Antrim Hurling

[MalluskMan]

At no point did I say he was poor, tactically limited I believe was my quote. And I stand by it. Slaughtneil would have won Derry with Stevie wonder in charge; they should have won more ulsters: one Ulster final his 'tactic' was to get his best player to wrestle with Neil mc manus for an hour. You can pick the bones of that as well if ye want.

And yes,I left the players alone. Purposely. As I was talking about the poor set up and poor selection. That's not on the players. Same tactics as last year that didn't work. That's on the manager. Feel free to contact any one of the 30 panellists, they were his only words after the game before he hopped in his car and stormed up the road.

And start at u12?? Have we not got development squads?? Gaelfast?? Think you're helping my argument. If ye run about in an Antrim fibrus top you'd get a gig with the county. And it can be backed up with recent minor managers. St Paul's man had seven St Paul's players on panel, only three of them still hurl and are absolutely nowhere near an u20 or senior squad. We also had a Randalstown man in charge two seasons ago, 4 Randalstown players on the squad, not one of them start regularly for their club. I speak with fact!!

So two things, he was poor at slaughtneil and for Antrim?

He won a few Ulster championships, and Antrim unfortunately are not as good as we think they should be, based on our recent results at senior and many years at juvenile level we are where we are. You can't pull a rabbit out of a hat when they are 20 years of age.

That work needs done at under 12 right through


So you were at the match and give your opinion on the him, not how the players who stepped out onto the pitch played

You said the players were bullied and then complained he threatened players, and saying it's fact doesn't mean it's fact, you know that?

As for me stepping in, no, but you seem more well versed than I do, as I said, get in there. It's not job for the boys, or a closed shop, plenty managers over the years wouldn't fit that stereotype at juvenile level or under 20's

[Deerstalker]

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

[Milltown Row2]

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

That would only work if we were playing the same age group/team again

So in short those that are in place are tactically inept and they pick teams from certain clubs that the manager is a member of?

Heres my 2 cents worth

Development squads look good in theory, its about developing players to be better hurlers, but an academy would be better in my view, that they are given from that age full access to training by quality coaches who develop not just the skills but everything that is needed to bring them to senior, these include tournaments away in hurling heartlands during the early summer, under 12's in Kilkenny hurl as well as an under 12 in Antrim, its what's happening after that is where we are going wrong or not able to produce.

What are they doing differently, from that age up? The pool is bigger no doubt but the standard of the best 25 or so should be closer. This cost time money commitment from parents and kids alike, coaches need to buy into also. All that costs, if we don't we keep falling behind

Gaelfast was not about doing that, it was about raising the profile of GAA in Belfast and hoping for it to bring Belfast Gaa to a better place.

I've personally seen and been involved albeit in a minor role helping out, the fruits of hard labour when a plan is put in place that continued to roll off championship after championship, dedicated coaches managers and players getting that detailed attention.

Jonty took that St Johns team all over Ireland when they were under 12's through to minor and eventually it paid off at senior last year, they had a few close games and and came out the wrong side of tight games but the effort required to get to the top is huge. I've used this as example on how long a development takes place, and would view Gaelfast as a success when over a long period of time rather than say 10 years   

I played plenty juvenile hurling for Antrim at underage level (wasn't yesterday    ), the standard of training is so much higher, the exposure to games and strength and conditioning is thousand times better, but we are still falling behind, what is the missing piece for this?   

[Deerstalker]

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

That would only work if we were playing the same age group/team again

So in short those that are in place are tactically inept and they pick teams from certain clubs that the manager is a member of?

Heres my 2 cents worth

Development squads look good in theory, its about developing players to be better hurlers, but an academy would be better in my view, that they are given from that age full access to training by quality coaches who develop not just the skills but everything that is needed to bring them to senior, these include tournaments away in hurling heartlands during the early summer, under 12's in Kilkenny hurl as well as an under 12 in Antrim, its what's happening after that is where we are going wrong or not able to produce.

