Tyrone Club Football and Hurling

[Onthe40]

wouldn't rule out end of may
they don't seem to be the most talented group bar a few exceptions, but they essentially outworked and out muscled Derry & Donegal in both 2nd halves of the last 2 games
that desire will take beating

I only saw 2nd half, Roarty didn't appear to do much..i thought at times in last 10-15 mins when he could've got on ball he looked rather passive?

[GlenMan]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

[thebigfullforward]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Don't blame them. Last year Loughmacrory for example they had McElholm and McCullagh on the U20s. 2 huge losses for them

[O’neill Army]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Tyrone are aiming to win a 4th all Ireland title in the last 5 years at u20 level and there's some Tyrone folk complaining because it results in the acl being delayed a few weeks. Most counties would kill to be in that situation.

[square_ball]

Or alternatively you can just get on with club football at the same time as trying to win an u20 all ireland?

[RedHand88]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

I'd say about 5-10 years ago.
The likes of Donaghmore, Loughmacrory etc have been very reliant on U20s in the last few years.
My own club have at least a few that are regular starters (albeit not county).
Senior teams are younger than they used to be.

[Sean Og Patriots]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Tyrone are aiming to win a 4th all Ireland title in the last 5 years at u20 level and there's some Tyrone folk complaining because it results in the acl being delayed a few weeks. Most counties would kill to be in that situation.

Blame the county board - the club players are now against u20s winning which is the truth. Its not ideal but that's the way its turned out. The club players should be giving priority in this scenario...

[GlenMan]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Tyrone are aiming to win a 4th all Ireland title in the last 5 years at u20 level and there's some Tyrone folk complaining because it results in the acl being delayed a few weeks. Most counties would kill to be in that situation.

Blame the county board - the club players are now against u20s winning which is the truth. Its not ideal but that's the way its turned out. The club players should be giving priority in this scenario...

But the u20 players are club players?

And clubs have been totally against playing without their u20 players.

Would it be prioritising club players to force them to play ACL games without their best players for 4/5 rounds, increasing likelihood of relegation/missing out on promotion?

[Sean Og Patriots]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Tyrone are aiming to win a 4th all Ireland title in the last 5 years at u20 level and there's some Tyrone folk complaining because it results in the acl being delayed a few weeks. Most counties would kill to be in that situation.

Blame the county board - the club players are now against u20s winning which is the truth. Its not ideal but that's the way its turned out. The club players should be giving priority in this scenario...

But the u20 players are club players?

And clubs have been totally against playing without their u20 players.

Would it be prioritising club players to force them to play ACL games without their best players for 4/5 rounds, increasing likelihood of relegation/missing out on promotion?

Teams are already doing that which is what the starred games mean incase you didn't realise.
Some teams have county players and agree to play on without them even with the fixtures being played against teams with 0 county players, all being held up because some teams have a few 20s and 0 senior players, if u20s are the teams "best players" then they have no hope of surviving anyhow. Just something to cry over.

[thebigfullforward]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Tyrone are aiming to win a 4th all Ireland title in the last 5 years at u20 level and there's some Tyrone folk complaining because it results in the acl being delayed a few weeks. Most counties would kill to be in that situation.

Blame the county board - the club players are now against u20s winning which is the truth. Its not ideal but that's the way its turned out. The club players should be giving priority in this scenario...

But the u20 players are club players?

And clubs have been totally against playing without their u20 players.

Would it be prioritising club players to force them to play ACL games without their best players for 4/5 rounds, increasing likelihood of relegation/missing out on promotion?

Teams are already doing that which is what the starred games mean incase you didn't realise.
Some teams have county players and agree to play on without them even with the fixtures being played against teams with 0 county players, all being held up because some teams have a few 20s and 0 senior players, if u20s are the teams "best players" then they have no hope of surviving anyhow. Just something to cry over.

Would you not say McElholm and McCullagh were at least 2 of the top 4 best players for Loughmacrory last year?

[RedHand88]

Will the leagues be put back now that the 20s won again or anyone know start date?

