County by County performance in qualifiers era

[Ball Hopper]

Since the qualifiers started in 2001 here is the spread of performances, showing the number of counties in each category.

Multiple All-Ireland titles: 3 (Kerry 5, Dublin 4, Tyrone 3)
Single All-Ireland title: 4 (Galway, Armagh, Cork, Donegal)
Finalist, but no title: 3 (Meath, Mayo, Down)

Semi-finalist, but never made it to the final: 5 (Derry, Fermanagh, Wexford, Kildare, Tipperary)

Quarter-finalist, but never made it to the semi-final: 8 (Westmeath, Roscommon, Sligo, Laois, Monaghan, Limerick, Cavan, Clare)

Leaving those who never made it to a quarter-final: 10 (Waterford, Leitrim, Antrim, Longford, Louth, Carlow, Wicklow, Offaly, London, New York).

So...7 different winners, 10 different finalists, 15 different semi-finalists, 23 different quarter-finalists, 10 failed to get to a quarter-final, and one county never entered (Kilkenny).

Any surprises in all that?

[Rossfan]

Disappointing to see Offaly in the "bottom 10", how have the once mighty fallen.
The other 9 would be expected to be in that category.
Fermanagh and Tipperary would be surprise semi finalists.

[seafoid]

The qualifiers favour the strong counties. So Kerry and the Dubs have 9
The point of the system shouldn't be for Kerry and the Dubs to divvy up the Sams

But history is a record of consequences which nobody intended to produce

Tyrone is really interesting. A county that never won anything really but turned itself into a force
I suppose if we had a 32 county UI from 1922 on Tyrone would have about 10 all Irelands. So would Down.
Armagh might have 5

[Gold]

Disappointing to see Offaly in the "bottom 10", how have the once mighty fallen.
The other 9 would be expected to be in that category.
Fermanagh and Tipperary would be surprise semi finalists.

Wexford too

That bottom 10 just looks like  Div 4. Gutted that we never made it. Our best chance was after the Ulster Final in 09....but we drew Kerry in the last 12 ffs! We gave them a great game down in Tullamore but Galvin got a late goal and they went on to typically win the whole thing 

Depressing seeing us there as despite the begrudging talk we could have a massive fan base should we have success. Casement Park could be a game changer if there were night League games that were well marketed and had entertainment akin to what goes on at Ravenhill across the city for the Ulster games. People go there on Friday or Sat nights, bit of music and drink before the game and a good buzz and atmosphere. We have thee most fickle support in Ireland but a potentially massive one if we get it together. That Ulster Final we outnumbered the Tyronies....if we got it together we would love to be the next come from nowhere team like Tyrone

[BennyHarp]

Disappointing to see Offaly in the "bottom 10", how have the once mighty fallen.
The other 9 would be expected to be in that category.
Fermanagh and Tipperary would be surprise semi finalists.

Wexford too

That bottom 10 just looks like  Div 4. Gutted that we never made it. Our best chance was after the Ulster Final in 09....but we drew Kerry in the last 12 ffs! We gave them a great game down in Tullamore but Galvin got a late goal and they went on to typically win the whole thing 

Depressing seeing us there as despite the begrudging talk we could have a massive fan base should we have success. Casement Park could be a game changer if there were night League games that were well marketed and had entertainment akin to what goes on at Ravenhill across the city for the Ulster games. People go there on Friday or Sat nights, bit of music and drink before the game and a good buzz and atmosphere. We have thee most fickle support in Ireland but a potentially massive one if we get it together. That Ulster Final we outnumbered the Tyronies....if we got it together we would love to be the next come from nowhere team like Tyrone

Surely Antrim would need to start being competitive at underage for a period of time as a basis of progress rather than pinning the hopes on a big stadium to bring success. You had a decent minor team this year to be fair which should be built upon. What's the underage structure like in Antrim? Are they following the blueprint set in Dublin?

[Rossfan]

If Antrim got Dublin's funding from HQ.........
Would they have a very good team by 2020
or
Would they squander it?

[BennyCake]

It reiterates the need for an open draw as the championship format is bloody boring.

[seafoid]

Armagh and Galway don't really belong in the analysis since the teams developed pre qualifiers.  Take them out and you have a serious concentration of Dubs and Kerry with only Tyrone doing anything consistent. Maybe Donegal should have won more  . The 2 bitchslap teams viz Mayo and Cork won one. Kerry won 4 off them. Dubs won 2.
So basically the qfs reinforce the power of the big 2.
In hurling they reinforced Kilkenny

The GAA is a mess.

[Rossfan]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

[BennyCake]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

[seafoid]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

30s were 50/50
So were 40s
50s they didn't
60s they didn't
70s and 80s they did
90s they didn't

[Jinxy]

I said it before, and I'll say it again.
2001 was a disastrous year for the GAA.

[seafoid]

I said it before, and I'll say it again.
2001 was a disastrous year for the GAA.

It unleashed hell.

Was foot and mouth also 2001 ?
The twin towers -meath backs and forwards- also collapsed

[Rossfan]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

Its a Championship - best teams get to closing stages and best team of them win it.
Bad teams will never make the closing stages unless you have some artificial weighting in their favour.
Then it's not a Championship it's a Charity.

[BennyCake]

Best teams usually win comoetitions.
Dublin and Kerry won most All Ireland's before 2001 also.
Do we bring in handicaps or bar Dublin and Kerry?
What will the mythical "open draw" do?
Bring us back to the days of 20 point margins in AI semi finals?
Do we make all the big teams play each other in Round 1 and so on so that Carlow can get to the AI Final?

That's a possibility, yes. What incentive do the likes of Carlow have with the current format? Why would they even bother turning up?

Its a Championship - best teams get to closing stages and best team of them win it.
Bad teams will never make the closing stages unless you have some artificial weighting in their favour.
Then it's not a Championship it's a Charity.

You sound like Pauric Duffy. We want to see the best teams in the final... Why?

The whole ethos of the GAA is about participation. Getting people playing and involved, and supporting their local teams. It's not about watching Kerry and Dublin winning All Irelands, year in year out.

The c'ship needs to keep stronger teams on their toes, not cruising to an AI semi before having a tough match. The c'ship is dull and boring. We need big matches all the way through. We need a Carlow and Antrim given every chance to get to a semi or final. Think what a run to that stage would do for football in those counties. As noted earlier, Antrim fans outnumbered Tyrone in 09.

Personally I'd rather watch a Sligo, Louth, Wicklow in an AI semi than Mayo Kerry again for the 400th time. People remember Clare, Leitrim, Offaly, Fermanagh in semis. Current format is elitist and driving 20 odd counties away from the game. Open draw is the only way