Prisoner admits attempted murder of Ian Huntley

[screenmachine]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

[gallsman]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

[screenmachine]

I'll try and make this as simple as possible.

All murder is wrong.   However, in my own opinion, killing a child is pretty much the bottom of the barrel. 

My hypothetical murder has nothing to do with it, I was merely using this 'murder or serving any length of sentence' as a possible situation as to why I would be in prison in the first place to stage this attack on a child killer.  For argument's sake let's make this 'any length of a sentence' be down to a spate of violent bank robberies rather than murder.

To answer your other question, is killing a child more vile than killing an adult?

In my opinion, yes.

[Tony Baloney]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.

[gallsman]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.

See, to me that's the warped bit - drawing distinctions about how one should value human life.

[Tony Baloney]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.

See, to me that's the warped bit - drawing distinctions about how one should value human life.

I think it's warped that you can't see the difference between the murder of an innocent child and and the murder of a hardened criminal who may have murdered someone. As Tony Parsons regularly tweets "Armed robber stabbed to death by homeowner. His condition is described as "satisfactory"."

[gallsman]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.

See, to me that's the warped bit - drawing distinctions about how one should value human life.

I think it's warped that you can't see the difference between the murder of an innocent child and and the murder of a hardened criminal who may have murdered someone. As Tony Parsons regularly tweets "Armed robber stabbed to death by homeowner. His condition is described as "satisfactory"."

You're not reading my posts correctly and I'm very capable of see that difference thank you very much.

You have two murderers - one murders an innocent child, one murders an innocent adult. Is one of these acts any more or less reprehensible than the other?

[HiMucker]

[quote author=screenmachine link=topic=20393.msg1028174#msg1028174 date=131784349
I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  MApologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.o

See, to me that's the warped bit - drawing distinctions about how one should value human life.
[/quote]no harm lad you are talking nonsense.  You are trying to say that all murd er is the same is just bonkers.  And to be fair it does seem to look like your arguing for the sake of it, no matter how well constructed your sentences are

[Tony Baloney]

I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  Apologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.

See, to me that's the warped bit - drawing distinctions about how one should value human life.

I think it's warped that you can't see the difference between the murder of an innocent child and and the murder of a hardened criminal who may have murdered someone. As Tony Parsons regularly tweets "Armed robber stabbed to death by homeowner. His condition is described as "satisfactory"."

You're not reading my posts correctly and I'm very capable of see that difference thank you very much.

You have two murderers - one murders an innocent child, one murders an innocent adult. Is one of these acts any more or less reprehensible than the other?

Yes (again).

[gallsman]

no harm lad you are talking nonsense.  1) You are trying to say that all murd er is the same is just bonkers.  And to be fair it 2) does seem to look like your arguing for the sake of it, no matter how well constructed your sentences are

1) No I'm not - I'm questioning whether the age of a victim makes a murder (or any other violent crime) a "worse" or a more horrific crime. Screenmachine put forward the hypothetical scenario of him being in prison for a crime like murder. Now presumably this murder was that of an innocent person. However, based on what I consider to warped logic, he appears to feel that this would lead him to some twisted moral high ground where he would do in another murderer, one who had murdered an innocent child as he'd be serving a long sentence anyway. Why should someone not do him in for having committed murder simply because his victim was an adult?

2) You do understand the concept of how a discussion board works, yes? Perhaps my sentences are well constructed as I'm trying to articulate an opinion - you could maybe consider said opinion and come back to me on it, challenge it by all means, rather than putting words in my mouth and dismissing it offhand.

[Tony Baloney]

[quote author=screenmachine link=topic=20393.msg1028174#msg1028174 date=131784349
I thought it was pretty obvious but the fact I was concentrating on child rapists and killers was because this thread is about a child rapist/killer, i.e. Ian Huntley.  MApologies for not writing a thesis on criminal acts and suggested punishments handed out by Screenmachine. Sometimes I think people come on to threads to complain, to say black when someone else says white. This seems to be the case all to often. 

