Armagh v Tyrone USFC - BOX IT Athletic Grounds, Sunday 12th April, 16:15

[tonto1888]

Also... going by the 70min game, these new rules are very much emperor's new clothes...

Win KO, then spend 1-2 min playing ball around an arc against a mass defence. Someone tell me how this is anything new or indeed exciting.

I've been thinking the same thing myself recently. It's beginning to appear that after the bedding in period and the giddy high we all felt from the initial novelty of high scores, looser defences, unpredictability and space, there has been a slight reversion to the norm and we're back to long passages of endless recycling of the ball, and set/repetitive patterns, unless there's an unforced error or turnover. It's not helped by many players evidently being coached to not shoot unless it's a very high percentage chance close to goals, today's game having quite a few examples of attackers turning down opportunities and shoveling the ball back outside the arc when it became clear they had no path to walk the ball over the bar.

from an Armagh perspective that was infuriating. I am sure Tyrone ones will feel the same

[gallsman]

today's game having quite a few examples of attackers turning down opportunities and shoveling the ball back outside the arc when it became clear they had no path to walk the ball over the bar.

This long predates the new rules coming in.

[Milltown Row2]

There was a fear of losing from Armagh and a nothing to lose attitude (in the second half) from Tyrone, resulting in a poor game

Armagh will have the favourite tag again next day but won't have the same dread against Fermanagh

[imtommygunn]

They have a few big players to come back too in Grugan and Murnin and probably have more. In saying that the game yesterday probably was better for Tyrone than for them. Tyrone have plenty in them but just didn't seem to think so for a good while - maybe now they will.

[RedHand88]

Also... going by the 70min game, these new rules are very much emperor's new clothes...

Win KO, then spend 1-2 min playing ball around an arc against a mass defence. Someone tell me how this is anything new or indeed exciting.

I've been thinking the same thing myself recently. It's beginning to appear that after the bedding in period and the giddy high we all felt from the initial novelty of high scores, looser defences, unpredictability and space, there has been a slight reversion to the norm and we're back to long passages of endless recycling of the ball, and set/repetitive patterns, unless there's an unforced error or turnover. It's not helped by many players evidently being coached to not shoot unless it's a very high percentage chance close to goals, today's game having quite a few examples of attackers turning down opportunities and shoveling the ball back outside the arc when it became clear they had no path to walk the ball over the bar.

from an Armagh perspective that was infuriating. I am sure Tyrone ones will feel the same

Yep. So annoying to watch. There was a particularly bad Armagh one when the game was in the balance at the end of normal time. A shot you'd expect an under 16 to tap over. It's just ingrained into county players now.

[naka]

Think match will have positives / negatives for both teams .
Worrying though for Armagh that murnin, mc Cambridge didn't get minute because we need them grugan also really didn't get much either they all
Need time against Fermanagh
For me both sides have complaints on the ref which is always a plus meaning he didn't really influence the result .
Ballsy by young mcelhom to go for the goal but experience will tell him the point was a given

[square_ball]

I hope it is applied consistently, as there will be a lot of black cards like that this season.

Lads it was a 2nd yellow card I am not too sure where this black card chat has come from.

But equally I don't think it merited a yellow card. Every contact shouldn't mean a yellow card.

[Armagh18]

I hope it is applied consistently, as there will be a lot of black cards like that this season.

Lads it was a 2nd yellow card I am not too sure where this black card chat has come from.

But equally I don't think it merited a yellow card. Every contact shouldn't mean a yellow card.

Very harsh for a second yellow and even the first was for a bit of pushing and shoving, does those 2 things really warrant being sent off in an Ulster championship match? Games gone

[JoG2]

Yellow! A neck high tackle is yellow, there's zero ambiguity here

[tonto1888]

I hope it is applied consistently, as there will be a lot of black cards like that this season.

Lads it was a 2nd yellow card I am not too sure where this black card chat has come from.

But equally I don't think it merited a yellow card. Every contact shouldn't mean a yellow card.

will caveat by saying I was on the opposite sideof the pitch but it did look like the ref gave him a black. Probably where the chat about a black is coming from

[square_ball]

Yellow! A neck high tackle is yellow, there's zero ambiguity here

Whats the exact wording in the rule book regarding 'a neck high tackle is yellow'?

[Stall the Bailer]

Rough play. Also thought the tackle on Kennedy verged on dangerous play.

[Armagh18]

Rough play. Also thought the tackle on Kennedy verged on dangerous play.

Haven't seen it. Was it worse than the one on Jarly Og?

[statto]

High tackle is a yellow card. There wasn't a huge amount of force behind it, but I think a yellow is the right call in accordance with the rules.

If mckernan hadn't mouthed off to the ref, armagh dont get a tap over free.
If mcelhome had taken the easy point rather than go for goal.
Tyrone made enough mistakes of their own to lose the game.... one Incident where the ref issued a yellow is not an excuse.

Tyrone were better than expected, armagh worse than expected.
And to be honest, I'd think Tyrone maybe come away from that game happier than armagh did.
Tyrone have 6 weeks now to build on that and try to improve. But in my opinion, the quality isn't there for them to be challengers. Feels like they are in a transition period and need 2 or 3 years to develop.

Armagh I think could be on a slow downwards burn. They were not great today but had a bit more quality than Tyrone, have more matured players taking the right decisions. But definitely dont have the same depth they had. They could give anyone a game, but there wasn't much there today that would make you think they are in a position to win ulster or the AI this year. Donegal will be pleased at that game today.

Extra time was exciting, I was hoping for pens for the craic.
But on the whole, it was a hard watch.
New rules didn't contribute to a spectacle anyway.

Tyrone will be happier losing to their big rivals with 14 men? If that's the case they have fallen further than I thought. Anyone that has watched Armagh or thought this was a given pre match need their head looked at. I said to a friend at game way it started had alot of similarity to Galway game in league where Armagh appeared much better side early on but wasn't reflected on scoreboard. Armagh will be delighted to win and in the manner they did with all the talk being that Donegal will beat them handy.

[Armagh18]

Tyrone are definitely back!