County by County performance in qualifiers era

[seafoid]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

The issue is how do the best teams develop. And does the current system promote that ?
The answer is probably not.

[Zulu]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

Its a Championship - best teams get to closing stages and best team of them win it.
Bad teams will never make the closing stages unless you have some artificial weighting in their favour.
Then it's not a Championship it's a Charity.

You sound like Pauric Duffy. We want to see the best teams in the final... Why?

The whole ethos of the GAA is about participation. Getting people playing and involved, and supporting their local teams. It's not about watching Kerry and Dublin winning All Irelands, year in year out.

The c'ship needs to keep stronger teams on their toes, not cruising to an AI semi before having a tough match. The c'ship is dull and boring. We need big matches all the way through. We need a Carlow and Antrim given every chance to get to a semi or final. Think what a run to that stage would do for football in those counties. As noted earlier, Antrim fans outnumbered Tyrone in 09.

Personally I'd rather watch a Sligo, Louth, Wicklow in an AI semi than Mayo Kerry again for the 400th time. People remember Clare, Leitrim, Offaly, Fermanagh in semis. Current format is elitist and driving 20 odd counties away from the game. Open draw is the only way

Carlow and Antrim are given every chance to win, they just aren't good enough to take it. While I agree we should have an open draw it should be seeded so that we don't end up with teams not earning their place in the final stages of the competition. Getting to an All Ireland semi final would do nothing for football in Carlow or Antrim if it was only because they ended up avoiding all half decent teams until then.

The system should reward excellence but also give teams who are willing to work hard and get their structures right a pathway to improve. IC football is the elite level so it should be dog eat dog.

[Syferus]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

[Rossfan]

The issue is how do the best teams develop. And does the current system promote that ?
The answer is probably not.

What ststem will enable the middle teams to compete for Sam and make the bottom 10 better as well?

[BennyCake]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

Its a Championship - best teams get to closing stages and best team of them win it.
Bad teams will never make the closing stages unless you have some artificial weighting in their favour.
Then it's not a Championship it's a Charity.

You sound like Pauric Duffy. We want to see the best teams in the final... Why?

The whole ethos of the GAA is about participation. Getting people playing and involved, and supporting their local teams. It's not about watching Kerry and Dublin winning All Irelands, year in year out.

The c'ship needs to keep stronger teams on their toes, not cruising to an AI semi before having a tough match. The c'ship is dull and boring. We need big matches all the way through. We need a Carlow and Antrim given every chance to get to a semi or final. Think what a run to that stage would do for football in those counties. As noted earlier, Antrim fans outnumbered Tyrone in 09.

Personally I'd rather watch a Sligo, Louth, Wicklow in an AI semi than Mayo Kerry again for the 400th time. People remember Clare, Leitrim, Offaly, Fermanagh in semis. Current format is elitist and driving 20 odd counties away from the game. Open draw is the only way

Carlow and Antrim are given every chance to win, they just aren't good enough to take it. While I agree we should have an open draw it should be seeded so that we don't end up with teams not earning their place in the final stages of the competition. Getting to an All Ireland semi final would do nothing for football in Carlow or Antrim if it was only because they ended up avoiding all half decent teams until then.

The system should reward excellence but also give teams who are willing to work hard and get their structures right a pathway to improve. IC football is the elite level so it should be dog eat dog.

So it's ok for Kerry or Dublin to meet weaker teams to get to a semi/final, but not ok for the likes of Carlow or Antrim?

[seafoid]

The issue is how do the best teams develop. And does the current system promote that ?
The answer is probably not.

What ststem will enable the middle teams to compete for Sam and make the bottom 10 better as well?

Centralised funding. No solo runs.

[Rossfan]

It would be a start anyway, but you'd need the expertise on board to use it properly.
Then again if you had the funding no doubt HQ could provide the expertise.

[Lar Naparka]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

You always had a way with words, Syf! 
Given that the said Dublin Conglomerate's population equals that of a total of 22 other counties and that GDA funding, going by the infographic on a recent thread was €274 for Dublin, while others, say Galway, got just €15, we are supposed to accept that all counties are being treated equally.  In other words, if Carlow or Antrim aren't winning All Irelands regularly, they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Itchy]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

You always had a way with words, Syf! 
Given that the said Dublin Conglomerate's population equals that of a total of 22 other counties and that GDA funding, going by the infographic on a recent thread was €274 for Dublin, while others, say Galway, got just €15, we are supposed to accept that all counties are being treated equally.  In other words, if Carlow or Antrim aren't winning All Irelands regularly, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Antrim has a massive population. They are just incompetent in the development of Gaelic Games.

