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Did his mammy never tell him take his hands out of his pockets? Especially when meeting royalty!

Shame!

/Jim.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 09:18:09 AM
Did his mammy never tell him take his hands out of his pockets? Especially when meeting royalty!

Shame!

/Jim.

Looks like a game of trouser snooker going on there.

Magic stuff!

is that O'Driscoll with his hand on his mouth in disbelief!?

Quote from: Gold on May 08, 2009, 09:25:17 AM
is that O'Driscoll with his hand on his mouth in disbelief!?

Yes he was allegedly just heard to say 'ffs Ronan, hide the hard on!'

Gregory look like he is going to be sick, great photo.

Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 08, 2009, 09:27:30 AM
Gregory look like he is going to be sick, great photo.

Indeed.  Can't understand why Ronan was 'pumped up' at meeting him. It's as well the Queen came along to settle him down.

please don't do it Ronan.....

Those Rebels !!

O'Gara gets revenge for Johnston's disrespect of our President... maith thu 

Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 08, 2009, 10:03:08 AM
O'Gara gets revenge for Johnston's disrespect of our President... maith thu 

Great call fox

Fair play to Ronan ye boy ye. I hope he told her to "shove it up your arse lizzie"

I also like the way Mam wears gloves so as not to get infected by the peasants

Quote from: Orior on May 08, 2009, 10:05:15 AM
I also like the way Mam wears gloves so as not to get infected by the peasants

But she will take them off for a fellow head of state:

(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00318/queen3_indo_318210t.jpg)

Queen is tipping McAleese off about the Nazis behind her!

She's telling Mary how nice it is of her to visit and that she is very welcome.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:14:37 AM

Quote from: Orior on May 08, 2009, 10:05:15 AM
I also like the way Mam wears gloves so as not to get infected by the peasants

But she will take them off for a fellow head of state:

(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00318/queen3_indo_318210t.jpg)

Queen is tipping McAleese off about the Nazis behind her!

So who was visiting who?

beat me to it Chris.

Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 08, 2009, 10:03:08 AM
O'Gara gets revenge for Johnston's disrespect of our President... maith thu 

I'd say he was scratching his balls at the same time !!! What about a handshake ???  ;) ;)

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:14:37 AM
Queen is tipping McAleese off about the Nazis behind her!

Sure shes german herself, so shed know all about it.

fair play to o'gara, wish they all had done it

Done what? Had his hands in their pockets as they chatted to the queen, told her that he met her grandson and thay he was a great fella?

What is the problem, or pride, in this

ODriscoll said

QuoteAnd to have the Sovereign of Northern Ireland to come over, the queen, and give us her time was great too.

I also note marty mcguiness boycotted the event as a "British government-sponsored event"

I thought Paddy Wallace* was going to do a Mr Bean, so low did he tug his forelock.

Still great to see an organisation strengthening the national identity of a 32 county Ireland through the promotion of Rugby.

* Winner of the Neil Francis Daft b**tard of the Year Award, an award from which Francis himself was obviously excluded.

QuoteStill great to see an organisation strengthening the national identity of a 32 county Ireland through the promotion of Rugby.

I dunno, the captain of the team talking about the sovereign of northern ireland shows they see a bit of a difference there themselves  :P

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 10:28:12 AM
ODriscoll said

QuoteAnd to have the Sovereign of Northern Ireland to come over, the queen, and give us her time was great too.

I also note marty mcguiness boycotted the event as a "British government-sponsored event"

He's happy enough to be sponsored by the British government when it suits him.  The party just wouldn't have been the same without Marty there right enough.

ODriscoll also said

Quote from: Brian O'Driscoll
"I think the players from the Republic understand that meeting the queen means as much to the northern players, as it does to the southern players when they meet Mary McAleese.

"It's a reciprocation and an understanding and it's another opportunity to be patted on the back, so that can't be a bad thing."

patted on the back?....it's not his back ROG is patting.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:39:04 AM
ODriscoll also said

Quote from: Brian O'Driscoll
"I think the players from the Republic understand that meeting the queen means as much to the northern players, as it does to the southern players when they meet Mary McAleese.

"It's a reciprocation and an understanding and it's another opportunity to be patted on the back, so that can't be a bad thing."

patted on the back?....it's not his back ROG is patting.

:D

Does it make you a bad person being into granny porn? :o

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Does it make you a bad person being into granny porn? :o

Good enough for Wayne Rooney, good enough for ROG.

In fairness you boys over on OWC have been complaining about ROG's tackle this long time.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
In fairness you boys over on OWC have been complaining about ROG's tackle this long time.

True.  Can someone with no balls get a semi? 

Maybe Ronan has a not so well hidden talent.

Quote from: Orior on May 08, 2009, 10:05:15 AM
I also like the way Mam wears gloves so as not to get infected by the peasants

Rugby players = peasants  :D

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 10:48:52 AM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
In fairness you boys over on OWC have been complaining about ROG's tackle this long time.

True.  Can someone with no balls get a semi? 

Harsh Roger  :D

Quote from: full back on May 08, 2009, 10:53:58 AM
Harsh Roger  :D

He didn't handle his semi as well last weekend  ;)

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 10:24:49 AM
Done what? Had his hands in their pockets as they chatted to the queen, told her that he met her grandson and thay he was a great fella?

What is the problem, or pride, in this

I doubt it is usual for one to have one's hands in one's pockets whilst meeting the queen. It shows a general lack of respect to her which is good enough in my opinion. I think he was making a wee statement here.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:44:00 AM

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Does it make you a bad person being into granny porn? :o

Good enough for Wayne Rooney, good enough for ROG.

Wazza went one step further and dipped his toe in the jacuzzi.

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 11:02:00 AM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:44:00 AM

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Does it make you a bad person being into granny porn? :o

Good enough for Wayne Rooney, good enough for ROG.

Wazza went one step further and dipped his toe in the jacuzzi.

I'd say someone pulled the plug out of the jacuzzi as it was dry when he got there :P

Big deal about nothing lads, ROG is as much of a jolly as some of the ones who do tug the forelock.

What the hell was the Irish Rugby squad doing visiting a foreign monarch anyway? Do they also plan to hawk the trophies round the heads of state of France, Italy, Germany etc?

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2009, 11:16:05 AM

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 11:02:00 AM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 10:44:00 AM

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Does it make you a bad person being into granny porn? :o

Good enough for Wayne Rooney, good enough for ROG.

Wazza went one step further and dipped his toe in the jacuzzi.

I'd say someone pulled the plug out of the jacuzzi as it was dry when he got there :P

I knew it wouldn't take long for that one. ;)

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 11:17:27 AM
What the hell was the Irish Rugby squad doing visiting a foreign monarch anyway? Do they also plan to hawk the trophies round the heads of state of France, Italy, Germany etc?

She's your head of state in the North like it or not  and as Ireland represent the entire island is also the head of state from some of the team members .

The British Queen is Head of State of 55% of the people of the North East. The  other 45%(incl Tony F) dont partake in the monocultural rugby game up there and have Máire Nic Ghiolla Iosa as their President.
As for the 26 Co rugby crowd ---I think it's fair to say most of them would prefer if Liz Windsor was still their Head of State too...Westbrits the lot of them who will be very proud to play for the British lions later in the year. 











:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

She is not and  never will be my head of state. This is really farcical. An Irish Gymnast team cannot have the tricolour flown or national anthem played in Newry (an area that is 85% nationalist), yet the arse lickers in the IRFU have to feed the unionist illusion that the North is a separate state. It would just about have been palatable had a couple of the Ulster players brought the trophies to Elizabeth Windsor but  the attendance of high profile 26 county born players like O'Driscoll and O'Gara is outrageous

QuoteThe  other 45%(incl Tony F) dont partake in the monocultural rugby game up there

Stephen Ferris?  ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
The British Queen is Head of State of 55% of the people of the North East. The  other 45%(incl Tony F) dont partake in the monocultural rugby game up there and have Máire Nic Ghiolla Iosa as their President.
As for the 26 Co rugby crowd ---I think it's fair to say most of them would prefer if Liz Windsor was still their Head of State too...Westbrits the lot of them who will be very proud to play for the British lions later in the year. 











:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

You mean the  Mostly Irish , Welsh a few English and a  couple scots Lions?  ;)

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 12:10:02 PM
She is not and  never will be my head of state. This is really farcical. An Irish Gymnast team cannot have the tricolour flown or national anthem played in Newry (an area that is 85% nationalist), yet the arse lickers in the IRFU have to feed the unionist illusion that the North is a separate state. It would just about have been palatable had a couple of the Ulster players brought the trophies to Elizabeth Windsor but  the attendance of high profile 26 county born players like O'Driscoll and O'Gara is outrageous

Yes lets follow the FAI model and split the Rugby team . Your in favour of partition aren't you Tony?

Quote from: EC Unique on May 08, 2009, 10:58:04 AM

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 10:24:49 AM
Done what? Had his hands in their pockets as they chatted to the queen, told her that he met her grandson and thay he was a great fella?

What is the problem, or pride, in this

I doubt it is usual for one to have one's hands in one's pockets whilst meeting the queen. It shows a general lack of respect to her which is good enough in my opinion. I think he was making a wee statement here.

