Donegal v Tyrone Sun 17 May

[Bingo]

One of the GAA's greatest "strengths" - deflection.

Something occurs and all mannerism of defences come out - you did it first, everyone does it, what about 1964 and the carry on that day, you started it, you lost take your beating and it goes on and on and on and on.

Supporters are by far the worst for it.

[Jinxy]

Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing.

[imtommygunn]

I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.

2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.

That's what gets me. Everyone wants to give out about this "scourge" in the game, but God forbid one of the players opens their mouth about it! Devenney was told to shut up a decade ago when he complained about this type of stuff.

Devenney used to get tortured too. McNulty, Ryan McCloskey and Ricey were probably up there with as bad as it gets and he was marking them all in very close succession.

[Up The Middle]

Other than Dublin a few years back, I can't think of any southern teams that engage in blatant sledging.
It's more of an Ulster thing

Kieran Donaghy is as bad as anyone for it. Roaring into a mans face after he scores. I agree that it seems to happen more often in Ulster (but that could be down to the fact that there is more made of it by certain pundits when it happens in Ulster), that is by no means condoning it, it really shouldnt happen anywhere.

[tippabu]

One of the GAA's greatest "strengths" - deflection.

Something occurs and all mannerism of defences come out - you did it first, everyone does it, what about 1964 and the carry on that day, you started it, you lost take your beating and it goes on and on and on and on.

Supporters are by far the worst for it.

True any talk of sledging and abuse from us in the under 21 final was met widely with "what about o'briens stamp" and what happened afterwards with the dressing room.

[DermyTDredi]

To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.

Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too

[J70]

I already said I think he's right to highlight it. I just think it's ironic. When the Tipp lads gave out about it, they became 'whiners' and should cop the f**k on, this is what it takes, can't believe how naive they are etc.

2 weeks later a Tyrone man essentially makes the same point. I think he's right to highlight it. And in fairness to Sean he is saying both teams were at it. Now I don't think that makes it right, but it does mitigate the 'sour grapes' aspect.

That's what gets me. Everyone wants to give out about this "scourge" in the game, but God forbid one of the players opens their mouth about it! Devenney was told to shut up a decade ago when he complained about this type of stuff.

Devenney used to get tortured too. McNulty, Ryan McCloskey and Ricey were probably up there with as bad as it gets and he was marking them all in very close succession.

It all came to a head for Devenney the day he pushed Joe McQuillan around when McQuillan gave him the line after Devenney had been getting the treatment all match.

[Footie_mad]

To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.

Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too

Totally agree Dermy. This "It's the Northern Teams" is getting a bit tired. I think people listen to these "analysts" and can't think for themselves. Go back to the 'puke' football quote which still is thrown about today.

In the U21 final I didn't see any antics and gave out about Tipp's response and to be honest I did see it as sour grapes on their behalf. I cannot be two-faced and now not say the same with what is being said by the captain. If things are that bad why not highlight it during the league or after the U21 victory..... if it is happening all the time and he's concerned!

[AZOffaly]

To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.

Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too

Totally agree Dermy. This "It's the Northern Teams" is getting a bit tired. I think people listen to these "analysts" and can't think for themselves. Go back to the 'puke' football quote which still is thrown about today.

In the U21 final I didn't see any antics and gave out about Tipp's response and to be honest I did see it as sour grapes on their behalf. I cannot be two-faced and now not say the same with what is being said by the captain. If things are that bad why not highlight it during the league or after the U21 victory..... if it is happening all the time and he's concerned!

Why is this the default response to this? I find it insulting.

On numerous occasions I have said it is NOT just Tyrone or Ulster teams doing it, or who have been doing it. In fact I highlighted a couple of instances with our own minors. It does seem to be more heightened up in the Ulster Championship, or among Ulster teams, but they didn't invent it, nor are they the only ones doing it.  As for the puke football thing, I think I have defended that Tyrone team on numerous occasions. They were a fantastic team with fantastic players.

