Sinn Fein vs Sieg Heil - Spot the Difference

[Main Street]

Are you saying there isn't any such thing was international law on war, such as the Geneva Conventions?

Yes.

Then you live in a wierd fantasy world, because international law on war, including the

Are you saying there isn't any such thing was international law on war, such as the Geneva Conventions?

Yes.

Then you live in a wierd fantasy world, because international law on war, including the Geneva Convention, does exist.

And servicemen in wars, like the First and Second World Wars, have generally been pretty clear that they were "fair game" for their enemy counterparts, and vice versa.

Yes.

If you agree with this, then what's your point?

, does exist.

The Geneva Convention has nothing to do with how battle is actually conducted or defining who is a combatant or a so called terrorist.
Primarily it is for the treatment of combatants after/during the battle, the protection of civilians and medical distribution and supplies.
All of which are regularly circumvented and ignored  even to this day by the so called more civilized war mongers.

[deiseach]

All this talk of sovereign states reminds me of a comment attributed to Brendan Behan: "The terrorist is the one with the small bomb".

[carribbear]

You get medals for killing foreigners in that army. He'll rot in hell.

[Myles Na G.]

'1st point - balls if it exists on the 'battlefield'.

2nd point - Constable Murphy was "fair game" even though some bucko in Europe didn't agree. '

The vast majority of Irish people - people actually living on the island, unlike PoG who preaches war against the invader while living in...err...the land of the invader - don't / didn't agree with so called armed stuggle either. The fact that a minority of pricks take it upon themselves to wage war doesn't make them freedom fighters. It makes them sectarian / political fanatics in most cases. Those people like Constable Murphy and the present generation of recruits to the PSNI are doing better service for their country than all the martyrs to the cause who gave their lives 9and took other peoples) for 'mother Ireland'. Slan (I know you like that sort of thing).
 

[red hander]

'1st point - balls if it exists on the 'battlefield'.

2nd point - Constable Murphy was "fair game" even though some bucko in Europe didn't agree. '

The vast majority of Irish people - people actually living on the island, unlike PoG who preaches war against the invader while living in...err...the land of the invader - don't / didn't agree with so called armed stuggle either. The fact that a minority of pricks take it upon themselves to wage war doesn't make them freedom fighters. It makes them sectarian / political fanatics in most cases. Those people like Constable Murphy and the present generation of recruits to the PSNI are doing better service for their country than all the martyrs to the cause who gave their lives 9and took other peoples) for 'mother Ireland'. Slan (I know you like that sort of thing).
 

Is that the same vast majority of Irish people who voted for republican candidates in 1918, had their democratic wishes ignored and had partition enforced to establish a sectarian, apartheid regime in the six north-eastern counties of the country? When the ballot box is ignored is it any wonder the bullet is employed?  BTW, Murphy was a traitor to his people and you know what happens traitors, even those who aren't Irish, no matter how many times you argue the fact

[pintsofguinness]

'1st point - balls if it exists on the 'battlefield'.

2nd point - Constable Murphy was "fair game" even though some bucko in Europe didn't agree. '

The vast majority of Irish people - people actually living on the island, unlike PoG who preaches war against the invader while living in...err...the land of the invader - don't / didn't agree with so called armed stuggle either. The fact that a minority of pricks take it upon themselves to wage war doesn't make them freedom fighters. It makes them sectarian / political fanatics in most cases. Those people like Constable Murphy and the present generation of recruits to the PSNI are doing better service for their country than all the martyrs to the cause who gave their lives 9and took other peoples) for 'mother Ireland'. Slan (I know you like that sort of thing).
 

and the people who colluded with loyalist paramilitarties to murder nationalists, the people who gunned down nationalists and catholics, who blinded children with plastic bullets, who covered up british army murder of nationalists...."and you dare to call me a terrorist, while you look down your gun"


I suppose the ones in iraq shooting at US and British soldiers are terrorists too?

[Myles Na G.]

'Is that the same vast majority of Irish people who voted for republican candidates in 1918, had their democratic wishes ignored and had partition enforced to establish a sectarian, apartheid regime in the six north-eastern counties of the country? When the ballot box is ignored is it any wonder the bullet is employed?  BTW, Murphy was a traitor to his people and you know what happens traitors, even those who aren't Irish, no matter how many times you argue the fact'

Why do you ignore all the elections after 1918? Would it be because that's the only one that gives you the result you want? Why do those who voted in 1918 have a right to dictate what happens in Ireland in the latter half of the 20th and the early 21st century? The party which puts forward a justification for 'armed struggle' has polled badly in Ireland in virtually every recent election. The Shinners can't even buy a vote in the republuc at present, nor could they when the violence was at it's height. Yet still they claim to represent the people of this country!

'and the people who colluded with loyalist paramilitarties to murder nationalists, the people who gunned down nationalists and catholics, who blinded children with plastic bullets, who covered up british army murder of nationalists...."and you dare to call me a terrorist, while you look down your gun"


I suppose the ones in iraq shooting at US and British soldiers are terrorists too?

What about republicans who colluded with the security forces to murder nationalists, or do they not count? What about republicans who murdered nationalists without any help at all? wHAT ABOUT REPUBLICANS WHO CRIPPLED CHILDREN WITH THEIR PUNISHMENT BEATINGS AND SHOOTINGS, WHO TOOK MOTHERS FROM THEIR KIDS, MURDERED THEM AND HID THE BODIES?