Thought that myself, fair play if he is. Shes an oul goat anyway

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
The British Queen is Head of State of 55% of the people of the North East. The  other 45%(incl Tony F) dont partake in the monocultural rugby game up there and have Máire Nic Ghiolla Iosa as their President.
As for the 26 Co rugby crowd ---I think it's fair to say most of them would prefer if Liz Windsor was still their Head of State too...Westbrits the lot of them who will be very proud to play for the British lions later in the year. 


Whatever about the jokey tit for tat nature of this thread, this bit is just plain shite. I know plenty of Catholic nationalists from the north who play rugby.








:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Lads, lighten up will ye, this should really be in a funny caption thread instead of turning it into a tit for tat.  FFS, no wonder the shit went on as long as it did.  This was going somewhere funny until the ballbags turned it into a political spat.

Start your own "let's fight with our shadow" thread if you want to go down than road.

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 09:27:18 AM

Quote from: Gold on May 08, 2009, 09:25:17 AM
is that O'Driscoll with his hand on his mouth in disbelief!?

Yes he was allegedly just heard to say 'ffs Ronan, hide the hard on!'

I nearly burst out laughing in the office there when I read that....Very Good

Quote from: fitzroyalty on May 08, 2009, 12:21:31 PM
Shes an oul goat anyway

Jeez, don't let the Killorglin lads see that! What did goats ever do on you anyway?

Should mountain goats be illegal?

O'Gara should have told her to f*** off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_laL3GD8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_laL3GD8s)

Quote from: gallsman on May 08, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
nationalists from the north who play rugby.

I think rossfan was joking.

As ive said ulster and ireland stephen ferris is an example.

(http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/aspjpeg_resize.asp?Path=http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/NiallGK/4CD_ROG-and-Ma%27am.jpg&Size=500)

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 01:27:03 PM

I think rossfan was joking.

One man with a bit of cop anyway.  ;)

Just to piss all ye rugger heads off even more .. I'm proud of the fact that Roscommon is the only County in Ireland which hasnt got a rugby club. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Now if only the rest of the Country could only follow our example.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 02:00:17 PM

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 01:27:03 PM

I think rossfan was joking.

One man with a bit of cop anyway.  ;)

Just to piss all ye rugger heads off even more .. I'm proud of the fact that Roscommon is the only County in Ireland which hasnt got a rugby club. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Now if only the rest of the Country could only follow our example.

Creggs RFC has probably as many Roscommon people involved in it as Galway people (if not more) even though their ground is just inside the Galway border.

If yez are trying to make out that Ferris is a Mick then I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 08, 2009, 02:07:27 PM
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Creggs RFC.....their ground is just inside the Galway border.

Thank Christ for that small mercy  ;D

Quote from: Feckitt on May 08, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
If yez are trying to make out that Ferris is a Mick then I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Ulster native Tommy Bowe, now playing with the Ospreys, is of native stock.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 02:00:17 PM

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 01:27:03 PM

I think rossfan was joking.

One man with a bit of cop anyway.  ;)

Just to piss all ye rugger heads off even more .. I'm proud of the fact that Roscommon is the only County in Ireland which hasnt got a rugby club. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Now if only the rest of the Country could only follow our example.

Ahh that explains why ye lot are so good at the Football  :P ;) :D

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 02:00:17 PM

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 01:27:03 PM

I think rossfan was joking.

One man with a bit of cop anyway.  ;)

Just to piss all ye rugger heads off even more .. I'm proud of the fact that Roscommon is the only County in Ireland which hasnt got a rugby club. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Now if only the rest of the Country could only follow our example.

Ye have more sheep though....

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 08, 2009, 01:49:46 PM
(http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/aspjpeg_resize.asp?Path=http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/NiallGK/4CD_ROG-and-Ma%27am.jpg&Size=500)

Class :D :D

is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Quote from: the Deel Rover on May 08, 2009, 02:21:37 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 02:00:17 PM

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 01:27:03 PM

I think rossfan was joking.

One man with a bit of cop anyway.  ;)

Just to piss all ye rugger heads off even more .. I'm proud of the fact that Roscommon is the only County in Ireland which hasnt got a rugby club. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Now if only the rest of the Country could only follow our example.

Ahh that explains why ye lot are so good at the Football  :P ;) :D

In fairness they play football like it was rugby so you'd think they would be ideally suited to the oval ball game. ;D

Quote from: Feckitt on May 08, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
If yez are trying to make out that Ferris is a Mick then I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Im pretty sure he is - why do you think he isnt?

Well then to hell with the Lions tour, he could be the man to solve Armagh's midfield crisis!

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

Definitely Westmeath side. The Ballinasloe rugby pitch is on the Galway side of town too.

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

Is the river not the old boundary but now the bits of Athlone that are west of the river are now considered Westmeath. Don't think you cross the river to get to Dubarry Park though.  

Quote from: Feckitt on May 08, 2009, 02:57:14 PM
Well then to hell with the Lions tour, he could be the man to solve Armagh's midfield crisis!

Not sure about county systems or borders but fairly certain he's from Lisburn area which would be in County Antrim.

Depends on what side of the bridge you're on in Lisburn.

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

No roscommon side to Athlone, all Westmeath...

Quote from: Chrisowc on May 08, 2009, 01:01:36 PM
Should mountain goats be illegal?

No, but mounting them is ;)

OGara shud never have been near her in the first place

Quote from: Feckitt on May 08, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
If yez are trying to make out that Ferris is a Mick then I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Mammy and Pappy are from the black, black south I believe.

In fact I read somewhere that he is a GAA fan and regularly attends games.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2u61d9g.jpg)

Note Gregory Campbell on the far left.

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 08, 2009, 03:34:24 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

No roscommon side to Athlone, all Westmeath...

Across the bridge?

Only on this island could an international sports team be hosted by the head of a foreign state that itself was defeated by the same international team on the way to their historic win. It really is laughable/pathetic how freestaters bend over backwards to appease unionists (or feed their illusions) and their generosity and kindness is never acknowledged far less receiprocated. Eg the Irish gymnastic team cannot even have the tricolour flown or national anthem  played in Newry (which is 80% nationalist), due to whines from the local so called liberal unionist by the name of Kennedy.

In other words heap indignity, humiliation  and shame on the Irish nation for no reward or gratitude even >:(

Roscommon doesnt start immediately over the bridge -- as far as I'm aware in 1898 the then built up area west of the river was included in Westmeath when the new Co Councils were being set up.

As for Mr Ferris ...I thought all ye North(East) bucks could tell by the distance between the eyes  ::)

If Tony can't get a rise out of the prods he turns on the freestaters :D

Ever try therapy?

You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 03:50:22 PM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 08, 2009, 03:34:24 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

No roscommon side to Athlone, all Westmeath...

Across the bridge?

All Westmeath, notice the "Welcome to Roscommon" signs at the town limits when your leaving Athlone, heading to Roscommon town or Ballinasloe next time you're passing through...

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Actually, i know 2 Catholics called stephen ferris  :P

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name.... Eileen... taig

I agree with the others, but Eileen?  I assume you're joking?

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/72179039.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6C42E1B27BE53ED03A245704FE6840619)
"Paisley relationship on the ropes as it transpires that Mrs Paisley is a tim."

???

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Why because his name isnt catholic enough???  :D

Which bit is prod - stephen or ferris?

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 08, 2009, 04:18:09 PM

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 03:50:22 PM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 08, 2009, 03:34:24 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

No roscommon side to Athlone, all Westmeath...

Across the bridge?

All Westmeath, notice the "Welcome to Roscommon" signs at the town limits when your leaving Athlone, heading to Roscommon town or Ballinasloe next time you're passing through...

Really, I always thought the run down part of Athlone was in Roscommon, infact so did many people I know from Roscommon.

QuoteAn Irish Gymnast team cannot have the tricolour flown or national anthem played in Newry (an area that is 85% nationalist)

QuoteEg the Irish gymnastic team cannot even have the tricolour flown or national anthem  played in Newry (which is 80% nationalist)

These posts where mere hours apart.
At this rate there wont be any nationalists left in newry by chucking out time tonight.

Can't see why Stephen Ferris' background is relevant here unless he is not from Ireland and therefore ineligible for the IRFU and the state reception; or unless he had a canoe in his pocket too when he met the Queen.

I went to school with a lad named Stephan Ferris and he was ordained a Catholic priest after he did his Leaving Cert.

His background shouldn't be relevant but we shouldn't be suprised people want to know given our locality, the religious denomination that someone belongs too is nearly always of interest to people here, especially in regards to 'celebrities'. Not that this makes it right of course.

Quote from: thejuice on May 08, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I went to school with a lad named Stephan Ferris and he was ordained a Catholic priest after he did his Leaving Cert.

Well this one plays rugby, doesn't come across as religious in any shape or form, and has a rather tasty looking bird so it must be a different one.

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 04:27:28 PM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 08, 2009, 04:18:09 PM

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 03:50:22 PM

Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 08, 2009, 03:34:24 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: rossie mad on May 08, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
is the buccs ground not in roscommon?

It's in Athlone.

Is it the roscommon side or weastmeath side?

No roscommon side to Athlone, all Westmeath...

Across the bridge?

All Westmeath, notice the "Welcome to Roscommon" signs at the town limits when your leaving Athlone, heading to Roscommon town or Ballinasloe next time you're passing through...

