Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[snatter]

Stop squirming Sammy, you have been caught out once again, and no amounts of insults about peoples intelligence as is all to common from yourself (classy btw) will get you out of it.

In fact I must say thank you, you really have made me laugh today. 

How the fcuk have I been 'caught out'?

snatter said GAA was 'NI's best supported sport', which I disputed

Jim M said "that Gaelic Games are the best attended field-sports on this island (north or south)", which I haven't disputed

Two different answers to two different questions.

It really isn't that difficult.

Sammy G,

you are most clearly lying, and even worse attempting to fraudulently manufacture quotes in my name.
You have some nerve, I reckon we'd need a team of 20 just to keep tabs on your lies and fabrications.

For the record, despite your manufactured quotation marks, I most clearly did not state

snatter said GAA was 'NI's best supported sport', which I disputed

I, like Jim, claimed that it was the best attended sport:

But to be clear, if it does get built, as NI's best attended sport, we'd be passionate about making sure that we get catered for.

Interesting I didn't know you were passionate about motorbike racing and also didn't know that it was included in the Maze proposals. Can you give me some details?

Yet another lie to add to the total.
Discredited yet again, its becoming a habit.

[Main Street]

Maybe Sammy is just being ironic (by his definition)

[SammyG]

Stop squirming Sammy, you have been caught out once again, and no amounts of insults about peoples intelligence as is all to common from yourself (classy btw) will get you out of it.

In fact I must say thank you, you really have made me laugh today. 

How the fcuk have I been 'caught out'?

snatter said GAA was 'NI's best supported sport', which I disputed

Jim M said "that Gaelic Games are the best attended field-sports on this island (north or south)", which I haven't disputed

Two different answers to two different questions.

It really isn't that difficult.

Sammy G,

you are most clearly lying, and even worse attempting to fraudulently manufacture quotes in my name.
You have some nerve, I reckon we'd need a team of 20 just to keep tabs on your lies and fabrications.

For the record, despite your manufactured quotation marks, I most clearly did not state

snatter said GAA was 'NI's best supported sport', which I disputed

I, like Jim, claimed that it was the best attended sport:

But to be clear, if it does get built, as NI's best attended sport, we'd be passionate about making sure that we get catered for.

Interesting I didn't know you were passionate about motorbike racing and also didn't know that it was included in the Maze proposals. Can you give me some details?

Yet another lie to add to the total.
Discredited yet again, its becoming a habit.

Apologies I meant attended that was a typo, but it doesn't effect the overall point. You said sport in NI, Jim said field-sport on the whole island. Two totally different things

[snatter]

Stop squirming Sammy, you have been caught out once again, and no amounts of insults about peoples intelligence as is all to common from yourself (classy btw) will get you out of it.

In fact I must say thank you, you really have made me laugh today. 

How the fcuk have I been 'caught out'?

snatter said GAA was 'NI's best supported sport', which I disputed

Jim M said "that Gaelic Games are the best attended field-sports on this island (north or south)", which I haven't disputed

Two different answers to two different questions.

It really isn't that difficult.

Sammy G,

you are most clearly lying, and even worse attempting to fraudulently manufacture quotes in my name.
You have some nerve, I reckon we'd need a team of 20 just to keep tabs on your lies and fabrications.

For the record, despite your manufactured quotation marks, I most clearly did not state

snatter said GAA was 'NI's best supported sport', which I disputed

I, like Jim, claimed that it was the best attended sport:

But to be clear, if it does get built, as NI's best attended sport, we'd be passionate about making sure that we get catered for.

Interesting I didn't know you were passionate about motorbike racing and also didn't know that it was included in the Maze proposals. Can you give me some details?

Yet another lie to add to the total.
Discredited yet again, its becoming a habit.

Apologies I meant attended that was a typo, but it doesn't effect the overall point. You said sport in NI, Jim said field-sport on the whole island. Two totally different things

Yes it bloody well does affect the point.
I, like Jim, would possibly accept that more people in NOrthern Ireland support English soccer premiership teams.

But in terms of actual attendances, gaelic football is the best attended sport within Northern Ireland by a country mile.

I can't think of any other sport (field sport or non-field sport) that comes close.


If you had any grace, you'd finally concede the point.

[nifan]

Anyway, back on topic. The article by Feeney really hit the nail on the head imo. Maybe not for all NI fans but for a huge amount, in my personal opinion.
The only reason nobody will admit this is that they will be told to cop on and stop being bigots.

What do you base this opinion on?