Maybe you should speak with little bit more clarity in the first place.

In case you've forgotten (or changed your minded, or were just posting shite), what you said was:

To be fair, if I was in prison for murder already or serving any length of a sentence...

I'm curious as to why you appear to see a difference in the murder you hypothetically committed and that of Ian Huntley - you appear to see some strange moral justification in the murder or a child killer whist ignoring the fact that you yourself would be a murderer. Is one less vile a crime than the other depending on the age of the victim?

Now, this is an anonymous discussion board, so of course you're not obliged to justify or explain anything you say. Conversely, precisely because it's a discussion board, some people who disagree with your views might question you in order to understand the rationale behind it. If you so wish, you could answer them.

Alternatively, you could again deflect and dismiss the issue altogether and make a petty (and largely unsuccessful) effort at trying to be funny.

Yes.o

See, to me that's the warped bit - drawing distinctions about how one should value human life.

no harm lad you are talking nonsense.  1) You are trying to say that all murd er is the same is just bonkers.  And to be fair it 2) does seem to look like your arguing for the sake of it, no matter how well constructed your sentences are

1) No I'm not - I'm questioning whether the age of a victim makes a murder (or any other violent crime) a "worse" or a more horrific crime. Screenmachine put forward the hypothetical scenario of him being in prison for a crime like murder. Now presumably this murder was that of an innocent person. However, based on what I consider to warped logic, he appears to feel that this would lead him to some twisted moral high ground where he would do in another murderer, one who had murdered an innocent child as he'd be serving a long sentence anyway. Why should someone not do him in for having committed murder simply because his victim was an adult?

2) You do understand the concept of how a discussion board works, yes? Perhaps my sentences are well constructed as I'm trying to articulate an opinion - you could maybe consider said opinion and come back to me on it, challenge it by all means, rather than putting words in my mouth and dismissing it offhand.
[/quote]You have stated your opinion and others have disagreed with it. Accept the fact that no matter how many times you re-package your argument it is still the same argument.

[gallsman]

Yes (again).

You must forgive me asking for clarification - the first time I put the question to you accused me of not being able to see the difference between the murder of an innocent child and the murder of a hardened criminal...

I've stated my point - I don't think age should be a determining factor in how one values human life. You disagree, fair enough.

[Tony Baloney]

Yes (again).

You must forgive me asking for clarification - the first time I put the question to you accused me of not being able to see the difference between the murder of an innocent child and the murder of a hardened criminal...

I've stated my point - I don't think age should be a determining factor in how one values human life. You disagree, fair enough.

Good man. I'm not one for circuitous arguments like some of these other clowns. Different strokes for different folks.

[screenmachine]

In my opinion the child murder is still worse, maybe I'm wrong for looking at it like that but it is just my opinion.  In my earlier posts I was generally referring to comparisons between a child killer and a person who killed someone in an act of revenge. Fair enough there's not massive difference in the murder of an innocent child or an adult but I still believe the child murder is worse. The extra press coverage that a child murder would receive would lead me to believe that this would generally be the status quo. If you see things differently, then that's your opinion and fair enough. By the way, if I end up getting done in for a hypothetical murder someone on here is going to pay...Hypothetically speaking of course.

[muppet]

In my opinion the child murder is still worse, maybe I'm wrong for looking at it like that but it is just my opinion.  In my earlier posts I was generally referring to comparisons between a child killer and a person who killed someone in an act of revenge. Fair enough there's not massive difference in the murder of an innocent child or an adult but I still believe the child murder is worse. The extra press coverage that a child murder would receive would lead me to believe that this would generally be the status quo. If you see things differently, then that's your opinion and fair enough. By the way, if I end up getting done in for a hypothetical murder someone on here is going to pay...Hypothetically speaking of course.

Um........you teach children Karate.

Children get hurt because of that.