Question about the Hunger Strikers

[glens abu]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

what a stupid statement how would anyone know that,the only people who can come close to answering that are thier comrades and fellow hunger strikers,most support the direction Sinn Fein took but a  few disagree.

[Hound]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

Well according to the article, the general consensus is the fact that SF renounced violence and went the political way meant that it was worth it. But one of the hunger strikers took the opposing view that McGuinness and Adams were scumbags who sold them out and for him the war will never end (or not end until there is a 32 county Ireland).

Speaking of which I heard Eamon O'Cuiv on the radio during the week - I think he was basically saying that if we agreed that a 32 county Ireland would join the Commonwealth, then a 32 county Ireland would be much more likely to become a reality. A bit of give, a bit of take. Seemed to make sense.   

[carribbear]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

Well according to the article, the general consensus is the fact that SF renounced violence and went the political way meant that it was worth it. But one of the hunger strikers took the opposing view that McGuinness and Adams were scumbags who sold them out and for him the war will never end (or not end until there is a 32 county Ireland).

Speaking of which I heard Eamon O'Cuiv on the radio during the week - I think he was basically saying that if we agreed that a 32 county Ireland would join the Commonwealth, then a 32 county Ireland would be much more likely to become a reality. A bit of give, a bit of take. Seemed to make sense.   

Join the commonwealth? So what does that entail?

[Zapatista]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

Well according to the article, the general consensus is the fact that SF renounced violence and went the political way meant that it was worth it. But one of the hunger strikers took the opposing view that McGuinness and Adams were scumbags who sold them out and for him the war will never end (or not end until there is a 32 county Ireland).

Speaking of which I heard Eamon O'Cuiv on the radio during the week - I think he was basically saying that if we agreed that a 32 county Ireland would join the Commonwealth, then a 32 county Ireland would be much more likely to become a reality. A bit of give, a bit of take. Seemed to make sense.   

FG have been saying that for years. It's not the only theory either. If the republic joined the Union and ceased to be a republic a 32 county would become a reality too.


For me that's a token nationalism for a people who do not want anything to do with the Commonwealth and flys in the face of what Republicanism is.

[lynchbhoy]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

Well according to the article, the general consensus is the fact that SF renounced violence and went the political way meant that it was worth it. But one of the hunger strikers took the opposing view that McGuinness and Adams were scumbags who sold them out and for him the war will never end (or not end until there is a 32 county Ireland).

Speaking of which I heard Eamon O'Cuiv on the radio during the week - I think he was basically saying that if we agreed that a 32 county Ireland would join the Commonwealth, then a 32 county Ireland would be much more likely to become a reality. A bit of give, a bit of take. Seemed to make sense.   

have heard from relatives from more than a few or the hunger strikers families that the family consensus was that they are happy with how the quality of life has improved no end in the north of Ireland and that they are pleased with how its gone.
Its not all down to sf, but have to say they did contribute towards this also. sdlp didnt properly represent most of the people and the people have spoken and sdlp are on theri last legs

[Aaron Boone]

I mind when Tom McElwee & Mick Devine died that it was way down on the news bulletins. The guys who could have been 11th/12th/13th to die , and their families, must have thought was it worth it by then.

[Hound]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

Well according to the article, the general consensus is the fact that SF renounced violence and went the political way meant that it was worth it. But one of the hunger strikers took the opposing view that McGuinness and Adams were scumbags who sold them out and for him the war will never end (or not end until there is a 32 county Ireland).

Speaking of which I heard Eamon O'Cuiv on the radio during the week - I think he was basically saying that if we agreed that a 32 county Ireland would join the Commonwealth, then a 32 county Ireland would be much more likely to become a reality. A bit of give, a bit of take. Seemed to make sense.   

FG have been saying that for years. It's not the only theory either. If the republic joined the Union and ceased to be a republic a 32 county would become a reality too.


For me that's a token nationalism for a people who do not want anything to do with the Commonwealth and flys in the face of what Republicanism is.

What about give and take?

Is a mantra more important than a 32 county Ireland?

Being part of the commonwealth doesn't seem to negatively impact on Australia, New Zealand or Canada. If that's what it took , it'd be a very small price in my view.

[Bud Wiser]

One of the hunger strikers had won an All-Ireland Hurling medal and as far as I can remember was casptain for his county on the day.

[Oraisteach]

Kevin Lynch U-16 DIII  -  Must have played against him since I was on the Armagh team that beat Derry the year before.

[carribbear]

Kevin Lynch U-16 DIII  -  Must have played against him since I was on the Armagh team that beat Derry the year before.

Id seen this picture before

[Zapatista]

What about give and take?

Is a mantra more important than a 32 county Ireland?

Being part of the commonwealth doesn't seem to negatively impact on Australia, New Zealand or Canada. If that's what it took , it'd be a very small price in my view.

I'm all for give and take. That's what Republicanism is. I think we are just starting from different places though.

32 county Ireland is a mantra if you will accept it in any form, such as in a common wealth or a Union.

The fact that the common wealth doesn't impact negatively on these countries is irrelevant. My point is that a united Irish Republic is not a compromise it is just in itself. If a United Irish Republic decided to join the commonwealth I wouldn't have much room to complain but joining the CW should not be a precondition and a UI for that reason would be based on the lowest common mantra of nationalism. 

[Minder]

Anyone able to post the article from the Sunday Times today? "IRA said "no" to hunger strike deal".............

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

What has that got to do with anything?

Gerard Hodgins who was a hunger striker said in that article "the struggle didnt produce the results we had hoped for but the leadership ended up all right".

[Donagh]

Anyone able to post the article from the Sunday Times today? "IRA said "no" to hunger strike deal".............

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

What has that got to do with anything?

Gerard Hodgins who was a hunger striker said in that article "the struggle didnt produce the results we had hoped for but the leadership ended up all right".

"There was absolutely no change in the government's position."

http://www.bobbysandstrust.com/archives/1069

[Tony Baloney]

I wonder when they look at where Sinn Fein ended up would they think it was worth it.

Well according to the article, the general consensus is the fact that SF renounced violence and went the political way meant that it was worth it. But one of the hunger strikers took the opposing view that McGuinness and Adams were scumbags who sold them out and for him the war will never end (or not end until there is a 32 county Ireland).

Speaking of which I heard Eamon O'Cuiv on the radio during the week - I think he was basically saying that if we agreed that a 32 county Ireland would join the Commonwealth, then a 32 county Ireland would be much more likely to become a reality. A bit of give, a bit of take. Seemed to make sense.   

have heard from relatives from more than a few or the hunger strikers families that the family consensus was that they are happy with how the quality of life has improved no end in the north of Ireland and that they are pleased with how its gone.
Its not all down to sf, but have to say they did contribute towards this also. sdlp didnt properly represent most of the people and the people have spoken and sdlp are on theri last legs

The quality of life is better in pretty much every western society than it was 25-30 years ago so I don't know what this point means.

[Main Street]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6036723.ece

The ET article is written as if it is stating documented fact.
Oldest trick in the book.
Why do you think there no attempt to balance out the slant of the article with printing the quoted words of Bik McFarlane?