[Zulu]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

You always had a way with words, Syf! 
Given that the said Dublin Conglomerate's population equals that of a total of 22 other counties and that GDA funding, going by the infographic on a recent thread was €274 for Dublin, while others, say Galway, got just €15, we are supposed to accept that all counties are being treated equally.  In other words, if Carlow or Antrim aren't winning All Irelands regularly, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Antrim has a massive population. They are just incompetent in the development of Gaelic Games.

Exactly Itchy. We've come to expect nonsense from Syferus but you're usually more sensible Lar. Carlow like, I dunno, Carlisle Utd in soccer, have the same path to Sam as Dublin have or Chelsea have to the league in England. Many other things aren't equal but the path is and that's all a competition structure should provide. The bizarre thing is that the competition structure in the English premiership is fairer to the weaker teams than the All Ireland is.

[Zulu]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

Its a Championship - best teams get to closing stages and best team of them win it.
Bad teams will never make the closing stages unless you have some artificial weighting in their favour.
Then it's not a Championship it's a Charity.

You sound like Pauric Duffy. We want to see the best teams in the final... Why?

The whole ethos of the GAA is about participation. Getting people playing and involved, and supporting their local teams. It's not about watching Kerry and Dublin winning All Irelands, year in year out.

The c'ship needs to keep stronger teams on their toes, not cruising to an AI semi before having a tough match. The c'ship is dull and boring. We need big matches all the way through. We need a Carlow and Antrim given every chance to get to a semi or final. Think what a run to that stage would do for football in those counties. As noted earlier, Antrim fans outnumbered Tyrone in 09.

Personally I'd rather watch a Sligo, Louth, Wicklow in an AI semi than Mayo Kerry again for the 400th time. People remember Clare, Leitrim, Offaly, Fermanagh in semis. Current format is elitist and driving 20 odd counties away from the game. Open draw is the only way

Carlow and Antrim are given every chance to win, they just aren't good enough to take it. While I agree we should have an open draw it should be seeded so that we don't end up with teams not earning their place in the final stages of the competition. Getting to an All Ireland semi final would do nothing for football in Carlow or Antrim if it was only because they ended up avoiding all half decent teams until then.

The system should reward excellence but also give teams who are willing to work hard and get their structures right a pathway to improve. IC football is the elite level so it should be dog eat dog.

So it's ok for Kerry or Dublin to meet weaker teams to get to a semi/final, but not ok for the likes of Carlow or Antrim?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that all 32 teams should play in a competition format that is equal. If my team are very weak and your team very strong we both should have the same number of games and the same opportunity to progress based on our abilities and nothing else. My team shouldn't get any advantages through the competition format simply because we are weak. If the luck of the draw provides us with an easier path some year that's fine but the system shouldn't facilitate it just because we are weak.

[Syferus]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

You always had a way with words, Syf! 
Given that the said Dublin Conglomerate's population equals that of a total of 22 other counties and that GDA funding, going by the infographic on a recent thread was €274 for Dublin, while others, say Galway, got just €15, we are supposed to accept that all counties are being treated equally.  In other words, if Carlow or Antrim aren't winning All Irelands regularly, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Antrim has a massive population. They are just incompetent in the development of Gaelic Games.

Exactly Itchy. We've come to expect nonsense from Syferus but you're usually more sensible Lar. Carlow like, I dunno, Carlisle Utd in soccer, have the same path to Sam as Dublin have or Chelsea have to the league in England. Many other things aren't equal but the path is and that's all a competition structure should provide. The bizarre thing is that the competition structure in the English premiership is fairer to the weaker teams than the All Ireland is.

It's pretty clear your opinions on this topic are very far out there. You've not many on your side on this one and continuing to try and ride roughshod over the fact Dublin are a monster of the GAA's creation that needs to be fixed far more than any format changes means you will convert very few to your position.

[BennyCake]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

Its a Championship - best teams get to closing stages and best team of them win it.
Bad teams will never make the closing stages unless you have some artificial weighting in their favour.
Then it's not a Championship it's a Charity.

You sound like Pauric Duffy. We want to see the best teams in the final... Why?

