prods in the 26

[lawnseed]

so your 'insight' to 'prods in the 26' is Christians singing carols together in Waterford a couple of days before thee "Christian's" birthday? yeah.. that graham Norton hasn't a notion what he's talking about there's no problem ding dong Merrily in waterford

I go to service every week with my wife and intend to raise my son in the Church of Ireland. I don't know why I'm bothering sharing that with you though because, like all good Shinners drones, when the facts change you ignore the facts.

finally.. ive  been waiting for you.. you couldn't have a single thread without shinner this or that.. next thing it'll be hitler and nazis

[Milltown Row2]

Lawnweed even makes Syfín sound like a rock of sense.
I've 2 near relations married to Prods and apart from saying "Thank Goodness" instead of "Thank God" they're no different to us just like the other small few that live around here.
I suppose their parents and certainly their grandparents might have had some affinity for Britain and its monarch but the current generation couldn't care less and are involved in Gaelic games etc.

How many protestants in Northern Ireland are involved in Gaelic Games?  Not many I'd say.  Presumably you are referring to the offspring of "mixed" marriages were the children are more often raised as catholics.

How many Catholics played Irish League football? Even during the troubles? Where they had (and still do) to put up with sectarian abuse, anti-catholic banners, songs, British flags/anthems etc? Yet they still played the game, all through that abuse. Maybe they just wanted to play the game, no matter what.

On the other hand, Protestants moan about the GAA being a no go area for Protestants. But no matter what the GAA do now or in the future, it still won't be enough for the vast majority of unionists. They wouldn't want to play GAA anyway.

I know loads of Prods who are very interested in Gaelic games, but having played rugby they never had the opportunity to play. At my school I'd have loved to have played soccer never had the chance as the school refused to play English sports.

I've been to many a Cliftonville game during the troubles and funny enough there was plenty of abuse thrown at the Linfield/Glentornan players throughout the season, oh and anti Prod banners

I don't see your point if Prods don't want to play the so what, ya can't force these things on people

[lawnseed]

Lawnweed even makes Syfín sound like a rock of sense.
I've 2 near relations married to Prods and apart from saying "Thank Goodness" instead of "Thank God" they're no different to us just like the other small few that live around here.
I suppose their parents and certainly their grandparents might have had some affinity for Britain and its monarch but the current generation couldn't care less and are involved in Gaelic games etc.

near relations?? you mean ones you don't go out with

[Rossfan]

Lawnweed even makes Syfín sound like a rock of sense.
I've 2 near relations married to Prods and apart from saying "Thank Goodness" instead of "Thank God" they're no different to us just like the other small few that live around here.
I suppose their parents and certainly their grandparents might have had some affinity for Britain and its monarch but the current generation couldn't care less and are involved in Gaelic games etc.

How many protestants in Northern Ireland are involved in Gaelic Games?  Not many I'd say.  Presumably you are referring to the offspring of "mixed" marriages were the children are more often raised as catholics.

I'm not actually  I'm referring to the sons ( and daughters) of Protestant parents a number of whom i know are involved in Gaelic games.

I like the way you can draw conclusions about their nationality / identity?  So if they are involved in Gaelic Games, there is no way that they can have a British identity  or affinity for Britain?

I know the people in question Michaelín and they have no more affinity with Great Britain than I have. They haven't got or want any British nationality/affinity and as one said " How the fcuk could I be British for goodness sake?"

[Milltown Row2]

Lawnweed even makes Syfín sound like a rock of sense.
I've 2 near relations married to Prods and apart from saying "Thank Goodness" instead of "Thank God" they're no different to us just like the other small few that live around here.
I suppose their parents and certainly their grandparents might have had some affinity for Britain and its monarch but the current generation couldn't care less and are involved in Gaelic games etc.

How many protestants in Northern Ireland are involved in Gaelic Games?  Not many I'd say.  Presumably you are referring to the offspring of "mixed" marriages were the children are more often raised as catholics.

I'm not actually  I'm referring to the sons ( and daughters) of Protestant parents a number of whom i know are involved in Gaelic games.

I like the way you can draw conclusions about their nationality / identity?  So if they are involved in Gaelic Games, there is no way that they can have a British identity  or affinity for Britain?

I know the people in question Michaelín and they have no more affinity with Great Britain than I have. They haven't got or want any British nationality/affinity and as one said " How the fcuk could I be British for goodness sake?"

