Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Truthsayer]

Maybe we just ain't got the quality of players coming through...

[tyrone08]

Maybe we just ain't got the quality of players coming through...

Quality is there. What's lacking is a bit is a bit of grit and determination from the players and a game plan to suit their style.

[tyrone08]

Anyone at the game that can tell us what went wrong? Bad performances, playing style? What was it

All of the above. Orourke isn't working out for what ever reason however the players quit playing for dooher they got what they wanted and new management brought in. Somehow they have gotten worse. They need to take a fair share of the blame.

Another year wasted it looks like.

History will be kind to Logan and Dooher.

So it should be. Always heard that the players didn't  Dooher hard tough love approach. He was right look at donegal, kerry, armagh etc all have hard players with a do or die approach.

That's one of our biggest faults I'd say. Too many soft players in that team. That's not to say they aren't good footballers but when push comes to shove or they are up against players on the same level ability wise we don't show any fight

Spot on

[trileacman]

Predictable enough. Cavan very poor team. Should be another few handy wins in this division. The relegation cries here were such nonsense.
Trillickman be gutted...
In Malachy we trust...

Still trust him?

It was clear as day last year that our results were down to individual performances and that the management of this team is good for f**k all. A fluky win against Donegal (on an off week after pushing themselves to the limit to win an Ulster) was the only decent performance from last year). Me and a few others pointed this out after the shambles at home against Kildare and got shouted down for it by lads who wouldn't recognise a football if it hit them in the face.

There's no kick out strategy, no attacking plan, no emphasis on kick-passing or using speed in the attack. Half the team are being played out of position or in the team when they shouldn't be. Mc Kernan is clearly a wing-back, absolutely wasted as CHB. Cormac Quinn isn't a good enough man-marker to play corner-back, hes' much better as wing back. Cullen has no shooting feet, should be nowhere near a wing-back slot. Kennedy playing at FF in periods of games, Conn playing at wing forward, Matty at FF. McElholm light up the Tyrone champ from CHF but yet we never put him in that role for Tyrone, sticking him in at corner forward or out at wing forward. Brennan not getting in the team despite the fact you could drive a bus through the middle of our defence. Ronan Cassidy a forward playing as a wing back. The list goes on and on.

This is completely on the management. There'll be plenty of lads who say we haven't the players. That's a load of bullshit, we absolutely have the players to beat Louth, Kildare and Derry.

[tyroneman]

Promotion is gone. Not falling out of Championship is paramount

[Mario]

Predictable enough. Cavan very poor team. Should be another few handy wins in this division. The relegation cries here were such nonsense.
Trillickman be gutted...
In Malachy we trust...

Still trust him?

It was clear as day last year that our results were down to individual performances and that the management of this team is good for f**k all. A fluky win against Donegal (on an off week after pushing themselves to the limit to win an Ulster) was the only decent performance from last year). Me and a few others pointed this out after the shambles at home against Kildare and got shouted down for it by lads who wouldn't recognise a football if it hit them in the face.

There's no kick out strategy, no attacking plan, no emphasis on kick-passing or using speed in the attack. Half the team are being played out of position or in the team when they shouldn't be. Mc Kernan is clearly a wing-back, absolutely wasted as CHB. Cormac Quinn isn't a good enough man-marker to play corner-back, hes' much better as wing back. Cullen has no shooting feet, should be nowhere near a wing-back slot. Kennedy playing at FF in periods of games, Conn playing at wing forward, Matty at FF. McElholm light up the Tyrone champ from CHF but yet we never put him in that role for Tyrone, sticking him in at corner forward or out at wing forward. Brennan not getting in the team despite the fact you could drive a bus through the middle of our defence. Ronan Cassidy a forward playing as a wing back. The list goes on and on.

This is completely on the management. There'll be plenty of lads who say we haven't the players. That's a load of bullshit, we absolutely have the players to beat Louth, Kildare and Derry.

The only time you've managed to beat Derry in the past 5 years is when Paddy Tally was a week in the job.

[thebigfullforward]

Predictable enough. Cavan very poor team. Should be another few handy wins in this division. The relegation cries here were such nonsense.
Trillickman be gutted...
In Malachy we trust...

