Israel Attack Humanitarian Ship, 10 men killed

[under the bar]

Aye, the Irish Troubles.  Why don't we take the onus off the chief protagonist again!  And when we're at it let's confirm that it was an Irish Potato Famine, and not the British Government-sponsored genocide that it actually was.

Well pointed out.  To simply say there was a Famine in Ireland is rubbish.  There was mountains of food exported from every county to the UK by the landlords.

[Zapatista]

Aye, the Irish Troubles.  Why don't we take the onus off the chief protagonist again!  And when we're at it let's confirm that it was an Irish Potato Famine, and not the British Government-sponsored genocide that it actually was.

Well pointed out.  To simply say there was a Famine in Ireland is rubbish.  There was mountains of food exported from every county to the UK by the landlords.

Not them again?

[delboy]

Aye, the Irish Troubles.  Why don't we take the onus off the chief protagonist again!  And when we're at it let's confirm that it was an Irish Potato Famine, and not the British Government-sponsored genocide that it actually was.

Well pointed out.  To simply say there was a Famine in Ireland is rubbish.  There was mountains of food exported from every county to the UK by the landlords.

   Grain exports and imports 1844-48 (in thousands of tons)

         Exports   Imports   Net Export
         ------- ------- ----------
      1844   424   30   +394
      1845   513   28   +485
      1846   284   197   +87
      1847   146   889   -743
      1848   314   439   -125

It wasn't all one way traffic.

On a side note, the famine didn't stop guiness exporting over a quarter of a million gallons and this was back in the day when beer was viewed as liquid bread, i find it strange that this didn't seem to damage the image of guiness as irelands national drink, just imagine how many people could have been fed on the barley it took to make it. Also the family were part of the ruling protestant elite and pro-union, irish people are famously good at holding a grudge its amazing they didn't seem to hold it against guinness.

[Alco Pup]

                         

                                             The Right Honourable Jeffrey Donaldson MP MLA

                                             invites you to a celebration of Israel's 62nd Anniversary

                                                    The GREAT  HALL, PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS,

                                                          THURSDAY 10 JUNE 2010    8.00PM

                                                               SPECIAL  GUESTS  INCLUDE: -

His Excellency Mr Zion Evrony:        Israel Ambassador to Ireland

Michael Utterback:    Spokesperson for the International Christian Embassy

Sergui Pop0v :          ICEJ Representative and Professional Violinist  – Finland

MARIE GOUGH (guitar) and SORCHA ROSSITER (Keyboard)

SHALOM   DANCE   TEAM

Am absolutely appalled, disgusted and quite frankly embarassed about this.  A party thrown in their honor?

They kill ten people, and while the majority of the western world condems the act, a NI MLA throws them a party.

Oh wait hang on, because I am not "understanding" why they committed this act, does that mean that I am anti-semitic too?

[muppet]

Aye, the Irish Troubles.  Why don't we take the onus off the chief protagonist again!  And when we're at it let's confirm that it was an Irish Potato Famine, and not the British Government-sponsored genocide that it actually was.

Well pointed out.  To simply say there was a Famine in Ireland is rubbish.  There was mountains of food exported from every county to the UK by the landlords.

"They are going. They are going with a vengeance. Soon a Celt will be as rare in Ireland as a Red Indian on the streets of Manhattan. Law has ridden through, it has been taught with bayonets, and interpreted with ruin. Townships levelled to the ground, straggling columns of exiles, workhouses multiplied, and still crowded, express the determination of the Legislature to rescue Ireland from its slovenly old barbarism, and to plant there the institutions of this more civilised land."

Extract from the London Times 1847

[Tyrones own]

ok
There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Samson didn't have nukes or F16s.

Yes and that was the exact point he was making,
They were still at it, right?
Thanks for unintentionally clearing that up

[muppet]

ok
There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Samson didn't have nukes or F16s.

Yes and that was the exact point he was making,
They were still at it, right?
Thanks for unintentionally clearing that up

Wrong.
Wrong.
And...wait for it....wrong.

As usual.

[Arthur_Friend]

ok
There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Samson didn't have nukes or F16s.