Really, I always thought the run down part of Athlone was in Roscommon, infact so did many people I know from Roscommon.

I'd say 95% of people think that

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 04:39:30 PM

Quote from: thejuice on May 08, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I went to school with a lad named Stephan Ferris and he was ordained a Catholic priest after he did his Leaving Cert.

Well this one plays rugby, doesn't come across as religious in any shape or form, and has a rather tasty looking bird so it must be a different one.

Lauren would get it alright, nice girl too.

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 04:39:30 PM

Quote from: thejuice on May 08, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I went to school with a lad named Stephan Ferris and he was ordained a Catholic priest after he did his Leaving Cert.

Well this one plays rugby, doesn't come across as religious in any shape or form, and has a rather tasty looking bird so it must be a different one.

No sh!t,

I dont care what religion anyone is, I was just disproving Fearon.

His background is indeed immaterial, the core point of this debate is the relentless apparent need of the IRFU to shamelessly pander to northern unionists, by

Participating in a "reception" hosted by a foreign monarch in Ireland, whose own country was beaten by Ireland on they way to the grand slam ffs ::)

Never playing the national anthem of our country at its away games

scandalously failing to play it at a home game in Belfast in 2007.

The Irish rugby team is internationally classified as "one nation" and is part of the six nations tournament. Why is the IRFU trying to convince everyone that it is actually part of two nations?

Quote from: nifan on May 08, 2009, 04:29:35 PM

QuoteAn Irish Gymnast team cannot have the tricolour flown or national anthem played in Newry (an area that is 85% nationalist)

QuoteEg the Irish gymnastic team cannot even have the tricolour flown or national anthem  played in Newry (which is 80% nationalist)

These posts where mere hours apart.
At this rate there wont be any nationalists left in newry by chucking out time tonight.

Only 75% now....

Quote from: Roger on May 08, 2009, 04:39:30 PM

Quote from: thejuice on May 08, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I went to school with a lad named Stephan Ferris and he was ordained a Catholic priest after he did his Leaving Cert.

Well this one plays rugby, doesn't come across as religious in any shape or form, and has a rather tasty looking bird so it must be a different one.

you dont say...

New Ronan O'Gara anthem penned by Phil Coulter, to the tune of the French anthem

When old Betty to Ireland calls
you must keep hold of your balls

So what exactly is the OWC position on Sir Ronan O'Gara's interpretation of royal protocol?

Does he join the hate list along with the primary school girl from Essex and Neil Lennon? Is he a hero?

He will be burned on the 11th night no doubt

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:45:07 PM
His background is indeed immaterial, the core point of this debate is the relentless apparent need of the IRFU to shamelessly pander to northern unionists, by

Participating in a "reception" hosted by a foreign monarch in Ireland, whose own country was beaten by Ireland on they way to the grand slam ffs ::)

Never playing the national anthem of our country at its away games

scandalously failing to play it at a home game in Belfast in 2007.

The Irish rugby team is internationally classified as "one nation" and is part of the six nations tournament. Why is the IRFU trying to convince everyone that it is actually part of two nations?

Tony are you serious.  There are people representing Ireland in rugby who would consider themselves Irish and there are people who would consider themselves British - by virtue of the fact that the place where they were born (whilst part of Ireland) is under the jurisdiction of Britain/UK/GB or whatever.  I'm sure these people have the passports to prove it!  That's the way it is.  Why should those who fall into the latter category not be allowed to show off their silverware to the person they believe to be their head of state.  It's the old dual nationality nugget and all that...

I wouldn't have gone myself though but that's another matter...

QuoteThe Irish rugby team is internationally classified as "one nation"

So the IRBcan decide what a nation is for internationals, but you dont afford fifa the same respect? Cant say I am surprised by your lack of consistency

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 04:27:28 PM
Really, I always thought the run down part of Athlone was in Roscommon, infact so did many people I know from Roscommon.

All of Athlone is rundown so that doesn't help matters......

Dubarry Park is on the east side of the Shannon though.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 04:04:17 PM
As for Mr Ferris ...I thought all ye North(East) bucks could tell by the distance between the eyes  ::)

I think he's a quaker.  That would be the religious equivalent of alliance party I suppose...........

Franko, by your reasoning then the IFA should respect those Irish nationlists who misguidedly choose to represent them by dropping the english national anthem? Do they do it, no.

I could just about have swallowed this if ulster players only  were involved yesterday, or indeed ulster players of a unionist leaning, but the involvement of O'Driscoll and O'Gara was unforgiveable. Only unionists labour under the illusion of the two nations on one island in Ireland theory and they should not in any way be encouraged by people of a sane disposition

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:45:07 PM
His background is indeed immaterial, the core point of this debate is the relentless apparent need of the IRFU to shamelessly pander to northern unionists, by

Participating in a "reception" hosted by a foreign monarch in Ireland, whose own country was beaten by Ireland on they way to the grand slam ffs ::)

Never playing the national anthem of our country at its away games

scandalously failing to play it at a home game in Belfast in 2007.

The Irish rugby team is internationally classified as "one nation" and is part of the six nations tournament. Why is the IRFU trying to convince everyone that it is actually part of two nations?

So you'd rather partition than pandering ?

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:59:06 PM
Franko, by your reasoning then the IFA should respect those Irish nationlists who misguidedly choose to represent them by dropping the english national anthem? Do they do it, no.

I could just about have swallowed this if ulster players only  were involved yesterday, or indeed ulster players of a unionist leaning, but the involvement of O'Driscoll and O'Gara was unforgiveable. Only unionists labour under the illusion of the two nations on one island in Ireland theory and they should not in any way be encouraged by people of a sane disposition

or indeed ulster players of a unionist leaning with a slight limp  ::)
;D ;D ;D

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:59:06 PM
Franko, by your reasoning then the IFA should respect those Irish nationlists who misguidedly choose to represent them by dropping the english national anthem? Do they do it, no.

I could just about have swallowed this if ulster players only  were involved yesterday, or indeed ulster players of a unionist leaning, but the involvement of O'Driscoll and O'Gara was unforgiveable. Only unionists labour under the illusion of the two nations on one island in Ireland theory and they should not in any way be encouraged by people of a sane disposition

Totally unrealistic but yeah, possibly.

Doesn't make what happened yesterday wrong though.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 04:55:39 PM

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 04:27:28 PM
Really, I always thought the run down part of Athlone was in Roscommon, infact so did many people I know from Roscommon.

All of Athlone is rundown so that doesn't help matters......

Dubarry Park is on the east side of the Shannon though.

You'll find the Westmeath crowd all have funny eyes and cant pronounce the "H" in words beginning with "th" . It's real dis,dat,dese and dose territory.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 04:55:39 PM

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 04:27:28 PM
Really, I always thought the run down part of Athlone was in Roscommon, infact so did many people I know from Roscommon.

All of Athlone is rundown so that doesn't help matters......

Dubarry Park is on the east side of the Shannon though.

I was waiting for someone to make that comment  ;D

Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 08, 2009, 04:22:50 PM

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Actually, i know 2 Catholics called stephen ferris  :P

And that's 2 more than the number of people i know who are daily communicants or own rosary beads!

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Only women over the age of 80 would fall into that category.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2009, 05:24:21 PM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 04:55:39 PM

Quote from: Galwaybhoy on May 08, 2009, 04:27:28 PM
Really, I always thought the run down part of Athlone was in Roscommon, infact so did many people I know from Roscommon.

All of Athlone is rundown so that doesn't help matters......

Dubarry Park is on the east side of the Shannon though.

You'll find the Westmeath crowd all have funny eyes and cant pronounce the "H" in words beginning with "th" . It's real dis,dat,dese and dose territory.

Wheras the Rossies only have eyes for the sheep...  ;D

Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2009, 05:49:49 PM
[
"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Actually, i know 2 Catholics called stephen ferris  :P
[/quote]
And that's 2 more than the number of people i know who are daily communicants or own rosary beads!
[/quote]

No wonder ye never won an All Ireland :D

T Fearon

As I nationalist from Derry I have to say that your views on this subject are a disgrace.

Your bigoted views are what is wrong with this country, and unionist bigoted views like yours is what us nationalists like myself have to put up with for years.

You are no better that them, you do not what to live in a Island of mutual respect and you are clearly a supporter of partition.

Im glad that our rugby team had a bit more manners and common sense than yourself and didnt show the country up.

Quote from: thejuice on May 08, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I went to school with a lad named Stephan Ferris and he was ordained a Catholic priest after he did his Leaving Cert.

I was ordained an absolute waste of space after my leaving cert

Quote from: BobKelso on May 08, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
T Fearon

As I nationalist from Derry I have to say that your views on this subject are a disgrace.

Your bigoted views are what is wrong with this country, and unionist bigoted views like yours is what us nationalists like myself have to put up with for years.

You are no better that them, you do not what to live in a Island of mutual respect and you are clearly a supporter of partition.

Im glad that our rugby team had a bit more manners and common sense than yourself and didnt show the country up.

tonys only winding you up.......... well sometimes ;)

Quote from: Orior on May 08, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
So what exactly is the OWC position on Sir Ronan O'Gara's interpretation of royal protocol?

Does he join the hate list along with the primary school girl from Essex and Neil Lennon? Is he a hero?

What age would Holly be now?

