Boxing Thread

[gallsman]

f**king Canelo and his catch weights. He was all talk after the Cotto fight how he'd take on all comers at middleweight, ggg included and weight wasn't an issue. Turned round a few days later and went back in it. Title fights shouldn't be allowed at catch weights.

[BennyHarp]

I don't think anyone saw this match up coming. Khans ego and desperation to box a big name could well have landed him in a spot of bother here. As Jim said, by fight night, Alverez will be somewhere near 170 and Khan will do well to withstand any punch that lands clean. Fair play to him though, would be some going if he pulls it off.

[nrico2006]

Apparently the Alvarez GGG fight is set for September, I hope that GGG doesn't stand for any of his catchweight shite either.  As for Khan, he will get knocked out.  He will use the size difference as an excuse when he loses, plenty of fights out there with similar differences in weight and no excuses about that are used.     

[gallsman]

Apparently the Alvarez GGG fight is set for September, I hope that GGG doesn't stand for any of his catchweight shite either.  As for Khan, he will get knocked out.  He will use the size difference as an excuse when he loses, plenty of fights out there with similar differences in weight and no excuses about that are used.     

Jesus christ, the fight is just made and you're already moaning about excuses that Khan will make in the (I agree with you, likely) event he loses. He's a small welter going up against a middleweight, albeit not a particularly big one. I think it's a ballsy move by him and he deserves credit for it, win or lose.

The only thing I can see causing Canelo issues in this fight is Khan's speed (although there's a small enough sample size over the last few years) as Canelo can be somewhat crude at times. Will be interesting too see what kind of shape Khan's in at 155. Otherwise, I think Canelo will just be too big for him. Given what Danny Garcia did to Khan and Khan's inability to resist a scrap, I think a KO is inevitable. As I said though, fair play for taking the fight.

[Mikhail Prokhorov]

Apparently the Alvarez GGG fight is set for September, I hope that GGG doesn't stand for any of his catchweight shite either.  As for Khan, he will get knocked out.  He will use the size difference as an excuse when he loses, plenty of fights out there with similar differences in weight and no excuses about that are used.     

Jesus christ, the fight is just made and you're already moaning about excuses that Khan will make in the (I agree with you, likely) event he loses. He's a small welter going up against a middleweight, albeit not a particularly big one. I think it's a ballsy move by him and he deserves credit for it, win or lose.

The only thing I can see causing Canelo issues in this fight is Khan's speed (although there's a small enough sample size over the last few years) as Canelo can be somewhat crude at times. Will be interesting too see what kind of shape Khan's in at 155. Otherwise, I think Canelo will just be too big for him. Given what Danny Garcia did to Khan and Khan's inability to resist a scrap, I think a KO is inevitable. As I said though, fair play for taking the fight.

khan will weigh 151 max on the night, canelo 170+

[gallsman]

He's obviously going to have to pack on a bit of beef but I can't see Khan turning up in the ring for a fight with a 155 limit at 151. He'll probably weigh in a pound or two below the limit and put a few pounds of water weight back on.

[Walter Cronc]

Explain to me about catch weights lads? Boxing fan but a novice when comes to weights etc.

[gallsman]

There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.

Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.

[Walter Cronc]

There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.

Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.

Cheers Gallsman. Jeez sounds like Canelo is running scared of GGG.

How do you see the Frampton Quigg fighting going? Unfortunately I fancy Quigg for that one. Think he has a better corner than Frampton which could prove crucial.

[omaghjoe]

 
Didnt see this one coming in a million years

Kahn finally gets the fight he wants but his performances of late have done little to deserve a bout like this. So this has left him with a poor hand in negoatioing favourable terms and fighting at this weight (catch weight or not) against a fighter like Canelo is not a good jumping off point for him. Rather than guts, its smacks of desperation to get that big time fight.

He's on to a hiding in a few rounds IMO, Canelo is too strong and too solid a boxer to be troubled by Kahn and as Gallsman pointed his love of a scrap could well be his undoing early. Take a look at Canelo v Kirkland and you can see what he does to guys that come out swinging.

In saying that should be an entertaining fight 

[omaghjoe]

There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.

Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.

Cheers Gallsman. Jeez sounds like Canelo is running scared of GGG.

How do you see the Frampton Quigg fighting going? Unfortunately I fancy Quigg for that one. Think he has a better corner than Frampton which could prove crucial.

Would concur with Gallsman on GGG v Canelo, Tho Golovkin is not just logical challenger he's the mandatory challenger for WBC for about 18months or so.
Tho TBF I dont think its Canelo running scared, he will fight anyone, rather its his team and Oscar de la Hoya in particular trying to avoid that fight until it somehow becomes more favourable to Canelo. The weight thing is more BS in an attempt to try and weaken GGG rather than anything else. Word is Canelo trains and enters the ring heavier than Golovkin, he just has a freaky ability to drain off more weight than your average fighter. Tho catchweight or 160 Golovkin should beat him in 7/8 IMO

[omaghjoe]

On a completely unrelated fight anyone see Kovalev Pascal at the weekend?

A brutal beating if I ever seen one, actually felt sorry for Pascal and I thought he was a decent fighter before Krusher came along.

Hopefully we will see Kovalev Ward before the years out

[Milltown Row2]

There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.

Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.

Cheers Gallsman. Jeez sounds like Canelo is running scared of GGG.

How do you see the Frampton Quigg fighting going? Unfortunately I fancy Quigg for that one. Think he has a better corner than Frampton which could prove crucial.

Not sure what Gallsman take on the Frampton fight but think it will be a lot closer than the bookies make out.... Carl has learned a lot from the fight in America and had he not thought on his feet as he did then he would have lost..... Corner on the day was caught out...it happens, id say they know Quiggs game inside out (as do Quiggs corner on Frampton) so I hope Carl won't make a hash of it....

[BennyHarp]

There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.

Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.

I heard an interview with Andy Lee a few weeks ago when he made a comment about Peter Quillin missing the weight against him on purpose. He didn't elaborate fully but it appeared that he was suggesting that this spate of missed weights and catch weight fights may be orchestrated by Al Haymon to undermine the current governing bodies in a power move to promote his own PBC.

[gallsman]

There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.

Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.

I heard an interview with Andy Lee a few weeks ago when he made a comment about Peter Quillin missing the weight against him on purpose. He didn't elaborate fully but it appeared that he was suggesting that this spate of missed weights and catch weight fights may be orchestrated by Al Haymon to undermine the current governing bodies in a power move to promote his own PBC.

Interesting and no doubt both possible and plausible. There are lads who make no effort at all to make the weight sometimes, secure in the knowledge that the other fighter can't afford to give up the payday and so are happy to forfeit 20%of the purse or whatever it is to get the either advantage. Castillo in the second fight against Corrales was a shocking example of it.