South Belfast North of Ireland Supporters Club

[saffron sam2]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

So GSTQ and the discredited Ulster banner are all about equalising?

You are a more worthy contributor than that.

Nope, just posting my now-traditional (and due to be traditionally ignored by Tony) reality check on Tony's traditional "using the symbols of only one community exclusively" post.

(not all traditions are good, eh )

No, the colour green, the Celtic cross and the shamrock all pre-date the Reformation, the Act of Union and partition.

Whereas?

[MW]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

So GSTQ and the discredited Ulster banner are all about equalising?

You are a more worthy contributor than that.

Nope, just posting my now-traditional (and due to be traditionally ignored by Tony) reality check on Tony's traditional "using the symbols of only one community exclusively" post.

(not all traditions are good, eh )

No, the colour green, the Celtic cross and the shamrock all pre-date the Reformation, the Act of Union and partition.

Whereas?

It still discounts what Tony says about symbols that are exclusively of one community.

I'm not really making a serious point in any case, because I'm fairly convinced Tony makes deliberately "holey" arguments. (and I also think he deliberately aims to draw verbal "fire" on the GAA in a kind of ambush tactic...very odd man)

For my own point of view, I've long argued for a replacement for GSTQ. The FGoNI flag/Ulster Banner on the other hand, I'm very attached to (seeing it as the flag of my country* and all that) in a NI context, but to paraphrase Dev I'm not a "doctrinaire Ulster Bannerite".

[saffron sam2]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

So GSTQ and the discredited Ulster banner are all about equalising?

You are a more worthy contributor than that.

Nope, just posting my now-traditional (and due to be traditionally ignored by Tony) reality check on Tony's traditional "using the symbols of only one community exclusively" post.

(not all traditions are good, eh )

No, the colour green, the Celtic cross and the shamrock all pre-date the Reformation, the Act of Union and partition.

Whereas?

It still discounts what Tony says about symbols that are exclusively of one community.

I'm not really making a serious point in any case, because I'm fairly convinced Tony makes deliberately "holey" arguments. (and I also think he deliberately aims to draw verbal "fire" on the GAA in a kind of ambush tactic...very odd man)

For my own point of view, I've long argued for a replacement for GSTQ. The FGoNI flag/Ulster Banner on the other hand, I'm very attached to (seeing it as the flag of my country* and all that) in a NI context, but to paraphrase Dev I'm not a "doctrinaire Ulster Bannerite".

There is a possible argument that said flag was appropriate in the years from 1950 to 1974 - there isn't outside that. However the use of GSTQ negates such an argument.

[Gnevin]

Some idiots on this threads.

The GAA exists to strengthen the national identity in a 32 county Ireland etc ...the GAA does not have any opinion on what is the best form of government for Irish people and nowhere in the rules does it say we should live in a 32 county socialist republic! And I presume were the political map to change in Ireland and the island was divided into 7 different jurisdictions this aim would allow the GAA to continue to run the All Ireland Championships.  The GAA allows London and New York to enter the Championship...I can't see the IFA allowing Bohemians to enter the Irish Cup

Spurious. The IFA can't let Bohs into the Irish Cup because FIFA won't let them. The GAA can do what they like.

Derry City?

I ask again. What flag and anthem should the IFA use to appease you?

A flag bearing the IFA crest and nothing else.

An anthem that isn't GSTQ - possibly Danny Boy  or Roddy McCorley or The Gem of the Roe or Dylan's Blowin in the Wind. Or Dana's "When Yer Man gets the ball".

the white red hand of Ulster flag.
Generally the unionist community, but is the recognised flag of the 6 counties in sport.

By whom? First time I've heard of it.

Sure don't the ulster representatives on the rugby team, David Humphries, Rory Best and pals line up with the tricolour and amhrann na bhfiann? It's going that way so you might as well get used to the song.

Not when they are playing for Ulster, which is what we are discussing here....

Tommy Bowe?

In fairness, it's mostly one twit.

Do you think the IFA could get Tommy to sing black velvet band before each match?

[saffron sam2]

Some idiots on this threads.

