Video in Good Shepherd Chapel - Niamh Horan

[T Fearon]

This was debated on Good Morning Ulster, and a Niamh Horan a journalist apparently, who said "she believed in God and went to Mass" but then ridiculed the attitude of the church to simulated sex on the altar, as if they should be welcoming this and even celebrating it taking place in a church!

Ffs now I can understand ( though don't agree with) anti Catholicism, atheism, etc but I doubt even the most cynical atheist would be so insensitive or stupid to think that the Church should tolerate videos of this nature filmed inside churches

[theskull1]

This was debated on Good Morning Ulster, and a Niamh Horan a journalist apparently, who said "she believed in God and went to Mass" but then ridiculed the attitude of the church to simulated sex on the altar, as if they should be welcoming this and even celebrating it taking place in a church!

Ffs now I can understand ( though don't agree with) anti Catholicism, atheism, etc but I doubt even the most cynical atheist would be so insensitive or stupid to think that the Church should tolerate videos of this nature filmed inside churches

And you'd be right

Whilst on the subject of tolerance, what say you about the level of tolerance the Church has had toward their child abusing "moral compasses" and in the context of this incident, which is worse?

[T Fearon]

The church didn't "tolerate" child abuse,it without doubt  mishandled it in the distant past,but now has the most robust child and vulnerable adult protection policies of any institution in Ireland.

What really got me about this Horan one was her arrogant attitude that "her God approves of sex,even on church altars" manifested in her constant butting in interrupting the other interviewee , who happened to be the farmer from outside Bangor who interrupted Rihanna's video shoot in one of his fields a few years ago.

[theskull1]

tolerate
ˈtɒləreɪt/Submit
verb
1.
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference.
"a regime unwilling to tolerate dissent"
synonyms:   allow, permit, authorize, sanction, condone, indulge, agree to, accede to, approve of; endure, put up with, bear, take, stand, support, submit to, stomach, undergo; accept, swallow, brook, countenance, admit of, recognize, acknowledge; ignore, turn a blind eye to, wink at; thole; informalstick, hack, abide; informalwear, be doing with; archaicsuffer
"their leader would not tolerate serious dissent"

Fair enough then Tony 

[Orior]

Those responsible for the video were disrespectful to the church. It was like going to a neighbour's house and taking a dump on the floor of their living room.

[THE MIGHTY QUINN]

Had they done it in a Mosque there'd be a fatwa out on them. Mind you the Rubberbandits didn't exactly cover themselves in glory making the video for Horse Outside in a church

[armaghniac]

Those responsible for the video were disrespectful to the church. It was like going to a neighbour's house and taking a dump on the floor of their living room.

No Orior, if these people were Catholics then they would deserve it because of something that some other Catholic did sometime somewhere.

[Pangurban]

The decline in Religion generally has led to a society where there is no longer any moral or even civic values. The so called freedoms espoused by the liberal media, stand exposed as nothing but licence to indulge in any form of licentiousness or corruption. Attacks on young and old are treated as trivial offences in our Courts, even the daily murders are tolerated. A society that has no respect for itself, can hardly be called upon too respect others. The outrage in the Good Shepherd was Blasphemy Which used to be a crime deserving off moral outrage. Today it is no longer a crime and we are too acceptively permissive,  think ourselves too intelligent , cool and trendy, to even feign any sense of outrage. God help our children and grand-children we are bequeathing them some legacy

[T Fearon]

100% agree with you Pangurban.The influence of churches and religion in days gone by in this country (particularly the Southern part thereof) is now bemoaned as being repressive etc but it did foster much stronger morality,honesty and in my opinion greater communal spirit and dare I say it general happiness.

Now,anything goes.The attitude of this journalist Horan was bizarre.She is convinced that her God would celebrate sex on altars! As the well known actress and parishioner of The Good Shepherd Church in Belfast said,"What is the world coming to?"

[omaghjoe]

I didn't hear the Nolan show nor do I think would I want to. there is only one reason he would get someone with that attitude on and that is to cause more outrage.

I fully agree with the sentiments above we are increasingly living in a society that is questioning traditions and beliefs that have been handed down through the generations, stood the test of time and shaped our society in the process. Turning against these tried and tested methods for living will lead to society becoming less cohesive with serious consequences some of which we are actually now seeing.

Some of the questions i have:

Why is adultery not a crime? Legal promise made but if broken...no actual big deal legally??? But serious consequences for the family in the short term and long term.

Why is gambling legal? What actual purpose does it serve?

Why is porn legal? Seriously.... how? when? why?

I'm sure there is a big temptation to paint me as some sort of political radical right winger but I am actually not. Politically I am more left wing as I believe there is more compassion and values on the left instead of the greed and prejudice on the right. However because of its openness the left is hijacked by loose morals proposing to be for freedom of expression, liberty or whatever else.

[haranguerer]

In your world, it seems everything should be illegal unless we decide otherwise. Sounds like a good place.

[theskull1]

Those last 2 3 posts take me to the fair. In total denial about the depraved hypocrisy of moral compasses for god knows how long who took full advantage of peoples innocence and subservience which, when it was exposed, took large swathes of people who question away from a belief system which would put up with such depravity. It shook people into rethinking about the belief in a Church which would protect its own at all cost regardless of the damage done to its flock.
So bemoan all youse want boys. Who knows where moral thresholds will end up but don't think your beloved church hasn't helped bring about the secularisation of educated societies. So if you're going to whinge at anyone, whinge at the leaders of the church.

[guy crouchback]

100% agree with you Pangurban.The influence of churches and religion in days gone by in this country (particularly the Southern part thereof) is now bemoaned as being repressive etc but it did foster much stronger morality,honesty and in my opinion greater communal spirit and dare I say it general happiness.

Now,anything goes.The attitude of this journalist Horan was bizarre.She is convinced that her God would celebrate sex on altars! As the well known actress and parishioner of The Good Shepherd Church in Belfast said,"What is the world coming to?"

i don't knowwhat this story is about, but i do know that Niamh Horan is one of the biggest fools in Irish journalism today.  her articles for the sunday independent sum up every thing that is wrong with  that paper and  on top of that she can hardly write coherent English.
niamh horan represents no one but herself the only way to deal with her is completely ignore her.

[brokencrossbar1]

Why is adultery not a crime? Legal promise made but if broken...no actual big deal legally??? But serious consequences for the family in the short term and long term.

Omaghjoe,   agree with much of what you say.  In regards to the above this is a civil contract and is dealt with through the law by way of rescinding the contract, or divorce.  If someone commits adultery then they can be hit financially in the ending of the marriage, either through fixing the costs against them or through the leverage that the other person has in terms of a financial settlement.  There is very little else that you can do.

I don't believe that the world has had the complete moral breakdown that people seem to think is happening.  There is an increasing population worldwide so obviously there will be more crime.  There is also 24 hour media coverage of everything that happens and things are fired at us all the time.  It seems that there is so much more happening but there isn't really.

[Bensars]

Niamh Horan has been trying for the past 18 months to be the Irish equivalent of the outspoken Katie Hopkins in the UK. Going against the grain to cause a bit of controversy. She is a gutter press journalist( in the loosest term)  of the highest order and would be ideally suited for a red top publication.
She courted controversy last year also with her rant on Kenny egan and drug use.