Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[SammyG]

Fow a vast swathe of OWC'ers (although I'd think that EG isn't one of them) there has to be a conspiracy when it comes to the GAA.  Remember a number of contributors postulated that the GAA got on board this project purely because the saw an opportunity to mess other sports around.  The reality is that the GAA have a stadium in Belfast already and that in Ulster context the Maze site would be more central/accessible.  As anyone would do in a negotiation they went for the option that best suits their needs.  Of course any negotiating gambit can change if circumstances do.

It's not sinister, it's business.

/Jim.

I've said many times that the GAA have played a blinder, they have no need for the stadiium so they vetoed the only workable options and then wait for the whole shebang to collapse. They then say not our fault mate and take their share of the money and move on. I just wish to fcuk the IFA had either the money or the business sense of the GAA and been ableto play the same card.

[T Fearon]

Sammy, you going to the scousers goons Champions League game at the San Giro? If so, do you fancy participating in an act of reconciliation by meeting up and buying me a pint?

[Evil Genius]

Christ, I've heard it all now.
So the reason nobody has found an alternative to the Maze is that they were'nt looking hard enough!!

You've had FIVE YEARS to try.

Maybe you were all spending too much time on GAA chat boards when you should have been out looking.
Hey have you tried google maps recently? Its not a bad place to start.

If it takes you FIVE YEARS   to START looking properly, have you idea of when you might finish?

The Maze has already cost the Government (correction: you and me) millions of pounds in consultancy fees etc and after five years, still not one brick has been laid. So if we are all to believe the Government's assurance that the Maze will go ahead (i.e. as the only show in town), why would any private developer spend millions more chasing a lost cause? Now as it happens, we have already had two developers express interest in a Belfast stadium. One of these was Durnien, who came up with a proposal for Ormeau Park (which incidentally wouldn't have cost council taxpayers a penny). The other was for Maysfield, a site which i think is now being reconsidered in the light of the DUP getting cold feet over the Maze.

Anyhow, the Ormeau proposal faltered in the face of personal opposition by Ian Paisley. But with his imminent demise, that major obstacle might allow Ormeau also to be revisited.

[Two more minor points. I originally stated that no-one with the necessary clout or resources  is likely to have been looking that closely for a Beflast alternative - I did not include myself in that category, any more than I would suggest that you should have got yourself of to the Maze to start building your stadium, instead of spending so much time on GAA Chatboards  . Second, the use of big capitals and coulours does not make a weak argument stronger; if anything, it only draws attention to its weakness]

[Donagh]

You really don't have any understanding of how this issue is playing out over here. Perhaps you are spending to much time in Ealing and relying on OWC for your information. If I were you I'd be getting prepared for the surprise because you ain't getting a stadium anywhere else other than Long Kesh.

When all else fails go back to personal abuse and blackmail, brilliant Donagh although I'm surprised it took this llong for the mask to slip.

What are you talking about now? He's going around in circles without addressing anything. The fact is that the only stadium that is going to be built is the one proposed for the old Maze-Long Kesh site. If there's no stadium there, then there'll be none built anywhere unless the IFA have a spare £40 million or so lying around somewhere. Ohh and I'm not blackmailing or insulting anyone, simply pointing out the facts as told by the people in charge. 

[Donagh]

I've said many times that the GAA have played a blinder, they have no need for the stadiium so they vetoed the only workable options and then wait for the whole shebang to collapse. They then say not our fault mate and take their share of the money and move on. I just wish to fcuk the IFA had either the money or the business sense of the GAA and been ableto play the same card.

Never trust a Fenian eh? 

[Donagh]

Anyhow, the Ormeau proposal faltered in the face of personal opposition by Ian Paisley. But with his imminent demise, that major obstacle might allow Ormeau also to be revisited.

Again you are simply out of touch. Ormeau was blew out of the water by the residents not Paisley. I was at a few of the meeting as were some of your fellow OWC types who bate a hasty retreat with their tails between their legs when they realised the strength of the opposition.

[nifan]

Sammy - thats quite a guess as to the motives of the GAA.
Why wouldnt they want a stadium at the Maze. It seems to be designed to suit their needs and they are happy with the location.

