Cork v Tipperary

[zoyler]

1)  Is it too late for Cork to go to the Labour Court?

2)  The spill on to the pitch seems to have been caused by all terrace tickets being the same colour and too many fans going to the wrong end.  Could have had fatal consequences and somebodys head should roll - much more serious then players strikes etc.

[orangeman]

That must be the end of the road for this Cork team.

Fair play to Tipp. I saw a picture of Eoin Kelly on the RTE website
and it reminded me of something Babs said last year about the Tipperary jersey and how important it is, not for any year in particular but as an institution. 

The housing market may be banjaxed but there will always be Tipp Cork matches.  It is hard to believe it was so long since the previous Tipp win in Cork. 

Cork bet and plenty of time yet to save the hay.

It is a pity Babs is out of management -  I love his soundbites. 

Classic first post !!!!! 

[thejuice]

Havent got to see the game but cant wait to see the highlights. Well done to the Premier. Nice to see a change in power in Munster,

[orangeman]

Havent got to see the game but cant wait to see the highlights. Well done to the Premier. Nice to see a change in power in Munster,

Talk of Cork's demise might be a bit premature ! 

[nobackdoor]

Talk of Cork's demise might be a bit premature ! 
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I don't think so. The Rock looks past it, the half back line is still very solid, although Gardiners point taking wasn't as sharp as it has been in the past. Midfield still has alot to offer, but the new forwards introduced do not appear to be at the requisite level for chamionship fare. Naughton was superb, but that's as far as it goes. Personally, I don't think Cork have the players to mount a serious challenge this year. Kilkenny would murder them on todays performace. The Cork forwards got plenty of the ball, which they won't get against Kilkenny. Still depending on the same old players and remind me a bit of the Deise, their old foes, men on borrowed time. The debutante Cork corner back, Shane O'Neill did very well.

Corks tactics backfired, over elaboration of the hand passing and aimless long balls into Pa Cronin, who seemed to spend most of the game bumping into Teddy Mac, I thought their white helmets held some sort of polar magnetism.

Much to do down lee-side way.

Fair play to Tipp, young hugry side with plenty of room for improvement. Onwards and upwards for these guys.

[dodo]

Cork had a period of dominance in the second half where they should of put on 2-5 or more to the scoreboard. They had Tipp on the rack. Fair play to the Tipp lads in the last 10 minutes, they took all their chances. Still thought that Cork should of taken their chances and won.

[orangeman]

Cork were 7/8 points up after 25 minutes and seemed to lie down after it - I agree that the Rock is on the wane and needs replaced ( although he has given great service to Cork ) - Cork aren't finished and had enough possession to win the game yesterday but failed to convert.

[thejuice]

Havent got to see the game but cant wait to see the highlights. Well done to the Premier. Nice to see a change in power in Munster,

Talk of Cork's demise might be a bit premature ! 

Well Waterford and now Cork are out of the running this year means there'll be a new Munster champion.

[mouview]

That must be the end of the road for this Cork team.

Fair play to Tipp. I saw a picture of Eoin Kelly on the RTE website
and it reminded me of something Babs said last year about the Tipperary jersey and how important it is, not for any year in particular but as an institution. 

The housing market may be banjaxed but there will always be Tipp Cork matches.  It is hard to believe it was so long since the previous Tipp win in Cork. 

Cork bet and plenty of time yet to save the hay.

It is a pity Babs is out of management -  I love his soundbites. 

Long time no hear seaf... how's it goin? 

An improving Tipp took a long time to put away a bad Cork one who spent a lot of time running with the ball - love to see Kevin Cashman's face at those tactics, given his 'jennet express' comments of years gone by!

[Minder]

You would think Cork will still be about at the end of the year but when OHailpin, Gardiner were interviewed after the game im not sure they had the stomach for the qualifiers. They had enough chances to win two games but the forwards were terrible bar Naughton who didnt play as an orthodox forward. Five of the starting six got the hook and Mc Carthy came on and went off.Yesterday was a template for other tems on how to play O Sullivan, low accurate ball into Corbett, he isnt mobile enough for a sharp, mobile FF.

[orangeman]

Where's the Munster final at this year lads and who's going to contest it ? What date is it fixed for ?

