Jackson's autopsy results revealed

[ONeill]

I wouldnt listen to his music for love nor money, he sickened me the second I heard he had paid families off.

Thank God the Birmingham 6 didn't ask you to fight their corner if you take everything at face value.

[Main Street]

Always a sign of a desperate tactic,  invoking the Birmingham 6 case.

The Birmingham 6 case is an example of why we (the public) do not have to accept Court judgements  or legal procedural  absolvements as gospel definitions of right and wrong, that we can appraise evidence and circumstance on their merits and come to another conclusion.

[muppet]

Always a sign of a desperate tactic,  invoking the Birmingham 6 case.

The Birmingham 6 case is an example of why we (the public) do not have to accept Court judgements  or legal procedural  absolvements as gospel definitions of right and wrong, that we can appraise evidence and circumstance on their merits and come to another conclusion.

Always a sign of a desperate tactic saying 'always a sign of a desperate tactic'.

[ONeill]

Always a sign of a desperate tactic,  invoking the Birmingham 6 case.

The Birmingham 6 case is an example of why we (the public) do not have to accept Court judgements  or legal procedural  absolvements as gospel definitions of right and wrong, that we can appraise evidence and circumstance on their merits and come to another conclusion.

I think that's an example of using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

I used it to show how Stew's statement that the 'second I heard'  isn't an ideal way to judge anything, especially when it comes to high profile protagonists.

[stew]

I wouldnt listen to his music for love nor money, he sickened me the second I heard he had paid families off.

Thank God the Birmingham 6 didn't ask you to fight their corner if you take everything at face value.

Shane, he admitted to sleeping with children, that is a fact, he paid of two families and that is also a fact. An innocent man in his situation would have fought that charge tooth and nail, he chose to pay off those families and this helped get him acquited, that too is a fact.

[Main Street]

I think that's an example of using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

I used it to show how Stew's statement that the 'second I heard'  isn't an ideal way to judge anything, especially when it comes to high profile protagonists.

Read Stews explanation and don't be play acting the gobshite (which you do very well), in a case as serious as this.
Stew is entitled to his viewpoint according to his appraisal of all the facts, not just one fact
According to Stew, the paying off was the last straw.
Meaning he had left some room for doubt, an open mind until he heard that news.

[muppet]

I wouldnt listen to his music for love nor money, he sickened me the second I heard he had paid families off.

Thank God the Birmingham 6 didn't ask you to fight their corner if you take everything at face value.

Shane, he admitted to sleeping with children, that is a fact, he paid of two families and that is also a fact. An innocent man in his situation would have fought that charge tooth and nail, he chose to pay off those families and this helped get him acquited, that too is a fact.

It is difficult to commit crimes while asleep, that is a fact. He spent a fortune on nonsense, that is a fact. Your post and opinion is entirely circumstantial, that too is a fact.

[ONeill]

According to Stew, the paying off was the last straw.
Meaning he had left some room for doubt, an open mind until he heard that news.

Tremendous mind-reading capabilities from across the Atlantic. I've argued with Stew long enough to understand he's a man of great impulse!

[stew]

According to Stew, the paying off was the last straw.
Meaning he had left some room for doubt, an open mind until he heard that news.

Tremendous mind-reading capabilities from across the Atlantic. I've argued with Stew long enough to understand he's a man of great impulse!

Ballix Shane.

I did not want Jackson to be guilty of what he was accused of, I was hoping the charges were false, his lawyers denied everything right up to the point were they bought off two families, the lawyers were interviewed and admitted that yes they had reached a settlement with said families for undisclosed amounts of money.

I hoped he was innocent but looking at it logically Shane, the man admitted to sleeping with children, was accused of child abuse and subsequently bought off two families. To me that proved he was guilty regardless of wether or not he was found guilty in a court of law.

My initial reaction when the accusations came out was simply that the guy is a nut job and that he probably slept with the kids because he saw himself as a kid, a peter pan type of figure. I did not know if I believed he did it or not and thought that if he stuck to his guns, denied all charges and got acquited that would be good enough for me, when the news of the settlement came out I lost all faith in Jacksons denials, no man that was innocent with his means would pay off false accusers, he obviously was guilty of something repugnant at that juncture and from that perspective I no longer believed what came out of his or his representatives mouth.

I think he will be remembered as a musical genius but also there will always be the shadow of the inappropriate conduct with children, as for me, I will remember him as a very sick human being, one who had fame thrust upon him from no age and one who decided to act on learned behaviours that harmed some of the children in the way he was harmed. His family have a lot to answer for.

[stew]

I wouldnt listen to his music for love nor money, he sickened me the second I heard he had paid families off.

Thank God the Birmingham 6 didn't ask you to fight their corner if you take everything at face value.