Like saying Dutch Prods have a British nationality/affinity

[lawnseed]

we could snipe away for 6 months at this. what do we know about prods in the 26? its all hearsay and comparisons with nordie land not really much point..

[Rossfan]

we could snipe away for 6 months at this. what do we I know about prods in the 26? its all hearsay and comparisons with nordie land not really much point..

Fixed that for you.
I think myself and Deiseach might know a little biteen about some of them anyway.

[theskull1]

I don't see your point if Prods don't want to play the so what, ya can't force these things on people

In Antrim we need to MR. Until Ballyclare Thrashers are up and running we'll never win the whole of Ireland hurling championship 

[BennyCake]

Lawnweed even makes Syfín sound like a rock of sense.
I've 2 near relations married to Prods and apart from saying "Thank Goodness" instead of "Thank God" they're no different to us just like the other small few that live around here.
I suppose their parents and certainly their grandparents might have had some affinity for Britain and its monarch but the current generation couldn't care less and are involved in Gaelic games etc.

How many protestants in Northern Ireland are involved in Gaelic Games?  Not many I'd say.  Presumably you are referring to the offspring of "mixed" marriages were the children are more often raised as catholics.

How many Catholics played Irish League football? Even during the troubles? Where they had (and still do) to put up with sectarian abuse, anti-catholic banners, songs, British flags/anthems etc? Yet they still played the game, all through that abuse. Maybe they just wanted to play the game, no matter what.

On the other hand, Protestants moan about the GAA being a no go area for Protestants. But no matter what the GAA do now or in the future, it still won't be enough for the vast majority of unionists. They wouldn't want to play GAA anyway.

I know loads of Prods who are very interested in Gaelic games, but having played rugby they never had the opportunity to play. At my school I'd have loved to have played soccer never had the chance as the school refused to play English sports.

I've been to many a Cliftonville game during the troubles and funny enough there was plenty of abuse thrown at the Linfield/Glentornan players throughout the season, oh and anti Prod banners

I don't see your point if Prods don't want to play the so what, ya can't force these things on people

In a roundabout way, that is the point I was making. Many many Protestants don't want to, or will ever want to play GAA. That's why I said, that no matter what the GAA do to try and please the unionists, it won't matter, as they wont want to play it.

[lawnseed]

we could snipe away for 6 months at this. what do we I know about prods in the 26? its all hearsay and comparisons with nordie land not really much point..

Fixed that for you.
I think myself and Deiseach might know a little biteen about some of them anyway.

are you sure you don't actually live in the film 'the quiet man' take a quick look around. is john wayne spanking Maureen ohara again for being bold?
you point to two isolated examples of 1. carol singing in Waterford at xmas and 2. people of dubious parentage who married prods and 'ass' ume that its a done deal. when in fact if your looking for examples of trouble in the 26 you need look no further than this years football season to see problems between gaelic players in relation to religion.
graham Norton 'IS' a 26 prod and a highly paid tv/radio presenter and he has written and talked about this feeling of isolation and loneliness as a prod being brought up in west cork. 'HE' has described 26 county Ireland as an unwelcoming place for prods in the british press.. I obviously need to let him know about your 'sort of' relations and deiseachs carol service and tell him hes got it all wrong.. for nearly 35 years

[Myles Na G.]

Lawnweed even makes Syfín sound like a rock of sense.
I've 2 near relations married to Prods and apart from saying "Thank Goodness" instead of "Thank God" they're no different to us just like the other small few that live around here.
I suppose their parents and certainly their grandparents might have had some affinity for Britain and its monarch but the current generation couldn't care less and are involved in Gaelic games etc.

How many protestants in Northern Ireland are involved in Gaelic Games?  Not many I'd say.  Presumably you are referring to the offspring of "mixed" marriages were the children are more often raised as catholics.

How many Catholics played Irish League football? Even during the troubles? Where they had (and still do) to put up with sectarian abuse, anti-catholic banners, songs, British flags/anthems etc? Yet they still played the game, all through that abuse. Maybe they just wanted to play the game, no matter what.

On the other hand, Protestants moan about the GAA being a no go area for Protestants. But no matter what the GAA do now or in the future, it still won't be enough for the vast majority of unionists. They wouldn't want to play GAA anyway.

'Irishness' has nothing whatsoever to do with whether one enjoys gaelic games or not. Prods in the north are more into rugby and football, which entitles them to be considered at least as Irish as BOD or Robbie Keane, I would've thought. There are also many northern nationalists, particularly in urban areas, who would draw their curtains if an All Ireland final was being played in their back garden. Does that make them less Irish than GAA types?