Still trust him?

It was clear as day last year that our results were down to individual performances and that the management of this team is good for f**k all. A fluky win against Donegal (on an off week after pushing themselves to the limit to win an Ulster) was the only decent performance from last year). Me and a few others pointed this out after the shambles at home against Kildare and got shouted down for it by lads who wouldn't recognise a football if it hit them in the face.

There's no kick out strategy, no attacking plan, no emphasis on kick-passing or using speed in the attack. Half the team are being played out of position or in the team when they shouldn't be. Mc Kernan is clearly a wing-back, absolutely wasted as CHB. Cormac Quinn isn't a good enough man-marker to play corner-back, hes' much better as wing back. Cullen has no shooting feet, should be nowhere near a wing-back slot. Kennedy playing at FF in periods of games, Conn playing at wing forward, Matty at FF. McElholm light up the Tyrone champ from CHF but yet we never put him in that role for Tyrone, sticking him in at corner forward or out at wing forward. Brennan not getting in the team despite the fact you could drive a bus through the middle of our defence. Ronan Cassidy a forward playing as a wing back. The list goes on and on.

This is completely on the management. There'll be plenty of lads who say we haven't the players. That's a load of bullshit, we absolutely have the players to beat Louth, Kildare and Derry.

The only time you've managed to beat Derry in the past 5 years is when Paddy Tally was a week in the job.

Yep. Derry have been too physical for us to beat them in recent years. They've just looked bigger, stronger, faster. Might not have the same footballing ability for the most part but that doesn't matter

[DaleCooper]

Offaly in Dungannon and Cork at Healy Park. Those should be two wins IF Cork take foot off accelerator.

Meath in Croker in between those two games will be tricky.

[tyroneStatto]

Cavan winning today is a bad result for us.

[NotedObserver]

The experience players have been v poor. Mckernan, conn, burns, Morgan have been very poor. Attacking plan is to pass into corner and somehow work a score.

Miles away. Play more young lads or call Peter Harte?

[thebigfullforward]

The experience players have been v poor. Mckernan, conn, burns, Morgan have been very poor. Attacking plan is to pass into corner and somehow work a score.

Miles away. Play more young lads or call Peter Harte?

I wouldn't say write the season off but would play more young lads or even just rotate the team so players know they aren't an automatic starter. I'd drop 3 or 4 of them that have been guaranteed starters and bring in new players to freshen things up

[DaleCooper]

Should have been more ruthless last year with old guard tbh. Tyrone people need to realise where they are at

[cjx]

Shambles

[qz]

The kick outs needs fixed,
Kennedy needs support in midfield. Man marked by 2 Louth midfielders today for the kick out & still won his share.
They did not have to mark Daly today as he does not want know about the ball in the thick of the action, no grit, too soft. doesn't chase back or win breaks.
After Kennedy, no plan B apart from  on occasion as in the Cavan game .. Kilpatrick on the touchline.
Kilpatrick did very well in patches against both Derry & Cavan but was 5 out of 10 today like many.
A 2nd midfielder, winning kick outs/ break ball is urgently needed. Do we have one?

The opposition kick out needs attention too. Not winning enough or making it difficult for the opposition often enough.

[NotedObserver]

The kick outs needs fixed,
Kennedy needs support in midfield. Man marked by 2 Louth midfielders today for the kick out & still won his share.
They did not have to mark Daly today as he does not want know about the ball in the thick of the action, no grit, too soft. doesn't chase back or win breaks.
After Kennedy, no plan B apart from  on occasion as in the Cavan game .. Kilpatrick on the touchline.
Kilpatrick did very well in patches against both Derry & Cavan but was 5 out of 10 today like many.
A 2nd midfielder, winning kick outs/ break ball is urgently needed. Do we have one?

The opposition kick out needs attention too. Not winning enough or making it difficult for the opposition often enough.

I thought Daly was good today and one of our better players. Won a few kick outs and scored a point. Tyrone do not have any other options at midfield at the moment and conn is way too inconsistent to be a guaranteed starter