What does appear to be different is that only, by and large, its some Ulster lads on here that seem to be blasé about it, or think it's all part of the game. I think it's wrong, and I think it's unmanly, and I think it is very cynical because the aim is to have a lad retaliate and get sent off. I'm involved with teams, and while I am not currently involved with a senior intercounty team, I have been involved in underage and development county teams, and the county juniors, and I would not tolerate any of my players behaving like that. It might be effective, but that does not make it right. I had a row in a soccer game in America because one of my team mates was giving a black player racial abuse for precisely the same reasons.  I've also said that I can't believe fellow Irishmen think it is acceptable to try and goad an opponent from the six counties with stuff about being British. It's all stupid, stupid stuff in my view, and if you do get the reaction you are looking for, I don't think any more of you.

[J70]

I personally have defended Donegal players doing it on the basis that not doing it puts them at a competitive disadvantage in a setting where it is tacitly accepted and has been for years.  Doesn't mean I don't think the GAA should not address it.

[A man from Down]

Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.

The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires.  At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.

There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.

[Footie_mad]

To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.

Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too

Totally agree Dermy. This "It's the Northern Teams" is getting a bit tired. I think people listen to these "analysts" and can't think for themselves. Go back to the 'puke' football quote which still is thrown about today.

In the U21 final I didn't see any antics and gave out about Tipp's response and to be honest I did see it as sour grapes on their behalf. I cannot be two-faced and now not say the same with what is being said by the captain. If things are that bad why not highlight it during the league or after the U21 victory..... if it is happening all the time and he's concerned!

Why is this the default response to this? I find it insulting.

On numerous occasions I have said it is NOT just Tyrone or Ulster teams doing it, or who have been doing it. In fact I highlighted a couple of instances with our own minors. It does seem to be more heightened up in the Ulster Championship, or among Ulster teams, but they didn't invent it, nor are they the only ones doing it.  As for the puke football thing, I think I have defended that Tyrone team on numerous occasions. They were a fantastic team with fantastic players.

What does appear to be different is that only, by and large, its some Ulster lads on here that seem to be blasé about it, or think it's all part of the game. I think it's wrong, and I think it's unmanly, and I think it is very cynical because the aim is to have a lad retaliate and get sent off. I'm involved with teams, and while I am not currently involved with a senior intercounty team, I have been involved in underage and development county teams, and I would not tolerate any of my players behaving like that. It might be effective, but that does not make it right.

Well said! I agree. I don't think it should be part of the game - I like the saying do your talking ON the field. I want to see a defender not get an advantage by mouthing at his marker. Instead get out in front for the ball, take your man on, catch a high ball and run out with it. That is the only talking you should do - show them skill, talent etc.

When I say some people listen to these analysts I mean people even with my own county who on a Monday morning repeat exactly what they hear on the Sunday Game etc. No one is without bias.

[Footie_mad]

Jimmy McGuinness writing today and Rory Gallagher crying about the treatment of Michael Murphy yesterday is a wee bit cringeworthy. It was clear to see the Donegal players at it on Sunday as well. I'm sure Gallagher is deflecting the negative attention away from their own players and maybe sowing a seed in referees heads for the games ahead this summer.

The bottom line is that managers actually need to admit that their own players are guilty of it too and actually try and deal with their own offenders rather than lighting the sympathy fires.  At least Sean Cavanagh came out and said that he as well as Michael Murphy were getting the treatment.

There's no place for sledging in our games but its hard to find a solution to it. Microphones at county level might work but not at club.

Can you imagine if microphones were introduced.... think about it.... being tackled etc, where would the microphone be??? Time outs to try and refix them etc. Disaster.

[giveballaghback]

This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. On all teams over the decades there have been dirty players and mouthpieces, when it was one or two on a team refs could deal with it, but now is has become a culture, it is undoubtedly being encouraged and coached by team management among the northern counties, that is plain to see from the actions on the field.
There were 4 other championship matches last weekend, has there been one  issue from any of the other games, these were all matches with intense rivalry, Longford-Offaly is a long running saga but they showed respect for one another played football to the best of their ability and won or took their defeat in a manly manner, maybe the nordies could follow suit or are their games bigger and more important so thuggery etc is justified. Your actions on the field reflect your society, yes I said at the outset that every county has their hard men or mouthpieces but in most counties it is the exception rather than the rule, but when your county encourages thuggery and makes excuses after well.......

[BluestackBoy]

This a noedie thing and the blame lies fairly at yere door for the current state of our game. .

I agree, down with noedies