FAI...New Manager is Heimir Hallgrimsson

[Armagh18]

It's a ridiculous pie in the sky notion to expect other teams to follow Ireland's example should the FAI refuse to play Israel.Either the FAI get commitment first from other nations or hump Israel on the playing pitch. In any event the FAI refusing to play is not an option, that horse has bolted. Israel wont have more than 200 supporters at the games, there will be plenty of opportunity for the motivated football supporters to formulate a protest and garner publicity. Then we know it's coming from real fans and not just activist denizens jumping on a political opportunity bandwagan.

But this is a stand. Not the best one, but realistically the strongest they can make without getting absolutely pulvarised by UEFA.

The football team representing Israel, it's officials and fans are not welcome in Dublin. Business as usual cannot happen.

It's not a stand. It's giving Israel exactly what they would want. Ireland lose home advantage and there will be f**k all protests at it. It's the opposite of a stand.
A stand is taken when you're prepared to take the consequences regardless. This is not a stand. The FAI are agreeing to whatever and trying to make it look like a stand, when in fact, Israel are actually benefiting.

As I said, not the best one, but the strongest protest they can realistically make.

You do know they would have to give minimum 2,500 tickets to the Israelis. So 2,000 Maccabi hoolies in Dublin and a major pro Palestinian protest going on? It's Amsterdam again.

f**k that, you aren't welcome in Ireland, see you in some Hungarian backwater behind closed doors.

It's not. They could have made a proper stand and taken whatever consequences comes from it. They have just given Israel what they want, given up home advantage. Let's not pretend they made a stand. They did nothing as they weren't prepared to take the implications of making a stand. Which is fine, but don't try and dress up a turd and tell me that it's a rose.

The consequences being up to a 4 year ban for all national and club teams from international competition.

UEFA are all lined up on this.

The GAA refused to allow a vote on Allianz, yet soccer is supposed to potentially get itself banned?

Let's keep it real world. They made a stand that no other country has done, and that is on top of being the only association that formally complained about Israel last year.

The GAA's response has been pathetic. Soccer's response has been pathetic. One has nothing to do with the other. 

[Baile Brigín 2]

I made the point re the Maccabi hooligans. They would riot, run and international headlines would blacken our name.

Also the FAI are skint and it's not just the Men's National Team they need to worry about.

UEFA would f**k them over and it'd cause massive issues for the entire set up. More job losses!

It's grand talk but there's a reality to it.

UEFA won't do anything and neither will the Govt.

That's fine, but let's not try and dress it up as "taking a stand". There was no stand taken.

But there was. The game is in Hungary. No anthems or officials. The FAI are the only association in the world who formally complained about Israel.

It's far from what any of us wanted, but not taking a stand is playing the game in Dublin with normal diplomatic protocols.

The FAI are out to dry here. UEFA won't back them. The government won't back them. The Gardai won't even declare this a high risk game.

[Baile Brigín 2]

It's a ridiculous pie in the sky notion to expect other teams to follow Ireland's example should the FAI refuse to play Israel.Either the FAI get commitment first from other nations or hump Israel on the playing pitch. In any event the FAI refusing to play is not an option, that horse has bolted. Israel wont have more than 200 supporters at the games, there will be plenty of opportunity for the motivated football supporters to formulate a protest and garner publicity. Then we know it's coming from real fans and not just activist denizens jumping on a political opportunity bandwagan.

But this is a stand. Not the best one, but realistically the strongest they can make without getting absolutely pulvarised by UEFA.

The football team representing Israel, it's officials and fans are not welcome in Dublin. Business as usual cannot happen.

It's not a stand. It's giving Israel exactly what they would want. Ireland lose home advantage and there will be f**k all protests at it. It's the opposite of a stand.
A stand is taken when you're prepared to take the consequences regardless. This is not a stand. The FAI are agreeing to whatever and trying to make it look like a stand, when in fact, Israel are actually benefiting.