[lynchbhoy]

would have thought a lot of the attendance for motor sports were southerners/mexicans etc as well.
I know a few motor-racing-mad folk that go up there to see glimpses of zooming vehicles blurring by (and getting rat-faced on bad booze too).

You have to spell it out for poor sam - he has a point  in a way though, the motor racing is prob one of the biggest attended 'sports' actually HELD in NI
though a number of GAA championship games in Casement, Celtic Park Derry city, Healy park Omagh etc would surely be up there, and overall eclipse the numbes at motor sports when added up over the year, making Gaelic games the best attended sports in NI - as well as having the most NI based folk attend them as well (in the aforementioned grounds and then also in Clones, Croke park etc).

[SammyG]

If you had any grace, you'd finally concede the point.

I won't concede the point because I don't believe it. As I've already said motorbike racing is the best attended sport in NI (even if you take Donagh's figures rather than the official ones).

[snatter]

would have thought a lot of the attendance for motor sports were southerners/mexicans etc as well.
I know a few motor-racing-mad folk that go up there to see glimpses of zooming vehicles blurring by (and getting rat-faced on bad booze too).

You have to spell it out for poor sam - he has a point  in a way though, the motor racing is prob one of the biggest attended 'sports' actually HELD in NI
though a number of GAA championship games in Casement, Celtic Park Derry city, Healy park Omagh etc would surely be up there, and overall eclipse the numbes at motor sports when added up over the year, making Gaelic games the best attended sports in NI - as well as having the most NI based folk attend them as well (in the aforementioned grounds and then also in Clones, Croke park etc).

I phrased it another way for him:

So let me put it another way, on the basis of the figures I've given, would you accept that, of people who live in Northern Ireland who have attended a major sport event in the preceding year, a higher proportion would have attended a major gaelic football match than any other major competition, and that they attended more times?

If the Maze were ever built he wouldn't have this smokescreen to throw up.
It would highlight just how gaelic football is the most attended sport amongst  NI residents.

[SammyG]

I phrased it another way for him:

So let me put it another way, on the basis of the figures I've given, would you accept that, of people who live in Northern Ireland who have attended a major sport event in the preceding year, a higher proportion would have attended a major gaelic football match than any other major competition, and that they attended more times?

Apart from motorbike racing, that would be correct and ceratinly in terms of field sports it is definitely correct (and I've never disputed it)

If the Maze were ever built he wouldn't have this smokescreen to throw up.

What smokescreen? I have never disputed your figures or that GAA matches are well attended. I have only disputed your claim that GAA is the best attended sport in NI.

It would highlight just how gaelic football is the most attended sport amongst  NI residents.

Not sure how you figure that. Even PWC (with there ridiculously inflated figures) only show the GAA having 5.5 matches per year with 150000 total attendance, still less than motorbiking.

[nifan]

sammy, those are the figures for matches in the maze potentially, not for all spectators of gaa, which nobody here has shown.

[SammyG]

sammy, those are the figures for matches in the maze potentially, not for all spectators of gaa, which nobody here has shown.

Agreed but we're only discussing the attendance at 'big events', if you include all the small events the motobike figures are even higher (as are the GAA figures obviously)

[Main Street]

Maybe the OWC should consider sharing with the motorbike track crowd.

What will a Belfast soccer stadium cost?

Just how will the IFA even get a loan of £5m to kick start a design?

[T Fearon]

The real shame here and indictment on how the six counties works is that a relative handful of bigots (ie North of Ireland soccer fans who number between 5,000 and 12,000 depending on the fortunes of the team) can scupper a brand new badly needed multi use stadium, flying in the face of professional consultants, governments etc, even when the parent body that runs soccer ( albeit on a monocultural basis) the IFA, consents to the stadium.

As I said before it merely proves that the six county statelet is unbiased as the majority tribal leaders have to pander constantly to the bigotry of their tribe instead of taking decisionson the basis of the wider populace, which is how proper functioning democracies work.

Thats the way it always has been up here and always will be until partition is ended

[Main Street]

Tony, have you a few letters already in the pipeline?

[SammyG]

Maybe the OWC should consider sharing with the motorbike track crowd.

Happy to share with anybody but I doubt that FIFA will let us play matches on a raod outside Antrim  

What will a Belfast soccer stadium cost?

About 1/4 of the cost of the Maze depending on design and capacity

Just how will the IFA even get a loan of £5m to kick start a design?

They'll apply for a grant the same as every other sporting body does (including the GAA).