Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[snatter]

Maybe the OWC should consider sharing with the motorbike track crowd.

Happy to share with anybody but I doubt that FIFA will let us play matches on a raod outside Antrim  

What will a Belfast soccer stadium cost?

About 1/4 of the cost of the Maze depending on design and capacity

Just how will the IFA even get a loan of £5m to kick start a design?

They'll apply for a grant the same as every other sporting body does (including the GAA).

And how much will they pay for their site?

[SammyG]

And how much will they pay for their site?

Depends on the site but it'll be a lot less than the Maze.

[snatter]

And how much will they pay for their site?

Depends on the site but it'll be a lot less than the Maze.

why?

[SammyG]

And how much will they pay for their site?

Depends on the site but it'll be a lot less than the Maze.

why?

Because it will be a fraction of the size and won't require huge infrastructure spend.

[snatter]

And how much will they pay for their site?

Depends on the site but it'll be a lot less than the Maze.

why?

Because it will be a fraction of the size and won't require huge infrastructure spend.

what would you say to those who claim that the pro-Belfast brigade's failure to find a suitable site in over four years of searching proves that there actually isn't one?

Finding one suitable to both communities has proved to be a nightmare, according to yesterday's Belfast Telegraph editorial.

And how would you counter PWC's claims that the extra expense of having to buy a high-cost Belfast site will offset the toal cost (free site & infrastructure) at the Maze?

[SammyG]

what would you say to those who claim that the pro-Belfast brigade's failure to find a suitable site in over four years of searching proves that there actually isn't one?

I would say that no one has actually been looking, as they've been awaiting the outcome of the Maze business case. There are at least 4 options (Blanchflower, North Foreshore, Titanic Quarter or upgrade WP) which may or may not be viable but need to be properly assesed.

Finding one suitable to both communities has proved to be a nightmare, according to yesterday's Belfast Telegraph editorial.

Apart from the fact that the Telegraph is paid for by NIO advertising and will therefore say or do anything to promote the Maze (even lie in it's editorials). This is clearly nonsense since we are talking about a football only stadium and football is now and always has been totally cross-community.

And how would you counter PWC's claims that the extra expense of having to buy a high-cost Belfast site will offset the toal cost (free site & infrastructure) at the Maze?

By the simple fact that the Maze is not free it is worth tens of millons (there was a proper valuation done but I haven't got the figure to hand). When this is taken into account the PWC figures are completely reversed and show that Belfast is considerable cheaper. City centre stadiums are cheaper to build and more cost effective to run. This has been shown to be the case, all over the world. You might have noticed that the GAA built Croke Park in Dublin not in a field outside Tullamore.

[Main Street]

Estimates for a 30,000 seater stadium are £140m for construction and infrastucture
Not including site clearing or land value.

Howard Wells

'Even now at Windsor we can't run international football on 13,000 tickets anyway. Our five-year plan now suggests we need an extra 7,000 tickets per match to just break even.'

[SammyG]

Estimates for a 30,000 seater stadium are £140m for construction and infrastucture
Not including site clearing or land value.

Not sure where that figure came from. The Liberty Stadium in Swansea (which would be perfect for footballs needs) opened less than 3 years ago and cost £27 million. Even allowing for inflation I doubt the cost would have gone up 5 fold in three years.

Howard Wells

'Even now at Windsor we can't run international football on 13,000 tickets anyway. Our five-year plan now suggests we need an extra 7,000 tickets per match to just break even.'

One of the few Hard Wells quotes that I agree with.

[T Fearon]

I wonder what Hard's strategy is for attracting Cross Community support for the team. With its current monocultural ethos, support and therefore income will always be restricted regardless of the size of the stadium.

By the way it has been my long held view that the Real Ireland team should be able to play at the New Provinicial Stadium as they have more supporters based in the six counties than the North's team. Also it would provide an additional revenue stream as well

[his holiness nb]

we are talking about a football only stadium and football is now and always has been totally cross-community.

Soccer yes, the NI football teams supporters, most certainly not, bar a small minority.
Certainly not a proportionate mix by any means.

And these are the people who are most relevant when deciding where the NI team will play.

At least we can admit we dont attract Unionists, that said, theres very little Sammy will admit to in general.

[Main Street]

Construction and infrastructure costs come from the detailed PWC report of which Sammy demonstrated incredible incompetence with comprehending basic tables and facts.
I doubt he even tried to.
So far I have yet to see one appraisal of the PWC report that challenges those figures and claimed that a 30k stadium in Belfast can be done for 100m, 90m, 80m, 70m or less.

[SammyG]

we are talking about a football only stadium and football is now and always has been totally cross-community.

Soccer yes, the NI football teams supporters, most certainly not, bar a small minority.Certainly not a proportionate mix by any means.

Two questions

1) When did I mention NI supporters?
2) What do you base your figures on?

And these are the people who are most relevant when deciding where the NI team will play.

Sorry who are 'the people'? If you mean the supporters then you couldn't be more wrong, we have been ignored at every turn. Even  though we've spent countless hours researching and analysing the various proposals and have (at last) been shown to be right.

At least we can admit we dont attract Unionists, that said, theres very little Sammy will admit to in general.

What am I not admiitting now?

[SammyG]

Construction and infrastructure costs come from the detailed PWC report of which Sammy demonstrated incredible incompetence with comprehending basic tables and facts.
I doubt he even tried to.

For the seventh time, I have not once, on this thread, mentioned or discussed the tables in the PWC report, much less shown any 'incredible incompetence'. I am happy to discuss the report, line by line, if you want but it wil;l probably get even more boring than this thread already is.

So far I have yet to see one appraisal of the PWC report that challenges those figures and claimed that a 30k stadium in Belfast can be done for 100m, 90m, 80m, 70m or less.

Err that would be because a full appraisal hasn't been done yet but if you take comparisons from other stadia (Swansea £27 million, Hull £44 million or Wigan £30 million etc) the £140 million seems to be a bit over the top (to say the least).

[Main Street]

Sorry who are 'the people'? If you mean the supporters then you couldn't be more wrong, we have been ignored at every turn. Even  though we've spent countless hours researching and analysing the various proposals and have (at last) been shown to be right.

And the best you could come with was the classic £100 ticket.
Not the brightest sparks these OWC experts are they?

[SammyG]

Sorry who are 'the people'? If you mean the supporters then you couldn't be more wrong, we have been ignored at every turn. Even  though we've spent countless hours researching and analysing the various proposals and have (at last) been shown to be right.

And the best you could come with was the classic £100 ticket.
Not the brightest sparks these OWC experts are they?

For the eighth time (Christ this is getting tedious), the £100 ticket is in relation to one specific section of the PWC report, as you are well aware.