As I said, not the best one, but the strongest protest they can realistically make.

You do know they would have to give minimum 2,500 tickets to the Israelis. So 2,000 Maccabi hoolies in Dublin and a major pro Palestinian protest going on? It's Amsterdam again.

f**k that, you aren't welcome in Ireland, see you in some Hungarian backwater behind closed doors.

It's not. They could have made a proper stand and taken whatever consequences comes from it. They have just given Israel what they want, given up home advantage. Let's not pretend they made a stand. They did nothing as they weren't prepared to take the implications of making a stand. Which is fine, but don't try and dress up a turd and tell me that it's a rose.

The consequences being up to a 4 year ban for all national and club teams from international competition.

UEFA are all lined up on this.

The GAA refused to allow a vote on Allianz, yet soccer is supposed to potentially get itself banned?

Let's keep it real world. They made a stand that no other country has done, and that is on top of being the only association that formally complained about Israel last year.

Neither the FAI nor the GAA have imo done the right thing. The GAA should have cut ties with Allianz and the FAI should have refused to play them citing the cases of genocide against the country as the reasons. The GAA were (wrongly)dealing with a commercial business. Agreeing to play the country that is committing that genocide is on a totally different level. The FAI had the opportunity to make a much greater stand than the GAA ever had the opportunity to. Both failed imo and your attempts at point scoring between the GAA and the FAI is well noted.

It's not point scoring. It's stating reality. When the rubber hits the road it's not as simple as some make it out to be.

But unlike the GAA, the FAI did something. Not much, but something.

[trueblue1234]

It's a ridiculous pie in the sky notion to expect other teams to follow Ireland's example should the FAI refuse to play Israel.Either the FAI get commitment first from other nations or hump Israel on the playing pitch. In any event the FAI refusing to play is not an option, that horse has bolted. Israel wont have more than 200 supporters at the games, there will be plenty of opportunity for the motivated football supporters to formulate a protest and garner publicity. Then we know it's coming from real fans and not just activist denizens jumping on a political opportunity bandwagan.

But this is a stand. Not the best one, but realistically the strongest they can make without getting absolutely pulvarised by UEFA.

The football team representing Israel, it's officials and fans are not welcome in Dublin. Business as usual cannot happen.

It's not a stand. It's giving Israel exactly what they would want. Ireland lose home advantage and there will be f**k all protests at it. It's the opposite of a stand.
A stand is taken when you're prepared to take the consequences regardless. This is not a stand. The FAI are agreeing to whatever and trying to make it look like a stand, when in fact, Israel are actually benefiting.

As I said, not the best one, but the strongest protest they can realistically make.

You do know they would have to give minimum 2,500 tickets to the Israelis. So 2,000 Maccabi hoolies in Dublin and a major pro Palestinian protest going on? It's Amsterdam again.

f**k that, you aren't welcome in Ireland, see you in some Hungarian backwater behind closed doors.

It's not. They could have made a proper stand and taken whatever consequences comes from it. They have just given Israel what they want, given up home advantage. Let's not pretend they made a stand. They did nothing as they weren't prepared to take the implications of making a stand. Which is fine, but don't try and dress up a turd and tell me that it's a rose.

The consequences being up to a 4 year ban for all national and club teams from international competition.

UEFA are all lined up on this.

The GAA refused to allow a vote on Allianz, yet soccer is supposed to potentially get itself banned?

Let's keep it real world. They made a stand that no other country has done, and that is on top of being the only association that formally complained about Israel last year.

Neither the FAI nor the GAA have imo done the right thing. The GAA should have cut ties with Allianz and the FAI should have refused to play them citing the cases of genocide against the country as the reasons. The GAA were (wrongly)dealing with a commercial business. Agreeing to play the country that is committing that genocide is on a totally different level. The FAI had the opportunity to make a much greater stand than the GAA ever had the opportunity to. Both failed imo and your attempts at point scoring between the GAA and the FAI is well noted.

