Updated Disciplinary System

[johnneycool]

So, if you are about to sub a player off, he might as well commit a black card offence......

Yeah so any player who's emptied the tank should bring a player down but make sure he hasn't a yellow beforehand otherwise he can't be replaced.

Heads pickled with this, some difficult questions on that subject will be asked no doubt (we've a seminar next week on rules), the first week of refereeing should be interesting. The hurling ones think it won't affect them much, I doubt it though

The black card isn't being used in hurling as cynical fouling doesn't happen 

[Wee Roddy]

Referee's job is to apply the rules of the game and not to apply "common sense ".

All I really want to see in a referee is consistency.

Yes but what are the rules. There are so many different interpretations used throughout the coarse of one match. If you asked a ref why he booked such and such for one thing and 10 minutes later he didn't book someone for the same thing in the other team, half of them couldn't answer you. Its a tough job but you need "common sense" and a basic understanding of football to be able to referee football.

[CD]

This is a rule I can't wait to see applied correctly.

Advantage Rule is defined as:
"When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action."

One thing I noticed a lot this season was that some referees allow an advantage when there isn't one. The classic example is when a player is fouled as he breaks a tackle and is slowed down. As he breaks the tackle he is waved on but then runs into a wall of 3 or 4 more players almost immediately and is forced to overcarry or is dispossessed. My take on this rule is that a ref can keep his arm aloft and come back to the original foul up to 5 seconds later. If applied correctly, this is a welcome change.

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah best rule for a while. Be complaints though. That was more than five seconds ref!!

[CD]

Yeah best rule for a while. Be complaints though. That was more than five seconds ref!!

Hopefully refs will be a bit more discretionary and not stick to precisely 5 seconds.

[Milltown Row2]

Yeah best rule for a while. Be complaints though. That was more than five seconds ref!!

Hopefully refs will be a bit more discretionary and not stick to precisely 5 seconds.

Again as someone has already mentioned, the referees are there to apply the rules and not to use there own rules. Anyways should be a good laugh at the start, well versed in getting abuse from the line, be no different this year only different rules they will be shouting quoting at me.

Only time I never hear them shout is when one of their players punches someone in the face, strange that they never shout to get him off ref ffs he's an animal!!

[Zulu]

Again as someone has already mentioned, the referees are there to apply the rules and not to use there own rules.

Have you admitted to not doing that when refereeing hurling MR2? Many hurling referees certainly do not apply the rules as per the rule book and seem to be applauded for doing so. People who say 'the referees are there to apply the rules and not to use their own rules' have never tried to ref IMO because if you did you'd soon find out that many physical conformations in both codes occupy that grey area where you could give a free (often either way). If you went out and strictly applied the rules you'd have no game at all so common sense is necessary and is done all the time.

[Milltown Row2]

Again as someone has already mentioned, the referees are there to apply the rules and not to use there own rules.

Have you admitted to not doing that when refereeing hurling MR2? Many hurling referees certainly do not apply the rules as per the rule book and seem to be applauded for doing so. People who say 'the referees are there to apply the rules and not to use their own rules' have never tried to ref IMO because if you did you'd soon find out that many physical conformations in both codes occupy that grey area where you could give a free (often either way). If you went out and strictly applied the rules you'd have no game at all so common sense is necessary and is done all the time.

And I do apply the rules to how I'd like it to be applied when I play/played, it was someone else who wanted the rules applied to the letter just like P Hughes did against us last weekend which made a crap game IMO  .

The advantage rule will actually give me more abilty to do that as I do try and let play continue so I'll be able to bring it back. The key is to ensure you raise the arm and let the players know advantage being played.

[Milltown Row2]

Well after last nights seminar on the black card rule I'm a little bit more clued in on the rules, though there are some questions that have been raised that are needing clarification by Croke.

6 subs was a new one I must have missed this year

[Rossfan]

The 6 Subs thing was well publicised as part of the package at the time.
Refs eh ... Tut tut !!

[AZOffaly]

Milltown, myself and a couple of bucks were chatting about this last week. My understanding is...

Teams now have 6 subs they can use in the course of a game. HOWEVER...

- Each time they replace a black cardee, that counts as one of the 6.
- They can only replace a maximum of 3 black cardees
- They cannot replace a black cardee if a) they have already made 6 replacements of whatever sort or b) they have already replaced 3 blackguards.

Am I right?

[Milltown Row2]

Milltown, myself and a couple of bucks were chatting about this last week. My understanding is...

Teams now have 6 subs they can use in the course of a game. HOWEVER...

- Each time they replace a black cardee, that counts as one of the 6.
- They can only replace a maximum of 3 black cardees
- They cannot replace a black cardee if a) they have already made 6 replacements of whatever sort or b) they have already replaced 3 blackguards.

Am I right?

Yeah correct

[Milltown Row2]

At club level the black cards don't give suspensions after receiving so many of them unlike the yellow cards, but this will be in place for County games.

Was a decent seminar in fairness with plenty of clips of the various fouls, though Pat was spot on with the use of the word deliberate, the body checks need to be deliberate, the pull downs need to be deliberate and that judgement is down to the referee. we all know when someone pulls someone down, but there may be cases were accidental clash pull people down or tangled legs in a tackle. Jersey pulls will still be just a free unless he pulls him deliberately to the ground.

Here are a few areas of concern, jersey being pulled player throws himself to the ground to get that person a black card. A player deliberately running into a player in an attempt to get that person black carded for a blocking tackle. On that a player can stand his ground but if he moves into that player it's a black card. Be hard at the start, that's for sure

[Stall the Bailer]

milltown.

Will the forwards trick of pulling the defender arm and the two falling results in a black card?

[cornerback]

Milltown, myself and a couple of bucks were chatting about this last week. My understanding is...

Teams now have 6 subs they can use in the course of a game. HOWEVER...

- Each time they replace a black cardee, that counts as one of the 6.
- They can only replace a maximum of 3 black cardees
- They cannot replace a black cardee if a) they have already made 6 replacements of whatever sort or b) they have already replaced 3 blackguards.

Am I right?

Yeah correct

What about blood subs?