The NI Legacy Bill

Started by seafoid, September 07, 2023, 08:18:55 AM

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JoG2

Quote from: David McKeown on October 23, 2025, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2025, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 23, 2025, 07:48:39 PMGavin f**king Robinson posting para insignia pictures on twitter.
Bitter bastard. Expect nothing less.

Very insensitive I thought.

On so many levels, awful, just awful

weareros

Strong performances by Eastwood and Finucane on The View. Unionists too cowardly to go in front of Caruthers.

Armagh18

Quote from: Brendan on October 23, 2025, 10:44:29 PMHopefully people remember their bare faced bigotry and finally come together to oust the likes of Robinson, Lockhart and Campbell at the next Westminster election, Allister unfortunately likely untouchable in North Antrim
. We'll have to start out breeding them up there as well.

imtommygunn

Lockhart is vile - she got a social media pile on for her looks etc and got a lot of sympathy. People shouldn't be doing that but she should be attacked for her views. They are vile and she's not old enough that she should have such bitterness in her. Horrendous individual. How half these ones can look themselves in the eye I don't know. Generations of families ruined with this and it's all one big game.

Hand of God

Devastating news for the families.

I'm sure Doug Beattie is keeping quiet.

LC

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2025, 03:21:55 PM40yrs too late unfortunately, there was no way evidence from 50yrs ago most of it oral, would lead to a conviction. It also suit the UK govt who dont want to go down the route of multi enquiries on murders 40/30yrs ago

Surely the legal teams representing the families of the victims would know that themselves, I would hate to think they were being given false hope for all these years, the families are no further forward after yesterday.

Re Unionist politicians and their reactions, no surprise.

Armagh18

Quote from: LC on October 24, 2025, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2025, 03:21:55 PM40yrs too late unfortunately, there was no way evidence from 50yrs ago most of it oral, would lead to a conviction. It also suit the UK govt who dont want to go down the route of multi enquiries on murders 40/30yrs ago

Surely the legal teams representing the families of the victims would know that themselves, I would hate to think they were being given false hope for all these years, the families are no further forward after yesterday.

Re Unionist politicians and their reactions, no surprise.
Reading the judgement they've more or less said he did it but they cant meet the evidence threshold, surely they can take some small solace from that.

Fair play to the families.

Wildweasel74

Oh he done it alright, but again the time lapse it's hard to get the required evidence. Sure the soldiers in Iraq didn't get much for forcing iraq lads into the water who couldn't swim.

Nanderson

The most frustrating thing about this trial is now the gloating from Unionist politicians. 'Not guilty' does not equal 'innocent'. Think of all of the rapists, sexual abusers and child abusers that get let off because there isn't 'sufficient evidence' or witnessess don't want to speak out or can't speak out.

Armagh18

Quote from: Nanderson on October 24, 2025, 01:56:07 PMThe most frustrating thing about this trial is now the gloating from Unionist politicians. 'Not guilty' does not equal 'innocent'. Think of all of the rapists, sexual abusers and child abusers that get let off because there isn't 'sufficient evidence' or witnessess don't want to speak out or can't speak out.
Showing their true colours.

I know people get frustrated at the nationalist politicians here and rightly so, but you always have to caveat it with the fact they have to work alongside the absolute pondlife of the DUP.

tonto1888

Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 02:17:32 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 24, 2025, 01:56:07 PMThe most frustrating thing about this trial is now the gloating from Unionist politicians. 'Not guilty' does not equal 'innocent'. Think of all of the rapists, sexual abusers and child abusers that get let off because there isn't 'sufficient evidence' or witnessess don't want to speak out or can't speak out.
Showing their true colours.

I know people get frustrated at the nationalist politicians here and rightly so, but you always have to caveat it with the fact they have to work alongside the absolute pondlife of the DUP.

what do you expect from a pig but a grunt

Hand of God

I can take the triumphalist stuff from the DUP\TUV a lot better than the UUP.

