Floyd Landis confesses to doping and implicates Lance Armstrong

[the_cynic]

I'm a big fan of lance armstrong, I've read both his books and respect the man for what he has done but the latest story from landis doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It would be foolish and naive for anyone to say that he could stand out the way he did in such a drug ridden sport, without taking anything himself. However, the fact that they were (and still are no doubt) all still at it, means that they're all on a level playing field and Lance's acheivements still rank pretty high on the grand scheme of things. Its kina like havin a race where everyone false starts, the best will still be the best, if you get catch my logic?? Anyway its a farcical sport as far as im concerned, I'd rather watch a snooker final with peter ebdon and graham dott in it, and thats saying something.

[J70]

While Americans certainly are apathetic towards doping, along with the cancer fight a lot of the regard for Armstrong comes from the fact that he dominated the Europeans and won the great Tour de France so many times, despite the insinuations of the French and wider European media about his probable drug use. They don't give a f**k if he used dope. They only care that he was better at it than the "Euroweenies". They give even less of a f**k about the sport of cycling!

[haranguerer]

Jesus I'd hate to have some of you preachers on any jury of my peers if I was ever up for trial. No one has provided any evidence thus far, just conjecture.

Armstrong is physiologically a beast, he has run a sub-3 hour marathon with a stress fracture to his chin, he may or may not have used drugs but to fight and beat cancer the way he did to dominate a sport like he did (it was a level playing field drugs or no drugs i.e if he was on drugs then they all were), he's still a man that is an inspiration to 1000s of cancer sufferers.

Lance Armstrong guilty until proven innocent...

If half this board had the same resources Nike gave Armstrong for his marathon attempts, they'd all be sub 3hrs.

Check out how he got on in his first attempt! 

[Capt Pat]

Lads Lance Armstrong is obviously a drug cheat and the fact that all the other top pros cheat simply means that Armstrong takes better drugs to help him win.

The fact that this sports cheat also promotes a cancer charity and was virtually worshipped by some people at one stage as an almost god like figure is even more sickening.

[AbbeySider]

Good article

[stew]

Lads Lance Armstrong is obviously a drug cheat and the fact that all the other top pros cheat simply means that Armstrong takes better drugs to help him win.

The fact that this sports cheat also promotes a cancer charity and was virtually worshipped by some people at one stage as an almost god like figure is even more sickening.

Right you are, the Birmingham six were  obviously guilty, the man might well have been dirty, he might well have been clean but until they produce a positive test on this guy he is innocent, end of.

[no mo do yakamo]

Did they ever get a positive drugs test on Michelle Smith?

[tyssam5]

Did they ever get a positive drugs test on Michelle Smith?

No they only proved she pishes John Jameson. 12 year I believe.

[INDIANA]

Lads Lance Armstrong is obviously a drug cheat and the fact that all the other top pros cheat simply means that Armstrong takes better drugs to help him win.

The fact that this sports cheat also promotes a cancer charity and was virtually worshipped by some people at one stage as an almost god like figure is even more sickening.

Right you are, the Birmingham six were  obviously guilty, the man might well have been dirty, he might well have been clean but until they produce a positive test on this guy he is innocent, end of.

Yep every other member of the that US cycling team he rode for were all druggies except him .

[stew]

Lads Lance Armstrong is obviously a drug cheat and the fact that all the other top pros cheat simply means that Armstrong takes better drugs to help him win.

The fact that this sports cheat also promotes a cancer charity and was virtually worshipped by some people at one stage as an almost god like figure is even more sickening.

Right you are, the Birmingham six were  obviously guilty, the man might well have been dirty, he might well have been clean but until they produce a positive test on this guy he is innocent, end of.

Yep every other member of the that US cycling team he rode for were all druggies except him .

What part of Lance Armstrong has never tested positive for performance enhancing drugs dont you get???

Prove him guilty before condemning him, I think he might well be but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt based on the fact he has never tested positive.

[ludermor]

But its not strictly true to say he has never tested positive

[muppet]

Did they ever get a positive drugs test on Michelle Smith?

Androstenedione

The above article doesn't refer to Smith, just the drug it was alleged she had used.

[HowAreYeGettinOn]

  - from The Onion... (http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation-something-but,17973/)

Lance Armstrong Wants To Tell Nation Something But Nation Has To Promise Not To Get Mad

