Clerical abuse!

Started by D4S, May 20, 2009, 05:09:14 PM

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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

The State
The Church
Split 50/50

johnneycool

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on February 24, 2013, 11:33:25 PM
Cardinal Keith O'Brien

He has resigned

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21572724

QuoteBritain's most senior Roman Catholic cleric, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, is stepping down as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh.


The cardinal was named Bigot of the Year last year by gay rights charity Stonewall for his stance on gay marriage.

very much a case of the boy 'doth protest too much' there if there ever was one.

Milltown Row2

Just mental, 4 priests??? WTF

So what is the offence? Is he just gay and had sex with other gay priests or did he abuse them?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Itchy

Doesn't read like a crime (assuming the allegations are true) rather that he is gay. All he is likely guilty off is being a hypocrite.

Main Street

Well it's 30 years ago, he might well have been 'cured' and moved on with his life or just managed to control his sexual preferences in a more discerning fashion.
But I doubt it, seeing as he shows all the classic signs of a repressed inhabitant of the closet, the belligerent homophobe.

Milltown Row2

Kiss my ring has a new meaning now!!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

cadence

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2013, 11:10:36 PM
Kiss my ring has a new meaning now!!

they really need to learn how to take things in proportion the catholic church, it's just an inappropriate relationship with a clerical member... what's wrong with that?   


 

cadence

Quote from: Main Street on February 25, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
Well it's 30 years ago, he might well have been 'cured' and moved on with his life or just managed to control his sexual preferences in a more discerning fashion.
But I doubt it, seeing as he shows all the classic signs of a repressed inhabitant of the closet, the belligerent homophobe.

internalised homophobia. never a pretty sight.

Tubberman

Quote from: Main Street on February 25, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
Well it's 30 years ago, he might well have been 'cured' and moved on with his life or just managed to control his sexual preferences in a more discerning fashion.
But I doubt it, seeing as he shows all the classic signs of a repressed inhabitant of the closet, the belligerent homophobe.


Cured of what??
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

cadence

Quote from: Tubberman on February 26, 2013, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 25, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
Well it's 30 years ago, he might well have been 'cured' and moved on with his life or just managed to control his sexual preferences in a more discerning fashion.
But I doubt it, seeing as he shows all the classic signs of a repressed inhabitant of the closet, the belligerent homophobe.


Cured of what??

indeed.
old school psychiatry used to consider homosexuality a mental disorder and curable...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology

a belief that was latched onto recently by the religious right, "pray away the gay"...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/19/psychiatrist-admits-gay-cure-study-flawed

of course, you have to believe that homosexuality is a negative thing in the first place, then make a daft assumption that it is a mental disorder and another daft assumption that it can be cured, and thereafter another daft assumption that you have evidence to prove your cure.

the psychiatrists involved supporting this were the ones who needed sectioning. the mental distress of gay people brought up in homophobic communities needs to be seen in light of the oppression they experience. soe psychiatrists are totally clueless and blind to the social factors of mental illness.   


johnneycool

Quote from: Itchy on February 25, 2013, 10:45:25 PM
Doesn't read like a crime (assuming the allegations are true) rather that he is gay. All he is likely guilty off is being a hypocrite.

Surely there's the odd sin in there as well, which would be more offensive to the church itself.

How many hail marys would he need to say to get out of this one with the big man?

mylestheslasher

Oh dear, it continues to roll and roll. At least they know there are still enough ejits willing to fund their rotten church - even in a recession!

theskull1

Blindingly obvious that the blind cannot see that they are slavishly dependent on the institution rather than the god.

It's a lot easier to sing karaoke than to sing opera

Tony Baloney

Quote from: johnneycool on February 26, 2013, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 25, 2013, 10:45:25 PM
Doesn't read like a crime (assuming the allegations are true) rather that he is gay. All he is likely guilty off is being a hypocrite.

Surely there's the odd sin in there as well, which would be more offensive to the church itself.

How many hail marys would he need to say to get out of this one with the big man?
A few quid in the plate should cover it. Keep the receipt for the gates!

dec

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21649475

Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the former leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, has admitted his sexual conduct has at times "fallen beneath the standards expected of me".
He apologised and asked forgiveness from those he had "offended".
In a statement, he also apologised to the Church and the people of Scotland.

The cardinal resigned last Monday after three priests and a former priest had made allegations of improper behaviour against him dating back to the 80s.
Cardinal O'Brien was Britain's most senior Roman Catholic cleric until he stood down as the Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh.

In announcing his resignation, he also said he would not take part in the election for a successor to Pope Benedict XVI, known as the conclave.
Sunday's further statement, issued through the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, read: "In recent days, certain allegations which have been made against me have become public. Initially, their anonymous and non-specific nature led me to contest them.
"However, I wish to take this opportunity to admit that there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal.
"To those I have offended, I apologise and ask forgiveness. To the Catholic Church and people of Scotland, I also apologise.
"I will now spend the rest of my life in retirement. I will play no further part in the public life of the Catholic Church in Scotland."

Orior

I could argue that Cardinal O'Brien's statement should not be posted in a thread about clerical abuse.
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians