Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[Wildweasel74]

Its hard to make an impression with Derry when the past 3/4 managers wouldnt play new players on a regular basis, Armagh 7/8 different starting players and 4/5 sub from what We played them in 2023 with no decent underage or club set up.Derry had 4 outta 5, strong under 20 teams past 5 years.We no excuse.

[Ryan O]

Are some of them lads still playing in Belfast?


As someone else said, would they be on panel if it wasn't for the name?  This is not being harsh but just an assessment.


How many times has the older lad played for Derry this past 7/8 years really? Always on the fringes of the panel and has never cemented his place. Either that or injured. Can't be a squad player eternally. Must come a point where people need to push on or not.



Now is a great chance for CM to have a look at junior, intermediate and senior club games in Derry over the next 3 months. If he's diligent enough, he hopefully should find a couple of players who he thinks will be on his team.

Theres a place for squad players in any set up, its actually something that Derry are missing and need to try and get more of.
Theres plenty players are massive club players but don't just have that edge for county first 24, these lads are crucial for long term development of a squad.

Not sure what you mean. Every county, including Derry, have a panel of about 36 players, maybe one or two more. They have a squad.


How long is long term development?  My point is, and this relates to the majority of county panels, when you're on a panel for 6 or 7 years and you're not really making an impact, then that's a worry. Would you not be wondering why are you there?


If you're in 3 years and not making much of an impression game wise, what's the point?


As an aside to that, the GAA should have a rule that No. 22 - 36 are released back to their clubs to play for their clubs in their league. Not occasionally, but all the time.

Are some of them lads still playing in Belfast?


As someone else said, would they be on panel if it wasn't for the name?  This is not being harsh but just an assessment.


How many times has the older lad played for Derry this past 7/8 years really? Always on the fringes of the panel and has never cemented his place. Either that or injured. Can't be a squad player eternally. Must come a point where people need to push on or not.



Now is a great chance for CM to have a look at junior, intermediate and senior club games in Derry over the next 3 months. If he's diligent enough, he hopefully should find a couple of players who he thinks will be on his team.

Theres a place for squad players in any set up, its actually something that Derry are missing and need to try and get more of.
Theres plenty players are massive club players but don't just have that edge for county first 24, these lads are crucial for long term development of a squad.

Not sure what you mean. Every county, including Derry, have a panel of about 36 players, maybe one or two more. They have a squad.


How long is long term development?  My point is, and this relates to the majority of county panels, when you're on a panel for 6 or 7 years and you're not really making an impact, then that's a worry. Would you not be wondering why are you there?


If you're in 3 years and not making much of an impression game wise, what's the point?


As an aside to that, the GAA should have a rule that No. 22 - 36 are released back to their clubs to play for their clubs in their league. Not occasionally, but all the time.

Of course they have a squad but theres a pattern of players who I would put somewhere between 16 and 25 in Derry football who if they don't get their place for 2 or 3 games they walk away and are replaced by weaker players who are happy to be involved but probably haven't the quality to be there . The top counties have far more quality in their squad and that improves standards as a hole.

Very few players commit for 3 years with limited game time.

[Ryan O]

Are some of them lads still playing in Belfast?


As someone else said, would they be on panel if it wasn't for the name?  This is not being harsh but just an assessment.


How many times has the older lad played for Derry this past 7/8 years really? Always on the fringes of the panel and has never cemented his place. Either that or injured. Can't be a squad player eternally. Must come a point where people need to push on or not.



Now is a great chance for CM to have a look at junior, intermediate and senior club games in Derry over the next 3 months. If he's diligent enough, he hopefully should find a couple of players who he thinks will be on his team.

Hope he finds a few but I'm not sure who or where they are. The majority are there perhaps too young and few injuries but they are around the set up.

[marty34]

I see Banagher are well ahead in Div. 2 league. With Desertmartin in second place.


Teams have played 14 games - is that a double round league? Might be pushed for time to finish it?


Early days but looks like Desertmartin might get a play-off spot if they continue their current form. Been a while since Desertmartin were in Div. 1 I'd say?

[Brendan]

There's a split in Division 2 after 11 games, Banagher confirmed promotion last night with a win away to Coleraine. Intermediate championship wide open

[marty34]

There's Tally working with Mayo and in All-Ireland Final.  Playing a nice style of football.


Derry let him go/pushed him out too early.


Mayo mightn't win AI but have progressed well under Moran and Tally's input, I'm sure, is a big part of it.

[oakleafgael]

There's Tally working with Mayo and in All-Ireland Final.  Playing a nice style of football.


Derry let him go/pushed him out too early.


Mayo mightn't win AI but have progressed well under Moran and Tally's input, I'm sure, is a big part of it.

I take your point but they have scoring forwards that we lack.

[Stickittotheman]

There's Tally working with Mayo and in All-Ireland Final.  Playing a nice style of football.


