Next Government for the 26?

[trileacman]

A great many are not voting for the same corrupt fcukers . However most are not voting for your mob so I guess you are a little bitter but let me tell you why we ain't .

The party is like a cult
The leader who is unquestioned by members has no grasp of economics.
The are naked populists who neither are left or right
People still see a whiff of sulphur
I could go on ;
Oh yes and the O6 is hardly a socialist shangrla .  Remember your mob are shit scared of power.

An expert on the IMF he may not be but I expect Gerry Adams has a better grasp of social economics than almost every TD from FG, FF or PD since the Celtic Tiger.  The sort of economics that passes over the heads of pigs at the trough TDs and party leaders that has brought Ireland back to the brink of bankruptcy.    TDs who lined their pockets and became rich through corruption while the similarly corrupt Taoiseachs did likewise.  When the house of straw collapsed around them in 1998 few spoke out for the ordinary families who suffered because they milked the gravy train flat out for as long as they could.    At least Adams experienced the type of social deprivation while bringing up his own family that still exists completely needlessly in the 26 because of greed by previous govts.    Like SF or not but you can't say Adams or his team line their pockets unlike other parties.

That's all grand but West Belfast is still a deprived shit-hole too. Says f**k all for his time as an MP/MLA for the area and likewise for SF's record. The only people enjoying any upswing by SF is their own "community workers".

You talk about social deprivation in the 26. Maybe try looking closer to home first. Can't see the wood for the trees and all that.

[foxcommander]

So Gerry hasn't got a holiday home in Donegal then? Or gets private medical treatment?
What have Sinn Féin ever done for ordinary people except try to cash in on discontent and anger?
Somehow I don't see Kenny or Martin being corrupt or living extravagant lifestyles.
An awful lot of FFrs and FGrs that I know haven't 2 Cents to rub together.
They aren't all Haugheys or Aherns

PMSL - now we know you're a grade A clown.

I'm sure all the lads who didn't get voted back in are down on their luck right now.
Those TD pensions aren't worth a shite for starters.

Can't see Enda or Mickey on the breadline either once they depart the dail. Maybe they'll have a snooze in the seanad first to build up the cashpile

[ashman]

A great many are not voting for the same corrupt fcukers . However most are not voting for your mob so I guess you are a little bitter but let me tell you why we ain't .

The party is like a cult
The leader who is unquestioned by members has no grasp of economics.
The are naked populists who neither are left or right
People still see a whiff of sulphur
I could go on ;
Oh yes and the O6 is hardly a socialist shangrla .  Remember your mob are shit scared of power.

An expert on the IMF he may not be but I expect Gerry Adams has a better grasp of social economics than almost every TD from FG, FF or PD since the Celtic Tiger.  The sort of economics that passes over the heads of pigs at the trough TDs and party leaders that has brought Ireland back to the brink of bankruptcy.    TDs who lined their pockets and became rich through corruption while the similarly corrupt Taoiseachs did likewise.  When the house of straw collapsed around them in 1998 few spoke out for the ordinary families who suffered because they milked the gravy train flat out for as long as they could.    At least Adams experienced the type of social deprivation while bringing up his own family that still exists completely needlessly in the 26 because of greed by previous govts.    Like SF or not but you can't say Adams or his team line their pockets unlike other parties.

OTB

Are you really that naive ?

[omaghjoe]

This is idiotic

In the W6 Sinn Fein have widespread support in the Nationalist community, but a healthy majority of their supporters would hate to be associated with them publicly in any way, hence the only time you hear about people's vote is in "safe" company after a shedload of pints.

A couple of reasons for this,
Firstly their recent history and being respobsible for the deaths of friends and neighbours
Secondly their continual appeasement to former "combatants" in the form of political jobs.
Thirdly Gerry Adams why doesnt he just retire.

The only reason that they have so much support is because they are seen as the best way of putting it up to "them uns"

Northern politics is really that simple

Southern Sinn Fein though are a different animal, their politicians are bright, articulate, media friendly and lack baggage, unfortunately for them Gerry thinks he an emperor and is continually loading baggage for them to carry, which the Southern political rivals point at every opportunity. Which is also idiotic because its nothing to do with their policies but it sounds great (or bad) for the media.

From the outside, Adams should retire, but then is he keeping a lid on things internally? TBH I doubt this very much I think its just ego keeping him going.

[Rossfan]

There's baggage with a few of their 26 Co crew

[FermGael]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

[Rossfan]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

What will be the "split" when he goes?

[Hound]

I know it can be difficult to find a good politician worth voting for, but hard to imagine many on here voting for Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail given the privilege we have of seeing what they're actually like.

Fixed that for you. We've had plenty of experience of their governments and how they've screwed the country over multiple times.