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 08, 2009, 03:45:46 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2u61d9g.jpg)

Note Gregory Campbell on the far left.

Pure class! - The missus and me did some laughing at that!

Quote from: BobKelso on May 08, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
T Fearon

As I nationalist from Derry I have to say that your views on this subject are a disgrace.

Your bigoted views are what is wrong with this country, and unionist bigoted views like yours is what us nationalists like myself have to put up with for years.

You are no better that them, you do not what to live in a Island of mutual respect and you are clearly a supporter of partition.

Im glad that our rugby team had a bit more manners and common sense than yourself and didnt show the country up.

That post doesn't exactly cover Manchester Met students in glory. :D

Quote from: comethekingdom on May 08, 2009, 10:45:04 PM

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 08, 2009, 03:45:46 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2u61d9g.jpg)

Note Gregory Campbell on the far left.

Pure class! - The missus and me did some laughing at that!

you and your woman sit on the gaaboard on a friday night?

Quote from: Orior on May 08, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
So what exactly is the OWC position on Sir Ronan O'Gara's interpretation of royal protocol?

He isn't being discussed.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 03:41:07 PM
Mammy and Pappy are from the black, black south I believe.

His Pappy is from Andytown actually. Not sure about his ma.

Quote from: Roger on May 09, 2009, 12:19:27 PM

Quote from: Orior on May 08, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
So what exactly is the OWC position on Sir Ronan O'Gara's interpretation of royal protocol?

He isn't being discussed.

Discussed or disgust?

Quote from: nifan on May 09, 2009, 01:09:16 PM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 08, 2009, 03:41:07 PM
Mammy and Pappy are from the black, black south I believe.

His Pappy is from Andytown actually. Not sure about his ma.

Didnt know they sold poppies in andystown

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Bobby Sands.....

Unless you are trying to be funny, That must be one of your most idiotic posts Tony.

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Eh.....Martin Ferris??

Him of IRA and Sinn Féin fame.

It's a Cork thing apparently:

QuoteDear Editor,
On December 1, 1920, the Auxiliary Division, RIC, Macroom Castle, Cork, 'ordered that all male inhabitants of Macroom and all males passing through Macroom shall not appear in public with their hands in their pockets. Any male infringing this order is liable to be shot on sight'.
It has been the habit of Corkmen to assert a right to keep their hands in their pockets in the presence of British authority figures ever since. The more often it happens the more it should reassure British personages that no harm will come to them, and that, therefore, it is not necessary to shoot Irishmen with deficient deportment.

This may explain why Irish and Munster Rugby star Ronan O'Gara, from Cork, kept his hands in his pockets when he met Queen Elizabeth, from London, recently. Whether the historical basis for O'Gara's stance was part of the IRFU's defence of his actions (Examiner, May 9th) is another matter.

Yours etc,
Niall Meehan

(From Times letter page!)

Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
You can usually tell by the name. Sean, Seamus, Eileen, Bernadette etc taig, Heather, Mervyn, Walter etc prod. If the christian name doesn't do it then the surname usually does

"Stephen Ferris" would not be a daily communicant or own rosary beads I would safely say ;D

Believe it or not but you're wrong on this one. Stephen is a great lad and is a winner.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 11, 2009, 08:44:22 AM
It's a Cork thing apparently:

QuoteDear Editor,
On December 1, 1920, the Auxiliary Division, RIC, Macroom Castle, Cork, 'ordered that all male inhabitants of Macroom and all males passing through Macroom shall not appear in public with their hands in their pockets. Any male infringing this order is liable to be shot on sight'.
It has been the habit of Corkmen to assert a right to keep their hands in their pockets in the presence of British authority figures ever since. The more often it happens the more it should reassure British personages that no harm will come to them, and that, therefore, it is not necessary to shoot Irishmen with deficient deportment.

This may explain why Irish and Munster Rugby star Ronan O'Gara, from Cork, kept his hands in his pockets when he met Queen Elizabeth, from London, recently. Whether the historical basis for O'Gara's stance was part of the IRFU's defence of his actions (Examiner, May 9th) is another matter.

Yours etc,
Niall Meehan

(From Times letter page!)

It may indeed be a Cork thing but I feel Ronan has pretty strong Nationalist views of his own.
I've noticed in telly closeups that he doesn't open his mouth when "Ireland's Call" is being rendered. On the other hand, he gives it welly for the singing of Amhran na bhFiann.
I asked around and was told that he objects to anything other than the national anthem being used to represent the team when games are played in Dublin.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2009, 11:44:00 AM
It may indeed be a Cork thing but I feel Ronan has pretty strong Nationalist views of his own.
I've noticed in telly closeups that he doesn't open his mouth when "Ireland's Call" is being rendered. On the other hand, he gives it welly for the singing of Amhran na bhFiann.
I asked around and was told that he objects to anything other than the national anthem being used to represent the team when games are played in Dublin.

I've noticed that about him too.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2009, 11:44:00 AM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 11, 2009, 08:44:22 AM
It's a Cork thing apparently:

QuoteDear Editor,
On December 1, 1920, the Auxiliary Division, RIC, Macroom Castle, Cork, 'ordered that all male inhabitants of Macroom and all males passing through Macroom shall not appear in public with their hands in their pockets. Any male infringing this order is liable to be shot on sight'.
It has been the habit of Corkmen to assert a right to keep their hands in their pockets in the presence of British authority figures ever since. The more often it happens the more it should reassure British personages that no harm will come to them, and that, therefore, it is not necessary to shoot Irishmen with deficient deportment.

This may explain why Irish and Munster Rugby star Ronan O'Gara, from Cork, kept his hands in his pockets when he met Queen Elizabeth, from London, recently. Whether the historical basis for O'Gara's stance was part of the IRFU's defence of his actions (Examiner, May 9th) is another matter.

Yours etc,
Niall Meehan

(From Times letter page!)

It may indeed be a Cork thing but I feel Ronan has pretty strong Nationalist views of his own.
I've noticed in telly closeups that he doesn't open his mouth when "Ireland's Call" is being rendered. On the other hand, he gives it welly for the singing of Amhran na bhFiann.
I asked around and was told that he objects to anything other than the national anthem being used to represent the team when games are played in Dublin.

Yes, bit that's not a huge deal - there would be plenty of Northern based players that wouldn't have opened their mouth but gave it welly for Irelands Call. It's why there is two anthems

Quote from: stephenite on May 11, 2009, 11:57:11 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2009, 11:44:00 AM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 11, 2009, 08:44:22 AM
It's a Cork thing apparently:

QuoteDear Editor,
On December 1, 1920, the Auxiliary Division, RIC, Macroom Castle, Cork, 'ordered that all male inhabitants of Macroom and all males passing through Macroom shall not appear in public with their hands in their pockets. Any male infringing this order is liable to be shot on sight'.
It has been the habit of Corkmen to assert a right to keep their hands in their pockets in the presence of British authority figures ever since. The more often it happens the more it should reassure British personages that no harm will come to them, and that, therefore, it is not necessary to shoot Irishmen with deficient deportment.

This may explain why Irish and Munster Rugby star Ronan O'Gara, from Cork, kept his hands in his pockets when he met Queen Elizabeth, from London, recently. Whether the historical basis for O'Gara's stance was part of the IRFU's defence of his actions (Examiner, May 9th) is another matter.

Yours etc,
Niall Meehan

(From Times letter page!)

It may indeed be a Cork thing but I feel Ronan has pretty strong Nationalist views of his own.
I've noticed in telly closeups that he doesn't open his mouth when "Ireland's Call" is being rendered. On the other hand, he gives it welly for the singing of Amhran na bhFiann.
I asked around and was told that he objects to anything other than the national anthem being used to represent the team when games are played in Dublin.

Yes, bit that's not a huge deal - there would be plenty of Northern based players that wouldn't have opened their mouth but gave it welly for Irelands Call. It's why there is two anthems

I don't think that it is why there are two anthems at all.  There is one anthem for the team and an additional one (ie the SS)  for some strange protocol reasons when playing in the Republic. 

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 01:08:42 PM

Quote from: stephenite on May 11, 2009, 11:57:11 AM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2009, 11:44:00 AM

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 11, 2009, 08:44:22 AM
It's a Cork thing apparently:

QuoteDear Editor,
On December 1, 1920, the Auxiliary Division, RIC, Macroom Castle, Cork, 'ordered that all male inhabitants of Macroom and all males passing through Macroom shall not appear in public with their hands in their pockets. Any male infringing this order is liable to be shot on sight'.
It has been the habit of Corkmen to assert a right to keep their hands in their pockets in the presence of British authority figures ever since. The more often it happens the more it should reassure British personages that no harm will come to them, and that, therefore, it is not necessary to shoot Irishmen with deficient deportment.

This may explain why Irish and Munster Rugby star Ronan O'Gara, from Cork, kept his hands in his pockets when he met Queen Elizabeth, from London, recently. Whether the historical basis for O'Gara's stance was part of the IRFU's defence of his actions (Examiner, May 9th) is another matter.

Yours etc,
Niall Meehan

(From Times letter page!)

It may indeed be a Cork thing but I feel Ronan has pretty strong Nationalist views of his own.
I've noticed in telly closeups that he doesn't open his mouth when "Ireland's Call" is being rendered. On the other hand, he gives it welly for the singing of Amhran na bhFiann.
I asked around and was told that he objects to anything other than the national anthem being used to represent the team when games are played in Dublin.