[SammyG]

I've said many times that the GAA have played a blinder, they have no need for the stadiium so they vetoed the only workable options and then wait for the whole shebang to collapse. They then say not our fault mate and take their share of the money and move on. I just wish to fcuk the IFA had either the money or the business sense of the GAA and been ableto play the same card.

Never trust a Fenian eh? 

I say 'the GAA played a blinder' and I wish the IFA was as good and in Donagh world this becomes 'never trust a Fenian'. Fcuk me that's brilliant even by your standards.

[Evil Genius]

You really don't have any understanding of how this issue is playing out over here. Perhaps you are spending to much time in Ealing and relying on OWC for your information. If I were you I'd be getting prepared for the surprise because you ain't getting a stadium anywhere else other than Long Kesh.

On balance, I think I'd be better off relying on OWC for my information - if that were my only source on such matters - than I would the latest Press Release from Connolly House!  

Anyway, it's not where you live, it's what you know that counts. Patrick Moore has never lived on the Moon or even been into space, but I'd still trust his opinion on what's going on outside the Earth's atmosphere!  

[SammyG]

Sammy - thats quite a guess as to the motives of the GAA.
Why wouldnt they want a stadium at the Maze. It seems to be designed to suit their needs and they are happy with the location.

I didn't say they didn't want it, I said they didn't need it. Of course they'd use it it's built but they're not overly bothered (see Nicky Brennans reaction) if it isn't.

[Donagh]

I've said many times that the GAA have played a blinder, they have no need for the stadiium so they vetoed the only workable options and then wait for the whole shebang to collapse. They then say not our fault mate and take their share of the money and move on. I just wish to fcuk the IFA had either the money or the business sense of the GAA and been ableto play the same card.

Never trust a Fenian eh? 

I say 'the GAA played a blinder' and I wish the IFA was as good and in Donagh world this becomes 'never trust a Fenian'. Fcuk me that's brilliant even by your standards.

Well Danny Murphy said on the previous thread they never vetoed anything but all of a sudden you are able to read all of these other machinations. As I said never trust a Fenian...

[Main Street]

I've said many times that the GAA have played a blinder, they have no need for the stadiium so they vetoed the only workable options and then wait for the whole shebang to collapse. They then say not our fault mate and take their share of the money and move on. I just wish to fcuk the IFA had either the money or the business sense of the GAA and been ableto play the same card.

The more you have repeated this Veto line the more I suspect it's validity.
Do have any GAA quote source for this?

[SammyG]

Sammy, you going to the scousers goons Champions League game at the San Giro? If so, do you fancy participating in an act of reconciliation by meeting up and buying me a pint?

Hoping to but don't know about tickets yet (actually might have more chance of tickets for the haemorhoids) but if I'm there I'lll let you stand me a pint, as you're on a freebie.

[SammyG]

I've said many times that the GAA have played a blinder, they have no need for the stadiium so they vetoed the only workable options and then wait for the whole shebang to collapse. They then say not our fault mate and take their share of the money and move on. I just wish to fcuk the IFA had either the money or the business sense of the GAA and been ableto play the same card.

The more you have repeated this Veto line the more I suspect it's validity.
Do have any GAA quote source for this?

Read the GAA statement (as posted by snatter) plus the minutes of the various DCAL committees. The GAA vetoed Belfast as they already have a Belfast stadium.

[snatter]

You really don't have any understanding of how this issue is playing out over here. Perhaps you are spending to much time in Ealing and relying on OWC for your information. If I were you I'd be getting prepared for the surprise because you ain't getting a stadium anywhere else other than Long Kesh.

On balance, I think I'd be better off relying on OWC for my information - if that were my only source on such matters - than I would the latest Press Release from Connolly House! 

Anyway, it's not where you live, it's what you know that counts. Patrick Moore has never lived on the Moon or even been into space, but I'd still trust his opinion on what's going on outside the Earth's atmosphere! 

Interesting that you highlight an astromoner, a surveryor and explorer of new places.

If only you lot had shown the same adventurous spirit over the last five years, scouring the highways and byways of Belfast.

You might have found us all a better site than the maze.