Cattle cull

[reddgnhand]

What would a risk assessment say about the possibility of a stray bullet injuring someone (or worse) in a public space with people watching on?

No idea do you have evidence of stray bullets?

Common sense would say that it was a fair possibility, no?

If the team is highly trained in firearms???

Yeah stray bullets have never injured anyone ever, you're right.

Did I say that? We are discussing this incident. Do you know if there were any reports of stray bullets?

Shooting running cattle from presumably a distance if they were that wild no one could get near them to round them up? Not saying it was likely but certainly a possibility.

The point about stray bullets is wouldn't that be in a risk assessment. That's dozens of shots fired - surely a major consideration?

I've no evidence of stray bullets by the way, but if several calves were injured, does that suggest every shot was pinpoint?

I'd assume so. I'm no expert but this is talked about in the video. The vets talked at length about the training the team has had and their experience in carrying out these actions.The injured calf on social media was also discussed. The private vet and the Daera vet could not confirm if the injury was caused by a gunshot.Watch the video I found it very interesting.

[Sportacus]

What would a risk assessment say about the possibility of a stray bullet injuring someone (or worse) in a public space with people watching on?

No idea do you have evidence of stray bullets?

Common sense would say that it was a fair possibility, no?

If the team is highly trained in firearms???

Yeah stray bullets have never injured anyone ever, you're right.

Did I say that? We are discussing this incident. Do you know if there were any reports of stray bullets?

Shooting running cattle from presumably a distance if they were that wild no one could get near them to round them up? Not saying it was likely but certainly a possibility.

The point about stray bullets is wouldn't that be in a risk assessment. That's dozens of shots fired - surely a major consideration?

I've no evidence of stray bullets by the way, but if several calves were injured, does that suggest every shot was pinpoint?

I'd assume so. I'm no expert but this is talked about in the video. The vets talked at length about the training the team has had and their experience in carrying out these actions.The injured calf on social media was also discussed. The private vet and the Daera vet could not confirm if the injury was caused by a gunshot.Watch the video I found it very interesting.

If you ask me which is the greater risk, I'd say the firearms option every time.  That's the long and the short of it.  Just my opinion.

[Tony Baloney]

In an unsurprising turn of events farmers are more vexed about the killing of cattle destined for the slab anyway than they are about their ongoing poisoning of Lough Neagh.

This cattle shite is a storm in a teacup being stirred by the DUP and their bought and paid for mates in the various farmers unions.

[DaleCooper]

In an unsurprising turn of events farmers are more vexed about the killing of cattle destined for the slab anyway than they are about their ongoing poisoning of Lough Neagh.

This cattle shite is a storm in a teacup being stirred by the DUP and their bought and paid for mates in the various farmers unions.

Yup. Many need gone through for a shortcut. Land seized etc

[reddgnhand]

What would a risk assessment say about the possibility of a stray bullet injuring someone (or worse) in a public space with people watching on?

No idea do you have evidence of stray bullets?

Common sense would say that it was a fair possibility, no?

If the team is highly trained in firearms???

Yeah stray bullets have never injured anyone ever, you're right.

Did I say that? We are discussing this incident. Do you know if there were any reports of stray bullets?

Lad you're more interested in making inane rhetorical questions than actually debating the issue so I've no interest in engaging with you. If you can't see that DAERA really made a balls of this operation then fine but anyone with a cent of knowledge about working with livestock or farming knows that DAERA are talking shite. They'd plenty of better options than a Wild West shootout over the Fermanagh hills but they went with it because it was easy for the DAERA official's to fob the work off onto some hired guns. I don't think anyone but the world's greatest moron would accept the argument that what DAERA did here was the sensible course of action to pursue.

Here's a young lad nearly killed a few years ago with a stray bullet. Also there was a calf shot in the neck (hes alive still) at this shooting so there certainly was stray bullets.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/fermanagh-boy-struck-by-bullet-leaves-hospital-1.457244

Good night.

[Armagh18]

In an unsurprising turn of events farmers are more vexed about the killing of cattle destined for the slab anyway than they are about their ongoing poisoning of Lough Neagh.

This cattle shite is a storm in a teacup being stirred by the DUP and their bought and paid for mates in the various farmers unions.

Yep thats a very good point.