Yes, bit that's not a huge deal - there would be plenty of Northern based players that wouldn't have opened their mouth but gave it welly for Irelands Call. It's why there is two anthems

I don't think that it is why there are two anthems at all.  There is one anthem for the team and an additional one (ie the SS)  for some strange protocol reasons when playing in the Republic. 

Or possibly, just possibly, the reason for playing Amhran na bhFiann is because it is the national anthem of Ireland - and Ireland's Call is the PC anthem played 'for some strange protocol reasons'....????  ::)

Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Or possibly, just possibly, the reason for playing Amhran na bhFiann is because it is the national anthem of Ireland - and Ireland's Call is the PC anthem played 'for some strange protocol reasons'....????  ::)

The former is inaccurate and the latter is the reason according to the IRFU. 

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 02:10:51 PM

Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Or possibly, just possibly, the reason for playing Amhran na bhFiann is because it is the national anthem of Ireland - and Ireland's Call is the PC anthem played 'for some strange protocol reasons'....????  ::)

The former is inaccurate and the latter is the reason according to the IRFU. 

Are you the most oppressed person in the world roger?

Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2009, 02:24:04 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 02:10:51 PM

Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Or possibly, just possibly, the reason for playing Amhran na bhFiann is because it is the national anthem of Ireland - and Ireland's Call is the PC anthem played 'for some strange protocol reasons'....????  ::)

The former is inaccurate and the latter is the reason according to the IRFU. 

Are you the most oppressed person in the world roger?

Absolutely not.  I don't feel oppressed at all.

There's people on here seem to think I'm some sort of oppressor though. 

Probably not an opppressor as you're days of oppressing are over but definently very bitter and obsessed with what your perceived enemy is doing.

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 02:10:51 PM

Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Or possibly, just possibly, the reason for playing Amhran na bhFiann is because it is the national anthem of Ireland - and Ireland's Call is the PC anthem played 'for some strange protocol reasons'....????  ::)

The former is inaccurate and the latter is the reason according to the IRFU. 

In what way is is the former inaccurate??

An could you please show me some IRFU literature where it shows that they play Amhran na bhFiann at home internationals 'for some strange protocol reasons'.

Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2009, 02:56:57 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 02:10:51 PM

Quote from: Franko on May 11, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Or possibly, just possibly, the reason for playing Amhran na bhFiann is because it is the national anthem of Ireland - and Ireland's Call is the PC anthem played 'for some strange protocol reasons'....????  ::)

The former is inaccurate and the latter is the reason according to the IRFU. 

In what way is is the former inaccurate??

It is not the national anthem of the whole of Ireland but only the Republic of Ireland state. 

QuoteAn could you please show me some IRFU literature where it shows that they play Amhran na bhFiann at home internationals 'for some strange protocol reasons'.

If it wasn't protocol then why not play it when outside the Republic of Ireland? Simply because that anthem doesn't represent the team.  The IRFU is dancing around the Political sensitivities in the Republic on this but they came out with a statement on this 2 years ago when a match was played in Belfast (ie the state where the SS is not the national anthem) and the anthem issue needed clarified.  Have a quick google on it and I'm sure it'll turn up.  Bizarrely the statement botched the whole the thing and inferred that Belfast wasn't in Ireland. 

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
.  The IRFU is dancing around the Political sensitivities in the Republic on this . 

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...FFS there arent any political sensitivities about A na bhF in the 26 Cos.( Other than Laochra Fáil vs Fianna Fáil )
The IRFU have been playing it at L  R since 1931.
The "political sensitivities" are up your way Roger where 55% of the population dont accept A na bhF as their National Anthem.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2009, 03:34:17 PM

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
.  The IRFU is dancing around the Political sensitivities in the Republic on this . 

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...FFS there arent any political sensitivities about A na bhF in the 26 Cos.( Other than Laochra Fáil vs Fianna Fáil )
The IRFU have been playing it at L  R since 1931.
The "political sensitivities" are up your way Roger where 55% of the population dont accept A na bhF as their National Anthem.

Yet again more moronic nonsense from you.  You clearly don't understand the topics you rant about.  The sensitivities within the IRFU are within the Republic, where dropping the SS in the Republic is a problem and playing of GSTQ in Northern Ireland is a problem. Hence the IRFU danced all around this and made a balls up of it even stating that the protocol is to play the SS 'in Ireland' and therefore inferring that Belfast isn't in Ireland.  The correct thing at an Ireland game is not to play either or both state anthems at all or else just play the team anthem. Personally I'd go for playing nothing.

Amazing ...if you disagree with Roger its "moronic nonsense" and "ranting"
The only place where there are "sensitivities" about anthems is in the 6 North Eastern counties.
Some Rugbyites  from there didnt like standing for A na bhF at away games so Ireland's Call was invented to placate them. Then to avoid upsetting 95% of the team by playing the Lizzie Windsor dirge at an International in Ravenhill the IRFU skipped around  that sensitivity by saying Belfast was a foreign place.

Roger -- on a personal note ...a little less arrogance when disagreeing with someone wouldnt go astray . You wouldnt want the denizens of this Board having their beliefs in Unionist arrogance strengthened now would you  ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2009, 04:23:31 PM
Amazing ...if you disagree with Roger its "moronic nonsense" and "ranting"
The only place where there are "sensitivities" about anthems is in the 6 North Eastern counties.
Some Rugbyites  from there didnt like standing for A na bhF at away games so Ireland's Call was invented to placate them. Then to avoid upsetting 95% of the team by playing the Lizzie Windsor dirge at an International in Ravenhill the IRFU skipped around  that sensitivity by saying Belfast was a foreign place.

Roger -- on a personal note ...a little less arrogance when disagreeing with someone wouldnt go astray . You wouldnt want the denizens of this Board having their beliefs in Unionist arrogance strengthened now would you  ;)

There is no arrogance involved here. We are not discussing about what we think should be the Political anthem of Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland and I am also not talking about disagreeing with you.  The policy is there to be seen from the IRFU and it was all to do with the sensitivities of those from the Republic when having to consider playing the host-state anthem in Northern Ireland. You are talking about a policy that you clearly don't know about and using your own Political opinion and applying it to the IRFU. The sensitivities within the IRFU about anthems have largely if not exclusively been within those from the Republic. 

Quote from: Roger on May 11, 2009, 04:32:28 PM
[The policy is there to be seen from the IRFU and it was all to do with the sensitivities of those from the Republic when having to consider playing the host-state anthem in Northern Ireland.

Ireland's call was on the go for many years before there was a rugby international played in Belfast.
It was introduced to take into account the sensivities of some people from NEIreland who didnt like standing to attention for A na bhF when outside the 26 Cos.
The Belfast "foreign international" sensivities only arose some years later.

The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

:D :D

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

But what about the people in the south who regard the flag and anthem as the flag and anthem of their country, Ireland. The rugby team represents Ireland, and people from the six counties are entitled to play if they wish and if they are picked. Legends like Trevor Ringland, a noted unionist, was proud to play for the country and didnt mind the anthem and flag. Many many others didnt complain. The first to complain and make a fuss was the nut job Tweed. Why we pandered to him is a mystery. If it upset him that much, he didnt have to play - but he did. No going back now though, as to do it now would be an insult to unionists

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

I think there might be something in this. Could we ask those from the Nationalist community (as it seems to exclude southerners) to decide what would be their 32 county flag and their 32 county Anthem? We could then play it, offend Unionists and agree to withdraw it while reinstating 'Shoving Connie' and the tricolour as a compromise.

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 09:16:28 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

:D

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 09:16:28 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

Democratic Unionist Nationalist Party or DUNP. I like it.

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 09:16:28 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

You should get out more. There's a whole big world outside. TSS - as in the 'Soldier's Song'. Yeah, yeah, I know it's A Soldier's Song, strictly speaking, but I'm trying not to refer to it as ASS. I refuse to refer to it in its Irish form as firstly, the song was written in English to be sung in English. Secondly, like 99% of the country I don't speak Irish, so why pretend? Personally, I'm secure enough in my own identity not to need the Paddy Irishman stuff, but you carry on if it floats your boat. Slan.  ;)

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 09:54:39 PM

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 09:16:28 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

You should get out more. There's a whole big world outside. TSS - as in the 'Soldier's Song'. Yeah, yeah, I know it's A Soldier's Song, strictly speaking, but I'm trying not to refer to it as ASS. I refuse to refer to it in its Irish form as firstly, the song was written in English to be sung in English. Secondly, like 99% of the country I don't speak Irish, so why pretend? Personally, I'm secure enough in my own identity not to need the Paddy Irishman stuff, but you carry on if it floats your boat. Slan.  ;)

What, you mean like going onto sports websites I've no interest in, and making a fool of myself? Aye, I must get out more.

Mind the door doesn't slap your arse on the way out...

Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2009, 08:19:20 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

But what about the people in the south who regard the flag and anthem as the flag and anthem of their country, Ireland. The rugby team represents Ireland, and people from the six counties are entitled to play if they wish and if they are picked.

Irish rugby players are all entitled to play for Ireland if they are eligible under IRB rules, good enough and selected. It has f**k all to do with Political opinion or anthem preference. 