The GAA exists to strengthen the national identity in a 32 county Ireland etc ...the GAA does not have any opinion on what is the best form of government for Irish people and nowhere in the rules does it say we should live in a 32 county socialist republic! And I presume were the political map to change in Ireland and the island was divided into 7 different jurisdictions this aim would allow the GAA to continue to run the All Ireland Championships.  The GAA allows London and New York to enter the Championship...I can't see the IFA allowing Bohemians to enter the Irish Cup

Spurious. The IFA can't let Bohs into the Irish Cup because FIFA won't let them. The GAA can do what they like.

Derry City?

I ask again. What flag and anthem should the IFA use to appease you?

A flag bearing the IFA crest and nothing else.

An anthem that isn't GSTQ - possibly Danny Boy  or Roddy McCorley or The Gem of the Roe or Dylan's Blowin in the Wind. Or Dana's "When Yer Man gets the ball".

the white red hand of Ulster flag.
Generally the unionist community, but is the recognised flag of the 6 counties in sport.

By whom? First time I've heard of it.

Sure don't the ulster representatives on the rugby team, David Humphries, Rory Best and pals line up with the tricolour and amhrann na bhfiann? It's going that way so you might as well get used to the song.

Not when they are playing for Ulster, which is what we are discussing here....

Tommy Bowe?

In fairness, it's mostly one twit.

Do you think the IFA could get Tommy to sing black velvet band before each match?

Depends on whether it's the Belfast or Tralee version.

On second thoughts, no, get the IFA to lift Peter Savage's ban and dress Tommy up as a linesman.

[Gnevin]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

[lynchbhoy]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

you have not answered the question I posed you prior to yours...

[Gnevin]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

you have not answered the question I posed you prior to yours...

Yes I did.

[MW]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

So GSTQ and the discredited Ulster banner are all about equalising?

You are a more worthy contributor than that.

Nope, just posting my now-traditional (and due to be traditionally ignored by Tony) reality check on Tony's traditional "using the symbols of only one community exclusively" post.

(not all traditions are good, eh )

No, the colour green, the Celtic cross and the shamrock all pre-date the Reformation, the Act of Union and partition.

Whereas?

It still discounts what Tony says about symbols that are exclusively of one community.

I'm not really making a serious point in any case, because I'm fairly convinced Tony makes deliberately "holey" arguments. (and I also think he deliberately aims to draw verbal "fire" on the GAA in a kind of ambush tactic...very odd man)

For my own point of view, I've long argued for a replacement for GSTQ. The FGoNI flag/Ulster Banner on the other hand, I'm very attached to (seeing it as the flag of my country* and all that) in a NI context, but to paraphrase Dev I'm not a "doctrinaire Ulster Bannerite".

There is a possible argument that said flag was appropriate in the years from 1950 to 1974 - there isn't outside that. However the use of GSTQ negates such an argument.

Not really. The use of the Ulster Banner/fGoNI flag dates from when it had official government status; GSTQ back far longer than this (to a time when all four 'home countries' used GSTQ as it was the official anthem covering the whole UK) and didn't have a replacement with official status.

The argument that the Ulster Banner is appropriate after 1973 would be that it's the only flag of its own Northern Ireland has ever had, and is the flag regularly used to represent NI in the sporting arena.

[lynchbhoy]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

you have not answered the question I posed you prior to yours...

Yes I did.

oh so you gave the answer as to where your much trumpeted 'aim' was implemented/backed up/enforced,
when this was and by who

I cant find that answer, though you must have it as you have purported that this 'aim' is current and is the crux of your whole 'argument' that the GAA are political (actually its your only point).

[Gnevin]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

you have not answered the question I posed you prior to yours...

Yes I did.

oh so you gave the answer as to where your much trumpeted 'aim' was implemented/backed up/enforced,
when this was and by who

I cant find that answer, though you must have it as you have purported that this 'aim' is current and is the crux of your whole 'argument' that the GAA are political (actually its your only point).

You know if you read what people posted and checked your fact you might not make such a fool out of yourself .

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13346.msg617262#msg617262

Answer the question please.

[saffron sam2]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

So GSTQ and the discredited Ulster banner are all about equalising?

You are a more worthy contributor than that.

Nope, just posting my now-traditional (and due to be traditionally ignored by Tony) reality check on Tony's traditional "using the symbols of only one community exclusively" post.