It's not point scoring. It's stating reality. When the rubber hits the road it's not as simple as some make it out to be.

But unlike the GAA, the FAI did something. Not much, but something.

No they didn't. You keep saying that. They've agreed to something that actually benefits Israel. And yes you have been point scoring about both. The GAA could argue that it's not simple for them. We've seen the thread on here where people have tried to condone the GAA's stance. And they have some points. You are doing the same with the FAI. Where as I don't accept that either has made a stand or done the right thing. as I said earlier the GAA could argue that there is a difference between taking money from a dirty sponsor and actually engaging and playing the country that is committing the genocide. But that would be spin by the GAA. Claiming that the game is going ahead, but we're going to give up home advantage is a stand, is also spin.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The FAI are refusing to host Israel, it's team, officials and fans. They are not welcome in Dublin. No Israeli flag or anthem in Ireland. We will not let you carry on as normal.

I agree it's not much, but to say that is nothing is disingenuous.

[Armagh18]

The FAI are refusing to host Israel, it's team, officials and fans. They are not welcome in Dublin. No Israeli flag or anthem in Ireland. We will not let you carry on as normal.

I agree it's not much, but to say that is nothing is disingenuous.

Still playing the c***ts though!

[Baile Brigín 2]

The FAI are refusing to host Israel, it's team, officials and fans. They are not welcome in Dublin. No Israeli flag or anthem in Ireland. We will not let you carry on as normal.

I agree it's not much, but to say that is nothing is disingenuous.

Still playing the c***ts though!

Yes they are. Because a 2/4 year ban on Irish teams, club and country, is a draconian sanction. See also basketball.

This is the best they can do.

[trueblue1234]

Best they could do, or least they could get away with doing? The FAI know there would be riots if the Israel team came to Dublin. Which would prob result in some serious sanctions of its own. So playing away takes that risk away and removes the opportunity for protests against the Israelis team. Bit of a sweep it under the carpet moment.
And I agree it is difficult for the FAI. But I could guarantee that they would have had the support of the majority of the country if they had declared they weren't playing the game regardless of the consequences.

[imtommygunn]

the consequences would probably be to be booted out of international competition for quite a few years.

[trueblue1234]

That's possible. But would be supported by the majority of the country I would think.

[imtommygunn]

It's a difficult one. It could finish a number of players international careers and it could set back soccer in the country by a long number of years.

[Baile Brigín 2]

That's possible. But would be supported by the majority of the country I would think.

How mamy jobs get lost if the national team can't play or not LoI clubs in Europe for even 2 years?

[Crete Boom]

Is there any hard evidence we would have any heavier sanction than losing 6 points and losing the share of Nations league TV money from the games? (I can't find any)
Uefa haven't even officially rebuffed the Bohemians submission by the FAI to Uefa calling for Isreal to be banned under Uefa's own rules?

[trueblue1234]

That's possible. But would be supported by the majority of the country I would think.

How mamy jobs get lost if the national team can't play or not LoI clubs in Europe for even 2 years?

No idea, nor do you. Nor do you know what sanctions would be imposed.
You weren't happy to accept that there would be a significant impact to the GAA if they lost their insurer for games. Yet the GAA were quite clear it would it would. But you want us to all accept the FAI would be impacted and that it would be the most severe of punishments but choose not to accept the impact on the GAA. Thats the point scoring I was on about earlier.
The reality is neither organisation did what was required.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Is there any hard evidence we would have any heavier sanction than losing 6 points and losing the share of Nations league TV money from the games? (I can't find any)
Uefa haven't even officially rebuffed the Bohemians submission by the FAI to Uefa calling for Isreal to be banned under Uefa's own rules?

We were threatened with that in 1999 when Yugoslavia were in town and a few precedent out there.

They didn't rebuff it. They investigated fined Israel and made them hold up a banner.