Israel Attack Humanitarian Ship, 10 men killed

[seafoid]

Israel is pretty desperate if it relies on the ICEJ. Far right christian fundis with very little christianity. 

[Zapatista]

Israel is pretty desperate if it relies on the ICEJ. Far right christian fundis with very little christianity.

This is exactly what I meant earlierin the thread were it was claimed that the huge Jewish Lobby in America dictates their policy towards Israel. The huge Christian Majority in America support Israel too. This makes it a broad American support and placing the blame at the feet of the Jewish lobby is spin to guilt the world into supporting them too.

[Ludraman]

Isiaih 40

1 Comfort, comfort my people,
       says your God

Dat is a funny looking mandate for anything although I hear Jeffrey likes his mandates.

Isiaih also said:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Christains believe this prophesised the arrivall of the Messiah but it cudn't have becuase his name woz Jesus not Immanuel.

[Aerlik]

Funny how the Zionists shelter under the convenient umbrella of Judaism when seeking help and succour from Christians.  At school our religious class was told that the Christian, Jewish and Muslim God was one and the same, united through Abraham.  When I asked a Jew this I was told it was shite and that Christianity was gravely looked down upon by Judaism, and nothing to do with the treatment of Jews by Christians down the centuries but that it is written in the Talmud. 

Anyone here remember Paisley in the late 70s and early 80s ranting and raving about the "Ulster Protestants" being one of the lost tribes of Israel?

Methinks the cornered rat analogy is not far off the mark, and that is not an inference to Goebbels, in case anyone chooses to think otherwise.  I never have nor ever will deny the Holocaust.

John, if you haven't already done so, could you please post the link of the rabbi condemning the Zionists which appears on Facebook?  It makes interesting viewing, and might cause one or two of the pro-Zionist/USA intelligentsia (tongue firmely in cheek, I might add) to reconsider.

[give her dixie]

There are loads of links to Rabbi's condemning Zionism.

On the previous 2 convoys, a couple of Rabbi's took part, and were warmly welcomed
by not only those on the convoy, but in Gaza itself.

Here are a few links for Rabbi's against Zionism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBoTJZFraM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82g8BsxgeD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWRX_OFOV08

[Myles Na G.]

There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

[muppet]

There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Samson didn't have nukes or F16s.

[Rav67]

There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Yeah that is strange alright, people commenting on what is actually happening now as opposed to 3,000 years ago. 

[Zapatista]

There has been unrest in this region for thousands of years. Samson pulled the pillars down (allegedly)around the Philistines in Gaza. Jews and Arabs have been disputing territory and killing each other from long before the Americans or British got involved. Yet read this thread and you'd think the trouble all started with a flotilla of boats or with the blockade of the Gaza strip. It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

The Arabs and the few Jews that lived there lived in relative peace with the Brits as their common enemy. It wasn't untill Zionism got popular (within Judaism and elsewhere) after WWII that the trouble started.

[Aerlik]

It's like someone deciding that the Irish troubles started in 1969.

Aye, the Irish Troubles.  Why don't we take the onus off the chief protagonist again!  And when we're at it let's confirm that it was an Irish Potato Famine, and not the British Government-sponsored genocide that it actually was.

Muslims, Jews and Christians have lived in relative peace in the region for many centuries.  My mate's mother was babysat by her Jewish neighbours when she was a wane; Muslims, Jews and Christians even intermarried in the region too.    As muppet quite rightly said, there's a helluva difference between a bow and arrow and a nuke.

[Myles Na G.]

Go read your history books, lads. There has never been peace in that region. It has been fought over and ruled and fought over again by the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Roman and Byzantine Empires, the Islamic and Christian crusaders, the Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire. Can't blame it all on the big bad Yanks. And do you really think Ireland was a land of peace and harmony before the arrival of the big bad Brits?

It's like history through the eyes of 4 year old on here sometimes.

[Zapatista]

Go read your history books, lads. There has never been peace in that region. It has been fought over and ruled and fought over again by the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Roman and Byzantine Empires, the Islamic and Christian crusaders, the Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire. Can't blame it all on the big bad Yanks. And do you really think Ireland was a land of peace and harmony before the arrival of the big bad Brits?

It's like history through the eyes of 4 year old on here sometimes.

That's a few times now I've been asked to read some books. There's no request as rediculous when it comes to isues like this. Perhaps we read different books

There is nothing unique about historical conflict in the region that lends wieght to todays conflict. You can't ignore the international aspect to to todays conflict and blame it on the water in Palestine.

[aontroim]

EXCLUSIVE: New Video Smuggled Out from Mavi Marmara of Israel's Deadly Assault on Gaza Aid Flotilla

In a Democracy Now! exclusive, we bring you a sneak preview of previously unseen raw footage from the Mavi Marmara that will be formally released at a press conference at the United Nations later in the day. The footage shows the mood and the activities onboard the Mavi Marmara in the time leading up to the attack, and the immediate reaction of the passengers during the attack. We are joined by filmmaker and activist Iara Lee, one of the few Americans on the Mavi Marmara ship. Her equipment was confiscated, but she managed to smuggle out an hour's worth of footage. [includes rush transcript]

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/10/exclusive_journalist_smuggles_out_video_of

[give her dixie]

Click on the following link to watch 15 minutes of footage that had been filmed onboard the Mavi Mamara,
and then smuggled out.

http://vimeo.com/12429821

[give her dixie]

Well, it seems we posted at the same time......................

The 1st link is the interview, and some footage, and the 2nd link is 15 minutes of raw footage.

Both good links to watch in order to get a sense of what really happened.