Limerick hurlers

[DuffleKing]

you're making a spectacle of yourself with this.

The players removed McCarthy. You really don't know that?

If you want to try and pick an argument you can win with me, this is not it.

[dowling]

you're making a spectacle of yourself with this.

Don't you worry yourself about that?

The players removed McCarthy. You really don't know that?

So what's the background, who and why?

If you want to try and pick an argument you can win with me, this is not it.

I can't even get an argument with you because you don't seem to know a lot other than "the players removed McCarthy".

[DuffleKing]

Of course i do. everyone does.

This like saying "how do you know Mick McCarhty and Roy Keane didn't get on?"

Totalyl brain dead.

[DuffleKing]

Is there a particular number of references you want?

Last night in Waterford Justin McCarthy resigned from his post as the county team's hurling manager. In a statement he said

    "Today I informed the chairman of Waterford County Board that I intend to step down as manager of the Waterford Senior hurling team.
    I made the decision as I feel I no longer have the full support of all the players on the team.
    I regret that my decision to step down has come in the middle of the championship season, however I feel it is the best course of action for everybody involved"

It had become apparent in the wake of the defeat to Clare that some of the players were unhappy with McCarthy. There were rumours that Eoin Kelly was dropped off the panel for disciplinary reasons and much was made of Dan Shanahan storming off the field and refusing to shake Justin's hand when substituted. Apparently the players held a private meeting among themselves earlier in the week and so Justin resigned when he realised the game was up.

It's tough on McCarthy given how much he's done for Waterford, he took them to Munster titles and to the brink of All-Ireland glory. It wasn't his fault the schedule conspired against them last year or the players choked when so near the finishing line or there's not a decent goalkeeper to be found in the county. You could say that McCarthy has been there so long that his message and methods aren't working anymore but the manager is always the easy scapegoat after failures and in this case it looks more like players getting too big for their boots.

The effort (or lack of it) from some of them in the game against Clare was a disgrace, Shanahan was so anonymous during the game he could have been taken off long before half time. Conceding 2-26 was pretty shocking for the backs too even without Ken McGrath and Eoin Murphy.

Anyway now they have to find a new man to lead them through the qualifiers. They have an easy start to those with a likely game against Antrim and with the usual initial surge from having a new man in charge they might fly on a bit further but it's very hard to see them making the all ireland breakthrough this year now. Haven't heard any rumours yet as to who might take over, realistically they need a big name and a strong character although they'll probably settle on some easy choice guy from within the county.

[dowling]

Is there a particular number of references you want?

Last night in Waterford Justin McCarthy resigned from his post as the county team's hurling manager. In a statement he said

    "Today I informed the chairman of Waterford County Board that I intend to step down as manager of the Waterford Senior hurling team.
    I made the decision as I feel I no longer have the full support of all the players on the team.
    I regret that my decision to step down has come in the middle of the championship season, however I feel it is the best course of action for everybody involved"

It had become apparent in the wake of the defeat to Clare that some of the players were unhappy with McCarthy. There were rumours that Eoin Kelly was dropped off the panel for disciplinary reasons and much was made of Dan Shanahan storming off the field and refusing to shake Justin's hand when substituted. Apparently the players held a private meeting among themselves earlier in the week and so Justin resigned when he realised the game was up.

It's tough on McCarthy given how much he's done for Waterford, he took them to Munster titles and to the brink of All-Ireland glory. It wasn't his fault the schedule conspired against them last year or the players choked when so near the finishing line or there's not a decent goalkeeper to be found in the county. You could say that McCarthy has been there so long that his message and methods aren't working anymore but the manager is always the easy scapegoat after failures and in this case it looks more like players getting too big for their boots.

The effort (or lack of it) from some of them in the game against Clare was a disgrace, Shanahan was so anonymous during the game he could have been taken off long before half time. Conceding 2-26 was pretty shocking for the backs too even without Ken McGrath and Eoin Murphy.

Anyway now they have to find a new man to lead them through the qualifiers. They have an easy start to those with a likely game against Antrim and with the usual initial surge from having a new man in charge they might fly on a bit further but it's very hard to see them making the all ireland breakthrough this year now. Haven't heard any rumours yet as to who might take over, realistically they need a big name and a strong character although they'll probably settle on some easy choice guy from within the county.

That's all the substance you can produce? That's it? All that time and one cut and paste about rumours and big Dan. No insider information? Didn't really think you knew what you were talking about. Did I not tell ya to give your arse a rest.

[DuffleKing]

I never bothered. why would i?

