Updated Disciplinary System

[Fuzzman]

From what I have understood the ref will give a black card in that instance which will result in the player being subbed but not a red card where he can't be subbed.

Fouls like dragging a player down to intentionally stop his progress which used to be a yellow card will now be a black card.
The main problem for refs will be how to determine intent. You would hope you will only see the black card in VERY blatant incidents where the tackler makes no attempt to get the ball but just trips or pulls a man down to stop the play.
McEnaneney & Co seem to hoping that players & managers will be smart and just stop doing this pre-mediated fouls now. As so many people said after the infamous Sean Cavanagh incident last year that most players would have done the same as ye only get a yellow. Now you'll get a black card and so the hope is players won't chose to do this any more and so there won't be loads of black cards or subs used.
In the last 5 or 10 mins of a game though I think some players will still choose to by cynical if a player is through for a goal.

[trueblue1234]

I'd also imagine referees will so a bit of common sense at lower levels, if there are no subs I think most refs will be a bit slower to issue black cards. Lets give this a chance, a proper one, before we go slating it. As I said when it was introduced, I wouldn't have gone with a black card I would have gone with a sin bin. But there can be no doubt that some of the things going on are ruining football so something had to be done and now that this has been chosen I'm willing to give it a go.

No harm Zulu ref's taking their own "common sense" at interpreting the rules is a pretty big problem in itself. We shouldn't be bringing in rules that actually require this.

[CD]

From what I have understood the ref will give a black card in that instance which will result in the player being subbed but not a red card where he can't be subbed.

Fouls like dragging a player down to intentionally stop his progress which used to be a yellow card will now be a black card.
The main problem for refs will be how to determine intent. You would hope you will only see the black card in VERY blatant incidents where the tackler makes no attempt to get the ball but just trips or pulls a man down to stop the play.
McEnaneney & Co seem to hoping that players & managers will be smart and just stop doing this pre-mediated fouls now. As so many people said after the infamous Sean Cavanagh incident last year that most players would have done the same as ye only get a yellow. Now you'll get a black card and so the hope is players won't chose to do this any more and so there won't be loads of black cards or subs used.
In the last 5 or 10 mins of a game though I think some players will still choose to by cynical if a player is through for a goal.

I can see refs getting a lot of abuse on the pitch due to this. Players will challenge the refs call on the 'deliberate' nature of a challenge and I can see incidents escalating - particularly in the early stages of games when players come out 'pumped up' and adrenaline kicks in. Obviously refs will also have to be far more diligent in their record keeping and there will be a constant stream of appeals and complaints! Fun times

[Hound]

Question on the black card system for the men in black.

If a player is already on a yellow card and subsequently commits a clear black card offence I.e. deliberately trips an opponent do you issue the black card and have the player replaced or do you issue a second yellow and send them off as previous.

It has been confirmed that a player who gets a black card while having previously received a yellow will then get a red (a full house!) so will be sent from the field and no replacement allowed.

[Under Lights]

Lads your understanding is incorrect. The Official GAA twitter released this yesterday

[rory]

So, if you are about to sub a player off, he might as well commit a black card offence......

[Milltown Row2]

So, if you are about to sub a player off, he might as well commit a black card offence......

Yeah so any player who's emptied the tank should bring a player down but make sure he hasn't a yellow beforehand otherwise he can't be replaced.

Heads pickled with this, some difficult questions on that subject will be asked no doubt (we've a seminar next week on rules), the first week of refereeing should be interesting. The hurling ones think it won't affect them much, I doubt it though

[armaghniac]

In the last 5 or 10 mins of a game though I think some players will still choose to by cynical if a player is through for a goal.

One idea for this is that anyone sent off in the second half cannot also play in the first half of the following game. Hard to monitor, perhaps.

[Milltown Row2]

In the last 5 or 10 mins of a game though I think some players will still choose to by cynical if a player is through for a goal.

One idea for this is that anyone sent off in the second half cannot also play in the first half of the following game. Hard to monitor, perhaps.

I'd say almost impossible, as it will be a different referee, he could play a game for the thirds or not and claim he did

[Under Lights]

I'd also imagine referees will so a bit of common sense at lower levels, if there are no subs I think most refs will be a bit slower to issue black cards. Lets give this a chance, a proper one, before we go slating it. As I said when it was introduced, I wouldn't have gone with a black card I would have gone with a sin bin. But there can be no doubt that some of the things going on are ruining football so something had to be done and now that this has been chosen I'm willing to give it a go.

There is no point bringing in a rule unless it can be adhered to at all levels of the game. Otherwise it leads to inconsistency.

[Wee Roddy]

A few guys have mentioned common sense being used by referees. A problem in Tyrone is that referees aren't allowed to use common sense. A number of referees within Tyrone referee training games at our club including Inter County referees. The players like the idea as it gives them an understanding of what referees are looking for but they all will say that they have to stick to the letter of the law in championship games or they will not get another one. It is got to the stage now were as a spectator you could almost be certain whether the referee is being assessed or not. In this year county final Martin Sludden had an almost perfect game and you wouldn't have know he was there. Yet if it was a semi final he would have refereed it differently as he would have had to in order to get the final.  Its a known fact that Stephen McNamee had regular barneys with the assessors. Perhaps any Errigal posters could confirm this but after watching the Errigal Dromore match in this years championship, he phoned an Errigal player to apologise for missing a very bad tackle on him. Perhaps more should do this type of thing and they would gain the respect of the players instead of everyone opinion being along the limes of "that arrogant p***k".

[Rossfan]

. In this year county final Martin Sludden had an almost perfect game and you wouldn't have know he was there.

I'd say a lot of Louth people wish he'd not been in Croke Park in July 2010 ( or was that applying "common sense" - sure the ball is in the net it has to be a goal???)
Anyway let's wait and see how things pan out before we go down the Gaaboard route of "everything will be a disaster" or "we'll all be ruined says Hanrahan".
Anything that can stop deliberate fouling or make it unprofitable is to be welcomed. Problem is the new proposals may not be strong enough.

[Hardy]

Problem is the new proposals may do more to encourage deliberate feigning than they do to stop deliberate fouling.

[Milltown Row2]

Problem is the new proposals may do more to encourage deliberate feigning than they do to stop deliberate fouling.

Christ ya can't win!!! There is no doubt that it will happen "he trip me ref!!" "He blocked me of ref ffs" And if the referee doesn't get it right (according to the team who called for it) then he's a cheating cnut and hates our club!!

As for the assessing it's in all counties and referees do react differently, the 3 times I was assessed this year I didn't know till he came to me after the match 

I won't change my style of refereeing, and If I don't get the "big games" because of it so be it, ain't doing it to be the main man. Watched Hughes against us on Sunday, he must have been assessed that day 

[Canalman]

Referee's job is to apply the rules of the game and not to apply "common sense ".

All I really want to see in a referee is consistency.