Jackson's autopsy results revealed

[muppet]

I think Jacko was seriously messed up psychologically and was socially uncomfortable in the real world; in no small part to Papa Dollar Sign Joe who will probably have the Jackson 3 (Michaels Kids) on stage within 3 months!!!  I think it was wrong and totally unacceptable and inappropriate for him to share his bed with children who weren't his own. I do however have to wonder; if anything untoward was happening at neverland other than messed up grown man trying to rekindle a childhood he never had; why (a) would Jackson give an exclusive interview and openly admit to sharing his bed with children and (b) it sounds, and this in itself sounds totally wrong, but it sounds like he shared his bed with a lot a lot of kids yet only two familes (that we are aware of) brought charges / were paid off.  As I say to me the whole thing is wrong and has a total air of sleeze about, it I just don't get why he would admit to something that was going to totally indict himself with!

The problem is there are at least three viewpoints on his sharing a bed with children:

1) There is Michael Jackson's view which to my mind seems to mean they all went to sleep and what is the big deal.

2) There is a constituency who seem to think that 'sleeping with' = having sexual relations with.

3) Then there is the view of a judge. We never got to hear what a judge would make of it so he is as legally innocent as the rest of us.

[Derry Dolly]

firstly RIP jacko..we really have lost one of the greatest entertainers that ever lived. regardless of his desperate personal problems.
secondly, i dont think it was right at all that he was allowed to sleep beside children and have watever "inappropriate" relationships he had..however, i dont entirely blame him. there were ALOT of people around him that should have known better than to allow this to happen including minders,family and ESPECIALLY the families of the children involved!! come on,if it was one of your own u simply wudnt let it happen so why the hell did they allow their kids to share a bed (innocently or otherwise) with a grown, unrelated man?
also, in the case of the young boy that came forward in the 2003 documentary, his parents were surely aware of the jordan chandler case so how they allowed this to begin with is beyond me..that is why i believe there was no intentional mallicious behaviour on jacksons part..he paid the money to save himself the catastrophic amount of press he new he would get. the families who accepted the money?gold digging scum..put it this way,if jacko really had done anythin and it was my child..no amount of money would stop me draggin him through the court to ensure he was punished.

[Billys Boots]

3) Then there is the view of a judge. We never got to hear what a judge would make of it so he is as legally innocent as the rest of us.

There's also the possibility that he was advised by his lawyers and PR folk that he could do significant damage to his commercial viability etc. by even taking the stand (whether he was guilty or not) and that the 'payoff' was the least risky option.

[muppet]

3) Then there is the view of a judge. We never got to hear what a judge would make of it so he is as legally innocent as the rest of us.

There's also the possibility that he was advised by his lawyers and PR folk that he could do significant damage to his commercial viability etc. by even taking the stand (whether he was guilty or not) and that the 'payoff' was the least risky option.

Fair enough, but if my kid was abused the abuser wouldn't escape with a mere 'payoff'.

[longrunsthefox]

3) Then there is the view of a judge. We never got to hear what a judge would make of it so he is as legally innocent as the rest of us.

There's also the possibility that he was advised by his lawyers and PR folk that he could do significant damage to his commercial viability etc. by even taking the stand (whether he was guilty or not) and that the 'payoff' was the least risky option.

Fair enough, but if my kid was abused the abuser wouldn't escape with a mere 'payoff'.

$40 million and the American mindset? Also would have been aware and probably advised how difficult it would be to get conviction against such a rich and powerful person... ala OJ

[muppet]

3) Then there is the view of a judge. We never got to hear what a judge would make of it so he is as legally innocent as the rest of us.

There's also the possibility that he was advised by his lawyers and PR folk that he could do significant damage to his commercial viability etc. by even taking the stand (whether he was guilty or not) and that the 'payoff' was the least risky option.

Fair enough, but if my kid was abused the abuser wouldn't escape with a mere 'payoff'.

$40 million and the American mindset? Also would have been aware and probably advised how difficult it would be to get conviction against such a rich and powerful person... ala OJ

One conspiracy at a time please.

[longrunsthefox]

3) Then there is the view of a judge. We never got to hear what a judge would make of it so he is as legally innocent as the rest of us.

There's also the possibility that he was advised by his lawyers and PR folk that he could do significant damage to his commercial viability etc. by even taking the stand (whether he was guilty or not) and that the 'payoff' was the least risky option.

Fair enough, but if my kid was abused the abuser wouldn't escape with a mere 'payoff'.

$40 million and the American mindset? Also would have been aware and probably advised how difficult it would be to get conviction against such a rich and powerful person... ala OJ

One conspiracy at a time please.

Oh! OJ was innocent... nice one Muppet 

[stew]

My initial reaction when the accusations came out was simply that the guy is a nut job and that he probably slept with the kids because he saw himself as a kid, a peter pan type of figure. I did not know if I believed he did it or not and thought that if he stuck to his guns, denied all charges and got acquited that would be good enough for me, when the news of the settlement came out I lost all faith in Jacksons denials, no man that was innocent with his means would pay off false accusers, he obviously was guilty of something repugnant at that juncture and from that perspective I no longer believed what came out of his or his representatives mouth.