Shane, did Jackson pay off the families or not? if so he is guilty, if not he is innocent. Put yourself in that position, if you were falsely accused of say having child pornography and had the means to fight the charges tooth and nail, would you settle to avoid going to jail or would you fight the charges with everything you had. My guess is you would fight until you dropped, so would I, Jacksons lawyers bought his freedom, end of.

[stew]

but do you not think stew, that the families would have got justice and way more Compo had they went through with the trial?  

plenty of rich guys out there put in jail every week, cant use money as a reason all the time, most people don't 'get away with murder'

you me and the rest will never know the truth. what would your views be if one of these kids came on and said nothing happened? 'my parents made me go to his house and they made me lie just so we could get money'

It is not just that, he admitted to sleeping with children many times, it is more than one or two isolated incidents.

Oj got away with murder did he not? he lost a civil suit that cost him plenty is now resides in a maximum security prison after screwing up yet again. 

At some point the country has got to hold these icons as accountable as the rest of the citizenry. Just this last month an NFL player bought off a family after he drove drunk and killed a poor guy crossing the road, he got an unbelievably light sentence.

Why would any family want their child to go into court and have the worlds media bear down on them as they get ready to accuse one of the most famous men on the planet of child molestation? that is incentive enough to take the money and run I suppose, doesnt make it right.

[ONeill]

My initial reaction when the accusations came out was simply that the guy is a nut job and that he probably slept with the kids because he saw himself as a kid, a peter pan type of figure. I did not know if I believed he did it or not and thought that if he stuck to his guns, denied all charges and got acquited that would be good enough for me, when the news of the settlement came out I lost all faith in Jacksons denials, no man that was innocent with his means would pay off false accusers, he obviously was guilty of something repugnant at that juncture and from that perspective I no longer believed what came out of his or his representatives mouth.

You've just said you changed your view as soon as you heard he had paid families.

[longrunsthefox]

In life the man paid off two families who claimed Jackson had molested their sons. I for one wont be lamenting his loss.

The revered Al Sharpton, the mouthy preacher someone liked earlier is nothing but a hypocritical slabber, worse than Jesse Jackson, they both show up wherever the is a bit of publicity to be found.

Only in American can you be acquitted by buying off the families of the children who suffered at a paedo's hands. In this country it seems that if you have money you can buy your way out of anything. Shame.

I wonder if any of the Mods will have anything to say about this comment...

There seems to be an ignorance on board on what constitutes libel. Mod earlier warned of 'libelous' remarks about Jackson. DEAD MEN CANNOT SUE -ie: be libelled.  While it might seem cowardly or distasteful (to some) it ain't libellous.

Check out remarks by Peter King from American press and websites...

"A New York congressman says Michael Jackson was a "pervert" and calls on society to stop "glorifying" the late entertainer in a YouTube video.
Rep. Peter King said Jackson -- whom he called a "low-life" -- is being glorified in the days after his death while society ignores the efforts, of teachers, police officers, firefighters and veterans. In the two-minute video, King claims the "day in and day out" coverage of Jackson's death is "too politically correct."
"Let's knock out the psychobabble," King said in the video taped outside an American Legion Hall on New York's Long Island. "He was a pervert, a child molester; he was a pedophile. And to be giving this much coverage to him, day in and day out, what does it say about us as a country? I just think we're too politically correct."
King, a Republican who is among the possible contenders for the seat held by Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, said Jackson "may have been a good singer" and "did some dancing," but blasted the singer as someone who could not be trusted around children.
"There's nothing good to say about this guy," King continued. "But the bottom line is, would you let your child or grandchild be in the same room as Michael Jackson?"   

So if you posted the same about oh say St Patrick you reckon no one should have a problem because technically he died and can't sue?

No-is a matter of opinion if people think it is ok or not. What i'm saying it is not libellous as some here seem to think. Personally I see nothing wrong with remarks about Jackson -as for St Patrick (incredible example by the way!) ..was there not something about sheep? 

[tyssam5]

When watching Michael Jackson's coffin being pushed away by the Jackson Brothers, was anybody else reminded of those two words...

Cool Runnings.

[jimbo]

I think Jacko was seriously messed up psychologically and was socially uncomfortable in the real world; in no small part to Papa Dollar Sign Joe who will probably have the Jackson 3 (Michaels Kids) on stage within 3 months!!!  I think it was wrong and totally unacceptable and inappropriate for him to share his bed with children who weren't his own. I do however have to wonder; if anything untoward was happening at neverland other than messed up grown man trying to rekindle a childhood he never had; why (a) would Jackson give an exclusive interview and openly admit to sharing his bed with children and (b) it sounds, and this in itself sounds totally wrong, but it sounds like he shared his bed with a lot a lot of kids yet only two familes (that we are aware of) brought charges / were paid off.  As I say to me the whole thing is wrong and has a total air of sleeze about, it I just don't get why he would admit to something that was going to totally indict himself with!