USFC Final 2010, Clones, Sunday 18th July: Tír Eoghain vs Muineachán

[nrico2006]

A handy game for Enda to break himself back in again

Agreed EC, he shouldn't have to put too much strain on his hamstrings against the like of Dick Clerkin, it will be a good wee warm up for him and get him ready for the big games that will be coming up.

[Main Street]

Must have been some close scrape down in Carlow, Lynchbhoy is cracking up, right in front of our eyes.

[lynchbhoy]

Must have been some close scrape down in Carlow, Lynchbhoy is cracking up, right in front of our eyes.

that happened a long time ago MS !!

[Maguire01]

Monaghan could be over confident going into this game. There is a danger Monaghan could find cause not to show Tyrone the proper respect and this could cost them dearly.

Now you mention respect
What do you want, a guard of honour for the Tyrone players before and after the game?

It is taken for granted that Monaghan have respect for this opponent and respect for Mickey Harte and Tyrone GAA is beyond doubt. Respect for the opponent is something you could certainly brush up on.  What on earth gives you the idea that Monaghan might not respect Tyrone?

I didn't bring it up. I took it from here.

There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game due to having too much respect for Tyrone. There will be no fear.

There's the subtle difference between having respect for a team and having too much respect (or indeed too little), to the extent that it impairs a team's performance.

[Maguire01]

McManus hasn't exactly been scoring for fun, I think he has something like two points from play in the two games so far, hardly impressive considering the total posted by Monaghan. 

It might be worth looking at the number of frees he won and the fact that Fermanagh had 4 different defenders on him during the game. One statistic in isolation tells half a story. He was also MOTM for both BBC and Irish News. But by all means, underestimate him.

[Maguire01]

Again, a bit surprised by the way many Tyrone posters are disregarding Monaghan. In 2007, Tyrone won by 2 points. That was Monaghan's first Ulster Final in 20 odd years and they were clearly like a rabbit in the headlights for the first 10-15 minutes, letting Tyrone build up a very healthy lead.

This is 2010, Monaghan have 2007 under their belts, so the nerves shouldn't be a significant factor. Monaghan are definitely a better team than they were in 2007; are Tyrone better, the same, or worse? Again, remembering that Tyrone only won by 2 points in 2007.

I'm not sure where these wild winning margins are coming from.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

As a Tyrone man, I must say I'm somewhat bemused and embarrassed by the arrogance and overconfidence of some on this thread.

It's not like the lads have really done anything of particular note in the two Championship games thus far, neither of the vanquished teams was anything special, in fact some might say I'm being kind there.

And whilst this year, so far, might appear to be more promising than last it cannot be denied that there are a lot of miles on the legs of some of the more established players, players who have been the bedrock of whatever success has flowed these last few years.

After a decidedly indifferent League campaign (I know, of little relevance, but still) a swallow (or two) does not the summer make; therefore a little more circumspection and a little less hot-air convection, a little more humility and a little less hubris, would not go amiss;

A few examples:

Personally I am not at all worried going into this final...

Monaghan are not going into this game like kids visiting a candy store for the first time, like they did in 2007. This is a much better team than that day. They are not going in afraid of Tyrone or afraid of getting beat, they are going in to win the Ulster Final.

There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game... There will be no fear. Monaghan will be up for this...

Yep, as a Tyrone man and fellow Ulsterman of the Monaghan contributors I really am somewhat bemused and embarrassed, for (some of) them! 

[longrunsthefox]

Oh ye of little faith...

[Redhand Santa]

Personally I think we'd be safer setting up a quarter final thread and leaving the Monaghan lads to it here. Not much point in discussing a game we're unlikely to lose. I know it's early but has anyone any preferences for who'd they'd like in the quarters? The Dubs? Armagh? Cork?

[Main Street]

As a Tyrone man, I must say I'm somewhat bemused and embarrassed by the arrogance and overconfidence of some on this thread.

It's not like the lads have really done anything of particular note in the two Championship games thus far, neither of the vanquished teams was anything special, in fact some might say I'm being kind there.

And whilst this year, so far, might appear to be more promising than last it cannot be denied that there are a lot of miles on the legs of some of the more established players, players who have been the bedrock of whatever success has flowed these last few years.

After a decidedly indifferent League campaign (I know, of little relevance, but still) a swallow (or two) does not the summer make; therefore a little more circumspection and a little less hot-air convection, a little more humility and a little less hubris, would not go amiss;

A few examples:

Personally I am not at all worried going into this final...

Monaghan are not going into this game like kids visiting a candy store for the first time, like they did in 2007. This is a much better team than that day. They are not going in afraid of Tyrone or afraid of getting beat, they are going in to win the Ulster Final.

There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game... There will be no fear. Monaghan will be up for this...

Yep, as a Tyrone man and fellow Ulsterman of the Monaghan contributors I really am somewhat bemused and embarrassed, for (some of) them! 

You make Benny Hill appear highbrow.

Maybe this smartass editing of quotes is regarded as great craic in Tyrone.   
And no doubt the other Tyronies who have been struggling with basic comprehension would find it all a hoot.

Does this moronic schoolyard stuff happen in all the Tyrone threads?

[longrunsthefox]

Personally I think we'd be safer setting up a quarter final thread and leaving the Monaghan lads to it here. Not much point in discussing a game we're unlikely to lose. I know it's early but has anyone any preferences for who'd they'd like in the quarters? The Dubs? Armagh? Cork?

I wouldn't really fancy running into Cork in the quarters. I think we'd handle the rest ok.

[Fuzzman]

Ahhhh lads & lassies ye've all lost the run of yerselves

I know we've got bigger fish to fry should we get that far but I am not in the camp that we'll hammer Monaghan
I'm even worried that we might struggle against them should they get off to a good start
Remember the start they got in 2005 was it in Croker with us needing great goals from M&C to take control in the second half

I must say I didn't enjoy the Ulster final in 2007 and thought Monaghan were very dirty and had it not been for some skillful diving on Tyrone's behalf I'm not sure how we'd have faired

Anyways I think Monaghan will give us a hell of a game and depending on how we take our scores and stop them from scoring too much will determine the outcome of this fascinating encounter.

I hope its a nice sunny day in Clones and that football is the winner at the end of the day and Spillane wont me moaning too much

[ardchieftain]

Monaghan will never get a better chance to win Ulster and i expect them to fight tooth and nail for every ball and in the end prevail.The Grimley factor can not be underestimated either.

[longrunsthefox]

Monaghan will never get a better chance to win Ulster and i expect them to fight tooth and nail for every ball and in the end prevail.The Grimley factor can not be underestimated either.

Aye-that's really worried Tyrone in the past 

[armaghniac]

What is 'The Grimley Factor'?

It works the same as Sun Protection Factor, it doesn't stop Tyrone burning you but it makes it a lot less likely.