(not all traditions are good, eh )

No, the colour green, the Celtic cross and the shamrock all pre-date the Reformation, the Act of Union and partition.

Whereas?

It still discounts what Tony says about symbols that are exclusively of one community.

I'm not really making a serious point in any case, because I'm fairly convinced Tony makes deliberately "holey" arguments. (and I also think he deliberately aims to draw verbal "fire" on the GAA in a kind of ambush tactic...very odd man)

For my own point of view, I've long argued for a replacement for GSTQ. The FGoNI flag/Ulster Banner on the other hand, I'm very attached to (seeing it as the flag of my country* and all that) in a NI context, but to paraphrase Dev I'm not a "doctrinaire Ulster Bannerite".

There is a possible argument that said flag was appropriate in the years from 1950 to 1974 - there isn't outside that. However the use of GSTQ negates such an argument.

Not really. The use of the Ulster Banner/fGoNI flag dates from when it had official government status; GSTQ back far longer than this (to a time when all four 'home countries' used GSTQ as it was the official anthem covering the whole UK) and didn't have a replacement with official status.

The argument that the Ulster Banner is appropriate after 1973 would be that it's the only flag of its own Northern Ireland has ever had, and is the flag regularly used to represent NI in the sporting arena.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that FIFA decreed a 'Northern Ireland' team in 1950, prior to this 'twas an All-Ireland IFA team. Hence the discredited Ulster banner couldn't be considered appropriate prior to 1950. After the fall of the hated pseudo-apartheid-esque Stormont regime, the discredited Ulster banner lost any official status. Your point about 'regular use' and hence pseudo "de facto" status for the flag is disingenious - talk us through 'regular' use of the flag.

[magickingdom]

The GAA exists to promote a version of Irish culture invented in the late 19th century. Football was invented in a hotel bar and hurling was ressurected from a thousand year slumber. Unionists don't identify with it, nor do large swathes of urban Ireland.

I ask again. What flag and anthem should the IFA use to appease you?

coming from you thats a focking laugh, you'd know all about getting ignored by large swathes of urban ireland. there are more man u supporters on any street of tallaght then there are shamrock rovers supporters. as for the gaa promoting irish culture, never came across it in all my years playing football, got a little bit interested when the short skirts came along in riverdance but that was about it. i'll be at the ireland/aus match tomorrow night as i love the irish soccer team btw.

[lynchbhoy]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

you have not answered the question I posed you prior to yours...

Yes I did.

oh so you gave the answer as to where your much trumpeted 'aim' was implemented/backed up/enforced,
when this was and by who

I cant find that answer, though you must have it as you have purported that this 'aim' is current and is the crux of your whole 'argument' that the GAA are political (actually its your only point).

You know if you read what people posted and checked your fact you might not make such a fool out of yourself .

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13346.msg617262#msg617262

Answer the question please.

is THIS your 'answer' to that question ?

And for the forth time it's not from ancient time or the early beginnings as I posted the original aims of the association .

The fact it's not implemented is not the point , answer my question with a simple yes or no please .

I cannot see or find any of the examples I asked you for !

[Gnevin]

I await Tony's opinion on the NI shirt being Irish emerald green, bearing an IFA badge made up of a Celtic cross and four shamrocks...

too lame
how about a harp with something else in the background
a mountain or the sea

an traditional fry or pint of guinness/glass of whiskey are also too lame..
maybe a red hand?

Dodging my question Lynch?

you have not answered the question I posed you prior to yours...

Yes I did.

oh so you gave the answer as to where your much trumpeted 'aim' was implemented/backed up/enforced,
when this was and by who

I cant find that answer, though you must have it as you have purported that this 'aim' is current and is the crux of your whole 'argument' that the GAA are political (actually its your only point).

You know if you read what people posted and checked your fact you might not make such a fool out of yourself .

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13346.msg617262#msg617262

Answer the question please.

is THIS your 'answer' to that question ?

And for the forth time it's not from ancient time or the early beginnings as I posted the original aims of the association .

The fact it's not implemented is not the point , answer my question with a simple yes or no please .

I cannot see or find any of the examples I asked you for !

Don't worry when your finished reading Ann and Barry you maybe be able to talk with the grown ups.