What are they doing differently, from that age up? The pool is bigger no doubt but the standard of the best 25 or so should be closer. This cost time money commitment from parents and kids alike, coaches need to buy into also. All that costs, if we don't we keep falling behind

Gaelfast was not about doing that, it was about raising the profile of GAA in Belfast and hoping for it to bring Belfast Gaa to a better place.

I've personally seen and been involved albeit in a minor role helping out, the fruits of hard labour when a plan is put in place that continued to roll off championship after championship, dedicated coaches managers and players getting that detailed attention.

Jonty took that St Johns team all over Ireland when they were under 12's through to minor and eventually it paid off at senior last year, they had a few close games and and came out the wrong side of tight games but the effort required to get to the top is huge. I've used this as example on how long a development takes place, and would view Gaelfast as a success when over a long period of time rather than say 10 years 

I played plenty juvenile hurling for Antrim at underage level (wasn't yesterday    ), the standard of training is so much higher, the exposure to games and strength and conditioning is thousand times better, but we are still falling behind, what is the missing piece for this? 

The management saw this years team as better than last year.

[JonnyD_]

so basically what your saying is get jonty in?         

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

That would only work if we were playing the same age group/team again

So in short those that are in place are tactically inept and they pick teams from certain clubs that the manager is a member of?

Heres my 2 cents worth

Development squads look good in theory, its about developing players to be better hurlers, but an academy would be better in my view, that they are given from that age full access to training by quality coaches who develop not just the skills but everything that is needed to bring them to senior, these include tournaments away in hurling heartlands during the early summer, under 12's in Kilkenny hurl as well as an under 12 in Antrim, its what's happening after that is where we are going wrong or not able to produce.

What are they doing differently, from that age up? The pool is bigger no doubt but the standard of the best 25 or so should be closer. This cost time money commitment from parents and kids alike, coaches need to buy into also. All that costs, if we don't we keep falling behind

Gaelfast was not about doing that, it was about raising the profile of GAA in Belfast and hoping for it to bring Belfast Gaa to a better place.

I've personally seen and been involved albeit in a minor role helping out, the fruits of hard labour when a plan is put in place that continued to roll off championship after championship, dedicated coaches managers and players getting that detailed attention.

Jonty took that St Johns team all over Ireland when they were under 12's through to minor and eventually it paid off at senior last year, they had a few close games and and came out the wrong side of tight games but the effort required to get to the top is huge. I've used this as example on how long a development takes place, and would view Gaelfast as a success when over a long period of time rather than say 10 years   

I played plenty juvenile hurling for Antrim at underage level (wasn't yesterday    ), the standard of training is so much higher, the exposure to games and strength and conditioning is thousand times better, but we are still falling behind, what is the missing piece for this?   

[imtommygunn]

That's what sambo and woody did with our really good minor team (one of McManus's years). Up and down the country though the time and cost of it makes it very difficult.

[Milltown Row2]

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

That would only work if we were playing the same age group/team again

So in short those that are in place are tactically inept and they pick teams from certain clubs that the manager is a member of?

Heres my 2 cents worth

Development squads look good in theory, its about developing players to be better hurlers, but an academy would be better in my view, that they are given from that age full access to training by quality coaches who develop not just the skills but everything that is needed to bring them to senior, these include tournaments away in hurling heartlands during the early summer, under 12's in Kilkenny hurl as well as an under 12 in Antrim, its what's happening after that is where we are going wrong or not able to produce.

What are they doing differently, from that age up? The pool is bigger no doubt but the standard of the best 25 or so should be closer. This cost time money commitment from parents and kids alike, coaches need to buy into also. All that costs, if we don't we keep falling behind

Gaelfast was not about doing that, it was about raising the profile of GAA in Belfast and hoping for it to bring Belfast Gaa to a better place.

I've personally seen and been involved albeit in a minor role helping out, the fruits of hard labour when a plan is put in place that continued to roll off championship after championship, dedicated coaches managers and players getting that detailed attention.

Jonty took that St Johns team all over Ireland when they were under 12's through to minor and eventually it paid off at senior last year, they had a few close games and and came out the wrong side of tight games but the effort required to get to the top is huge. I've used this as example on how long a development takes place, and would view Gaelfast as a success when over a long period of time rather than say 10 years 

I played plenty juvenile hurling for Antrim at underage level (wasn't yesterday    ), the standard of training is so much higher, the exposure to games and strength and conditioning is thousand times better, but we are still falling behind, what is the missing piece for this? 

