South Belfast North of Ireland Supporters Club

[A Quinn Martin Production]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

[carribbear]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

If they got bands to play the sash while the teams parade around the field do you reckon they could get more unionists to join the GAA, even if its just for the walk?

[dublinfella]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

You are wasting your time producing facts for Lynch. He isn't listening.

[Gnevin]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

Gnevin I was using your earlier link to what I now notice is the 2003 guide.  Must have brough this in between then and 2008 and they now do mention the anthem!  Is the €500 for non display of the flag or for not treating the anthem with respect!! 

Has any club or county board ever been fined for this??

[Gnevin]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

Gnevin I was using your earlier link to what I now notice is the 2003 guide.  Must have brough this in between then and 2008 and they now do mention the anthem!  Is the €500 for non display of the flag or for not treating the anthem with respect!! 

Has any club or county board ever been fined for this??

Yeah I though you where using the old guide. I wasn't saying you where wrong more of a FYI. Yes I think a few counties have been not 100% sure but Dublin and the Croker don't fly the flag and night which is the correct protocol and so technically should be fined 

[pintsofguinness]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

Gnevin I was using your earlier link to what I now notice is the 2003 guide.  Must have brough this in between then and 2008 and they now do mention the anthem!  Is the €500 for non display of the flag or for not treating the anthem with respect!! 

Has any club or county board ever been fined for this??

Yeah I though you where using the old guide. I wasn't saying you where wrong more of a FYI. Yes I think a few counties have been not 100% sure but Dublin and the Croker don't fly the flag and night which is the correct protocol and so technically should be fined 

The GAA could make some money on that one if it was implemented.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

Gnevin I was using your earlier link to what I now notice is the 2003 guide.  Must have brough this in between then and 2008 and they now do mention the anthem!  Is the €500 for non display of the flag or for not treating the anthem with respect!! 

Has any club or county board ever been fined for this??

Yeah I though you where using the old guide. I wasn't saying you where wrong more of a FYI. Yes I think a few counties have been not 100% sure but Dublin and the Croker don't fly the flag and night which is the correct protocol and so technically should be fined 

The GAA could make some money on that one if it was implemented.

Even better, fine the fans for cheering half way through the anthem!!

[lynchbhoy]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

4. (d) anti-competitive and would go against EU law. Cannot be enforced.

11. Amateur status - no pay. Def Not enforced.

14. Anti doping - how is this enforced?

15. National Flag- with some 12 games played so far this season and not a
flag flown at any of them - do I owe the GAA €600

17. There are mentors/managers who are not 'paid up' members of clubs.

20. allegience - what the hell is that rubbish about.No metrics and no enforcement.


I stopped reading it after this, too many flakey un-enforceable rules.

another example - Sure the GAA rules on suspensions have been challenged on many occasions in the
courts and the GAA have usually lost.

So many rules not enforced or are un-enforceable.
Anyhow , Answer the question I put to you.

[dublinfella]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

4. (d) anti-competitive and would go against EU law. Cannot be enforced.

11. Amateur status - no pay. Def Not enforced.

14. Anti doping - how is this enforced?

15. National Flag- with some 12 games played so far this season and not a
flag flown at any of them - do I owe the GAA €600

17. There are mentors/managers who are not 'paid up' members of clubs.

20. allegience - what the hell is that rubbish about.No metrics and no enforcement.


I stopped reading it after this, too many flakey un-enforceable rules.

another example - Sure the GAA rules on suspensions have been challenged on many occasions in the
courts and the GAA have usually lost.

So many rules not enforced or are un-enforceable.
Anyhow , Answer the question I put to you.

The GAA's ability to enforce its own rulebook is not the issue here.

The point is you have denied there was a rule, you were shown it in black and white and now are off on a tangent that becauset the rule is currently not enforced, its not a rule.

Gnevin asked you before. Would you join the GAA if the 'unenforced' aim was to preserve British rule in the North?

[T Fearon]

The best North of Ireland supporters seem to be able to do, when I put them behind the eight ball, is to refer to the GAA (a comparison is totally invalid), instead of addressing the key issue which is the IFA's hijacking of a global sport and politically aligning it in a partisan way to one part of a deeply polarised community. This is manifested by the flags display outside the South Belfast North of Ireland Supporters Club. To claim that the flag display is coinciding with a game is farcical.