QuoteLegends like Trevor Ringland, a noted unionist, was proud to play for the country and didnt mind the anthem and flag. Many many others didnt complain. The first to complain and make a fuss was the nut job Tweed. Why we pandered to him is a mystery. If it upset him that much, he didnt have to play - but he did. No going back now though, as to do it now would be an insult to unionists

Who is we and when did 'you' pander to him and with what?

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 11:09:55 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 09:54:39 PM

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 09:16:28 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

You should get out more. There's a whole big world outside. TSS - as in the 'Soldier's Song'. Yeah, yeah, I know it's A Soldier's Song, strictly speaking, but I'm trying not to refer to it as ASS. I refuse to refer to it in its Irish form as firstly, the song was written in English to be sung in English. Secondly, like 99% of the country I don't speak Irish, so why pretend? Personally, I'm secure enough in my own identity not to need the Paddy Irishman stuff, but you carry on if it floats your boat. Slan.  ;)

What, you mean like going onto sports websites I've no interest in, and making a fool of myself? Aye, I must get out more.

Mind the door doesn't slap your arse on the way out...

No, I mean like going out more, actually through the door, that kind of thing. Meet a few people outside your own wee republican circle, people who don't always conform to your stereotype.

Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2009, 08:19:20 PM
But what about the people in the south who regard the flag and anthem as the flag and anthem of their country, Ireland. The rugby team represents Ireland, and people from the six counties are entitled to play if they wish and if they are picked

A couple of points on that.  You are factually correct to some extent.  

However, the country "Ireland" as defined in the constitution is the 26-counties.  The amendement from 1998 recognises that Northern Ireland is a separate state.  Articles 2 and 3 which extended that definitiion of "Ireland" to include the 6 counties was removed.  Given that people (bar some republicans) accept our constitution and the GFA was given an overwhelming majority I think we can take it as acceptable to recognise that an All-Ireland team goes beyond the particular jurisdiction of "Ireland" that the flag and anthem apply to.

You may personally believe the anthem and tricolour apply to some 32-County entity/country/terrority (and indeed believe that so do a majority of people on the island).  But, it is only a belief.  The legal, constitutional position as voted on by an All-Island majority is clear.

Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2009, 08:19:20 PM
Legends like Trevor Ringland, a noted unionist, was proud to play for the country and didnt mind the anthem and flag. Many many others didnt complain

No doubt, but they would have been within their rights to complain.  

Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2009, 08:19:20 PM
The first to complain and make a fuss was the nut job Tweed. Why we pandered to him is a mystery. If it upset him that much, he didnt have to play - but he did. No going back now though, as to do it now would be an insult to unionists

Again, correct to an extent:  Tweed is a nut job.  That said, I wouldn't give him the credit for Ireland's Call.  It seems to be retrospectively assigned to him, given his arrival on the scene at the same time and his widely known political views.  However, the whole anthem thing was being discussed from 87 onwards with the World Cup meaning Ireland were playing more away games.  Was the "Rose of Tralee" and "Danny Boy" not used in this context?  This predated Mr. Tweed's involvement with the Irish set-up.

Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2009, 08:19:20 PM
No going back now though, as to do it now would be an insult to unionists

Agreed.  I would go further and ditch God Save the Queen and Amhrán na bhFiann from all All-Ireland rugby team contexts.  To be honest I'd be happy to extend that policy to all sports.  

One thing:  It actually fascinates me that republicans do not agree with this.  Surely to get as many things organised on an All-Ireland basis (sports, cultural events etc...) would be a much better achievement towards a 32-County ideal than adopting an uncompromising attitude to a one-verse song?

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 12, 2009, 07:14:37 AM
No, I mean like going out more, actually through the door, that kind of thing. Meet a few people outside your own wee republican circle, people who don't always conform to your stereotype.

Oh you're back again? Okay, saying that we're talking about stereotypes, prehaps you would like to point out what I have said on this thread that makes you think I and all my firends republicans?

QuoteOne thing:  It actually fascinates me that republicans do not agree with this.  Surely to get as many things organised on an All-Ireland basis (sports, cultural events etc...) would be a much better achievement towards a 32-County ideal than adopting an uncompromising attitude to a one-verse song?

I must agree with you there, Jim.
Since the days of Partition and before, it has been official IRFU policy to regard the island as a single unit and to maintain and promote the game of Rugby on that basis.
At a meeting of the IRFU Council in 1926, (I think) what had been happening in practice for many years became part of official policy.
This is all the more surprising in light of the fact that the game was extremely elitist at that time and that the vast majority of those involved must have been very pro-British and anti-Republican in political matters. 
It may be a surprise to some but the IRFU has striven to live up to its remit since then and the Border and any other matter of a political or religious nature is firmly sidelined.
I could well believe that Unionist and Republican could co-exist and co-operate without hassle if both adhered to the ethos of Rugby. They could very well knock f**k out of each other in private and nobody in officialdom would bat the proverbial eyelid as long as their differences did not spill over into rugby affairs.
When the above-mentioned Davy Tweed was involved in a Loyalist demonstration and was pictured on top of a barricade, waving a Union Jack, sometime in the early 90s I think, the IRFU were quick to rebuke him.
I was told sometime afterwards by a member of the Ulster council that Tweed was free to do as he pleased in his personal life as long as he brought no discredit on the game. At the time of the protest he was strongly identified in the public eye with the Irish team, although his international career was over by then and was still active at club level.
I would have no doubt whatsoever that if Ronan O'Gara had contrived to make a political statement by disrespecting the Queen in any way, the IRFU would not have hesitated in taking action.
Personally, I think the matter of him being photographed with his hands in his pockets shouldn't cause anyone to read too much into the fact. If he really wanted to drive home a political point, he could have boycotted the meeting.
This seems to have been an informal meeting and probably ROG had been waiting in line for some time to shake hands. If I had a skinful of free booze inside me at the time, I'd not have been too hung up about protocol either.
Since the IRFU has not seen fit to comment, I don't think either the Queen or the player will be losing any sleep over the meeting either. 

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
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I would have no doubt whatsoever that if Ronan O'Gara had contrived to make a political statement by disrespecting the Queen in any way, the IRFU would not have hesitated in taking action.
Personally, I think the matter of him being photographed with his hands in his pockets shouldn't cause anyone to read too much into the fact. If he really wanted to drive home a political point, he could have boycotted the meeting.

If an Irishman wants to go about in his own Country with his hands in his pockets that's his right as an Irish Citizen  no matter what foreign Head of State might be passing through the room.

Quote from: ludermor on May 11, 2009, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

:D :D

Why laugh, I think this is sad.

Quote from: Donagh on May 11, 2009, 09:16:28 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
The Ireland rugby team doesn't represent a political state, it represents the 4 provincial branches that make up the IRFU. The only correct representational symbols are the IRFU flag and Ireland's Call. TSS shouldn't be played in Dublin because the team is not a 26 county representative side. If the President is on hand - is she ever not? - it would be perfectly correct to play the President's Salute, then get on with it. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

What "community" is that - the Ulster nationalists of the DUP? I've never met an Irish nationalist would is irritated by the flag of the Irish Republic. What is "TSS" btw?

The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

I'm sure the DUP would say they're Ulster men and women. Albeit, the 6 county kind ;)

Quote from: ziggysego on May 12, 2009, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

I'm sure the DUP would say they're Ulster men and women. Albeit, the 6 county kind ;)

Yes. 

Does that make them nationalists? ???

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on May 12, 2009, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

I'm sure the DUP would say they're Ulster men and women. Albeit, the 6 county kind ;)

Yes. 

Does that make them nationalists? ???

Look up Ulster nationalism, it'll enlighten you. They are surely at least British nationalists anyway?

Letter in todays Indo

Tuesday May 12 2009

Reading the hoo ha about Ronan O'Gara's stance before the British queen reminds me that, when I was a boy, every second home international used to be played in Belfast and the British anthem used to be played.
One year Tom Clifford, the great forward from the Young Munster club, danced a jig during the anthem.
The loyal gentlemen of the IRFU were enraged and needless to say he was never picked again.
However, the upshot was that public opinion prevailed and all games are played in Dublin where due respect is given to the national anthem and flag.
God bless Ronan O'Gara. I hope he will not suffer the same fate as Clifford.

Brian P O Cinneide
Essenwood Road, Durban

Quote from: stibhan on May 12, 2009, 03:21:23 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on May 12, 2009, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

I'm sure the DUP would say they're Ulster men and women. Albeit, the 6 county kind ;)

Yes. 

Does that make them nationalists? ???

Look up Ulster nationalism, it'll enlighten you. They are surely at least British nationalists anyway?

I know what Ulster nationalism is - I was seeing if Ziggy did.

OK, fair enough, I will give you that they could be defined as British Nationalists :)

Quote from: Declan on May 12, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Letter in todays Indo

Tuesday May 12 2009

Reading the hoo ha about Ronan O'Gara's stance before the British queen reminds me that, when I was a boy, every second home international used to be played in Belfast and the British anthem used to be played.
One year Tom Clifford, the great forward from the Young Munster club, danced a jig during the anthem.
The loyal gentlemen of the IRFU were enraged and needless to say he was never picked again.
However, the upshot was that public opinion prevailed and all games are played in Dublin where due respect is given to the national anthem and flag.
God bless Ronan O'Gara. I hope he will not suffer the same fate as Clifford.