Or maybe you're just dumb enough to think they've done a wonderful job.

Yeah, they are not right wing enough for you alright. At least you have the Shinners eh? 

[Hound]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

What will be the "split" when he goes?

The anti-immigrant anti-socialist anti-liberal wing may have to go their own way (the rascists among them won't need to just restrict their public utterances to discussion boards with anonymous names)

[muppet]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

To be honest, that is extremely obvious. They will all trot out diligently to defend him no matter what he does.

Has any SF TD/MLA ever public publicly criticised him? Bad as FG/FF are, at least some of the members can break ranks and attack the leader without fear.

[Franko]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

Id say SF would be more likely to split with Adams involved than without him.  Some of the younger cohort are bound to be getting sick of having to constantly defend his history and baggage (not to mention his ridiculous twitter feed!).  What factions are there within SF that Adams has to keep together?

[trileacman]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

Id say SF would be more likely to split with Adams involved than without him.  Some of the younger cohort are bound to be getting sick of having to constantly defend his history and baggage (not to mention his ridiculous twitter feed!).  What factions are there within SF that Adams has to keep together?

The Slab Murphys of this world. Former militant republicans will side with Gerry whilst he sides with them. Such people would not be as drawn towards the democratic process without him and could drift towards the Replubican SF spectrum. I certainly couldn't see them siding with Mary-Lou.

With Mary-Lou or some other liberal-minded youngster at the helm the famed SF omerta about Gerry and Marty's activity during the troubles mightn't be as steadfast.

[FermGael]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

To be honest, that is extremely obvious. They will all trot out diligently to defend him no matter what he does.

Has any SF TD/MLA ever public publicly criticised him? Bad as FG/FF are, at least some of the members can break ranks and attack the leader without fear.

Muppet I am no shinner but have voted sf in the past because to be honest it became a headcount.

Why would they criticise a leader who has brought them from the fringes of irish politics to being the largest nationalist party in the north and the third biggest party in the south ?
If there was a united Ireland in the morning, they would be the biggest party.

What Adams has done is remarkable when you step back and look at it.
What happened in the north in my lifetime is nothing short of a miracle.
If wouldn't have happened without him.
The fact that he has managed to keep the vast majority of the Republican movement behind him without a significant "messy" split is really remarkable.

[muppet]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

To be honest, that is extremely obvious. They will all trot out diligently to defend him no matter what he does.

Has any SF TD/MLA ever public publicly criticised him? Bad as FG/FF are, at least some of the members can break ranks and attack the leader without fear.

Muppet I am no shinner but have voted sf in the past because to be honest it became a headcount.

Why would they criticise a leader who has brought them from the fringes of irish politics to being the largest nationalist party in the north and the third biggest party in the south ?
If there was a united Ireland in the morning, they would be the biggest party.

What Adams has done is remarkable when you step back and look at it.
What happened in the north in my lifetime is nothing short of a miracle.
If wouldn't have happened without him.
The fact that he has managed to keep the vast majority of the Republican movement behind him without a significant "messy" split is really remarkable.

I can understand your point of view.

Someone mentioned Adams as being the reason the Slab Murphy's etc remained on board, and I can see that. However as a Southerner this can read differently. It is as if there is always a barely latent threat that if you refuse to accept Gerry, terrorism will escalate rapidly.

[trileacman]

Adams is the glue keeping sf together.
People often forget this.

To be honest, that is extremely obvious. They will all trot out diligently to defend him no matter what he does.

Has any SF TD/MLA ever public publicly criticised him? Bad as FG/FF are, at least some of the members can break ranks and attack the leader without fear.

Muppet I am no shinner but have voted sf in the past because to be honest it became a headcount.

Why would they criticise a leader who has brought them from the fringes of irish politics to being the largest nationalist party in the north and the third biggest party in the south ?
If there was a united Ireland in the morning, they would be the biggest party.

What Adams has done is remarkable when you step back and look at it.
What happened in the north in my lifetime is nothing short of a miracle.
If wouldn't have happened without him.
The fact that he has managed to keep the vast majority of the Republican movement behind him without a significant "messy" split is really remarkable.

I can understand your point of view.

Someone mentioned Adams as being the reason the Slab Murphy's etc remained on board, and I can see that. However as a Southerner this can read differently. It is as if there is always a barely latent threat that if you refuse to accept Gerry, terrorism will escalate rapidly.

I would disagree with that. There isn't the will amongst the majority of former militants to re-arm except for those involved in the drugs war.

My point is that the SF/IRA omerta would be less steadfast in Adams absence.

Edit: I don't mean that as SF/IRA in the Jeffrey Donaldson sense but rather SF and the IRA and the crossover in membership.