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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM »
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.

So yes, they are certainly different.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 06:21:11 PM »
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 01:41:34 PM »
Look everyone knows it was a set up to throw this Quinn case at Mary Lou live on TV. Same tactic was used on Sean Gallagher when he ran for president. If people cannot see that then they probably just dont want to see what is right i front of them.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 11:20:11 AM »
They'd  also be blamed by many for not being adult enough to do a deal to form a Government.


We've disagreed plenty but I think you've nailed it there. That's FF/FG's plan. The numbers don't add up but they'll still be believed by many when they spout this line.

No one wants an election though so I hope they act like adults and get on with it in the end.

The people are fed up with FF and FG, they will not listen to such nonsense from them even if they get RTE and Indo etc to shout it out. People are seeing through this propaganda from the establishment. A 2nd election will be very bad for FF and FG but especially FF.

Hope 'the people' are quick enough to see through SF propaganda and their voodoo economics or the Monster Raving Green Loony Party who seemingly want to return us to Year Zero.

Wasn't there a woman on Joe Duffy the other day who said as much, she had no interest in any of the political parties, but will vote next time for SF. When asked, she said she hadn't voted in 15 years. What right does she have to talk about anything to do with the governance of this country when she won't partake in the process?

I'm fed up with people being fed up with politics. Have we become such a cossetted snowflake population that we expect to have everything handed to us on a plate? No political party or coalition can deliver us the kind of social utopia that some think we are entitled to. I wish as a nation everyone would take a little bit more responsibility for their well-being and progress and not to be hanging all personal ills on the state. Have we become an 'over-woke' generation, too sensitive to every transient flavour-of-the-month issue?

Ah the woman on Joe Duffy, thats what we call an outlier in statistics because if you have crazies running around thats where they end up getting a platform.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 09:31:45 AM »
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

Breege Quinn raised the story, still no apology

Breege Quinn has raised the story for 13 years, it got on front pages and into debates last week! If you think that is some sort of accident then there is nothing I can do for you.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 09:29:55 AM »
Nope. SF would be the big winners in that scenario, they'd have a better picture of how many candidates they can run. FF and FG would lose seats and SF would pick them up.

Sf transfers did not go to FG or FF, in general. They will take the seats off those elected on those transfers. They'd end up with 44 or 45, while still needing 81.

Quite a few FF candidates got in on the last place, they may not be picking up a huge amount of transfers but they are picking up a significant amount. If a guy is getting in with 5-10k surplus like in some places a FF or FG candidate may be getting 500 to 800 transfers. That potentially could go, you can look yourself and see how tight some of the FF TDs were to not getting in.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 13, 2020, 09:26:14 AM »
They'd  also be blamed by many for not being adult enough to do a deal to form a Government.


We've disagreed plenty but I think you've nailed it there. That's FF/FG's plan. The numbers don't add up but they'll still be believed by many when they spout this line.

No one wants an election though so I hope they act like adults and get on with it in the end.

The people are fed up with FF and FG, they will not listen to such nonsense from them even if they get RTE and Indo etc to shout it out. People are seeing through this propaganda from the establishment. A 2nd election will be very bad for FF and FG but especially FF.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 12, 2020, 10:17:38 PM »
Labour apparently ruling themselves out of govt which seems to put the kybosh on (the already unlikely) possibility of a left wing govt.

Hard to see how they can do that without a leader in place?

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 12, 2020, 10:17:16 PM »
But they will still be ministers. All continue in their caretaker role, including Leo as caretaker Taoiseach, until a new government is formed. Technically he could be Taoiseach for many months including as Hound said the visit to the White House on St. Paddy's Day. Indeed, if there is a new election later if no gov can be formed, he could go to the country slightly more popular than he was in February and come back with the most number of seats. Stranger things have happened.

Another election could see both FF and FG pick up seats.
They would have refined their manifestos and would have a right go at SF's fairytale.

See that is pure rubbish! Have a right go? what do you think they did in this election. They got every media outlet in the country to attack SF, they dragged up a 13 year old murder case and manipulated a grieving mother to further their goals. And they still failed and if SF ran in an election tomorrow they could take another 6 or 7 seats. You clearly have a hatred of SF, that's fair enough, but you are talking total garbage there - the kitchen sink was already thrown at SF and it failed and done nothing but drive people towards them.

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General discussion / Re: New Car Advice
« on: February 12, 2020, 12:00:16 PM »
Dealer mark up all depends on the type of dealer. Small fella with a few cars at side of his house doesnt have the overheads of the main dealer.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 12, 2020, 07:47:36 AM »
There was an all out assault on Sinn Fein before the election by vested interests, most of them with very close links to FF and FG. Here, after the election, is what IBEC and others are now saying. Striking the difference isnt it....


Ibec says Sinn Féin ‘not mad’ when it comes to the economy
‘Manifestos are one thing, but programmes for government are a different animal’

Senior members of the Irish business world envisage no difficulty developing a working partnership with Sinn Féin, should the left-leaning party be part of the next government.

As the dramatic result of the election took shape, global financial newswire Bloomberg suggested now “could be a good time to dump the country’s bonds” as risks may increase, citing reasons such as spending promises by Sinn Féin.

However, Brian Hayes, the top lobbyist for Irish bankers, and a former Fine Gael junior finance minister, believes suggestions of increased political risk in fiscal matters is “exaggerated”.

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“People need to be relaxed about this,” said Mr Hayes, chief executive of Banking and Payments Federation Ireland.

“With Sinn Féin, it’s all about what a programme for government says. Manifestos are one thing, but programmes for government are a different animal.”

