The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[Main Street]

It's never a great idea to let the police decide on interpreting the law in order to supposedly solve an issue to do with ethnic and religious abuse.
But this is a UEFA matter and the Strathclyde police have no jurisdiction with UEFA.

If it's TBOTOB that's the chant in question, then UEFA can find an issue with it.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/64/85/47/1648547_DOWNLOAD.pdf

In particular this one
Article 11
e) ]the use of gestures, words, objects or any other means to transmit any message that is not fit for a sports event, in particular if it is of a political, offensive or provocative nature;


But not with the more serious

'insults to the human dignity of a person or group of persons by whatever means, including on grounds of colour, race, religion or ethnic origin'

[thebigfella]

Doubt much will come of this case with UEFA. We have been in this situation before and they just threw the case out as the songs were found to be grand. Anyway, in the Rennes game there were no songs about the Provos which is perhaps deemed offensive by some folk. Just another bitter b**tard who wants Celtic to be seen as bad as the huns. f**k Strathclyde Police!

They are though

[reddgnhand]

It's never a great idea to let the police decide on interpreting the law in order to supposedly solve an issue to do with ethnic and religious abuse.
But this is a UEFA matter and the Strathclyde police have no jurisdiction with UEFA.

If it's TBOTOB that's the chant in question, then UEFA can find an issue with it.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/64/85/47/1648547_DOWNLOAD.pdf

In particular this one
Article 11
e) ]the use of gestures, words, objects or any other means to transmit any message that is not fit for a sports event, in particular if it is of a political, offensive or provocative nature;


But not with the more serious

'insults to the human dignity of a person or group of persons by whatever means, including on grounds of colour, race, religion or ethnic origin'

But sure that would cover every set of supporters.

[Main Street]

I suppose general abusive banter between fans is not an issue and wouldn't have the uefa delegate running to the rule book.
That's why I say that singing TBOTOB is less serious but if UEFA want to cut out the political angle then there is a rule there and also if uefa need to be seen as impartial.

Generally the behavior of Celtic fans abroad is worthy of high praise by the home fans, home club, city authorities and police. The evidence for that is overwhelming. Personally I don't see a good enough reason why the TBOTOB should be sung  any more at football games.  But considering the history of the SFA against Celtic's Irish identity it has to be understood and accepted that there are other lines which can't be crossed.

[Forever Green]

Doubt much will come of this case with UEFA. We have been in this situation before and they just threw the case out as the songs were found to be grand. Anyway, in the Rennes game there were no songs about the Provos which is perhaps deemed offensive by some folk. Just another bitter b**tard who wants Celtic to be seen as bad as the huns. f**k Strathclyde Police!

They are though

How exactly?

[thebigfella]

Doubt much will come of this case with UEFA. We have been in this situation before and they just threw the case out as the songs were found to be grand. Anyway, in the Rennes game there were no songs about the Provos which is perhaps deemed offensive by some folk. Just another bitter b**tard who wants Celtic to be seen as bad as the huns. f**k Strathclyde Police!

They are though

How exactly?

Look at your avatar, need I say more. Hard to to take someone serious, blaming bitter b**tard's trying to paint Celtic fans as bad as Ranger's, when you have that 

In my experience though Celtic's fans are just as big a scum as Ranger's and that based on first hand experience too.

[Forever Green]

So, when did we trash a city after getting beat in the UEFA cup final? When did we send bombs to a Rangers manager? When was someone killed for wearing a Rangers shirt? Their fans constantly sing about being up to their knees in fenian blood, where is our equivalent  of that song? Quit talking utter pish based on experience with a few people. Absolutely nothing bitter about my avatar either dickhead

[Main Street]

Best ignore the big fella,
yet another wee brain with a craving attention disorder.

[saffron sam2]

Whilst it is clear that TBOTOB has nothing to do with the Provisional IRA (unless you add the words "Provisional wing" in after the bit about joining the IRA), can anyone tell me why some think it is appropriate for Celtic fans to sing this song?

Personally, I can't think of any reason.

[Muzz]

Saffron I dont think that many people would say its okay to sing the song.  As was stated in the original post it is one section of the crowd that is singing these songs.  The Green Brigade are the ones starting this.

Whilst the song may seem okay to sing becasue it is not about the IRA if it is getting Celtic a bad name the supporters should let it rest.  Plenty of other songs to sing.

Its sad to get labelled the same as Rangers after everything they have got up to.  About time the GB got a life and stop their political agenda (not just here but in Scotland)

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Is it the same policeman who has reported us for the Hibs match as well?

Eddie Smith ex referee

[Main Street]

Whilst it is clear that TBOTOB has nothing to do with the Provisional IRA (unless you add the words "Provisional wing" in after the bit about joining the IRA), can anyone tell me why some think it is appropriate for Celtic fans to sing this song?

Personally, I can't think of any reason.

Why some think it is appropriate for Celtic fans to sing this song?

I'd presume there are some  who think that the song is part of an ethnic Irish cultural identity and that identity is strong part of the Celtic FC.
It's a grand song, as songs go about olden rebel days.

I don't think it's appropriate and under UEFA regulations it could fall under the category of political content which is deemed inappropriate.

But to my mind, that's not the bigger issue.
It appears to me (I'm not quite sure) that the law in Scotland is left wide open for the police to interpret and define what constitutes an offense.
And because the police say it is an offense, therefore it is an offense.

If that is the case, then I would find that very disturbing.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Whilst it is clear that TBOTOB has nothing to do with the Provisional IRA (unless you add the words "Provisional wing" in after the bit about joining the IRA), can anyone tell me why some think it is appropriate for Celtic fans to sing this song?

Personally, I can't think of any reason.

Why some think it is appropriate for Celtic fans to sing this song?

I'd presume there are some  who think that the song is part of an ethnic Irish cultural identity and that identity is strong part of the Celtic FC.
It's a grand song, as songs go about olden rebel days.

I don't think it's appropriate and under UEFA regulations it could fall under the category of political content which is deemed inappropriate.

But to my mind, that's not the bigger issue.
It appears to me (I'm not quite sure) that the law in Scotland is left wide open for the police to interpret and define what constitutes an offense.
And because the police say it is an offense, therefore it is an offense.

If that is the case, then I would find that very disturbing.

One of the reasons why the Green Brigade are against the new law.
Grant Adams (Rangers under 21 keeper, brother of Charlie Adams) has fallen foul of this law (afaik) already.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Good to see Stokes getting a brace on Saturday and a great result to bring back from the Highlands.
Great to see the Orcs drop 2 points at home, a win against Dunfermline on Wednesday evening will bring the gap back to 7 points with just under two thirds of the season to go.

[Muzz]

Your right there - great to see.

Back to within 7 points wouldnt seem such an uphill struggle.  Just hope they can get past the Pars.

Interesting performance from the guys on Saturday.  Solid at the back (for a change)  Wanyama is soo cool on the ball that gives me a heart attack when there is about 3 players around him but always seems to do the right thing.  Forrest some nice touchs and runs, Ledley definitely getting to how he is expected to play, Kayal solid, Stokes got the goals and Hooper has such a football brain that he is always a danger.  He may not be scoring the goals but hes creating chances for others through his passing and runs.