The management saw this years team as better than last year.

And Meath thought differently it would seem

[the waffler]

Any ills of Antrim coming from limited club hurling ?? Taking the county players completely out of club games until championship time an issue ?

[Deerstalker]

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

That would only work if we were playing the same age group/team again

So in short those that are in place are tactically inept and they pick teams from certain clubs that the manager is a member of?

Heres my 2 cents worth

Development squads look good in theory, its about developing players to be better hurlers, but an academy would be better in my view, that they are given from that age full access to training by quality coaches who develop not just the skills but everything that is needed to bring them to senior, these include tournaments away in hurling heartlands during the early summer, under 12's in Kilkenny hurl as well as an under 12 in Antrim, its what's happening after that is where we are going wrong or not able to produce.

What are they doing differently, from that age up? The pool is bigger no doubt but the standard of the best 25 or so should be closer. This cost time money commitment from parents and kids alike, coaches need to buy into also. All that costs, if we don't we keep falling behind

Gaelfast was not about doing that, it was about raising the profile of GAA in Belfast and hoping for it to bring Belfast Gaa to a better place.

I've personally seen and been involved albeit in a minor role helping out, the fruits of hard labour when a plan is put in place that continued to roll off championship after championship, dedicated coaches managers and players getting that detailed attention.

Jonty took that St Johns team all over Ireland when they were under 12's through to minor and eventually it paid off at senior last year, they had a few close games and and came out the wrong side of tight games but the effort required to get to the top is huge. I've used this as example on how long a development takes place, and would view Gaelfast as a success when over a long period of time rather than say 10 years 

I played plenty juvenile hurling for Antrim at underage level (wasn't yesterday    ), the standard of training is so much higher, the exposure to games and strength and conditioning is thousand times better, but we are still falling behind, what is the missing piece for this? 

The management saw this years team as better than last year.

And Meath thought differently it would seem

What ?

[Milltown Row2]

Obviously not identical teams but we beat Meath by 16 points at the same stage last year

That would only work if we were playing the same age group/team again

So in short those that are in place are tactically inept and they pick teams from certain clubs that the manager is a member of?

Heres my 2 cents worth

Development squads look good in theory, its about developing players to be better hurlers, but an academy would be better in my view, that they are given from that age full access to training by quality coaches who develop not just the skills but everything that is needed to bring them to senior, these include tournaments away in hurling heartlands during the early summer, under 12's in Kilkenny hurl as well as an under 12 in Antrim, its what's happening after that is where we are going wrong or not able to produce.

What are they doing differently, from that age up? The pool is bigger no doubt but the standard of the best 25 or so should be closer. This cost time money commitment from parents and kids alike, coaches need to buy into also. All that costs, if we don't we keep falling behind

Gaelfast was not about doing that, it was about raising the profile of GAA in Belfast and hoping for it to bring Belfast Gaa to a better place.

I've personally seen and been involved albeit in a minor role helping out, the fruits of hard labour when a plan is put in place that continued to roll off championship after championship, dedicated coaches managers and players getting that detailed attention.

Jonty took that St Johns team all over Ireland when they were under 12's through to minor and eventually it paid off at senior last year, they had a few close games and and came out the wrong side of tight games but the effort required to get to the top is huge. I've used this as example on how long a development takes place, and would view Gaelfast as a success when over a long period of time rather than say 10 years 

I played plenty juvenile hurling for Antrim at underage level (wasn't yesterday    ), the standard of training is so much higher, the exposure to games and strength and conditioning is thousand times better, but we are still falling behind, what is the missing piece for this? 

The management saw this years team as better than last year.

And Meath thought differently it would seem

What ?

Meath improved we didn't

We've been looking at juvenile results for many years at all levels and bar those better flash in the pan teams, we do come up short sometimes against teams perceived to be below us, we've no right to beat anyone, this is a team effort, that's managers and players.. we lost.

If you feel you can do better stick your hat in the ring.