This is the root cause of the decades of sectarianism witnessed at Windsor Park, and indeed the continued alienation of 45% of the six county community from the IFA and its team.

Until this is addressed no progress can be made and claims of being non sectarian and promoting football for all will remain hollow.

[fred the red]

The best North of Ireland supporters seem to be able to do, when I put them behind the eight ball, is to refer to the GAA (a comparison is totally invalid), instead of addressing the key issue which is the IFA's hijacking of a global sport and politically aligning it in a partisan way to one part of a deeply polarised community. This is manifested by the flags display outside the South Belfast North of Ireland Supporters Club. To claim that the flag display is coinciding with a game is farcical.

This is the root cause of the decades of sectarianism witnessed at Windsor Park, and indeed the continued alienation of 45% of the six county community from the IFA and its team.

Until this is addressed no progress can be made and claims of being non sectarian and promoting football for all will remain hollow.

Tony, you know well by now that they are the masters of whataboutery!

this thread was originally about SBNISC but it went off on such a tangent that it wud put ur tumble dryer to shame!

[Maguire01]

The best North of Ireland supporters seem to be able to do, when I put them behind the eight ball, is to refer to the GAA (a comparison is totally invalid), instead of addressing the key issue which is the IFA's hijacking of a global sport and politically aligning it in a partisan way to one part of a deeply polarised community. This is manifested by the flags display outside the South Belfast North of Ireland Supporters Club. To claim that the flag display is coinciding with a game is farcical.

This is the root cause of the decades of sectarianism witnessed at Windsor Park, and indeed the continued alienation of 45% of the six county community from the IFA and its team.

Until this is addressed no progress can be made and claims of being non sectarian and promoting football for all will remain hollow.

But really, if you're being honest, you're just (constantly) looking for more reasons not to like them. The fact that you keep using the term 'North of Ireland' in relation to the football team (regardless of your political opinion, this is not the name of the team) would surely imply that you'd be 'alienated' regardless of what the IFA does. I can't believe that you'd actually want it any other way.

[lynchbhoy]

GAA Official Guide...Rule 16..."The National Flag should be displayed at all matches".  However there is no penalty for "non-display".  So there is a rule but there is no sanction for "breaking" that rule.  The rules of the GAA don't mention an anthem at all.

Rule 15 http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_guides/official_guide1_june10.pdf in the 2008 guide . 500 fine.

4. (d) anti-competitive and would go against EU law. Cannot be enforced.

11. Amateur status - no pay. Def Not enforced.

14. Anti doping - how is this enforced?

15. National Flag- with some 12 games played so far this season and not a
flag flown at any of them - do I owe the GAA €600

17. There are mentors/managers who are not 'paid up' members of clubs.

20. allegience - what the hell is that rubbish about.No metrics and no enforcement.


I stopped reading it after this, too many flakey un-enforceable rules.

another example - Sure the GAA rules on suspensions have been challenged on many occasions in the
courts and the GAA have usually lost.

So many rules not enforced or are un-enforceable.
Anyhow , Answer the question I put to you.

The GAA's ability to enforce its own rulebook is not the issue here.

The point is you have denied there was a rule, you were shown it in black and white and now are off on a tangent that becauset the rule is currently not enforced, its not a rule.

Gnevin asked you before. Would you join the GAA if the 'unenforced' aim was to preserve British rule in the North?

it is exactly the issue. The rule 'exixts' in the 'rulebook' but its a 'rule' that I have never heard of or seen implemented. It and the other examples I have given, and undoubtedly there are more if you went into it - indicate that while they are written, they effectively do not exist.

As well as that there is the 'rule' that the GAA is non political/non sectarian.
I'll even help gnevin with his answer, that his interpretation of the rule he is mentioning is incorrect - it is not a political aim.
To improve the national identity IN a 32 county Ireland is not a political statement. It is a desire to improve Irish culture/Gaelic games.

no insults from you this time roversfella - are you not well ?

I still await his examples.

[T Fearon]

The North of Ireland is a term used by thousands to refer to this region and implies no  bigotry or prejudice. You might as well try to argue that the term "Northern Ireland" and its use is evidence of bias. Its the same as using Derry or "Londonderry", no bias or prejudicial claims can be attached to any person for whichever name he or she decides to use when referring to a place.

If the IFA operated in a totally apolitical non partisan environment I would fully credit them for this achievement and would concede that they were genuinely interested in defeating sectarianism.