Brian P O Cinneide
Essenwood Road, Durban

I remember that nice man Tommy Wright who did goals for our wee country do same in Lansdowne Road for playing of Amhrán na bhFiann

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:31:45 PM

Quote from: stibhan on May 12, 2009, 03:21:23 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on May 12, 2009, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

I'm sure the DUP would say they're Ulster men and women. Albeit, the 6 county kind ;)

Yes. 

Does that make them nationalists? ???

Look up Ulster nationalism, it'll enlighten you. They are surely at least British nationalists anyway?

I know what Ulster nationalism is - I was seeing if Ziggy did.

OK, fair enough, I will give you that they could be defined as British Nationalists :)

I do and I did ;)

Anyway, the DUP are a strange bunch.

Ian's daughter had her own show on RTE and Ian Og's married to the daughter of a man he's heard of ;)

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

And the NAZIs were socialists  ::)

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:31:45 PM

Quote from: stibhan on May 12, 2009, 03:21:23 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on May 12, 2009, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: Tonto on May 12, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
The DUP aren't nationalists, Ulster or otherwise.

The clue is in their title. ::)

I'm sure the DUP would say they're Ulster men and women. Albeit, the 6 county kind ;)

Yes. 

Does that make them nationalists? ???

Look up Ulster nationalism, it'll enlighten you. They are surely at least British nationalists anyway?

I know what Ulster nationalism is - I was seeing if Ziggy did.

OK, fair enough, I will give you that they could be defined as British Nationalists :)

Yes, they could be, but it's based on the erronerous assumption that a British nation exists, culturally anyway. 'UKanian' nationalists is probably a better term anyway.

Quote from: Donagh on May 12, 2009, 09:39:44 AM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 12, 2009, 07:14:37 AM
No, I mean like going out more, actually through the door, that kind of thing. Meet a few people outside your own wee republican circle, people who don't always conform to your stereotype.

Oh you're back again? Okay, saying that we're talking about stereotypes, prehaps you would like to point out what I have said on this thread that makes you think I and all my firends republicans?

I never mentioned this thread in particular. If you don't want to be considered a republican, maybe you shouldn't reference OSF websites on your profile.  ;)

Quote from: stew on May 12, 2009, 02:25:33 PM

Quote from: ludermor on May 11, 2009, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

:D :D

Why laugh, I think this is sad.

I was laughing at the US , do you think Myles is nationalist? Do you know one other person who shares his views?

Quote from: stibhan on May 12, 2009, 04:37:04 PM
[the erronerous assumption that a British nation exists, culturally anyway. 'UKanian' nationalists is probably a better term anyway.

How about YUKISH ?  ;D

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 12, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
I never mentioned this thread in particular. If you don't want to be considered a republican, maybe you shouldn't reference OSF websites on your profile.  ;)

I didn't say I didn't want to be considered a republican I asked you to justify the sterotype you present. If you like I could have a go at sterotyping you?

I don't what OSF is but the only website on my signature is one I constructed myself and has been down for a while now.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2009, 02:18:15 PM

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
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I would have no doubt whatsoever that if Ronan O'Gara had contrived to make a political statement by disrespecting the Queen in any way, the IRFU would not have hesitated in taking action.
Personally, I think the matter of him being photographed with his hands in his pockets shouldn't cause anyone to read too much into the fact. If he really wanted to drive home a political point, he could have boycotted the meeting.

If an Irishman wants to go about in his own Country with his hands in his pockets that's his right as an Irish Citizen  no matter what foreign Head of State might be passing through the room.

Brilliant :D

Quote from: Declan on May 12, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Letter in todays Indo

Tuesday May 12 2009

Reading the hoo ha about Ronan O'Gara's stance before the British queen reminds me that, when I was a boy, every second home international used to be played in Belfast and the British anthem used to be played.
One year Tom Clifford, the great forward from the Young Munster club, danced a jig during the anthem.
The loyal gentlemen of the IRFU were enraged and needless to say he was never picked again.
However, the upshot was that public opinion prevailed and all games are played in Dublin where due respect is given to the national anthem and flag.
God bless Ronan O'Gara. I hope he will not suffer the same fate as Clifford.

Brian P O Cinneide
Essenwood Road, Durban

My, my, revealing sentence from oul Brian there.

"Public opinion" is public opinion in the Republic only.

And proper order seems to be the RoI's anthem and flag being respected, with the opposite accorded to the UK's.

This sort of southern nationalist chauvinism is unfortuately a driving factor for some decisions by all-Ireland sporting bodies.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2009, 04:23:31 PM
Some Rugbyites  from there didnt like standing for A na bhF at away games so Ireland's Call was invented to placate them.

Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2009, 05:38:43 PM
Ireland's call was on the go for many years before there was a rugby international played in Belfast.
It was introduced to take into account the sensivities of some people from NEIreland who didnt like standing to attention for A na bhF when outside the 26 Cos.

Wrong, wrong, wrong - A na bhF was never played at away games, given that away game (surprise surprise) don't take place in the Republic of Ireland.

Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 12, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
Since the IRFU has not seen fit to comment, I don't think either the Queen or the player will be losing any sleep over the meeting either. 

I'm supportive of our monarchy and not very supportive of the performances of O'Gara for Ireland.  I wish he would play better for Ireland and never seek an English performance against us. However, this is correct and really much ado about nothing and nothing to do with rugby.  The guy was there, being recieved with honour that he and his team mates deserved.  Hands in pockets, who cares?  I'll bet HRH doesn't.  The thread started correctly in a sort of humourous caption type way.  For me, that's the story here.

Quote from: ludermor on May 12, 2009, 07:34:22 PM

Quote from: stew on May 12, 2009, 02:25:33 PM

Quote from: ludermor on May 11, 2009, 07:53:35 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 11, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
. Playing the TSS is not only disrespectful towards people from the unionist tradition, it also irritates those of us from the nationalist community who regard TSS and the tricolour as free state emblems.

:D :D

Why laugh, I think this is sad.

I was laughing at the US , do you think Myles is nationalist? Do you know one other person who shares his views?

Seriously? You don't know one other person who believes in the creation of a 32 county state outside the UK?  :o

Quote from: Donagh on May 12, 2009, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 12, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
I never mentioned this thread in particular. If you don't want to be considered a republican, maybe you shouldn't reference OSF websites on your profile.  ;)

I didn't say I didn't want to be considered a republican I asked you to justify the sterotype you present. If you like I could have a go at sterotyping you?

I don't what OSF is but the only website on my signature is one I constructed myself and has been down for a while now.

I didn't stereotype you, I stated that you were a republican, which you you've just said you're happy with. The website you constructed shares a name with one put up by Ogra Sinn Fein - this one, in fact:
http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/08/north-armagh-shoot-to-kill-25th.html

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 13, 2009, 07:15:43 AM
I didn't stereotype you, I stated that you were a republican, which you you've just said you're happy with. The website you constructed shares a name with one put up by Ogra Sinn Fein - this one, in fact:
http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/08/north-armagh-shoot-to-kill-25th.html

f**k this is like trying to debate with a five year old - you really are very dim aren't you?  ::)  Forget about it...

Quote from: MW on May 12, 2009, 11:52:34 PM
And proper order seems to be the RoI's anthem and flag being respected, with the opposite accorded to the UK's.
bodies.

What is the UK's national anthem?

Quote from: Donagh on May 13, 2009, 08:59:25 AM

Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 13, 2009, 07:15:43 AM
I didn't stereotype you, I stated that you were a republican, which you you've just said you're happy with. The website you constructed shares a name with one put up by Ogra Sinn Fein - this one, in fact:
http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/08/north-armagh-shoot-to-kill-25th.html

f**k this is like trying to debate with a five year old - you really are very dim aren't you?  ::)  Forget about it...

Already forgotten, Socrates.  ;)

Quote from: full back on May 13, 2009, 09:02:36 AM

Quote from: MW on May 12, 2009, 11:52:34 PM
And proper order seems to be the RoI's anthem and flag being respected, with the opposite accorded to the UK's.
bodies.

What is the UK's national anthem?

You already know the answer to that question, so I don't know why you've asked it.

Hmmm....Kevin Myers is fierce upset about it all:

QuoteIT'S simple. Ronan O'Gara is a lout.

Either he kept his hands in his pockets when he met Queen Elizabeth because he was unaware that no gentlemen ever keeps his hands in his pockets when he is meeting anyone -- whether t**ker, tart or toff -- which means that he is a lout. Or that he went up to Belfast, freely and of his own accord, and very deliberately kept his hands in his pockets in her presence, in order to establish some political point. Which also means that he is a lout.

And those bigoted midgets who have applauded him for his bad manners have merely shown that they are louts also.

Some things are important. You do not insult the flag of another country, and you do not show disrespect for its head of state.

The English captain Martin Johnson showed such disrespect to the President at Lansdowne Road by refusing to stand closer to the presidential red carpet, thereby making her walk over to him to shake his hand. Whether he did so accidentally or deliberately is irrelevant. He should have been publicly rebuked by the English Rugby Union and forced to apologise. He wasn't and he didn't. He is a lout also.

What he did was a serious breach of international protocol. But this should not have set a standard of Anglo-Hibernian bad manners to which Ronan O'Gara then uniquely adhered. (After all, no other Irish player felt the need to behave like him). Which means, if intentional, he went 300 miles to insult the sovereign of a friendly power. How heroic.