You've just said you changed your view as soon as you heard he had paid families.

Not exactly, my view has always been that if you say you are innocent yet pay some people off you are guilty, Jackson denied everything and I wanted to believe him right up to the point where it was confirmed that he did in fact pay two families off, even you must find it hard to believe that this guy paid them off knowing it would forever tarnish his legacy AND give credence to the paedophillia stigma. he slept in the same bed as children, allegations were made, he paid families off, what the fcuk more do some of you people need?

[heganboy]

if you say you are innocent yet pay some people off you are guilty

really- on what basis?

[Trevor Hill]

Stevie Wonder has just released a statement about Jackos death.

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[tyssam5]

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Wow fair play to Stevie, pulling no punches there, he knows Jackson was at it!

[Trevor Hill]

Adolf isn't happy. Didn't take him for a fan of Jacko.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8

[orangeman]

Here we go !!!!!!!!!!!



Jackson 'murdered' for money claims sister
Michael Jackson's sister La Toya believes the King of Pop was effectively 'murdered' for his money by a manipulative entourage, it was revealed today.

In interviews with Sunday newspapers, La Toya gave details about the 50-year-old singer's sudden death, drugs found in his body and a stash of cash and jewels that she claims have gone missing.

She told the News of the World: 'We don't think just one person was involved in the murder. It was a conspiracy to get Michael's money.'

AdvertisementLa Toya accused a 'shadowy' group of hangers-on of cutting him off from his family and friends and forcing him to sign up for 50 concerts at London's O2 arena.

They also fed him drugs and saw him as a 'cash cow', she claimed.

'Michael was worth more than a billion dollars. When anyone is worth that much money, there are always greedy people around them.'

'I believe Michael was murdered, I felt that from the start,' she added.

Jackson was the 'loneliest man in the world' with no real friends and isolated from his family at the time of his death - less than 12 hours after completing a rehearsal for his tour, she said.

La Toya claimed her brother had only wanted to do 10 shows in London but that the people around him did not care about him and were only interested in his money, and forced him to agree to do 50 shows.

She pledged the family would file a civil lawsuit against anyone they believed responsible and push for police to bring criminal charges

[gerry]

atleast thats it all sorted


Jackson 'had lethal drug levels'

Michael Jackson was being treated for insomnia, court documents show

Pop star Michael Jackson had lethal levels of the powerful anaesthetic propofol in his body when he died, coroner's office documents show.

The findings were contained in a previously sealed search warrant which has been made public in Texas.

The singer died in June from a cardiac arrest at his home in Los Angeles. Police have interviewed his doctor, but he has not been named as a suspect.

There are reports that the coroner has concluded Jackson's death was homicide.

The reports, carried by the Associated Press news agency quoting unnamed police sources, have not been confirmed.

But the BBC's Rajesh Mirchandani in Los Angeles says homicide includes manslaughter, and investigators have been trying to establish if there is a case for that charge.

   
PROPOFOL
A powerful anaesthetic usually used before and during surgery
Can also be used in small doses to reduce stress or anxiety
Produced as a white, opaque fluid and administered intravenously
Marketed under the trade name Diprivan

Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, has denied any wrongdoing.

Details of the Los Angeles County coroners' findings were revealed when a search warrant affidavit was made public in Houston, Texas, where Dr Murray has offices.

Dr Murray's offices were raided last month as part of the police investigation into the singer's death.

The coroner's office has not published its findings regarding the singer's death.

Addiction fears

According to the affidavit, the LA chief coroner "had reviewed the preliminary toxicology results and his preliminary assessment of Jackson's cause of death was due to lethal levels of propofol".

The documents go on to say that Dr Murray told police he had been giving Jackson propofol as part of his treatment for insomnia.

But, he said he had been concerned Jackson was becoming addicted to the drug and had been trying to wean him off, using alternative drugs.

But, on the morning of the singer's death, Dr Murray is reported to have relented and given Jackson a lower dosage of propofol after a number of other drugs had not worked.

He left the star alone to make some telephone calls and when he returned Jackson was not breathing, the LA Times reports.

Dr Murray is known to have performed CPR on his patient while the paramedics were called, but Jackson was declared dead when he arrived at hospital.


Dr Conrad Murray was Michael Jackson's personal physician

Bottles of propofol found in Jackson's house show it had been prescribed by several doctors, not just Conrad Murray, but he remains at the centre of the inquiry, our correspondent adds.

Earlier this month, Dr Murray - who was employed as Michael Jackson's personal physician for a series of concerts in London scheduled for July - posted a video message of YouTube to thank his supporters.

"I told the truth and I have faith the truth will prevail," he said in the short one-minute clip.






http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8219362.stm

[Minder]

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