Sinn Fein vs Sieg Heil - Spot the Difference

[DennistheMenace]

Not all acts of killing are indeed 'murder'..

[pintsofguinness]

(Though "veteran" isn't the word I would use - "murderer" is)

Henry Allingham - WW1 veteran murderer?

Henry Allingham fought, alongside and against millions of other servicemen, in a declared war between the legitimate armed services of a number sovereign states (unless you think the First World Wat wasn't a war )

Joe Cahill and his gang gunned down a policeman and he was convicted of murder.

Says a hell of a lot about you that you try to draw a comparison between them.

Of course it's different MW.   

[pintsofguinness]

The word 'legitimate' is strange. "Here, Allingham, you are allowed to murder people. You, you and you can too. Hold on there a second, Paddy, you can't. Out you go".

Well unless paddy is murdering for the brits, then he's grand.

[red hander]

(Though "veteran" isn't the word I would use - "murderer" is)

Henry Allingham - WW1 veteran murderer?

Henry Allingham fought, alongside and against millions of other servicemen, in a declared war between the legitimate armed services of a number sovereign states (unless you think the First World Wat wasn't a war )

Joe Cahill and his gang gunned down a policeman and he was convicted of murder.

Says a hell of a lot about you that you try to draw a comparison between them.

'Declared war'?  And here's me thinking for years it was fall-out between inbred European toffs (including your beloved Saxe-Coburg Gothas) with the working class of the Continent used as soldierly cannon-fodder to settle the argument between these royal f**k-ups

[MW]

So neither of you can tell the difference between a declared war between the armed services of sovereign states, like the First World War, and committing murder. Says a lot for your addled outlooks.

As for hardstation's attempt to label Henry Allingham, one of the last remaining First World War veterans when he passed away last week, as a murderer - what a lowlife action. Plumbing new depths again, well done.

[MW]

(Though "veteran" isn't the word I would use - "murderer" is)

Henry Allingham - WW1 veteran murderer?

Henry Allingham fought, alongside and against millions of other servicemen, in a declared war between the legitimate armed services of a number sovereign states (unless you think the First World Wat wasn't a war )

Joe Cahill and his gang gunned down a policeman and he was convicted of murder.

Says a hell of a lot about you that you try to draw a comparison between them.

'Declared war'?  And here's me thinking for years it was fall-out between inbred European toffs (including your beloved Saxe-Coburg Gothas) with the working class of the Continent used as soldierly cannon-fodder to settle the argument between these royal f**k-ups

Yes, declared war, as in the governments of sovereign states declared war on each other, and sent their uniformed servicemen (or "soldierly cannon-fodder" if you prefer) out to fight.

[pintsofguinness]

So neither of you can tell the difference between a declared war between the armed services of sovereign states, like the First World War, and committing murder. Says a lot for your addled outlooks.

As for hardstation's attempt to label Henry Allingham, one of the last remaining First World War veterans when he passed away last week, as a murderer - what a lowlife action. Plumbing new depths again, well done.

But it's fine for you to call Joe Cahill a murderer, a lowlife action.  

[MW]

So neither of you can tell the difference between a declared war between the armed services of sovereign states, like the First World War, and committing murder. Says a lot for your addled outlooks.

As for hardstation's attempt to label Henry Allingham, one of the last remaining First World War veterans when he passed away last week, as a murderer - what a lowlife action. Plumbing new depths again, well done.

But it's fine for you to call Joe Cahill a murderer, a lowlife action.  

Joe Cahill was convicted of the murder of a policeman - he went out with an IRA murder gang to murder a police officer.

Pretty far removed from the uniformed servicemen of the First World War.

Joe Cahill was a murderer, that's simply a fact, and that's without even getting into his subsequent terrorist "career" leading the PIRA death squads.

[MW]

They really are the people.

Who are "they"?

And what do you mean by "the people"?

[MW]

When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.

What's that a quote from?

[DennistheMenace]

MW is correct I'm afraid.

[pintsofguinness]

So neither of you can tell the difference between a declared war between the armed services of sovereign states, like the First World War, and committing murder. Says a lot for your addled outlooks.

As for hardstation's attempt to label Henry Allingham, one of the last remaining First World War veterans when he passed away last week, as a murderer - what a lowlife action. Plumbing new depths again, well done.

But it's fine for you to call Joe Cahill a murderer, a lowlife action.  

Joe Cahill was convicted of the murder of a policeman - he went out with an IRA murder gang to murder a police officer.

Pretty far removed from the uniformed servicemen of the First World War.

Joe Cahill was a murderer, that's simply a fact, and that's without even getting into his subseqent terrorist "career" leading the PIRA death squads.

Convicted of "murder" by a government/judiciary who kept it's hold on Ireland, a country it has no right to be near, by murdering.  Where the poles, french etc who fought back against Nazi Germany after their country was invaded murderers too?

The fact that you say he was a murderer doesnt make it so, no matter how many times you can squeeze in the word.

[MW]

So neither of you can tell the difference between a declared war between the armed services of sovereign states, like the First World War, and committing murder. Says a lot for your addled outlooks.

As for hardstation's attempt to label Henry Allingham, one of the last remaining First World War veterans when he passed away last week, as a murderer - what a lowlife action. Plumbing new depths again, well done.

But it's fine for you to call Joe Cahill a murderer, a lowlife action.  

Joe Cahill was convicted of the murder of a policeman - he went out with an IRA murder gang to murder a police officer.

Pretty far removed from the uniformed servicemen of the First World War.

Joe Cahill was a murderer, that's simply a fact, and that's without even getting into his subseqent terrorist "career" leading the PIRA death squads.

Convicted of "murder" by a government/judiciary who kept it's hold on Ireland, a country it has no right to be near, by murdering.  

The government and judiciary were from Ireland. And Constable Murphy, Cahill's victim, was Irish, too.

Where the poles, french etc who fought back against Nazi Germany after their country was invaded murderers too?

No, they weren't. They were fighting in the Second World War. You remember the whole "World War" thing, covered above?

[The fact that you say he was a murderer doesnt make it so, no matter how many times you can squeeze in the word.

Correct. The fact he participated in the murder of a policeman, and was convicted of this crime, makes it so.

And he is recognised as such under the law of this country today (the law of which is itself recognised by among others, the Irish Government, the EU, the United Nations and for that matter your erstwhile ideological allies in Sinn Féin)

Do yourself a favour, you and hardstation both - if you want to try to defend Cahill, feel free. But it doesn't do your case much good to try to besmirch and slur a recently-deceased First World War veteran.

[pintsofguinness]

The government and judiciary were from Ireland.

The government and judiciary were anything but irish.

Why would it be ok for a french man to pick up a gun to defend his country from a foreign occupier but it's not ok for Joe Cahill to do the same?

[Main Street]

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that, at sometime in his life, Joe Cahill was on on the prowl to kill a policeman.
I hope he didn't waste his bullets.

Joe was beacon of rebel light amidst an apartheid like statelet.