All-Ireland Series Sam Maguire 2026

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JoG2

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2026, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: westbound on July 14, 2026, 12:48:25 PMdid Cawley actually make ANY mistake??

The 3 big disputed calls
- Penalty? Many people think it was a penalty, many people think it wasn't.  Therefore, it's hard to say he definitely made a mistake on this one.
- Square ball goal - definintely a square ball, but sure it's the umpires that should be watching for this? Obviously cawley should be watching it too and maybe he could have called it, but the first responsibilty is with the umpires here 
- 'Ghost goal' - How in the name of all that's holy can the ref be blamed for 'missing' this in real time? With the benefit of replays, still images and 48hours later, it's still not 100%  clear if the ball was over the line or not. You can argue that the umpires should have seen it, but even that is harsh imo. But the ref certainly couldn't call it  from out the field.


I'm no fan of cawleys's but let's be fair to the man too.
Who picked the umpires? Whose team is it?

This week's media topic is goal line cameras, Var or whatnot. I accept that there is an element of it being the Dubs, but that shitshow has no place in an AI SF. Not good enough and I am genuinely asking does Croker feed back to him that it wasnt good enough?

What exactly are people at Croke Pk going to feed back to the man? You think refs don't rewatch the game back and know the mistakes they've made? What should happen to him now, suspension from county games, sacked?? And the ref for the final, makes mistakes, the same? Must be a surplus of refs in Dublin, unlike the rest of the country.

During any given passage of play a dozen other things can be going on, off the ball stuff, players roaring at the ref, lines men talking to the ref about other incidents, players blocking the refs line of sight etc etc....take the ref's course, see how handy it is to not create a 'shitshow'

Baile Brigín 2

I'm asking if the GAA has a formal review mechanism for elite referees like other sports. It's not complicated.


Look-Up!

It is what it is. There's always margin calls in sport. Paul Flynn being very sore on TV is giving it more legs than it really needs. Had the same type decisions favour his team I bet he wouldn't want to talk about it and have a narrative leading up to the final of Dublin getting decisions and putting extra scrutiny on refs.

I thought Dublin harried Kerry very well and forced a lot of turnovers. If Mayo can bring the work rate we've seen in the past, and a bit of that chaos, they certainly have the talent to make it a classic and even end the hoodoo. 

thewobbler

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2026, 03:28:57 PMI'm asking if the GAA has a formal review mechanism for elite referees like other sports. It's not complicated.



And in this instance a formal review would culminate in finding that Cawley got nearly every big call correct, but missed the square ball.

He actually a good game, much as it pains me to say it. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, teams that work harder and chase lost causes tend to seem luckier.

tonto1888

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2026, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: westbound on July 14, 2026, 12:48:25 PMdid Cawley actually make ANY mistake??

The 3 big disputed calls
- Penalty? Many people think it was a penalty, many people think it wasn't.  Therefore, it's hard to say he definitely made a mistake on this one.
- Square ball goal - definintely a square ball, but sure it's the umpires that should be watching for this? Obviously cawley should be watching it too and maybe he could have called it, but the first responsibilty is with the umpires here 
- 'Ghost goal' - How in the name of all that's holy can the ref be blamed for 'missing' this in real time? With the benefit of replays, still images and 48hours later, it's still not 100%  clear if the ball was over the line or not. You can argue that the umpires should have seen it, but even that is harsh imo. But the ref certainly couldn't call it  from out the field.


I'm no fan of cawleys's but let's be fair to the man too.
Who picked the umpires? Whose team is it?

This week's media topic is goal line cameras, Var or whatnot. I accept that there is an element of it being the Dubs, but that shitshow has no place in an AI SF. Not good enough and I am genuinely asking does Croker feed back to him that it wasnt good enough?

do they feed back to all refs? Ref in your game against Galway did not have the best of games? Did he have that fed back? Ref in Tyrone/Kerry game? Why just Cawley?

seafoid

Dublin asked the right questions, but Kerry's game intelligence helped them find all the answers
Ger Brennan's gameplan worked very well in many respects, but it is extremely difficult to shut down all of Kerry's threats
Paul O'Brien
Tue Jul 14 2026 - 13:35

5 MIN READ
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2026/07/14/dublin-asked-the-right-questions-but-kerrys-game-intelligence-helped-them-find-all-the-answers/

Dublin got a lot right in their approach to the semi-final encounter with Kerry, but still came up short with that bit of luck that Jack O'Connor spoke about after. Ger Brennan would have had a number of KPIs they would have chased heading into the game, and it is probably fair to say they achieved a lot of them.

1. David Byrne did an excellent job on David Clifford, who was restricted to 1-5, a scoring return which would be man of the match territory for most, but not Clifford. Byrne kept him under tight reins and commanded that usual "Clifford zone", not allowing him in behind the defence with the frequency he usually does. The outcome of the game could have been different if the brilliant Byrne block down in the 40th minute on Clifford had finished in the back of the net, but Shane Murphy spoiled Con O'Callaghan on the breakaway attack.

2. Dylan Geaney was kept ineffective throughout, with his two meaningful contributions coming from a short kickout won and his two-point effort that dropped short resulting in a goal.