[pintsofguinness]

What about republicans who colluded with the security forces to murder nationalists, or do they not count? What about republicans who murdered nationalists without any help at all? wHAT ABOUT REPUBLICANS WHO CRIPPLED CHILDREN WITH THEIR PUNISHMENT BEATINGS AND SHOOTINGS, WHO TOOK MOTHERS FROM THEIR KIDS, MURDERED THEM AND HID THE BODIES?

What about them?  Why don't you answer my questions?

[Myles Na G.]

'What about them?  Why don't you answer my questions?'

You only asked one question, about Iraq. I don't know anything about Iraq other than what I see in the media, and since I don't believe this always presents an acuurate, unbiased picture, I have no view on the specifics of the situation. On principle, I'm generally anti war, so I opposed the invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Why don't you answer my questions?

[pintsofguinness]

'What about them?  Why don't you answer my questions?'

You only asked one question, about Iraq. I don't know anything about Iraq other than what I see in the media, and since I don't believe this always presents an acuurate, unbiased picture, I have no view on the specifics of the situation. On principle, I'm generally anti war, so I opposed the invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Why don't you answer my questions?

what question?

interesting who you're heros are (the ones "doing a better service for their country" but I suppose it depends on what you mean by "better service for their country") and you're "anti war".

[red hander]

'Why do those who voted in 1918 have a right to dictate what happens in Ireland in the latter half of the 20th and the early 21st century?'

They don't ... but they had a right to say (you used the word dictate, which is ironic) what happened in Ireland in 1918 and beyond.     Like the previous 800 years, their wishes were ignored by the colonial invaders.  What right had the undemocratic, sectarian, apartheid unionist regime to dictate what happened in the six counties from 1921-69?  What right had a foreign power to dictate what happens on Irish soil for 800 years?  Think you've answered your own question there ... now calm down with the caps key there, you'll be busting a blood vessel son 

[Rossfan]

Constable Murphy, whether he knew it or not or liked it or not, was helping to keep the Nationalist/Catholic population in their 2nd class place so that the Orange Order and Unionist Parties could maintain their Sectarian Statelet.
Don't know if it's right to consider that a Capital Offence but was he not killed in a shoot out between two groups of armed men? ( Or am I mixing this up with another case?)

[updown9194]

"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'. That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now."

Enoch Powell, Ulster Unionist MP for South Down.

Actually, he was Conservative MP for Wolverhampton South West when he gave that speech.

Interesting that you prefer to think of a speech given over 40 years ago, by a Conservative MP who later became an Ulster Unionist, giving a dire warning on his views of the dangers of mass immigration, to, for example, what happened this very week in the action of the DUP MEP in refusing to take her seat next to the BNP's Nick Griffin, or the denunication of racism from the Twelfh field platform by the Orange Order's spokesman this week...

In fairness the whole 'refusing to take her seat' thing is a gimmick and nothing else. Diane Dodds may not be a racist but I think the point about Enoch Powell is that when he was considered too much of a liability for the tories he handily won a seat in North Down, which was apparently the only place that someone like him could go to. This being a Conservative party which took a long time to move into the era of political correctness.

I'm sure if we looked hard enough we would be able to see plenty of republican support for anti-Nazi sentiments in the same manner as Diane's 'meaningful' snub.

Two points here.

You appear very confused about Powell's departure from the Conservative Party. He wasn't "considered too much of a liability for the Tories" - he quit the Conservative Party over their support for British membership of the EEC. He urged people to vote Labour in the general election as they opposed EEC membership, but was hardly going to join a socialist party as a conservative. So he chose a conservative party, one which that same year had quit the Conservative whip at Westminster and which also opposed EEC membership. By the way, he was elected in South Down.

And if you think Dodds's action was meaningless, you could look for example at the attention given to opposing racism in their last NI election manifesto...

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I'm not confused on his departure from the Conservative Party, I'm well aware of it. Edward Heath considered him the reason that the Tories lost the election, a consideration which was also agreed by a certain Enoch Powell. He is therefore by definition an electoral liability, which is the only liability there is in politics. There is little debate as to this. I would suggest that his anti-EU stance was symptomatic of a type of racism which proffered English as being atop a hierarchy of nationalities, something that appears fairly evident in his most famous speech.

Dodd's action is meaningless because she would be better tackling the racists in her patch, nationalist and unionist, than attempting to make a political gesture. I should hardly think that any immigrant will now feel safe in their homes because she decided to snub a political figure remote from the racist actions on this island. Apologies for the North Down mistake.

[Myles Na G.]

'what question?

interesting who you're heros are (the ones "doing a better service for their country" but I suppose it depends on what you mean by "better service for their country") and you're "anti war". '

The questions would be the sentences with a question mark at the end.   Duck them if you want.
Police men and women are public servants. They don't wage war.

[pintsofguinness]

'what question?

interesting who you're heros are (the ones "doing a better service for their country" but I suppose it depends on what you mean by "better service for their country") and you're "anti war". '

The questions would be the sentences with a question mark at the end.   Duck them if you want.
Police men and women are public servants. They don't wage war.

You just keep saying what about this and that and I'm asking wht about them? What do you want me to answer?

The police men and women in the six counties are paramilitarties with the backing of the state.