In its manifesto, Sinn Féin made huge spending promises and effectively said it would narrow the tax base. However, it also pledged to retain the 12.5 per cent corporation tax rate and protect funding for investment agency, IDA Ireland.

“It was a change election. If people were talking about radical change to investment policy and free movement of capital, that would be a worry. But I don’t think they are. I’m confident of a stable government.”

Danny McCoy, director general of employers’ lobby group, Ibec, said he could “absolutely” see the Irish business world being able to work with Sinn Féin: “We have seen them in action in the North. Their instincts are not that mad when it comes to business.”

Mr McCoy called for the next government to enter a process of “social dialogue” with business and societal groups to discuss investment in infrastructure and public spending.

“The public sector is too small for the size of the private sector, and that is really something for Ibec to say. The lack of doctors, the lack of guards etc. You can feel it. We agree there needs to be an allocation of resources towards issues that affect people’s everyday lives, like housing.”

He called on Sinn Féin, if it enters government, not to “frighten the horses” when it comes to issues such as attracting foreign investment.

The American Chamber of Commerce Ireland, which represents many US-based FDI investors here, said it wants the next government to provide stability and “remain committed to Ireland’s business friendly environment”.

Prominent property developer, Johnny Ronan, called on the party to be “pragmatic” if it enters government: “Their manifesto makes clear that the party recognises the benefits and jobs that have flowed to Ireland as a result of foreign direct investment. It’s crucial that commitment is maintained.”

He said much of Sinn Féin’s investment promises were “sensible stuff. Business is part of the solution here, not part of the problem”.

Mr Ronan has previously developed premises for FDI investors such as Amazon, and is currently building a new headquarters for Facebook. He also has a pipeline of up to 1,400 residential units. One of Sinn Féin’s signature election promises was a rent freeze and a promise to invest €6 billion in housing.

“The electorate has sent a clear message about the importance of delivering affordable housing. Every unit built is part of the solution here,” he said.

Mr Ronan criticised building height restrictions in Dublin, however, and said the new government “simply has to get a proper grip on the planning process”.

“We recently had permission granted by An Bord Pleanála to deliver over 600 residential units. Dublin City Council is now seeking a judicial review of that decision, holding up residential construction in the middle of a housing crisis.”

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 12, 2020, 07:09:25 AM »
Am I missing something in the economics talk here?

Firstly - I thought SF’s manifesto was costed by the Department of Finance and they concluded that when their numbers were run that a budget surplus was still expected?


Secondly - what is the acceptable right/centre-right way of raising the funds to fix the housing, homelessness and housing crises? As I see it you can either tax, borrow or ignore the problem - those are your choices. So assuming you can’t ignore it, and you don’t want to add to the astronomical  national debt, then presumably you’ll raise the funds via tax. If that’s your conclusion then surely you want to tax progressively (I.e. richest pay the most) and is that not how SF have proposed to fix these problems?

SF claim that alright but from their manifesto:

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Provide an additional €6.5 billion in order  to deliver over 100,000  public  homes on public  land  to meet social and affordable housing needs

Which seems impossible by any measure. Apart from the labour shortage, I can't see how that number of houses can be built for that kind of money no matter how the money itself is raised.

There was an excellent talk on Morning Ireland yesterday involving academics in the field who said that the scheme amounted to building homes for around €234k, of which €6.5bn would come from the public purse. The academic was a strong supporter of the policy and suggested that more than €6.5bn will be spent by the state over the next few years in rent to private landlords (if we keep going the way we are).

I heard the same. 50k of these new houses are already budgeted for  the challenge isnt the money or the approach, the challenge is getting the labour to build the houses.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 11, 2020, 07:16:08 PM »
I see SF are putting out their ATeam for the negotiations-Pearse Doherty, Eoin Ó Broin, Louise O'Reilly.
Senior hurling about to get underway.

Who's Louise O'Reilly? I suppose in the ranks of SF, O'Doherty would qualify as a heavy hitter alright. Has he much third-level education?

There is no O
And you are a snob by the way. Pearse Doherty is very well respected across the board, you clearly know  nothing about politics in the 26.

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 11, 2020, 01:43:07 PM »
While personally I'm dead against SF being in government, you have to respect the will of the electorate in a general election. SF forming part of the next government is clearly the will of the people.

Negotiations won't be easy, but the ball is firmly in SF's court and they've two channels for getting into government. Rainbow left or the more realistic combination with FF and Green. There's no excuse not to get it done. They're politicians, it's their job to work it out.
Agree 100%
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If they don't get it done and go back to the electorate with the message - Sorry lads, we didn't run enough candidates. Let's do it all again so we can aim for 50 seats. That'd be a gamble. Could work. Could backfire.
I think it would backfire.

Or if they tried to form a government, FF and FG refused to respect the 25% of votes they got and SF went back and said due to FF/FG insulting the electorate we need a bigger majority now, I think they would get it. No one is running back to FF and FG in the short term. What evidence is there that suggests otherwise?

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General discussion / Re: 26 County General Election 2020
« on: February 11, 2020, 01:41:13 PM »
As a Nordie I am equally as embarrassed and annoyed by Cullinane's antics as by Andersons. Not as annoyed as Mary Lou though I'd say.
I'd say some of the 24% who gave SF no.1s are overboard already as a result.
Some FFrs canvassing in Westmeath were told at a few houses "No, we're  voting for the Sinn Féin man".
Sorcha Clarke was HER name ;D

If you think that then you really are naive, the electorate had 2 full weeks of an all out attack form RTE, Indo etc on Sinn Fein and 25% of them said that they dont give a shite about that. I doubt that 25% or any amount of them are now saying oh God I wish I hadnt voted for them as one of them said "up the Ra". It was a stupid thing to say but it will make zero difference.

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