3. Dublin managed to win 11/30 (37%) of Shane Murphy's kickouts and also won 15/21 (71%) of their own, meaning the edged the kickout battle overall.


4. Dublin had two strong streaks on Shane Murphy's kickout, winning five in a row just before and after half time, returning 0-4. However, a similar streak of four between the 57th and 66th minute returned no score. While Dublin won the possession battle on the kickouts, they didn't punish accordingly on the scoreboard.

5. Dublin won the turnover battle too, and then managed to win the shot count 34 to 27.


The problem with Kerry, as Mayo are likely to find out, is they have so many threats and will play the game that is presented to them by the opposition. Their game IQ is really impressive. When Kerry won their penalty, it was interesting to note that Sean O'Shea was holding the ball, allowing all the panic and disruption to diffuse before handing it over to David Clifford, who scored on the rebound. This psychological aspect of penalties and the attention towards them has been particularly evident in the World Cup.


O'Shea was immense throughout the game and his game awareness in possession and his ability to manipulate space across the full width of the attacking 45m zone was evident. He won two advanced marks, converting one when it was brought back for the free in the 15th minute, and brought another out for a superb two-pointer in the 52nd minute.

We saw four advanced marks in the game. Eoin Kennedy and Brian Ó Beaglaoich made the other two, but there is a difference in recognised full-back line men venturing into these attacking zones and the Kenmare man. Neither Kennedy nor Ó Beaglaoich converted.

The 15th minute score came at the end of a possession that lasted almost three minutes, where Paudie Clifford got his hands on ball seven times, O'Shea handled it five times and David Clifford handled it five times - but most importantly he manipulated the space inside for O'Shea The Kenmare man was involved in a lot of the good attacking play on display from Kerry, but he was given considerable freedom to help shape attacks.

O'Shea again showed leadership
.as the clock ticked towards the 35th minute to land a brilliant score to level proceedings, as he worked with David Clifford to expose the space left in behind the Fossa man. Again this space manipulation and understanding is key to everything Kerry do.

Sean O'Shea's score before the first-half hooter was a perfect example of how Kerry can create space.
Sean O'Shea's score before the first-half hooter was a perfect example of how Kerry can create space.
After last years All-Ireland final, the freedom afforded to Paudie Clifford was seen as a mistake by Donegal, but it is very difficult to get hands on him when he is in form. He managed 69 possessions in the game on Sunday and Dublin's structure allowed this, but the movement around him was extremely impressive and coordinated.



The manipulation of the space to empty David's typical corner, and the channels created alongside this, was exploited expertly by Paudie. He was also a pivotal cog around the kickout as he won two at the back of the landing zone and also was the second receiver off the shoulder on another two in the first half, after presenting short first. One of the kickouts won at the back of the break resulted in the O'Shea two pointer, referenced above.


When Dublin did look to push out a bit further on Paudie he retreated out to the zone between the attacking 65m line and the new halfway line, the buffer zone, knowing that it was stretching Dublin inside when they were chasing the game that bit more in the final quarter. The maps above show his adjustment in positioning across that final quarter; he was also back twice getting possession back inside his own 13m line in this period too.

Dropping deeper allowed Paudie Clifford to show his kicking range, after his movement helped create that space inside.

What is an acceptable score to concede off David Clifford? 1-5 is a good day's work for David Byrne, considering the goal came off a penalty rebound, one point was right at the death and another came in the 63rd minute after he was turned over as Dublin men converged on him, but Mark O'Shea recovered immediately and offloaded.

It is important to note, as mentioned above, in terms of space manipulation the impact of his positioning on the performances of O'Shea and brother Paudie Clifford - a clear understanding of the impact of the collective.

David Clifford's movement, and the attention he commands, helps to create space for others.

The Kerry defence must also get praise for the pressure exerted on the Dublin attack. There was a lot of pressure on Dublin shots, despite them often being in good shooting locations. Dublin's accuracy of 18 scores from 34 attempts will gnaw at them, just 52%.

There were differences between the Kerry and Dublin defence. Kerry showed their respect of Niall Scully, as they didn't allow him the time on the ball that was afforded at the other end to Paudie. He didn't have a dedicated marker but Kerry released players out to him to restrict his game influence, which was still meaningful despite the attention he received.


Kerry made a point of paying respect to Niall Scully, understanding his influence on Dublin.

Evan Comerford's quick long kickouts to his right side to Lee Gannon (7th min), Alex Gavin (20th min) and Ciarán Kilkenny (60th min) were all strong attacking kickouts, yet returned no score, despite going over so many Kerry bodies and leaving a Dublin attack facing the goal. Two were rushed in possession. The time difference in possession between Dublin's attacking plays were considerably shorter than Kerry's, as Kerry exerted more composed ball control.


Kerry retreat on 7th minute kickout showing the necessary defensive scramble.
As Andy Moran said in his post-match interview, everyone expects Kerry to win the final, but with Mayo there is always hope when they bring madness. Kerry are unlikely to have as much ball control in the final but that doesn't mean that the damage will be any less as they'll attack based on the gaps that are afforded to them by Mayo.