Yes and that was the exact point he was making,
They were still at it, right?
Thanks for unintentionally clearing that up

29 pages and still nothing to say...

[Tyrones own]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT5823U5YLc

Footage of the 19 year old US citizen getting kicked , and then executed.

Trying to remember here if you were as quick to post
the You Tube link to the 17 Yr old student shot dead
during the elections in Iran by Amidinejad's Hench men.

No you see Your humanitarian  efforts only seem to come
in to play when it complies with the agenda of putting the boot
in to the US at every opportunity!

Myles hit the Nail on the head with the fact that the middle East
Has been a    hotbed of hatred long long before the US even existed
but true to form, drag his point all over the place rather than confront it 

[Tyrones own]

ok
There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Samson didn't have nukes or F16s.

Yes and that was the exact point he was making,
They were still at it, right?
Thanks for unintentionally clearing that up

Wrong.
Wrong.
And...wait for it....wrong.

As usual.

Not much more than I expected out of you but how exactly
is it wrong?

[muppet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT5823U5YLc

Footage of the 19 year old US citizen getting kicked , and then executed.

Trying to remember here if you were as quick to post
the You Tube link to the 17 Yr old student shot dead
during the elections in Iran by Amidinejad's Hench men.

No you see Your humanitarian  efforts only seem to come
in to play when it complies with the agenda of putting the boot
in to the US at every opportunity!

Myles hit the Nail on the head with the fact that the middle East
Has been a    hotbed of hatred long long before the US even existed
but true to form, drag his point all over the place rather than confront it 

If it has been a hotbed of conflict, why the need for the US to arm one side to a level centuries ahead of the other? Why didn't they simply leave it as it was? I have little doubt that if Israel was the abused underdog most of the posters here, including me, would be rooting for them.

As for humanitarian agendas, is it not better to feed those suffering in poverty and deprivation who have no one to stand up for them, rather than the rich who are well able to look after themselves?

[Arthur_Friend]

ok
There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Samson didn't have nukes or F16s.

Yes and that was the exact point he was making,
They were still at it, right?
Thanks for unintentionally clearing that up

Wrong.
Wrong.
And...wait for it....wrong.

As usual.

Not much more than I expected out of you but how exactly
is it wrong?

30 pages and still nothing to say....

[Tyrones own]

Very simple realy, they needed an ally in the region and found it in Israel and needless to say they'll do what they can to keep them from being wiped off
the face of the earth.

As for humanitarian efforts....there's strife and oppression the world over but most
gets little airtime on here because it doesn't fit the agenda of blaming
the US for all the world's woes.

[muppet]

Very simple realy, they needed an ally in the region and found it in Israel and needless to say they'll do what they can to keep them from being wiped off
the face of the earth.

As for humanitarian efforts....there's strife and oppression the world over but most
gets little airtime on here because it doesn't fit the agenda of blaming
the US for all the world's woes.

Ireland doesn't have an 'ally in the region' but then we don't get 'blamed for all of the world's woes'. That could only happen if we stuck our noses and our nukes into 'all of world'. Goes with the territory.

[Myles Na G.]

Go read your history books, lads. There has never been peace in that region. It has been fought over and ruled and fought over again by the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Roman and Byzantine Empires, the Islamic and Christian crusaders, the Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire. Can't blame it all on the big bad Yanks. And do you really think Ireland was a land of peace and harmony before the arrival of the big bad Brits?

It's like history through the eyes of 4 year old on here sometimes.

That's a few times now I've been asked to read some books. There's no request as rediculous when it comes to isues like this. Perhaps we read different books

There is nothing unique about historical conflict in the region that lends wieght to todays conflict. You can't ignore the international aspect to to todays conflict and blame it on the water in Palestine.

Neither can you blame today's conflict on the Americans and British, while ignoring the fact that the same issues were being fought over thousands of years ago. I'm not saying that today's superpowers haven't exacerbated the problems, but it's simplistic to think that if the Americans would only back off, the people of the area would settle down and live as good neighbours. The same reasoning holds that if the British govt would just announce its intention to quit the north, there'd be a huge party and we'd have a 32 county state in the morning.