You claimed there were no disgrntled players. i just showed you there were - in 5 seconds - what exactly do you need?

Why would i post up "insider information"? What's that got to do with your (admittedly inane) question?

[DuffleKing]

On refelection, why would i have to have insider info to know there was player unrest?

Did you change the question in your own mind?

let me recap what you asked...

Are you implying there were players discontented in Waterford

[dowling]

I never bothered. why would i?

You claimed there were no disgrntled players. i just showed you there were - in 5 seconds - what exactly do you need?

Why would i post up "insider information"? What's that got to do with your (admittedly inane) question?

Where did I claim that?
You see duffle you just jumped in and took a point I was making out of context in an attempt to be a smart arse.

[orangeman]

The crisis that has engulfed Limerick inter-county hurling shows no sign of abating with the news that goalkeeper Brian Murray is the latest player to quit the senior panel.

The catalyst for this latest demonstration of player-power seems to have been manager Justin McCarthy's decision to overhaul his squad.

Niall Moran, Stephen Lucey, Donie Ryan, Andrew O'Shaughnessy and Mark Foley were all dropped from the panel for the 2010 season and a number of their former team-mates have withdrawn their services in an apparent act of solidarity.

James Ryan, Damien Reale, Seamus Hickey, Brian Geary and Wayne McNamara are just some of the county stars that have ended their involvement in the panel.

McCarthy, who has already received the dreaded vote of confidence from the county board, is eager to keep all channels of communication open with the disenchanted players and has indicated that his door is always open to them.

Limerick PRO Helen Cross told the Irish Examiner: 'Justin has said he is available to talk to any player who wishes to meet him.

'But I understand that they have declined his offer. The PRO insisted that McCarthy and his management team retain the full backing of the county board.
'At a meeting of the County Management Committee in the Gaelic Grounds on Wednesday night (October 18) it was decided unanimously to support Justin McCarthy and his management team for 2010.

'The meeting ran from 7.30pm to 11.30pm - they went through everything and just felt that they needed to support Justin McCarthy as manager.

'It's a pity that things like this have to happen, but hopefully it will be resolved, because these situations can take a while to recover.'

[dowling]

I have to say this is all becoming more and more very Cork like. Players are refusing to meet and talk and players have decided who is good enough to be on the panel.
You would have to wonder if these players are taking advice from any quarter.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if McNamara and Justin stood firm - although McNamara seems less likely - if we have more player press conferences.

Maybe a way to solve all these managerial issues would be for the CB to say to a team dissatisfied with a manager to go and pick their own.
And see what happens.

[DuffleKing]

I never bothered. why would i?

You claimed there were no disgrntled players. i just showed you there were - in 5 seconds - what exactly do you need?

Why would i post up "insider information"? What's that got to do with your (admittedly inane) question?

Where did I claim that?
You see duffle you just jumped in and took a point I was making out of context in an attempt to be a smart arse.

Below is your exact question.

Are you implying there were players discontented in Waterford and none in Tyrone Duffleking?

I answered Yes.

I cannot see any need for elaboration or background. It was a simple, direct question that got a simple direct answer.

[dowling]

I never bothered. why would i?

You claimed there were no disgrntled players. i just showed you there were - in 5 seconds - what exactly do you need?

Why would i post up "insider information"? What's that got to do with your (admittedly inane) question?

Where did I claim that?
You see duffle you just jumped in and took a point I was making out of context in an attempt to be a smart arse.

Below is your exact question.

Are you implying there were players discontented in Waterford and none in Tyrone Duffleking?

I answered Yes.

I cannot see any need for elaboration or background. It was a simple, direct question that got a simple direct answer.

Or maybe you can't come up with anything further than Dan's discontent and a rumour. You would hardly think that was what caused Justin to resign.
Anyway what about Stephen ONeill? Why was he not playing all year? A bit closer to home for ya.

[DuffleKing]

I never mentioned dan shanahan. Again, you never asked for background until you were floundering and running out of argument.

I know all about stephen o'neill, thanks.

I'm finished with this purile nonsense.

[dowling]

I never mentioned dan shanahan. Again, you never asked for background until you were floundering and running out of argument.

I know all about stephen o'neill, thanks.

I'm finished with this purile nonsense.

Good, but don't be so hard on yourself. Just because you've been posting purile nonsense and are a chancer doesn't necessarily make you a bad person.

[imtommygunn]

Dowling do you know why Stephen O'Neill wasn't playing all year 2008? Please share. If he was that disgruntled he'd hardly have come back.