Why would northern Protestants want to be considered as Irish as Robbie Keane? They don't consider themselves in any way Irish.

And Irish or Irishness hasn't been mentioned. Not by me anyway.

I suspect they would want to considered as Irish as Robbie in the sense of being from and belonging to the island of Ireland, regardless of whether they feel an allegiance to a parliament in Dublin or London. Too many posters on this board would still be of the opinion that Ulster prods are 'invaders' or 'immigrants'. Ridiculous view, imo.

[BennyCake]

I suspect they would want to considered as Irish as Robbie in the sense of being from and belonging to the island of Ireland, regardless of whether they feel an allegiance to a parliament in Dublin or London. Too many posters on this board would still be of the opinion that Ulster prods are 'invaders' or 'immigrants'. Ridiculous view, imo.

As far as unionists are concerned, The North is part of the UK/Britain. I wouldn't imagine they would recognise themselves as being in any way similar to someone from the the South. They have a Btitish identity, so being on the same island means diddly squat to them. In the same way, folk in Gibraltar are in the same country/area as Spain, but they don't consider themselves as Spanish.

[BennyCake]

we could snipe away for 6 months at this. what do we I know about prods in the 26? its all hearsay and comparisons with nordie land not really much point..

Fixed that for you.
I think myself and Deiseach might know a little biteen about some of them anyway.

are you sure you don't actually live in the film 'the quiet man' take a quick look around. is john wayne spanking Maureen ohara again for being bold?
you point to two isolated examples of 1. carol singing in Waterford at xmas and 2. people of dubious parentage who married prods and 'ass' ume that its a done deal. when in fact if your looking for examples of trouble in the 26 you need look no further than this years football season to see problems between gaelic players in relation to religion.
graham Norton 'IS' a 26 prod and a highly paid tv/radio presenter and he has written and talked about this feeling of isolation and loneliness as a prod being brought up in west cork. 'HE' has described 26 county Ireland as an unwelcoming place for prods in the british press.. I obviously need to let him know about your 'sort of' relations and deiseachs carol service and tell him hes got it all wrong.. for nearly 35 years

I would imagine this isolation could be partly related to the sports/pastimes that is associated with the Protestant churches in the South. Also, maybe the fact they are in the minority, they tend to stick with their own kind.

[Myles Na G.]

I suspect they would want to considered as Irish as Robbie in the sense of being from and belonging to the island of Ireland, regardless of whether they feel an allegiance to a parliament in Dublin or London. Too many posters on this board would still be of the opinion that Ulster prods are 'invaders' or 'immigrants'. Ridiculous view, imo.

As far as unionists are concerned, The North is part of the UK/Britain. I wouldn't imagine they would recognise themselves as being in any way similar to someone from the the South. They have a Btitish identity, so being on the same island means diddly squat to them. In the same way, folk in Gibraltar are in the same country/area as Spain, but they don't consider themselves as Spanish.

They are similar to someone from the south in that they belong to the same island. The fact that they believe that their part of the island should have a political connection with Britain is a political view. You, and people who share your view, seem to think that this political opinion somehow disqualifies them from being considered properly Irish (i.e belonging to or from the island of Ireland). I disagree. Politics, religion, sporting preferences, etc, shouldn't come in to it.

[BennyCake]

I suspect they would want to considered as Irish as Robbie in the sense of being from and belonging to the island of Ireland, regardless of whether they feel an allegiance to a parliament in Dublin or London. Too many posters on this board would still be of the opinion that Ulster prods are 'invaders' or 'immigrants'. Ridiculous view, imo.

As far as unionists are concerned, The North is part of the UK/Britain. I wouldn't imagine they would recognise themselves as being in any way similar to someone from the the South. They have a Btitish identity, so being on the same island means diddly squat to them. In the same way, folk in Gibraltar are in the same country/area as Spain, but they don't consider themselves as Spanish.

They are similar to someone from the south in that they belong to the same island. The fact that they believe that their part of the island should have a political connection with Britain is a political view. You, and people who share your view, seem to think that this political opinion somehow disqualifies them from being considered properly Irish (i.e belonging to or from the island of Ireland). I disagree. Politics, religion, sporting preferences, etc, shouldn't come in to it.

Shouldn't, but it does. That's the reality.

I'm not the one saying Northern Protestants aren't Irish. They say it themselves.