Boxing Thread

[GetOverTheBar]

Out of interest what was the odds on Ruiz to win that fight? must have been one of the biggest upsets in recent years.

Think he was 25/1. Joshua was 1/50. Something like that.

[Main Street]

A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling

That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge  to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.

Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.

I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.

[Milltown Row2]

Women's boxing is a poor enough spectacle in fairness.

That's taking nothing away from Katie or the other professional women boxers, it's still early doors with the sport in comparison.

[nrico2006]

It looked a bit to me that Joshua thought he had Ruiz after the knockdown in the 3rd and by being over adventurous got clipped himself and never recovered.

Read there that the WBO heavyweight mandatory is due at the end of Sept and rematch clauses do not trump mandatories.  White is mandatory at the minute.  However is Ruiz vacates WBO to take the rematch, you could end up with White v Usyk for a vacant belt.

Think there is another organisation looking to force their mandatory too, just shows the corrupt nature of the sport or the power certain promoters have when Joshua got a good bit of leeway with the belts yet as soon as Fury won them the IBF stripped him almost immediately and the same now will probably happen with Ruiz Jr.

[MoChara]

Rumours on facebook about AJ

BREAKING:
Anthony Joshua 's father has publicly stated that Joshua suffered a panic attack in his dressing room before the fight, delaying his ring walk. His Father asked Eddie Hearn to call the fight off as Joshua didn't look well and his father felt something was wrong.

Eddie Hearn responded by saying "He will be fine when he get's in the ring"

This is the reason Anthony Joshua's father confronted Hearn in the ring after the fight and words were exchanged.

I've seen alot flying about regarding the confrontation between Eddie and AJs dad and the reason for it is this according to Anthony's father who has spoken to media.

Anthony Joshua was also knocked out in sparring by European champion kabayel who is 19 wins 0 losses days before he fought Ruiz and his father had wanted Hearn to cancel the fight in the days leading up to it but allegedly Hearn talked them in to taking the fight.

Your thoughts..🗣💬

[oakleaflad]

A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling

That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge  to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.

Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.

I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.

That's a very generic overview from The Evening Standard for someone who has no idea how boxing is scored. It's hardly official rules from a governing body. It's also incomplete/incorrect.

As I've stated, you can get 10-8 rounds without a knockdown in boxing. I've seen it happen before.

Pacquiao v De La Hoya
Kovalev v Hopkins

And I think
Mayweather v Gatti
Calzaghe v Lacy

From Wikipedia:

'While uncommon, if a fighter completely dominates a round but does not score a knockdown, a judge can still score that round 10-8'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boxing

[Boycey]

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sports/item/ever-wondered-how-professional-boxing-s-scoring-system-works

A more detailed explanation. My original point back on a previous page was that reluctance to award rounds 10/10 is a bigger issue and I'll stand by that.

[nrico2006]

Rumours on facebook about AJ

BREAKING:
Anthony Joshua 's father has publicly stated that Joshua suffered a panic attack in his dressing room before the fight, delaying his ring walk. His Father asked Eddie Hearn to call the fight off as Joshua didn't look well and his father felt something was wrong.

Eddie Hearn responded by saying "He will be fine when he get's in the ring"

This is the reason Anthony Joshua's father confronted Hearn in the ring after the fight and words were exchanged.

I've seen alot flying about regarding the confrontation between Eddie and AJs dad and the reason for it is this according to Anthony's father who has spoken to media.

Anthony Joshua was also knocked out in sparring by European champion kabayel who is 19 wins 0 losses days before he fought Ruiz and his father had wanted Hearn to cancel the fight in the days leading up to it but allegedly Hearn talked them in to taking the fight.

Your thoughts..🗣💬

Apparently he was dropped in sparring hence the bruise on the face last week which he weirdly blamed on his physio:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/28/anthony-joshua-reveals-got-shiner-ahead-andy-ruiz-jr-showdown-9700282/

The fella that dropped him was Joey Dawejko who was brought in as he had a similar shape to Ruiz Jr.  It would seem to make sense given the reaction of Joshua's da after the fight.  Apparently he had suffered concussion due to the sparring incident and the fight should have been cancelled but wasn't. 

[Itchy]

A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling

That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge  to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.

Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.

I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.

Not an expert in boxing but I don't know what all the excitement is about. I thought Taylor won 5 of the first 6 rounds. She possibly lost the last 4 although I think maybe round 7 was a draw. It was a close fight and it was scored that way. I thought her opponent threw a lot of wild punches and did a lot of pushing which looks great but doesn't and shouldn't score points. Taylor picked her off a lot but not with massive power but clean and accurate. I don't get the controversy to be honest.

[JimStynes]

My thoughts too. I had her winning by 2/3 rounds.

[Boycey]

Would you agree though that enough informed people thought she didn't win? I mean not people like me on here but commentators, journos and ex boxers. Immediately after fight I said I thought Belgian girl was robbed but in hindsight it certainly wasn't the worst decision I ever saw. I don't think there is that much controversy about it? Just a contentious decision that more people disagree with than agree with, it happens in boxing .

[Itchy]

Would you agree though that enough informed people thought she didn't win? I mean not people like me on here but commentators, journos and ex boxers. Immediately after fight I said I thought Belgian girl was robbed but in hindsight it certainly wasn't the worst decision I ever saw. I don't think there is that much controversy about it? Just a contentious decision that more people disagree with than agree with, it happens in boxing .

Yeh that's the odd thing. Andy Lee on offtheball gave a commentary on It that I agree with myself.

[nrico2006]

Would you agree though that enough informed people thought she didn't win? I mean not people like me on here but commentators, journos and ex boxers. Immediately after fight I said I thought Belgian girl was robbed but in hindsight it certainly wasn't the worst decision I ever saw. I don't think there is that much controversy about it? Just a contentious decision that more people disagree with than agree with, it happens in boxing .

Yeh that's the odd thing. Andy Lee on offtheball gave a commentary on It that I agree with myself.

Simple. Have a rematch. Listen to your coach. Utilise your superior boxing and school her. Don't get sucked into a fight. Pace yourself, it's 10 rounds not 3 or 4.

[Main Street]

A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling

That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge  to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.

Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.

I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.

That's a very generic overview from The Evening Standard for someone who has no idea how boxing is scored. It's hardly official rules from a governing body. It's also incomplete/incorrect.

As I've stated, you can get 10-8 rounds without a knockdown in boxing. I've seen it happen before.

Pacquiao v De La Hoya
Kovalev v Hopkins

And I think
Mayweather v Gatti
Calzaghe v Lacy

From Wikipedia:

'While uncommon, if a fighter completely dominates a round but does not score a knockdown, a judge can still score that round 10-8'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boxing

So then if a boxer gets heavily pummeled, they can on rare occasions be docked a point, fair enough. My reference in this thread was the last round of Katie's fight where on the night I would have judged it 10- 8 to the Belgian. It was later reported that Katie got out-punched 28 -10 in the 10th and Persoon's camp are moaning about 10 missing seconds from the start of the round, that had those missing seconds been added on at the end, the ref might have been persuaded to give Katie a standing count, reducing her total score by 3 points.

[Boycey]

You said a couple of times that 10-8 was against the rules Main Street 

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I thought this article from today's Indo suggested that Katie's camp suspect the Belgian girl was drug tainted?
Katie Taylor's drug testing stand means she calls the shots for everyone

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/katie-taylors-drug-testing-stand-means-she-calls-the-shots-for-everyone-38195125.html