[johnneycool]

You would think Cork will still be about at the end of the year but when OHailpin, Gardiner were interviewed after the game im not sure they had the stomach for the qualifiers. They had enough chances to win two games but the forwards were terrible bar Naughton who didnt play as an orthodox forward. Five of the starting six got the hook and Mc Carthy came on and went off.Yesterday was a template for other tems on how to play O Sullivan, low accurate ball into Corbett, he isnt mobile enough for a sharp, mobile FF.

cork aren't an overly old team, i'd of thought. The twins must be 27-29, Tom Kenny, Curran, O'Hailpin, Nial McCarthy ditto. Gardiner isn't that old either, but maybe the miles on the clock are taking their toll. In all fairness they had Tipp on the rack in the first half until Tipp sent the corner back out to follow Naughton and a superb strike by Eoin Kelly to bring Tipp back within striking distance. Their forwards do seem to take a lot of space to get their striking in barring young Paudie O'Sullivan who showed glimpses that he's a handy enough tool.

If they can get the fitness and scoring boots on via the qualifiers then they'll pose problems for most later on in the year.

[homeofhurling8]

A few quick observations.

To beat Cork by six points on their own patch without playing particularly well is no mean feat,this team can play significantly better than we did yesterday.

The game was won and lost on the sideline,Cork were slow to make the necessary changes in attack and when they finally did they ended up bringing off Timmy Mac who had Corcoran in all sorts of trouble,and giving Joe Deane 5 minutes,bizarre! Sheedy and co were also very slow to deal with the Naughton situation but the introduction of Kerwick and Webster worked well,Benny less so.

Kelly took eight steps for his goal which was the turning point but what a finish !

I cant see us winning an All-Ireland with Corcoran and Shane Maher as the wing backs,one of them maybe but not both,Corcoran was obviously not at full fitness but his looseness will cost us yet,Maher needs a lot of room to strike and doesn't have the ability to make that room for himself,having said that he is teak tough and good under the dropping ball so its not all bad news,Tom Stapelton or even Fanning could well be the answer with Corcoran moving to centrefield.

Shane McGrath is a hardy bit of stuff,he needs a partner,Woodlock aint the answer,he is too poor a decision maker and an average/poor striker of the ball.Hugh Moloney should partner McGrath in the Munster final.

Ryan O'Dwyer is too limited for this level of hurling,Festy Kerwick will start on the 13th July alongside Callinan and Butler.

I wouldn't swap Paul Curran for any other full back in the country,having an all star as back up aint half bad either.

Conor O'Brien had a fine debut as did Callinan who will wear the number 11 for many years to come,his ball to Kelly for the goal was a thing of beauty.

Lar is becoming as important to us as the boy wonder,with the right ball there are goals in that duo,we will have to say a few rosaries for Lars hamstrings between now and July

Fair play to Webster,he is as game as the day is long,he offers us a different option,Loughmores run last year was the making of him.

Babs was right ,Eoin Kelly is a stone and a half lighter this year than last,Cummins has learned to vary his puckouts.

Lots done,lots to do.

[homeofhurling8]

Oops,forgot to mention O'Mahoney who had a stormer and Cathal Dillon looked a good prospect in the intermediate game,

[imtommygunn]

While I was impressed by Tipp I felt Cork threw this one away.

I'd agree with some of what HOH said. I felt one of the Tipp boys - I think it's the no. 7 you refer to - was far too one sided. The FB,CHB and no 4 were good though but I feel they will have to work on their handling as they did drop a few balls.  I felt that Eoin Kelly fumbled a lot of balls too.The FF line that started can be superb with the right ball in. They got far too much high ball in though but Webster looks a man who could be a very useful asset for them in that regard. The no. 11 was good for Tipp as well - Curran didn't feature too much and the Kerwick guy who came on didn't let Gardiner away with what the first boy did so this influenced the game greatly. Lar Corbett has always threatened massive games - that's the biggest c'ship one I've seen him have.

Cork can and will improve I feel. There's a lot of talk of the demise of the Rock here but I think he was carrying an injury and to be fair that's been threatening to happen him for years too. He'll be back. Forward line needs serious sorting out too. I don't think Cronin despite his height is a FF but can be accomodated in the HF line. They seem to not have replaced BC or Joe Deane for that matter though whether he needs to be replaced remains to be seen. If they reshape the forward line then I don't think many teams - Kilkenny maybe Galway(and obviously Tipp) aside - could beat them. I hope this game brings Tipp on though and they can challenge KK. I think they're a bit short yet but maybe match practise in the summer time will bring them on a lot.