Derry let him go/pushed him out too early.


Mayo mightn't win AI but have progressed well under Moran and Tally's input, I'm sure, is a big part of it.

Devlin in a semi final with Louth as well. Management made mistakes this year but the players need to start taking responsibility. The talent is there. But we are heading towards becoming the team of the 2020's that threw it all away.

[DaleCooper]

McMahon out for Dubs. Oh dear.

Seanie O'Shea starts at 14 with Paul Geaney in reserve.

[theticklemister]

Is there a league semi-finals with top 4 this year?

[Ryan O]

Big win for Kilrea in the relegation battle with Limavady, Faughanvale and  Screen all losing.

In the topic of coaches, Tally is defensive coach and is having big impact.
Mayo have top class forwards, Louth and Gavin Devlin have Ronan O Neill in there.

Even look at Wicklow and how their forwards play with Mc Convilles management/coaching.
Donegal - Colm Mc Fadden,
Kerry - Kieran Donaghy
Dublin - Dean Rock

We need a forwards coach if we are to have any hope. Benny Heron was good solid Derry servant but realistically how can he coach Mc Guigan, Murray, Doherty, Cassidy. Every one of them lads know they are better players than him added into the fact he has no previous coaching experience.

Before the pile on of "are you saying you can't coach if you've never played", absolutely not what I'm saying but you can't coach the players you played with.

[doh827]

Big win for Kilrea in the relegation battle with Limavady, Faughanvale and  Screen all losing.

In the topic of coaches, Tally is defensive coach and is having big impact.
Mayo have top class forwards, Louth and Gavin Devlin have Ronan O Neill in there.

Even look at Wicklow and how their forwards play with Mc Convilles management/coaching.
Donegal - Colm Mc Fadden,
Kerry - Kieran Donaghy
Dublin - Dean Rock

We need a forwards coach if we are to have any hope. Benny Heron was good solid Derry servant but realistically how can he coach Mc Guigan, Murray, Doherty, Cassidy. Every one of them lads know they are better players than him added into the fact he has no previous coaching experience.

Before the pile on of "are you saying you can't coach if you've never played", absolutely not what I'm saying but you can't coach the players you played with.

Who is there to bring in, Enda Muldoon?

[Estimator]

Big win for Kilrea in the relegation battle with Limavady, Faughanvale and  Screen all losing.

In the topic of coaches, Tally is defensive coach and is having big impact.
Mayo have top class forwards, Louth and Gavin Devlin have Ronan O Neill in there.

Even look at Wicklow and how their forwards play with Mc Convilles management/coaching.
Donegal - Colm Mc Fadden,
Kerry - Kieran Donaghy
Dublin - Dean Rock

We need a forwards coach if we are to have any hope. Benny Heron was good solid Derry servant but realistically how can he coach Mc Guigan, Murray, Doherty, Cassidy. Every one of them lads know they are better players than him added into the fact he has no previous coaching experience.

Before the pile on of "are you saying you can't coach if you've never played", absolutely not what I'm saying but you can't coach the players you played with.

Pretty sure that both McFadden and Rock are coaching players they played with.

[Ryan O]

Big win for Kilrea in the relegation battle with Limavady, Faughanvale and  Screen all losing.

In the topic of coaches, Tally is defensive coach and is having big impact.
Mayo have top class forwards, Louth and Gavin Devlin have Ronan O Neill in there.

Even look at Wicklow and how their forwards play with Mc Convilles management/coaching.
Donegal - Colm Mc Fadden,
Kerry - Kieran Donaghy
Dublin - Dean Rock

We need a forwards coach if we are to have any hope. Benny Heron was good solid Derry servant but realistically how can he coach Mc Guigan, Murray, Doherty, Cassidy. Every one of them lads know they are better players than him added into the fact he has no previous coaching experience.

Before the pile on of "are you saying you can't coach if you've never played", absolutely not what I'm saying but you can't coach the players you played with.

Pretty sure that both McFadden and Rock are coaching players they played with.

There was more to the post than the I'm smarter moment you attempted to pick.
The point remains valid.

Dean Rock was one of the best forwards on one of best teams to ever play the game.

Colm Mc Fadden is/was a better inside forward than anything they currently have.

Benny Heron without being derogatory played for Derry for 11 years, There was no team ever who put a plan in place to nullify his influence. May sound harsh but its true.

[oakleaflad]

I think it runs deeper than that. We won underage All Irelands where the football was handpassed up the pitch and we used superior athleticism and organisation to win. We showed little imagination or variation and limited use of inside forward play, with only Lachlann Murray and Conall Higgins bucking that trend in those sides.
With the new rules we are lacking these forwards as they have all been over-coached in ways that suited the old game. The same thing happened with our u20 this year even under the new rules, when we met good teams that we couldn't run over the top of we looked visibly lost at times.
The same thing applies with our club football too, unfortunately.