[reddgnhand]

In an unsurprising turn of events farmers are more vexed about the killing of cattle destined for the slab anyway than they are about their ongoing poisoning of Lough Neagh.

This cattle shite is a storm in a teacup being stirred by the DUP and their bought and paid for mates in the various farmers unions.

They wouldn't have got as far as the slab. More than likely starved to death. What was it 33 animal corpses found on this farmers land? Carla with clenched fist says farmers care deeply about the welfare of their animals whilst individuals with convictions and bans from keeping livestock standing in front of her.

[Tony Baloney]

In an unsurprising turn of events farmers are more vexed about the killing of cattle destined for the slab anyway than they are about their ongoing poisoning of Lough Neagh.

This cattle shite is a storm in a teacup being stirred by the DUP and their bought and paid for mates in the various farmers unions.

They wouldn't have got as far as the slab. More than likely starved to death. What was it 33 animal corpses found on this farmers land? Carla with clenched fist says farmers care deeply about the welfare of their animals whilst individuals with convictions and bans from keeping livestock standing in front of her.

She stood with worse in Scarva so it probably felt like a step up. My brother in law the silly **** was up in Stormont and when I asked him about it he trotted out a load of shite that was fed to him. By the sounds of it these were award winning cattle fed tea and biscuits and buyers were lining up.

[reddgnhand]

Reddgnhand are you of the opinion that civil servants in Derea can't make mistakes and should just believed in what they say?

Not at all everyone makes mistakes. I don't like the idea that people can be threatened and vilified for doing their jobs. I can only form an opinion based on what's factually in front of me not rumour and hearsay.

[DaleCooper]

Good reminder of the power of unions!

[Wildweasel74]

This oufit landed with snipers to shoot the cattle, that was there intention from day 1. If u think its hard to round up cattle, how do you think they got to markets.Vet doing a risk assessment? Some bollacks landing with no intention of rounding up cattle. U say a vet in a better position to make the call compared to a experienced farmer? Certain cattle are hard to deal with, especially with calfs, but they can be rounded up if that the intention. Too many commenting here, with zero experience around cattle. And now u trying to make a situation we all should be outraged at,  political,

[GTP]

If anyone thinks DAERA choose culling the cows as the easy option then they should compare the reaction to it to the complete non event rounding them up and taking the cows away would have been. From a reputational and paperwork point of view culling would always be the worst choice and likely more expensive.
Any marksman would have been present as part of the risk assessment. They wouldn't be much use if at home and something went wrong. It may be a balls up but the primary cause was a farmer incapable of looking after his animals.

[Armagh18]

If anyone thinks DAERA choose culling the cows as the easy option then they should compare the reaction to it to the complete non event rounding them up and taking the cows away would have been. From a reputational and paperwork point of view culling would always be the worst choice and likely more expensive.
Any marksman would have been present as part of the risk assessment. They wouldn't be much use if at home and something went wrong. It may be a balls up but the primary cause was a farmer incapable of looking after his animals.

? You think they did this expecting a backlash but thought "it's the right thing to do, we'll bear all the stick we get"

Or were they expecting it to be a routine culling job and were too lazy/stupid/incompetent or combination of all to gather the cattle up and take them to a mart?

[reddgnhand]

This oufit landed with snipers to shoot the cattle, that was there intention from day 1. If u think its hard to round up cattle, how do you think they got to markets.Vet doing a risk assessment? Some bollacks landing with no intention of rounding up cattle. U say a vet in a better position to make the call compared to a experienced farmer? Certain cattle are hard to deal with, especially with calfs, but they can be rounded up if that the intention. Too many commenting here, with zero experience around cattle. And now u trying to make a situation we all should be outraged at,  political,

Are you speaking in general or about this incident?

[reddgnhand]

If anyone thinks DAERA choose culling the cows as the easy option then they should compare the reaction to it to the complete non event rounding them up and taking the cows away would have been. From a reputational and paperwork point of view culling would always be the worst choice and likely more expensive.
Any marksman would have been present as part of the risk assessment. They wouldn't be much use if at home and something went wrong. It may be a balls up but the primary cause was a farmer incapable of looking after his animals.

? You think they did this expecting a backlash but thought "it's the right thing to do, we'll bear all the stick we get"

Or were they expecting it to be a routine culling job and were too lazy/stupid/incompetent or combination of all to gather the cattle up and take them to a mart?

What mart could they be taken to?