Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[redzone]

Lmfao not for the first time I haven't read a post right. Still I think everyone would say the level of aggression is just not there unfortunately

[RedHand88]

Cavanagh is definitely not done!! Worst statement I've seen on here in a long time. He 'bluffs' (as you put it) in round the full back line because that's the role he is given. He could be as easily thrust into the full forward line and asked to play as a target man that he was as a minor when he won an all Ireland. If he was unleashed and allowed to carry the fight he would be a different animal.

That wouldn't work because Harte needs a sweeper as part of his system and there is no finer sweeper in Ireland. There is no trust in the panel for others to step up and Colm Cavanagh hasn't kicked a ball for his club and didn't feature in the latter league games.

McNulty and McClure surely have to be questioning their role in the setup. 

I thought McShane was very poor today. Mickey has a panel of 35ish? Are there any of the other 9 outside of the 26 named today going to be knocking the door down for a chance next day out?

Sure why not play Kyle coney ronie o Neill and Darren mccurry as sweepers too then sure they played starring roles for there minors in all ireland wins. Living in the past. I beg to differ on finer sweepers in ireland when you play a defensive system... Colly cav wouldn't lace cian o sullivans boots.. You think for one second cavanagh would make Dublin /kerry team.. I think not. Surely Richie donnelly has to be given a chance... Breed the new blood... Mick mckernan was standout... Ciaran mcloughlin worth a shout too

He just won an all star and plays for Ireland, but he wouldn't make the Dublin or Kerry team?? The nonsense on this forum gets worse every day. I hope to god the players don't read the drivel from fools like you.

[Delegater]

Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

That's quite the insight. Is this information readily available or do you have to be a county delegate to know this?

[Tyrone Gaa]

Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

That's quite the insight. Is this information readily available or do you have to be a county delegate to know this?

Tyrone committee meeting minutes are very accessible and the county rep would/should update their clubs of the happenings up there so its not secretive.  Our delegate would forward the minutes to anyone interested.  I do owe an apology to Mickey Harvey on checking the minutes.  The 3 Year term was a proposal by Petesy Kennedy seconded by C Corr.  Supported by 36 other delegates where 18 delegates supported a 2 year term.

Only 4 delegates supported a termination of term.

[Fuzzman]

Mattie and harte very quiet. For supposedly the teams 2 biggest leaders they need to step up on the big days. The team need to stand up for harte and the attention he gets on the field.

Couldn't agree more.
People said to me that leaders dont have to be shouting and talking to others but can show leadership in other ways.
I wonder how?

Yes Petey takes a lot of abuse and you don't see Matty or anyone else standing up for him or even "landing awkwardly on top of somebody"

Did ye see Walshe come over and shoulder and push someone as if he owned Healy park, yet our lads are almost scared to do anything like that in case they get a yellow card and a curly finger.

[BIGONE]

Very hard to counteract it other than to foul there players off the ball way out the field. Same as Dessie Maine did to Harte all day. Pulled and dragged him anytime he could off the play. I just don't think that we have that level of aggression. Mind you there is a few on the bench who have. H.p for one. Surely Rory Brennan should have lined up to man mark O'Connell who was man of the match for me. Did he not do a number on mchugh before.
Fuzz is right. I didn't see the half time incident but f**k me imangine that happening with Gormley or ricey or Jordan on the team. They would have been down the tunnel after them 
That s why I'm calling for a few to be let go. You might get by with having one or the other but if you don't have skill or aggression you are wasting your time

LMAO 

[longballin]

We got our answer as to how much Tyrone will miss Sean Cavanagh. Huge loss

[Tyrone Gaa]

We got our answer as to how much Tyrone will miss Sean Cavanagh. Huge loss

Don't think MH will be picking up the phone at any stage asking him to reconsider his retirement lol.

[BIGONE]

Not sure Sean is the answer. However, Tyrone County Board should be bending over backwards to try and entice O'Rourke and Porter to com on board next year! New ideas, bit of forward thinking, organisation - might just do the trick to get a relatively talented group of players playing to their potential.

[Taylor]

We got our answer as to how much Tyrone will miss Sean Cavanagh. Huge loss

Don't think MH will be picking up the phone at any stage asking him to reconsider his retirement lol.

That ship has sailed given some of Seans comments.

The book will be interesting if its warts and all

[redhandefender]

Extremely disappointed with that showing yesterday! We went ahead and didn't have the balls to go at them. If we are set up that way we need to take our chances when we get ahead and run the risk a bit more. Wee were so conservative we allowed them to creep back into the game.

We finished with one out and out forward on the page, that is a joke. the whole thing and all the baggage from the moaners has just made the entire thing go stale! Hartes interview after really angered me when I seen it this morning. The man has lost it!

But who would come in and take over? I can't think of nayone who would take the job after him, maybe canavan if he got the blessing.

[Fuzzman]

I always look for a silver lining and whilst I didn't see wan yesterday I can see one now.

We are NOT gonna win Sam anyway and I think 32 other counties can say that too so what I want is a nice long summer of Sat night games around the country every Sat night with pints and banter and actually playing some proper open football against NON Ulster teams and not just more recycling and the only kick passes you see is when your corner forward kicks it back 30 yards to a free man in midfield. Sad what our great game has become.

I told an old Monaghan man to stand up at half time to watch the entertaining kids game at half time cos we were all grumbling about the first half muck. A few times I called out "Look for it umpire"

Yes a wee run in the Sat night back door route would be great where Mickey will play the younger lads like McKernan and HP and where Lee Brennan will get a lot more time and space to express himself and not be scared to lose possession by trying something special.
Unlike what Mickey thinks, I do want to be entertained and not just get to an AI final winning ugly all the time. No thanks.

[southtyronegael]

Fuzzman, we haven't even got to an all Ireland final in 10 yrs playin ugly.

[Christmas Lights]

I always look for a silver lining and whilst I didn't see wan yesterday I can see one now.

We are NOT gonna win Sam anyway and I think 32 other counties can say that too so what I want is a nice long summer of Sat night games around the country every Sat night with pints and banter and actually playing some proper open football against NON Ulster teams and not just more recycling and the only kick passes you see is when your corner forward kicks it back 30 yards to a free man in midfield. Sad what our great game has become.

I told an old Monaghan man to stand up at half time to watch the entertaining kids game at half time cos we were all grumbling about the first half muck. A few times I called out "Look for it umpire"

Yes a wee run in the Sat night back door route would be great where Mickey will play the younger lads like McKernan and HP and where Lee Brennan will get a lot more time and space to express himself and not be scared to lose possession by trying something special.
Unlike what Mickey thinks, I do want to be entertained and not just get to an AI final winning ugly all the time. No thanks.

So you want to travel the lengths of the country from Wicklow to Sligo, from Limerick to Louth watching Tyrone play cannon fodder

So many dud games when one of the big guys go through the back door.  Bring on Mayo to fcuk next game I say.  Who cares about Wicklow, Longford, Limerick and nonsense teams like that.  No way I would be travelling to watch that.  Give me that game yesterday and a defeat over hammering Waterford by 30 points.

[southtyronegael]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?

only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked

yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.