Paul O'Brien is a performance analyst with The Performance Process

grassHarrow

Quote from: westbound on July 14, 2026, 12:48:25 PMdid Cawley actually make ANY mistake??

The 3 big disputed calls
- Penalty? Many people think it was a penalty, many people think it wasn't.  Therefore, it's hard to say he definitely made a mistake on this one.
- Square ball goal - definintely a square ball, but sure it's the umpires that should be watching for this? Obviously cawley should be watching it too and maybe he could have called it, but the first responsibilty is with the umpires here 
- 'Ghost goal' - How in the name of all that's holy can the ref be blamed for 'missing' this in real time? With the benefit of replays, still images and 48hours later, it's still not 100%  clear if the ball was over the line or not. You can argue that the umpires should have seen it, but even that is harsh imo. But the ref certainly couldn't call it  from out the field.


I'm no fan of cawleys's but let's be fair to the man too.

A little point of information going unnoticed since Sunday....Both Jack & Dr Cian ex Kildare managers ...Who was their ref for in-house games & challenge matches

Wildweasel74

#3472
Think it was a penalty though seen many not given in the same area, seen square balls this yr in games not even talked about. Goal line clearance, who could tell if we lived in a age of no replays, freeze frame. Even with that, we still not sure its all over.

jb77

Seen a couple of crowd clips, Niall Scully was a lucky fella to not even see a black card for his afters

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: tonto1888 on July 14, 2026, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2026, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: westbound on July 14, 2026, 12:48:25 PMdid Cawley actually make ANY mistake??

The 3 big disputed calls
- Penalty? Many people think it was a penalty, many people think it wasn't.  Therefore, it's hard to say he definitely made a mistake on this one.
- Square ball goal - definintely a square ball, but sure it's the umpires that should be watching for this? Obviously cawley should be watching it too and maybe he could have called it, but the first responsibilty is with the umpires here 
- 'Ghost goal' - How in the name of all that's holy can the ref be blamed for 'missing' this in real time? With the benefit of replays, still images and 48hours later, it's still not 100%  clear if the ball was over the line or not. You can argue that the umpires should have seen it, but even that is harsh imo. But the ref certainly couldn't call it  from out the field.


I'm no fan of cawleys's but let's be fair to the man too.
Who picked the umpires? Whose team is it?

This week's media topic is goal line cameras, Var or whatnot. I accept that there is an element of it being the Dubs, but that shitshow has no place in an AI SF. Not good enough and I am genuinely asking does Croker feed back to him that it wasnt good enough?

do they feed back to all refs? Ref in your game against Galway did not have the best of games? Did he have that fed back? Ref in Tyrone/Kerry game? Why just Cawley?
Literally my question.

GTP

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2026, 03:28:57 PMI'm asking if the GAA has a formal review mechanism for elite referees like other sports. It's not complicated.


If you put are referees assessed in GAA into Google it says they are. I know from speaking to an assessor they do it for club matches in Derry. And am pretty certain we are not ahead of the game in this.
Assessors are obviously good but who then assesses them?
Incorrect decisions only matter to the defeated team. I don't think refs have as much control on the outcome of games as people think.

imtommygunn

This year has been a bad year though... That square ball decision was ludicrous. When it really mattered the decisions that went against Tyrone had a large bearing and I find it hard to believe Clare wouldn't have won had quaide got the black he should have.

A few ones this year I do think have impacted outcomes.

Rossfan

Ex Ref Maurice Deegan on RTÉ radio earlier.
Said the penalty was totally correct, frontal charge, rough play, foul and yellow card.
Said it was a square ball.
Triple Connacht Champions

GTP

The most obvious decision that went against Tyrone was the 45 given to Kerry which was a wide. In real time I called it as a penalty for Kerry. If the ref wanted to influence the game for Kerry he gives a penalty (foot block, tackle with foot). 45 given maybe Kerry score maybe they don't, wide given Tyrone get kick out maybe they win it maybe Kerry snaffle it and stick the ball in the net. The consequences of individual decisions don't always play out as you would expect

Armagh18

Quote from: GTP on July 14, 2026, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 14, 2026, 03:28:57 PMI'm asking if the GAA has a formal review mechanism for elite referees like other sports. It's not complicated.


If you put are referees assessed in GAA into Google it says they are. I know from speaking to an assessor they do it for club matches in Derry. And am pretty certain we are not ahead of the game in this.
Assessors are obviously good but who then assesses them?
Incorrect decisions only matter to the defeated team. I don't think refs have as much control on the outcome of games as people think.
Refs in Armagh definitely assessed at club games, you know because they turn into greater pricks than usual :D.

Ah refs/officials absolutely do effect games hugely, especially at the top level the margins are so small. Probably 3 levels to the big calls on Sunday, the ghost goal was impossible to call in real time in fairness, will forgive that one. In my view the penalty is definitely not a penalty, but in real time can see why it was given. The square ball was a horrendous decision and absolutely wrong (unless you're Pat Spillane).

So there's a 9 point swing that another day goes Dublins way, so of course they have a huge impact.