Ulster Final 2008 - Armagh vs Fermanagh

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Oh and by the way my post earlier last week was way off the mark... that's what I get for trying to be bold. McGrane really dumped my theory with a great performance whilst O'Rourke and Ciaran McKeever were immense also. Armagh will be hard stopped but must still be worried about the amount of chances Fermanagh had and the fact they played woefully up front. I wouldn't fancy them to have another off day like that.

[DUBSFORSAM1]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

[Onion Bag]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Maybe the dubs should try it other way coz they havent had much success in recent years with the so called traditional way, you are out to win, not to look good, "win at all costs"

[DUBSFORSAM1]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Maybe the dubs should try it other way coz they havent had much success in recent years with the so called traditional way, you are out to win, not to look good, "win at all costs"

Well I certainly don't advocate a "win at all costs" approach at all and would certainly not be happy if we tried to play like Fermanagh etc....and we didn't have success in the last couple of years (even if have done better than any Ulster team over last 2 years) it was more due to missing chances than any other fault in my mind...

[corn02]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Maybe the dubs should try it other way coz they havent had much success in recent years with the so called traditional way, you are out to win, not to look good, "win at all costs"

Well I certainly don't advocate a "win at all costs" approach at all and would certainly not be happy if we tried to play like Fermanagh etc....

That's f**king loser talk if I ever heard it.

[DUBSFORSAM1]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Maybe the dubs should try it other way coz they havent had much success in recent years with the so called traditional way, you are out to win, not to look good, "win at all costs"

Well I certainly don't advocate a "win at all costs" approach at all and would certainly not be happy if we tried to play like Fermanagh etc....

That's f**king loser talk if I ever heard it.

You think that if you want....if you want to advocate the diving, cheating, fouling etc and ultra defensive to win football thats your choice....I believe if you want to win you should try and win with style and its the hardest way to win which most teams are incapable of...

[corn02]

No you don't. If Dublin could win dirty you would love it, they just cant. Deny it all you want, but you know it is true.

[bigpaul]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Didn't engage in the debate about the Dublin players,have already said that I won't condemn Stevie and that's about it!
Your use of the phrase 'To my mind' is really what it's all about,I don't like watching games of 'tag' football where no serious tackling or defending take place.I love to see Stevie Mc Donnell delivering the goods,but it's all the better when he has to work for it and uses all his class to overcome the attentions of a top class defender.As I said before,nobody has the copyright on how football should be played,it's all in the rule-book!  

[DUBSFORSAM1]

No you don't. If Dublin could win dirty you would love it, they just cant. Deny it all you want, but you know it is true.

They could win dirty - ie they could have taken Mulligan out totally going through for that goal but thats not how to play....they could have injured Mortimer early but didn't and wouldn't approve either...again if you like that fair enough

[DUBSFORSAM1]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Didn't engage in the debate about the Dublin players,have already said that I won't condemn Stevie and that's about it!
Your use of the phrase 'To my mind' is really what it's all about,I don't like watching games of 'tag' football where no serious tackling or defending take place.I love to see Stevie Mc Donnell delivering the goods,but it's all the better when he has to work for it and uses all his class to overcome the attentions of a top class defender.As I said before,nobody has the copyright on how football should be played,it's all in the rule-book!  

Where did I say I didn't like tackling or defending at all??? The problem is that most teams defenders are poor so that they need to bring back the half forwards etc to cover for the defenders inadequacy...My belief is that in rather than teaching defenders how to defend properly and mark a forward themselves they compensate by getting the half forwards/midfield to drop back so far to cover for them.....and they aren't able to teach forwards to play as forwards and kicking a good score so they use them as defenders.....

[Slapdash]

Congratulations to Armagh, deserving winners on the day.  We have nobody else to blame but ourselves, it is not neccessarily the amount we missed but the relative ease of the chances that is more upsetting to me.  I was glad to see Goan show the defender that he is, he really stood up to the challenge that McDonnell presented him.  OTB made some good points earlier, our confidence seemed to wane with our profligacy.
As for McDonnell goading Gallagher, well TBH he probably deserved it.  I don't think he would behave in that way without provocation.  However, M O'Rourke leaves me with a sour taste every time I see him on a football field.  It is one thing to react to provocation, which invariably you end up regrettting, but to actively seek out and incite a reaction from every opponent you face on a pitch, game in game out is just downright pitiful.  Added to this he throws himself to the ground at the slightest touch and engages in verbals with anyone who is stupid enough to humour him.  When we played Armagh in the McKenna Cup in Jan 2007 up in Lurgan, I left the game with the same sour taste.  I cannot even remember the result of the game as the overriding feeling was disgust.  Normally I can accept some level of these antics but he really just takes it a step too far for me.
There is no point people looking at the performance of Armagh and discounting them for that sole reason, they came to win and they did just that.  Whoever they play in the Quarters will be an entirely different game.

[time ticking away]

All the feedback I am getting is that Gallagher did not behave in a very gentlemanly way throughout the two matches, but I would still rather Stevie rose above it, if he he felt he couldn't let it go on this occcasion I won't condemn him.The rest of your post is just plain stupid.Who holds the rights on how to 'play football the way it should be played'?The only blueprint for how the game should be played is contained in the rule book.

So what if Gallagher wasn't gentlemanly....that wasn't acceptable an excuse when Dublin players reacted...

To my mind football should be played with forward up front picked for scoring power and defenders picked to defend and not picking 13 athletes who run around and defend and 2 players who can score....it is a spectator sport and boring negative football isn't exactly a source of great long term support

Maybe the dubs should try it other way coz they havent had much success in recent years with the so called traditional way, you are out to win, not to look good, "win at all costs"

Well I certainly don't advocate a "win at all costs" approach at all and would certainly not be happy if we tried to play like Fermanagh etc....

That's f**king loser talk if I ever heard it.

You think that if you want....if you want to advocate the diving, cheating, fouling etc and ultra defensive to win football thats your choice....I believe if you want to win you should try and win with style and its the hardest way to win which most teams are incapable of...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw//

Dublin trying to win with style

[bigpaul]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the 12 starting defenders yesterday could not 'defend'.Did you not see some of the tacklling,did you not see some of the tackling last week? Players do not defend in isolaton, teams defend as units, right from the full-forward line. If one part of the team do not do the job properly then it is impossible to defend. If you look at the tactics employed it is not a case simply of withdrawing players, it is fluid with forwards helping out defenses and defenders helping out attacks (Finnian Moriarty's goal). Your view is symptomatic of the lazy blanket-defense anaysis employed on television this past few years.
On the Mulligan goal-PaulCasey couldn't have caught him with the help of Interpol or the Mafia!

[ExiledGael]

Not a bad assessment Slapdash. Can't say I share your hatred of MOR though. Always thought he was an underrated part of the team, wish we had a few men as ignorant. Was disgusted with McDonnell at the time too, but as you say Gallagher isn't short of a few things to say.
Nothing to say on the game except it was a real let down. Glad to see the team standing out on the pitch to see the Armagh celebrations and recieve the f*cking hip hips. Still an awful lot to play for here and it would be a real shame and a disservice to their ability to just bow out tamely now. We should have more heart than that, and I really think we will bounce back.
PS. Get well Ciaran O'Reilly! And Barry Owens, ligament damage apparently. Hope it doesn't affect his wedding later in the summer, poor lad's had the year from hell (apart from that goal).

[saffron sam2]

All is still relatively well in the world.

Allegations of a spitting incident for the second consecutive week. Anyone else hear this?