They show their bigotry and hate with every turn. We know they are. It's the faux outrage and complete hypocrisy from the UUP I can't hack. They are consistently parroted as progressives and moderates but I just read Doug Beattie's horrendous article there calling the trial a "show trial" and talking about the correct verdict being reached and treatment of veterans.


Beattie and UUP have never acknowledged state terrorism, they have never acknowledged collusion between apparatus of the state and loyalist paramilitaries in the murder of civilians on one side of the divide. They have never acknowledged the sectarian state and oppression and segregation of the Republican community under their rule.

And yet they disingenuously IRA away every day, make the off cutting remark about loyalist paramilitaries to pretend they are balanced but insult the hundreds of victims of state terrorism by saying it never existed, that their deaths were justified.

johnnycool

Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 03:19:04 PMI can take the triumphalist stuff from the DUP\TUV a lot better than the UUP.

They show their bigotry and hate with every turn. We know they are. It's the faux outrage and complete hypocrisy from the UUP I can't hack. They are consistently parroted as progressives and moderates but I just read Doug Beattie's horrendous article there calling the trial a "show trial" and talking about the correct verdict being reached and treatment of veterans.


Beattie and UUP have never acknowledged state terrorism, they have never acknowledged collusion between apparatus of the state and loyalist paramilitaries in the murder of civilians on one side of the divide. They have never acknowledged the sectarian state and oppression and segregation of the Republican community under their rule.

And yet they disingenuously IRA away every day, make the off cutting remark about loyalist paramilitaries to pretend they are balanced but insult the hundreds of victims of state terrorism by saying it never existed, that their deaths were justified.


Political Unionism has never faced up to the very big part they played in the environment they created that led to the troubles, and their actions during it, but they've never had to as it's always been portrayed as those bad nationalists decided to start shooting and bombing them with no backstory.

If anything the Zionists in Israel have learned a lot from them somehow painting yourself as the victim when all along it is you that is the aggressor.


tiempo

Unionists political cover was Westminster and that the MoD were using the 6cos as a combat sandbox

Israels political cover comes from the US, the zionist lobby and the military industrial complex with its billion dollar arms deals, there's no point making a few billion bullets if there's no-one to shoot them at, the Palestinians are fish in the barrel, and when the land is cleansed oh look we found more oil

Any accident of birth that leaves you out of the crosshairs of these evil bastards makes you a very lucky person

Hand of God

Quote from: johnnycool on October 24, 2025, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 03:19:04 PMI can take the triumphalist stuff from the DUP\TUV a lot better than the UUP.

They show their bigotry and hate with every turn. We know they are. It's the faux outrage and complete hypocrisy from the UUP I can't hack. They are consistently parroted as progressives and moderates but I just read Doug Beattie's horrendous article there calling the trial a "show trial" and talking about the correct verdict being reached and treatment of veterans.


Beattie and UUP have never acknowledged state terrorism, they have never acknowledged collusion between apparatus of the state and loyalist paramilitaries in the murder of civilians on one side of the divide. They have never acknowledged the sectarian state and oppression and segregation of the Republican community under their rule.

And yet they disingenuously IRA away every day, make the off cutting remark about loyalist paramilitaries to pretend they are balanced but insult the hundreds of victims of state terrorism by saying it never existed, that their deaths were justified.


Political Unionism has never faced up to the very big part they played in the environment they created that led to the troubles, and their actions during it, but they've never had to as it's always been portrayed as those bad nationalists decided to start shooting and bombing them with no backstory.

If anything the Zionists in Israel have learned a lot from them somehow painting yourself as the victim when all along it is you that is the aggressor.



Absolutely. I just wince at how the UUP and particularly Beattie have been heralded as progressives and bridge builders by the media in recent years when he's every bit as big a bigot as his DUP counterparts, just with a bit more spin and PR attached.