August 27, 2010 | ISSUE 46•34

01.29.09 DALLAS—Saying that it would probably be best if everyone sat down for this, seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong informed the U.S. populace Thursday that he wanted to tell it something, but that the nation first had to promise it wouldn't get angry once he did.
"Look, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It's bad," Armstrong said during the nationally televised press conference. "But you have to swear to God that you won't get mad when I tell you, because if you get upset and yell about how you're really disappointed I'm just going to walk out of here."
"Okay?" Armstrong continued. "You guys promise?"
Armstrong then took a deep breath, massaged his forehead, murmured "Oh boy, here we go," and appeared for several moments to be on the verge of telling the nation his news. He seemed to lose his focus, however, commenting that it wasn't as if anything he was about to say would diminish the fact that he beat cancer or that his foundation has donated more than $250 million to cancer research.
In addition, Armstrong said the American people had to promise that, following his announcement, they would resist the urge to remove their Livestrong bracelets and throw them away or burn them.
"Okay, there's no easy way to put this, but, well, you guys know how I won a record seven consecutive Tours de France between 1999 and 2005?" said Armstrong, who took a sip of water as his hand visibly shook. "Well, this has to do with that. It also has to do with this impending federal investigation of my cycling team. What it absolutely does not have anything to do with is the fact that I am an inspiration to cancer sufferers worldwide—cancer sufferers who could potentially experience serious physical and emotional setbacks if you break your promise and get mad at me."
Throughout the preamble to his announcement, onlookers reported getting the impression that Armstrong felt some need to defend what he was about to tell the country. The world's most successful cyclist spent almost 25 minutes telling the nation that, as a top-level international athlete, one has to do certain things to remain competitive; that he has no regrets; and that, given the chance to live his life again, he would do everything again the same way.
Armstrong also repeatedly mentioned that he had beaten cancer.
"You have to understand—in the high-pressure world of competitive cycling, it's all about getting any advantage you can," Armstrong said. "And if we were being realistic, we'd have to admit that everyone in cycling was trying to get an advantage. So, in a way, if we were all trying to get the same advantage, then the playing field was still completely equal. So I was still the best. It makes sense when you look at it that way. And nothing I am about to tell you changes that. So, when I'm finished saying what I have to say, you all have to promise to still adore me."
"In fact, if you don't still adore me, and you suddenly get all huffy and say that I wasn't really a hero all these years, you are in the wrong here, not me," Armstrong added. "You. Not me."
Armstrong then stood, paced back and forth for a moment, shook his head, and returned to the microphone.
"You guys are not making this easy for me, that's for damn sure," he said. "This really shouldn't be hard. Because it's actually not even really that big of a deal. At all. Frankly, I don't even know why I'm here right now."
Armstrong reiterated for a fifth and sixth time that he had beaten cancer.
"Okay, here goes," Armstrong said. "Um, in the late '90s and early 2000s, I took, um... You see, in order to give myself a better chance of winning, I... Yes, there were instances during the Tour when..."
"You know what? I forgot what I was going to say," Armstrong added. "Sorry. I feel like an idiot. Have a nice afternoon."

[Celt_Man]

- from The Onion... (http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-wants-to-tell-nation-something-but,17973/)

Lance Armstrong Wants To Tell Nation Something But Nation Has To Promise Not To Get Mad

August 27, 2010 | ISSUE 46•34

01.29.09 DALLAS—Saying that it would probably be best if everyone sat down for this, seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong informed the U.S. populace Thursday that he wanted to tell it something, but that the nation first had to promise it wouldn't get angry once he did.
"Look, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. It's bad," Armstrong said during the nationally televised press conference. "But you have to swear to God that you won't get mad when I tell you, because if you get upset and yell about how you're really disappointed I'm just going to walk out of here."
"Okay?" Armstrong continued. "You guys promise?"
Armstrong then took a deep breath, massaged his forehead, murmured "Oh boy, here we go," and appeared for several moments to be on the verge of telling the nation his news. He seemed to lose his focus, however, commenting that it wasn't as if anything he was about to say would diminish the fact that he beat cancer or that his foundation has donated more than $250 million to cancer research.
In addition, Armstrong said the American people had to promise that, following his announcement, they would resist the urge to remove their Livestrong bracelets and throw them away or burn them.
"Okay, there's no easy way to put this, but, well, you guys know how I won a record seven consecutive Tours de France between 1999 and 2005?" said Armstrong, who took a sip of water as his hand visibly shook. "Well, this has to do with that. It also has to do with this impending federal investigation of my cycling team. What it absolutely does not have anything to do with is the fact that I am an inspiration to cancer sufferers worldwide—cancer sufferers who could potentially experience serious physical and emotional setbacks if you break your promise and get mad at me."
Throughout the preamble to his announcement, onlookers reported getting the impression that Armstrong felt some need to defend what he was about to tell the country. The world's most successful cyclist spent almost 25 minutes telling the nation that, as a top-level international athlete, one has to do certain things to remain competitive; that he has no regrets; and that, given the chance to live his life again, he would do everything again the same way.
Armstrong also repeatedly mentioned that he had beaten cancer.
"You have to understand—in the high-pressure world of competitive cycling, it's all about getting any advantage you can," Armstrong said. "And if we were being realistic, we'd have to admit that everyone in cycling was trying to get an advantage. So, in a way, if we were all trying to get the same advantage, then the playing field was still completely equal. So I was still the best. It makes sense when you look at it that way. And nothing I am about to tell you changes that. So, when I'm finished saying what I have to say, you all have to promise to still adore me."
"In fact, if you don't still adore me, and you suddenly get all huffy and say that I wasn't really a hero all these years, you are in the wrong here, not me," Armstrong added. "You. Not me."
Armstrong then stood, paced back and forth for a moment, shook his head, and returned to the microphone.
"You guys are not making this easy for me, that's for damn sure," he said. "This really shouldn't be hard. Because it's actually not even really that big of a deal. At all. Frankly, I don't even know why I'm here right now."
Armstrong reiterated for a fifth and sixth time that he had beaten cancer.
"Okay, here goes," Armstrong said. "Um, in the late '90s and early 2000s, I took, um… You see, in order to give myself a better chance of winning, I… Yes, there were instances during the Tour when…"
"You know what? I forgot what I was going to say," Armstrong added. "Sorry. I feel like an idiot. Have a nice afternoon."

Surely that's some joke....

[Capt Pat]

Lads Lance Armstrong is obviously a drug cheat and the fact that all the other top pros cheat simply means that Armstrong takes better drugs to help him win.

The fact that this sports cheat also promotes a cancer charity and was virtually worshipped by some people at one stage as an almost god like figure is even more sickening.

Right you are, the Birmingham six were  obviously guilty, the man might well have been dirty, he might well have been clean but until they produce a positive test on this guy he is innocent, end of.

No looke all the pro cyclists were taking the stuff and he beat them at the cheating. The charity stuff would make you sick, when you realise his true nature.