Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[longballin]

This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make

mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.

and for that debacle against Dublin in August last year... all duck or no dinnner

So are you suggesting without an AI win everything else is meaningless? If you are then you're an idiot.    Thankfully most of us are old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles and an Ulster was fondly appreciated by every Tyrone fan.

Spare me the bullshit. I remember 2009 and 2010 when Tyrone won Ulster lifted the cup and went to the dressingroom without even a lap of honour when fans werent allowed on the field it meant so little. And it was all about winning Sam. Phillip Jordan said winning Ulster meant little then. Its good to win Ulster but dont pretend its like before the backdoor system when you were Ulsters representative in the All Ireland semi final.

[Therealdonald]

This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.

and for that debacle against Dublin in August last year... all duck or no dinnner

So are you suggesting without an AI win everything else is meaningless? If you are then you're an idiot.    Thankfully most of us are old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles and an Ulster was fondly appreciated by every Tyrone fan.

I think what he is suggesting has some merit, Monaghan have won Ulster twice in the last 5 years, yet ultimately their seasons have been regarded as a failure because they didn't make it past the AIQF. While you may be old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles, ultimately through the introduction of the backdoor (which we benefited from twice very generously) Ulster titles do not mean as much as they ought to.

[southtyronegael]

from this year onward the provincial win will merely be the quickest way into the super 8s. the trophy will mean very little unless its a county that hasnt won it in 20+ years. the super 8s will be the only show in town from now on.

[longballin]

Super 3 and middling 5 

[Dire Ear]

Super 3 and middling 5 

Super 1, middlin 2, crap 5 ??

[longballin]

Super 3 and middling 5 

Super 1, middlin 2, crap 5 ??

Mayo give Dublin a great game in the championship and Kerry up there too. Rest a bit behind though...

[BennyHarp]

from this year onward the provincial win will merely be the quickest way into the super 8s. the trophy will mean very little unless its a county that hasnt won it in 20+ years. the super 8s will be the only show in town from now on.

I think it was Jack o'connor in his autobiography that called Tyrone fans nouveau riche. Sadly, he was right.

[longballin]

from this year onward the provincial win will merely be the quickest way into the super 8s. the trophy will mean very little unless its a county that hasnt won it in 20+ years. the super 8s will be the only show in town from now on.

I think it was Jack o'connor in his autobiography that called Tyrone fans nouveau riche. Sadly, he was right.

Ulster came to be treated the same by Tyrone management and players last decade. We were all same

[southtyronegael]

i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

[chieftain]

i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??

[BennyHarp]

i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

How does our underage structure differ from the likes of Armagh, Derry, Down or Donegal? How successful are our senior clubs in the Ulster Championship? Easy lines to trot out STG.

[southtyronegael]

trust me club football is very strong. at least 8 teams would have a genuine chance of lifting the o neill cup each year. it means the talent pool is much bigger than counties that have only one or two really strong clubs. thats why our champions do poorly enough in ulster. was chattin to an ulster council official from armagh after the omagh v ardboe champ first round game and he said they hadnt seen a game as good in armagh for 20 yrs. it was a very good game but nothin out of the ordinary for the tyrone championship.

[southtyronegael]

i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??

impossible to compare 03/05 team with now. one team was allowed to play football and show how good they could be, the other isnt. we are still delivering all irelands at underage, 2015 u21s and 2017 under 17s so must be doing something right although im not sure if its the acadamies or the clubs delivering this. i suspect its the clubs.

[chieftain]

i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??

impossible to compare 03/05 team with now. one team was allowed to play football and show how good they could be, the other isnt. we are still delivering all irelands at underage, 2015 u21s and 2017 under 17s so must be doing something right although im not sure if its the acadamies or the clubs delivering this. i suspect its the clubs.

so your telling me its the same manager who in 2003 allowed players to play but in 2018 isnt allowing the players to play? Catch yourself on man and realise that its because of the class of footballers we have now on the county panel that we are currently 4th- 8th in Ireland on our day.

[driveherin]

All games off this weekend.
positive - given plenty of notice!!
negative - have to wait until next week before giving 'the beard' a bashing again!