Which brings us to the tiresome issue, YET AGAIN, of ourselves and the British monarchy. Frankly, I am bored out of my skull with this pathetic, infantile obsession about Ireland not being British and therefore we don't invite the Queen (yes, that's deliberate) to this country. Only nationalist dwarves accept that argument. If she can visit Germany, whose cities were laid waste in her lifetime, with tens of thousands of civilians being slaughtered in their homes by an air force whose commander in chief was her father, then she can surely visit Ireland.

This issue has all the hallmarks of a very stupid family row. We know that the vast majority of Irish people use the term "the Queen" when describing the monarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Even Seamus Heaney wrote that in his family they never raised a glass to toast the Queen: yes, his capital letter.

The largest immigrant group in Ireland is British. For decades, the largest immigrant group in Britain was Irish. The laws of Ireland are based on English common law, and Irish barristers wear black in mourning for Queen Anne (died 1714). I could go on. So could you. This is because we all know the fundamental truths of this issue.

The culmination of next's season rugby championship will also see the 70th anniversary of the commissioning of Michael Floud Blaney, a Catholic and nationalist from Newry, and a graduate of UCD, into the Royal Engineers. He was rushed through a mine-defusing course, becoming one of the first of the new generation of bomb-disposals officers.

In September 1940, an unexploded German bomb in East London was paralysing traffic and preventing thousands of workers from doing vital war-duties. Captain Blaney volunteered to defuse the bomb, and working alone -- a method he pioneered -- he succeeded.

A month later, a new type of bomb was found in London. Fitted with two very dangerous time fuses, its sole purpose was to kill bomb-disposals officers like him. However, it was causing major economic dislocation and had to be tackled.

Again he volunteered to defuse it alone. He was successful. Then, a fortnight before Christmas, just after his 30th birthday, Captain Blaney was called to deal with another bomb. It had lain unexploded for several days, and was causing huge economic disruption. As usual he crawled unaccompanied into the crater, and while he worked on it the bomb exploded.

KING George VI -- the father of the woman in whose company Ronan O'Gara thought it appropriate to keep his hands in his pockets -- awarded Captain Michael Floud Blaney a posthumous George Cross, the highest possible British decoration for a soldier not personally present in the face of the enemy.

As Ronan O'Gara travelled North last week to insult -- either intentionally or otherwise -- the Queen, he would have passed Newry Old Chapel Graveyard, where the remains of Captain Michael Floud Blaney GC are buried.

How many people now know of this gallant man in the town where he was born, and where he had once been in charge of the roads department? Not many, I'd guess. Still, it's worth remembering that he used his hands to save life, not insult people.

The ultimate reward of the endeavours of so many Irishmen like him is also known by the name "freedom", beside which two words such as "Grand Slam" or "Ronan O'Gara" do not properly belong.

- Kevin Myers

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 14, 2009, 10:35:16 AM
Hmmm....Kevin Myers is fierce upset about it all:

O'Gara has obviously done something right so if that fcukhead is upset. ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Did Myers get upset when David Trimble called Ireland a pathetic sectarian state?

Anyway, you're an arsehole Myers. The Queen is the single epitome of an occupying force and I applaud Ronan's action.

Jim_Murphy_74, what's your take on O'Gara last week? 

Quote from: Roger on May 14, 2009, 11:17:03 AM
Jim_Murphy_74, what's your take on O'Gara last week? 

I think it's obvious from how I started this thread that I felt it was something of nothing.

It's possible that ROG has a problem with royalty or British royalty I suppose but it seems to me he was "playing it cool" so to speak.  I doubt very much he was trying to score some political point. 

The fact that he discussed his friendship/acquaintance with her grandchildren suggests to me that he was just at ease with the occasion.

Myers is a knobhead of the highest order. 

How the hell does Myers make a living from that jumble of illogical drivel. Our very own Irishman born in Leicester or wherever, talking down to us constantly as if he held the upper ground of reason and logic. Was always surprised that the Irish Times employed him, albeit hidden in the 'An Irishman's  ;) Diary' where serious comment isn't required. No real shock when Sir :D Anthony O'Reilly employed his vision of where we should be to the equally badly named 'Irish Independent'.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 14, 2009, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: Roger on May 14, 2009, 11:17:03 AM
Jim_Murphy_74, what's your take on O'Gara last week? 

I think it's obvious from how I started this thread that I felt it was something of nothing.

It's possible that ROG has a problem with royalty or British royalty I suppose but it seems to me he was "playing it cool" so to speak.  I doubt very much he was trying to score some political point. 

The fact that he discussed his friendship/acquaintance with her grandchildren suggests to me that he was just at ease with the occasion.

Pretty much how I interpreted your original post's intent and how I interpreted O'Gara's posture.  Much ado about nothing.

That is the biggest load of rubbish I have read in a long time. Where in under god did get the connection between ROG and a second world war bomb disposal solider?

I am seriously fed up with this attitude which can only be described as west british coming out from the media in the pale.

We are not her 'subjects' and we live in a class-less society so it is up to ROG how he greets anyone.

We do not and should not have to cow tow to anyone in the world and that includes this drival from a paid mouth piece.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 14, 2009, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: Roger on May 14, 2009, 11:17:03 AM
Jim_Murphy_74, what's your take on O'Gara last week? 

I think it's obvious from how I started this thread that I felt it was something of nothing.

It's possible that ROG has a problem with royalty or British royalty I suppose but it seems to me he was "playing it cool" so to speak.  I doubt very much he was trying to score some political point. 

The fact that he discussed his friendship/acquaintance with her grandchildren suggests to me that he was just at ease with the occasion.

Myers is a knobhead of the highest order. 

Summed up quite perfectly Jim, especially the last bit.

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 14, 2009, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: Roger on May 14, 2009, 11:17:03 AM
Jim_Murphy_74, what's your take on O'Gara last week? 

I think it's obvious from how I started this thread that I felt it was something of nothing.

It's possible that ROG has a problem with royalty or British royalty I suppose but it seems to me he was "playing it cool" so to speak.  I doubt very much he was trying to score some political point. 

The fact that he discussed his friendship/acquaintance with her grandchildren suggests to me that he was just at ease with the occasion.

Myers is a knobhead of the highest order. 

Good writer  - don't know about the last bit - deliberately controversial I'd say and has issues. That's being kind to him.

Quote from: dodo on May 14, 2009, 11:46:27 AM
How the hell does Myers make a living from that jumble of illogical drivel. Our very own Irishman born in Leicester or wherever, talking down to us constantly as if he held the upper ground of reason and logic. Was always surprised that the Irish Times employed him, albeit hidden in the 'An Irishman's  ;) Diary' where serious comment isn't required. No real shock when Sir :D Anthony O'Reilly employed his vision of where we should be to the equally badly named 'Irish Independent'.

I remember well the furore that led to Myers leaving the Irish Times after he railed against unmarried Irish mothers and their "bastard" offspring.  Shortly after he joined the Irish Independent he had a book published about his times as a journalist covering the Troubles in the Seventies.  A good mate of mine, a journalist in a Sunday tabloid, mentioned in passing down the pub that he was interviewing Myers the following week regarding the book.  Remembering that the boul 'Sir' Anthony was himself born 'illegitimate', I jokingly suggested that he asked Myers what he thought of "bastards" now considering he was taking a large salary from one.  Myers - a patronising, pompous English w**ker of the highest order with a reactionary opinion on everything - became uncharacteristically quiet when the question was duly put to him, threw a bit of a strop and refused point-blank to discuss the matter...

Quote from: red hander on May 14, 2009, 06:45:31 PM

Quote from: dodo on May 14, 2009, 11:46:27 AM
How the hell does Myers make a living from that jumble of illogical drivel. Our very own Irishman born in Leicester or wherever, talking down to us constantly as if he held the upper ground of reason and logic. Was always surprised that the Irish Times employed him, albeit hidden in the 'An Irishman's  ;) Diary' where serious comment isn't required. No real shock when Sir :D Anthony O'Reilly employed his vision of where we should be to the equally badly named 'Irish Independent'.

I remember well the furore that led to Myers leaving the Irish Times after he railed against unmarried Irish mothers and their "b**tard" offspring.  Shortly after he joined the Irish Independent he had a book published about his times as a journalist covering the Troubles in the Seventies.  A good mate of mine, a journalist in a Sunday tabloid, mentioned in passing down the pub that he was interviewing Myers the following week regarding the book.  Remembering that the boul 'Sir' Anthony was himself born 'illegitimate', I jokingly suggested that he asked Myers what he thought of "b**tards" now considering he was taking a large salary from one.  Myers - a patronising, pompous English w**ker of the highest order with a reactionary opinion on everything - became uncharacteristically quiet when the question was duly put to him, threw a bit of a strop and refused point-blank to discuss the matter...

Typical of the knobhead, good story though  :D

This photo from another angle makes ROG look more the Walter Raleigh-type than Cork born rebel!


(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8343/fuss.png)

It's difficult to see if the stiffy disappeared though.

Quote from: Roger on May 15, 2009, 03:19:51 PM
It's difficult to see if the stiffy disappeared though.

Why? Was Zara Phillips standing behind her granny?