If they don't win next Wednesday night the leagues start on Friday 8th May.
If they win it is postponed to 15th May, depending on how the All Ireland Semi Final goes.

Pile of shite, since when did 19/20 year olds become a factor in the result of senior club games. Club games will run off when 20s finish one game a week for 6/7 weeks, then it will be 3 games a week, followed by 5/6 teams missing their best players for championship due to injury (caused in the matches 3/4 weeks from championship).

Blame the clubs, they refuse to play without their u20 players.

Going by our U20 form the last few years, you'd almost need to integrate them into the starred system or have a seperate way to manage Clubs with multiple players at that level to allow ACL to proceed earlier.

Tyrone are aiming to win a 4th all Ireland title in the last 5 years at u20 level and there's some Tyrone folk complaining because it results in the acl being delayed a few weeks. Most counties would kill to be in that situation.

Blame the county board - the club players are now against u20s winning which is the truth. Its not ideal but that's the way its turned out. The club players should be giving priority in this scenario...

But the u20 players are club players?

And clubs have been totally against playing without their u20 players.

Would it be prioritising club players to force them to play ACL games without their best players for 4/5 rounds, increasing likelihood of relegation/missing out on promotion?

Teams are already doing that which is what the starred games mean incase you didn't realise.
Some teams have county players and agree to play on without them even with the fixtures being played against teams with 0 county players, all being held up because some teams have a few 20s and 0 senior players, if u20s are the teams "best players" then they have no hope of surviving anyhow. Just something to cry over.

Why? Do you think every senior team is just 28 year olds? Didn't the Lough win the championship with kids?

[2ndstringsub]

What are the county board playing at..

Reserve fixtures cancelled now until the league starts we had a bus booked at the beginning of the week to travel the length of the county for our reserve players.

Then we are expected to re-organise all those same bits if the u-20s are beat tonight.

Weathers good ground firming up and lads eager to get out and play and they pull the pin because someone who likely wont attend or be participating with reserves has decided so.

Don't worry though there will be plenty of football come august when teams are expected to play 3 games in 9 days etc. as done in years previous.

I thought the idea of getting reserves underway was to fill out squads come latter end of the year, but decisions like this show its just another flash in the pan half thought out idea.

The lack of common sense in Garvaghy is nothing short of astonishing.

[thewobbler]

From the outside looking in, Garvaghy isn't the problem here.

I would see it as a case of the clubs sacking the fire brigade, setting their senior football leagues on fire, then pointing the finger of blame at any firemen who actually try to help.

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If clubs are unwilling to play club league football without u20 players, there is no solution available. None.

[2ndstringsub]

From the outside looking in, Garvaghy isn't the problem here.

I would see it as a case of the clubs sacking the fire brigade, setting their senior football leagues on fire, then pointing the finger of blame at any firemen who actually try to help.

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If clubs are unwilling to play club league football without u20 players, there is no solution available. None.

We have already started reserve leagues. I have no issue with not playing senior football until the 20's are done as I understand smaller clubs are at a greater risk when their players are on these panels.

I understand its the outside looking in so ill explain. for the past few years we have played off a few reserve fixtures before the senior league starts usually rounds 16-13 or something to that effect. after this fixtures are played out 1-16 with both groups of players having their 6:45 and 8:00 throw ins respectively. This means that come the end of the year you have a full panel to choose from for senior rounds 13-16 reserves included.

In my opinion this had been a good idea with the odd team having the misfortune of travelling a long distance away twice in the season. But thats luck of the draw.

I've just had a look at the Tyrone leagues across all divisions and the only team to concede over the first 2 weeks was Moy GAC. I also have it on authority from a Clonoe player that they played a friendly against Clonoe just 2 days before they were due to welcome Derryloughan to Magee Park.

If anyone is able to say that one club namely Moy in this case is holding the county board to ransom we are all well and truly fucked.

[ClubScene13]

Does it sound like going every Friday night once the Under 20's campaign is over? Or would you be looking at week on week off sort of scenario for a while trying to stall it a bit until Senior campaign ends?