The whole ethos of the GAA is about participation. Getting people playing and involved, and supporting their local teams. It's not about watching Kerry and Dublin winning All Irelands, year in year out.

The c'ship needs to keep stronger teams on their toes, not cruising to an AI semi before having a tough match. The c'ship is dull and boring. We need big matches all the way through. We need a Carlow and Antrim given every chance to get to a semi or final. Think what a run to that stage would do for football in those counties. As noted earlier, Antrim fans outnumbered Tyrone in 09.

Personally I'd rather watch a Sligo, Louth, Wicklow in an AI semi than Mayo Kerry again for the 400th time. People remember Clare, Leitrim, Offaly, Fermanagh in semis. Current format is elitist and driving 20 odd counties away from the game. Open draw is the only way

Carlow and Antrim are given every chance to win, they just aren't good enough to take it. While I agree we should have an open draw it should be seeded so that we don't end up with teams not earning their place in the final stages of the competition. Getting to an All Ireland semi final would do nothing for football in Carlow or Antrim if it was only because they ended up avoiding all half decent teams until then.

The system should reward excellence but also give teams who are willing to work hard and get their structures right a pathway to improve. IC football is the elite level so it should be dog eat dog.

So it's ok for Kerry or Dublin to meet weaker teams to get to a semi/final, but not ok for the likes of Carlow or Antrim?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that all 32 teams should play in a competition format that is equal. If my team are very weak and your team very strong we both should have the same number of games and the same opportunity to progress based on our abilities and nothing else. My team shouldn't get any advantages through the competition format simply because we are weak. If the luck of the draw provides us with an easier path some year that's fine but the system shouldn't facilitate it just because we are weak.

But doesnt a seeded open draw contradict your idea of a "competition format that is equal"?

[Zulu]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

You always had a way with words, Syf! 
Given that the said Dublin Conglomerate's population equals that of a total of 22 other counties and that GDA funding, going by the infographic on a recent thread was €274 for Dublin, while others, say Galway, got just €15, we are supposed to accept that all counties are being treated equally.  In other words, if Carlow or Antrim aren't winning All Irelands regularly, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Antrim has a massive population. They are just incompetent in the development of Gaelic Games.

Exactly Itchy. We've come to expect nonsense from Syferus but you're usually more sensible Lar. Carlow like, I dunno, Carlisle Utd in soccer, have the same path to Sam as Dublin have or Chelsea have to the league in England. Many other things aren't equal but the path is and that's all a competition structure should provide. The bizarre thing is that the competition structure in the English premiership is fairer to the weaker teams than the All Ireland is.

It's pretty clear your opinions on this topic are very far out there. You've not many on your side on this one and continuing to try and ride roughshod over the fact Dublin are a monster of the GAA's creation that needs to be fixed far more than any format changes means you will convert very few to your position.

Very far out there??? What do you mean? We are talking about competition formats here, nothing else. Mayo have serious advantages, so do Kerry, even Roscommon have advantages over some other counties but that's just life. The competition format should be fair to all and that's all it should be.

[Lar Naparka]

You must have needed plenty of porter on you to say Carlow and Antrim have the same chance as the Dublin Conglomerate with a straight face.

You always had a way with words, Syf! 
Given that the said Dublin Conglomerate's population equals that of a total of 22 other counties and that GDA funding, going by the infographic on a recent thread was €274 for Dublin, while others, say Galway, got just €15, we are supposed to accept that all counties are being treated equally.  In other words, if Carlow or Antrim aren't winning All Irelands regularly, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Antrim has a massive population. They are just incompetent in the development of Gaelic Games.

Exactly Itchy. We've come to expect nonsense from Syferus but you're usually more sensible Lar. Carlow like, I dunno, Carlisle Utd in soccer, have the same path to Sam as Dublin have or Chelsea have to the league in England. Many other things aren't equal but the path is and that's all a competition structure should provide. The bizarre thing is that the competition structure in the English premiership is fairer to the weaker teams than the All Ireland is.

Bedad, Zulu, I used to think the same 'bout you! Right now, I'm off to wet the whistle and fair dues to Ireland.  But before I sign off and  celebrate a famous victory, I'll ask you a quick question..
Go back to what Itchy said and see if you find something odd therein. Hint: Look here.
"Antrim has a massive population..." See anything incongruous there?
Chat ya tomorrow, for now, yeeeehaaaaw!