easing. None of the 3 had a particularly bad dose initially and weren’t in hospital. I also know a cardiologist who works in the RVH and ha says there are quite a number of people coming into hospital with severe heart problems 4 or 5 months after getting covid. These were people who had mild symptoms or were asymptomatic. These aren’t just anecdotes, I’ve also seen lots of reports of these issues in the papers. No one knows the long term effects of covid, even those who think they’ve got over it quickly may have problems waiting for them down the line.

The mood music around a vaccine is very good,  it’s quite likely we’ll have one for February/March of 2021. Short lockdowns are a necessary evil until then to ensure our NHS can cope.

Sid, that (in bold) is one of the possibilities I mentioned. Where is the data though to support your assertion that it is easily explained. If Tony Holohan or someone else published such data it would certainly help me, and I am sure others, to accept what they are saying. But right now that's just a theory what you wrote, not a fact. The reason I don't neccessarily believe Tony Holohan just because he is an expert and on TV each night is due to his actions in the Smear Test Scandal. I don't find him a trustworthy person as default.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:07:45 PM »
what happens when the numbers increase to a level that the health system cannot handle? we have seen this in other countries. what happens to other health services as the number increase? what happens the mental health of those who lose loved ones or worst are responsible for giving covid to a loved one who dies.. 

no one on here has denied there are negative aspect of lockdown. No one thinks it a great solution but better than the alterntive taking everything into consideration. i doubt anyone is happy about it but this seems beyond your understanding its easier to start name calling...

I don't know.

It's all speculation, I don't see lockdown being a better alternative to living with the virus and that's from the data we are getting at present.

It's all ifs, buts and maybes but there are a certain cohort of posters on here who know as little as the next man who are displaying bizarre levels of arrogance with absolutely no knowledge on anything and they refuse to even look at the big picture and huge consequences lockdowns and excessive restrictions have on society.

I'd be very interested to see how Slovakia do with their mass testing, it's the most progressive approach I have seen any European country take yet.

you seem very happy to speculate on the outcomes of lockdown?  why is it so hard to speculate on your approach!! which also has a certain level of restrictions.. the arrogence seems to come from you not others.

the data shows increaing numbers of cases... surely you must consider the outcome of that to use your own words people "refuse to even look at the big picture and huge consequences"

Is it not also worth looking at data. Yes, cases are growing at an alarming rate but the death rate is not following the same trajectory as it did in March. We are testing many many more people as anyone who presents with normal cold or flu symptoms is getting a test. All we are being shown by the experts is the amount of cases. Maybe there is more data that we are not seeing. But if there is why is it not being put out on the table. You have to trawl through websites or twitter to get it. So what I know is that cases are high, testing is way up and deaths are still relatively low and have been for weeks. One potential is that there is a longer lag on deaths behind cases than before, another is that the virus is not getting to the old and vulnerable that it reached before and yet another is that it is not as potent for some reason this winter. I cant understand why some of these things are not being discussed and to even suggest discussing them brings a roaring mob upon you.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:43:45 PM »
Schools should be closed as long as teachers go home and live of the covid 300 euro per week payment. I think that's fair.

So no online teaching then? They’d be happy with that I’d say

They'd never be happy. Half them didn't do it anyway.

Half? Link?

Yeh  sure, show me the link where teachers will be happy first though.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:34:52 PM »
Schools should be closed as long as teachers go home and live of the covid 300 euro per week payment. I think that's fair.

So no online teaching then? They’d be happy with that I’d say

They'd never be happy. Half them didn't do it anyway.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:25:31 PM »
Schools should be closed as long as teachers go home and live of the covid 300 euro per week payment. I think that's fair.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:07:13 PM »
I don't believe level 5 or level 6 or level 47 will make a blind bit of difference at this stage. There is no enforcement of level 2 or level 3. What happens after 6 weeks with no improvement?

now thats a topic worthy of discussion. what is possible after lockdown to help keep covid under control if anything. Doing the same is very very unlikely to work and maybe expecting social behaviour to change enough is also unlikely... anyone any ideas?

Enforce the rules?

It seems we are not capable of that. Saturday after Saturday gangs of fuckwits protest in dublin in full view of gardai who do nothing.

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: October 19, 2020, 08:43:31 PM »
I don't believe level 5 or level 6 or level 47 will make a blind bit of difference at this stage. There is no enforcement of level 2 or level 3. What happens after 6 weeks with no improvement?

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