All-Ireland Series Sam Maguire 2026

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blanketattack

Quote from: David McKeown on July 12, 2026, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 12, 2026, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 12, 2026, 07:50:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2026, 05:53:16 PMShowing goalline clearance again, looks over but the camera on the bck stanchion and not in line. so is the rule partially over or all over?

3.1

A goal is scored when the ball is played over the goal-line between the posts and under the crossbar by either team.

I read that as fully over but who knows.

I have yet to see an angle that proves it conclusively one way or another. In those circumstances I think it's hard to criticise the officials whatever decision they give.

Pretty sure I saw/heard before that the ball has to be fully over the line for it to be a legitimate goal.

The rule on square ball is also a very tough one for the officials, especially when it's a from play situation compared to from a dead ball situation. The natural instinct when the ball is in play is for an umpire to concentrate on following the flight of the ball especially in a situation where it looks like a player is shooting for a point. It's one thing to call a square ball accurately from a video or even a still picture but it's a far harder task to do in real time especially when you're not expecting it (like in the case of a shot at the posts dropping short)

I wonder if there would be merit in the rules committee looking at trialing possible changes or alternatives to this especially in play given it seems to be a rule that is missed by officials with a fair degree of regularity. The other option is the VAR route but I really don't think there is all that much in the way of appetite for that. 


Yeah I have always worked on the understanding it's whole ball over whole line

Yes, was always "over all of the line" previously.
The goalline is 4 inches wide. If there's any overhang over even a millimetre of the line, it's not a goal, and I've seen no evidence of clear daylight between the ball and all of the line.

The square ball isn't an open and shut case either.
Was the ball actually in the square when O'Brien made contact with it? He jumps in the air, starting just inside the edge of the square and stretches his arm out. He's 6'3" so has a considerable wingspan. And like the goalline one, all of the ball has to be over all of the line to be considered 'in the square'. To me, while he's in the square, it looks like he makes contact with the ball either outside the square or above the line (thus not considered inside), which means no infringement.

tiempo

Quote from: Tubberman on July 12, 2026, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: tiempo on July 12, 2026, 01:55:27 PMAidan O'Shea be delighted, maybe a centrefold this time?

What age are you?

Tonight Matthew I will be Mitch Buchannon


DaleCooper

Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on July 12, 2026, 09:37:55 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 12, 2026, 05:45:54 PMThe three big calls all went Kerrys way. Penalty, square ball and a goal not given when over the line.

And the 3 big & wrong calls v Tyrone all went Kerry's way...show strange

Calls went Dubs way vs Galway. I wouldnt go so far as alleging anything as its statistically insignificant.

Every time umpires are either to blame for not seeing it or maybe afraid to speak up. The square ball is most infuriating as its easiest one to rehearse with your fellow umpire.


Main Street

Watching it frame by frame the Dubs were denied a goal, but in real time I wouldn't have the foggiest notion. Without an eagle eye umpire (doesn't exist anyway) you can't be certain it was a goal, to get that decision right one would need to use video technology or something.


I am not sold on the penalty, not arguing against the ref who was perfectly positioned and applied the law, I'd just say that type of contact in a cluttered area around the goal shouldn't be a penalty, that it was bought by a rampaging forward trying to make inroads in a cluttered box, he's bound to run into somebody. If that was team Handball it would be more likely to be adjudged as barging into an opponent, you can sorta see the Kerry player turning his shoulder toward Byrne just before the contact. But I haven't watched it frame by frame measuring the momentum of both players :o

Overall I think I would have much preferred to watch a ding dong Dublin Kerry semi final played under the old rules.

DaleCooper

Brian Howard was immense from start to finish. Even when tired he managed to throw a dummy and get a point. Blocked Clifford hand fisted point. What a warrior.

DaleCooper

Quote from: tiempo on Today at 12:40:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 12, 2026, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: tiempo on July 12, 2026, 01:55:27 PMAidan O'Shea be delighted, maybe a centrefold this time?

What age are you?

Tonight Matthew I will be Mitch Buchannon



Some laughing done in Tyrone in run up to the final. Said everything about the Mayo spiceboy mindset they considered this acceptable.

Imagine we wont see a repeat

EoinW

Bravo Dublin!  That was a fine effort today and a very impressive three game run.  Take away Kerry's two goals and they are in big trouble.  No sour grapes on how controversial they were.  I think we can all agree that Kerry were lucky to win today.

Yet another thing against Mayo in the Final: will Kerry get all the breaks again?  Great teams make their own luck.  Is that fair?

On the other hand, Kerry looked flat much of the game and were certainly outworked by Dublin.  Reminded me of the Kerry team in the league final.

Now I'm wondering what if "tired" Kerry had been required to come north for their Armagh match.  Have to admit that it still bothers me that the Ulster champion ends up having to play a knockout game in Killarney.  So much for rewarding a provincial champ!

Wasn't it 2023 when Kerry squeaked past Derry and Jack O'Connor admitted they weren't the better team that day and were lucky to win.  Then their luck ran out in the final.

Obviously Dublin won't do it but has any team ever won the AI championship the same year they were relegated in the league?

RedHand88

Quote from: DaleCooper on Today at 01:37:08 AM
Quote from: tiempo on Today at 12:40:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 12, 2026, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: tiempo on July 12, 2026, 01:55:27 PMAidan O'Shea be delighted, maybe a centrefold this time?

What age are you?

Tonight Matthew I will be Mitch Buchannon



Some laughing done in Tyrone in run up to the final. Said everything about the Mayo spiceboy mindset they considered this acceptable.

Imagine we wont see a repeat

But will Ballina credit union be advertising Sam Maguire loans?